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Iwata vs Harder & Steenbeck; Choices, choices......
Topic Started: Mar 31 2010, 10:59 PM (13,065 Views)
Phreak
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Right then, I'm getting the urge to snaffle a new airbrush and I've narrowed it down to one of these:

Harder & Steenbeck Evolution 2:1
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Iwata HP-C

I'm darned if I can make my mind up which way to go as you hear and read good things about both. :shrug:

Any pointers or opinions are welcomed from the well informed please?

TIA
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phantomdriver
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H/S dead easy to clean, more so than an Iwata

no loose bits to fall out- ask Paul....at Littlecars- bought one last year

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Phreak
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phantomdriver
Mar 31 2010, 11:08 PM
H/S dead easy to clean, more so than an Iwata

no loose bits to fall out- ask Paul....at Littlecars- bought one last year

Cheers Ed, definately a benefit for us lazy gits.
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phantomdriver
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well worth the investment,as 2 needle sizes in 1 box
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cop
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I have the H&S and I'm very happy with it. I did a review on it over on BM. All I have to do now is learn to use it!!
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MikeC
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Hi Rich,

I use an Iwata HP-CS, wouldn't change it. Clean-up consists of blasting some water through between colours (I use acrylics exclusively), then about 10 minutes max at the end of the session for a quick tip-off-needle-out strip and clean. The level of control I can achieve never ceases to amaze me. It fits my hand nicely, which of course it won't do for everyone.

So I'd recommend the HP-CS; having never used a H&S I can't say for sure the latter's not better, but I'm in no hurry to find out.

HTH,
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Gary West
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Another vote for Iwata here as I just bought one.

I'd say you're gonna be satisfied which ever one you plump for, so I'd go for affordability and spend what's ever left over on Beer!! :beer:
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desmojen
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You already know what I think!

I have never actually used an H&S, but I think they feel cheap and nasty in comparison to Iwata :shrug:

Jen.
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heraldcoupe
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I bought an H&S Infinity 2 in 1 last year, no regrets at all. I looked at the Iwatas, but didn't like the inflexibility on paint cups. The easy stripdown of the H&S also swayed my choice,

Cheers,
Bill.
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Karl Robinson
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I've used both, and have to say that I prefer Iwata's.

The H&S 2 in 1 is good, and is a quality brush, but the Iwata range just pips it for comfort and control in my opinion.

As regard to the breakdown, there isn't that much needed on an Iwata additional to the H&S. As it's a fairly rare occurance that you should need to do a full breakdown, that shouldn't be too much of an issue (if you are using it properly anyway!)

I've never ever quite understood the need for different sized cups either? :shrug: If you need a smaller cup, it just means you are using less paint, and it doesn't fill it up so high. As long as you've got a cup big enough for the largest of jobs you will do, then that's the only worry I see!

I have two different Iwata's now, a Hi-line HP-C+, and a Revolution CR. The Revolution is such a versatile airbrush, and lovely to handle, that I'd recommend it to anyone, experienced or otherwise.

The main thing to remember is that the airbrush needs to be what YOU feel comfortable with, and not what someone tells you. My advise would be to try and test these out somewhere before you buy them. The natural feel and control for you is critical to getting any decent results with it, much like any other tool.

Karl.
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Gary West
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Rich - I should have said before, but prior to my recent decision to plump for the Iwata, I jumped on to a few forums, and had the same response that you're getting here 50/50.

After I started to lean towards the Iwata, I went on to You tube, and watched several short films about using and cleaning it - same for the H&S models - might be worth an hour of your time this evening.
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Phreak
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Gary West
Apr 1 2010, 09:30 AM
Rich - I should have said before, but prior to my recent decision to plump for the Iwata, I jumped on to a few forums, and had the same response that you're getting here 50/50.

After I started to lean towards the Iwata, I went on to You tube, and watched several short films about using and cleaning it - same for the H&S models - might be worth an hour of your time this evening.

Good advice Gary...I'll do that later on.

Cheers
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Drewe
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Can't say I've ever had a problem with stripping either of my Iwatas down for cleaning - it's the work of twenty seconds to be honest. I do so sometimes wonder if people strip their brushes too readily? Certainly for me I have been using at various times three different badgers, one Grex and two Iwatas, and none of them have been significantly different from any of the others once you remove the single/double action fact when it came to stripping. Apart from pulling the needles out to clean them occasionally (certainly not at the ned of EVERY session) it's incredibly rare that I do a full strip of any of my brushes.

I think it's kind of like the difference between field stripping a gun for cleaning and an armourer's strip! As a user a field strip should be more than sufficient for 95% of the time. If your airbrush needs an armourers strip spend some time with the instructions first . . or find an armourer! People may be simply overcomplicating their routines thinking it's necessary when it isn't. Honestly guys, precision tools they may be, but that's all they are. . tools. I'm sure most would be horrified at the way my brushes get treated day to day. But the results justify the means I think.

So, ease of stripping shouldn't be a decider. . both seem easy to strip in seconds for the cleaning necessary (the H&S from what I hear tell, the Iwata I can comment on positively). WHich really leaves usage. . so try 'em, see what you prefer. I'm in Iwata/Badger man. My Badgers are in semi retirement (all three of them!) and my two Iwata's rule the roost. My obsession with pointy paint squirty things means that at some point I will almost inevitably own an H&S as well, just for the joy of owning another brush!

I honestly think the "stripping for cleaning" argument is a false lead when it comes to choosing. Both are very simple. Choose on performance for your needs and comfort in use, nothing else. And then buy an Iwata! ;)

Besides, for stripping and cleaning to be an issue it requires that you use it Rich, which by extension means you have to build something. . . nahh, can't see it! :D
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Mike R
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I own both! I have an Iwata HP-C and an Infinity 2n1 and love them both for differnet reasons. I will diasgree with Jen where she says the H&S feels cheap and nasty. In my opinion it is a far more comfortable airbrush to operate. If anything I find the Iwata to be more finicky to operate and get a good paint flow from.

That being said, both airbrushes are near the top of the food chain these days. You will always find Iwata users defending their brand, Badger users defending theirs, H&S defending theres, Paasche defending theirs etc etc etc....

The BEST way to figure out which brush is better for YOU is to go to a trade show such as Telford and try them all! Learn about the products, what they offer, what has shortcomings, whose is a better value along with, what you want to get out of the brush.

When you ask an open ended question like this, you will never, ever get a definitive answer. Some people like Kinetic F-16s more than Tamiyas for example. Horses for courses.

Best piece of advice I can give is reaserch and try. You may find that neither brush is what you want and you decide that the Grex brand suits your needs better. Every brush has its own "feel", its own strengths and weaknesses, different needle sizes, ways of cleaning, parts availability etc.

One thing is certain though regardless of any brush you buy. You will get frustrated with it at some point. It will not work the way you want to at some point and you will question your decision to go with that airbrush and not another one at some point. It is part of this hobby of ours I am afraid. Modelers are never satisfied! LOL

Good luck with your search and try not to listen to "fans" of any brand sway you. Find what works for you and learn how to get the most from it.

Cheers

Mike
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Phreak
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Good advice, thanks Mike and Drewe.
I'm now looking at it from a slightly different perspective and need a chat with the guru fom Ickle cars!

Thanks for all of your inputs...much appreciated.
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Phreak
Apr 1 2010, 07:12 PM
need a chat with the guru fom Ickle cars!


He'll sell you a Grex! :lol:

I've got an Iwata that I like a lot, but Phil was doing an H & S demo at the Avon show last year and I must say they looked impressive to me.

peebeep
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Drewe
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Just for you Rich, Drewetube returns for one night only! (or does it?)

Edited by Drewe, Nov 15 2012, 04:23 PM.
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Phreak
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Drewe
Apr 1 2010, 09:05 PM
Just for you Rich, Drewetube returns for one night only! (or does it?)

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84vQsNaXqxM[/YOUTUBE]

Top job Drewe, thanks very much mate...that's a coffee I owe you (at least).
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MemberOne
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Bleeding brilliant :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
Mind you we could start up an official Drewetube forum :wooo:
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Phreak
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seanrgb
Apr 1 2010, 10:17 PM
Bleeding brilliant :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
Mind you we could start up an official Drewetube forum :wooo:

I have to agree with that Sean, that needs to be put somewhere for all to see as it really does show how easy it is to clean up an airbrush.

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