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North Korea Pulling Out Of Nuke Talk; TENSIONS RISES
Topic Started: Feb 13 2005, 01:03 AM (341 Views)
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;) hey check this article out north korea has said they are pulling out from peace talks read this Thursday that North Korea will quit six-party nuclear disarmament talks and will "bolster its nuclear weapons arsenal."

U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said North Korea is risking further world isolation "because everyone in the international community, and most especially North Korea's neighbors, have been very clear that there needs to be no nuclear weapons on the Korean Peninsula in order to maintain stability in that region." (Full story)

The report was North Korea's first public admission that it possessed nuclear weapons.

Pyongyang previously has asserted its ability and right to produce them. In April 2003, U.S. officials said that North Koreans claimed in private meetings they had at least one nuclear bomb.

The United States has opposed North Korea's demands that it hold one-to-one nuclear talks, saying a multilateral diplomatic approach is required.

Some observers in Washington say Pyongyang may be posturing for a more preferable negotiating position in light of recent developments regarding the suspected nuclear program in Iran. (Full story)

China, North Korea's ally in the talks, said through a Foreign Ministry spokesman that it hopes six-party talks will continue, according to China's state-run Xinhua news agency. "China was watching the situation," said spokesman Kong Quan, who added that China persistently stands for the denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula and the maintenance of peace and stability there. "We hope the talks can be continue," Kong said

Russia's Foreign Ministry said it regrets North Korea's decision. In a statement on the ministry's Web site, spokesman Alexander Yakovenko said Moscow is "carefully studying" the announcement and added, "For us it can only cause regret ... to our mind, this attitude contradicts Pyongyang's declared striving for denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula.

"Despite the firmness of the statement by the North Korean Foreign Ministry," Yakovenko said, "Russia still hopes for the soonest possible resumption of the six-nation negotiations and compromises in settling problems with due consideration of the interests of all sides."

U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan said North Korea could be brought back to the negotiating table. British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw agreed, saying, "It would be a major mistake by [North Korea] were they to go down this route."

'Magnanimity and patience'
In the statement reported by North Korea's state news agency, KCNA, the North Korean Foreign Ministry said: "We have shown utmost magnanimity and patience for the past four years since the first Bush administration swore in.

"We cannot spend another four years as we did in the past four years, and there is no need for us to repeat what we did in those years."

U.S. diplomats have said that North Korea has used similar language when stepping aside from anti-nuclear proliferation talks in the past, although it is the first time that Pyongyang has been so explicit about its development of nuclear weapons.

The Foreign Ministry statement said North Korea's "stand to solve the issue through dialogue and negotiations and its ultimate goal to denuclearize the Korean Peninsula remain unchanged."

Since 2003, the United States, the two Koreas, China, Japan and Russia have held three rounds of talks aimed at persuading the North to abandon its nuclear weapons development in return for economic and diplomatic rewards.

But no significant progress was reported in those talks, all hosted by China.

A fourth round of talks in September did not take place when North Korea refused to attend, citing what it called a "hostile" U.S. policy.

Thursday's statement from the North Korean Foreign Ministry said nuclear weapons are "for self-defense to cope with the Bush administration's evermore undisguised policy to isolate and stifle" its government.

The communist state said it felt "compelled to suspend" participation in the six-nation talks "for an indefinite period."

"We have wanted the six-party talks but we are compelled to suspend our participation in the talks for an indefinite period till we have recognized that there is justification for us to attend the talks and there are ample conditions and atmosphere to expect positive results from the talks," the Foreign Ministry said.

"The U.S. disclosed its attempt to topple the political system in the DPRK [Democratic People's Republic of Korea] at any cost, threatening it with a nuclear stick. This compels us to take a measure to bolster its nuclear weapons arsenal in order to protect the ideology, system, freedom and democracy chosen by the people in the DPRK."

Bush tones down 'axis of evil' rhetoric
In his inaugural address last month, President Bush did not mention North Korea by name. But he said U.S. efforts have lit "a fire in the minds of men."

"It warms those who feel its power, it burns those who fight its progress and one day this untamed fire of freedom will reach the darkest corners of our world," he said.

In his February 2 State of the Union address, Bush only briefly mentioned North Korea, saying Washington was "working closely with governments in Asia to convince North Korea to abandon its nuclear ambitions."

Bush's tone was in stark contrast to his speech three years ago when he branded North Korea part of an "axis of evil" that included Iran and Iraq. This year's address raised hopes for a positive response from North Korea.

Earlier this month, Bush and South Korean President Roh Moo-hyun agreed to push for an early resumption of the six-nation talks.

But Pyongyang said Bush's call for the spread of freedom in his inaugural speech was a diabolical scheme to turn the world into "a sea of war flames."

"In his inauguration speech, Bush trumpeted that 'fire of freedom will reach dark corners of the world.' This is nothing but a plot to engulf the whole world in a sea of war flames and rule it by imposing a freedom based on power," North Korea's state-run Pyongyang Radio said this month.

CNN's Sohn Jie-Ae and Suzanne Malveaux contributed to this report.

please don't turn this in a bush bashing thread I mean it punishments will follow if you bash him
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I would not mean to take anyone's side but if someone ask N.Korea to surreneder their weapons there could be a conflict like in Iraque, or even worse a nuclear war. What is to stop Russia to pull out their nukes latter?
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korea is said to have the 4th largest army in the world so im sure they could hold their own against iraq, id say its just because its cost the country so much money to build them, and it makes them one of the more powerful countries in the world.
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N korea might fire at S. korea which he might not think it blow them up to.

so if they fire at US they got 5 we got thousands we put korea in the pacific.


we don't need a nuclear war no one will win.
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N korea might fire at S. korea which he might not think it blow them up to.

so if they fire at US they got 5 we got thousands we put korea in the pacific.


we don't need a nuclear war no one will win.

Yeah but try to expalin that to politicians.
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Bleh, dam N. Korea. Always making trouble. :angry:
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Feb 15 2005, 09:46 PM
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N korea might fire at S. korea which he might not think it blow them up to.

so if they fire at US they got 5 we got thousands we put korea in the pacific.


we don't need a nuclear war no one will win.

Yeah but try to expalin that to politicians.

;) politicans only want to see how powerful nuclear is and how strong are the armies.


meaning politicans lie when they open their mouth.


north korea is a fly on the wall with US.
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Well, not totally. If we use nukes, other countries might feel threatened, and like they need to use theirs. Not that they would, but it's possible.
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true but they would have to sneak it into our country, and after 9/11 they want allow you to bring a toenail clipper to an airport. so it be impossible we got enough nukes to destroy the world 3 times.
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Hey pun, don't be stupid with that "allmighty America" attitude, America thought that Vietnam will be a piece of cake, and we all know what happened there.

Lesson 1:

Never underestimate your enemy (especialy the one with nukes)

Anyway does it make you proud to say:"we got enough nukes to destroy the world 3 times." what, that gives you the power to control the world? My uncle, and my little brother were killed in NATO air attacks on Serbia, should I come and put like 10 kilos of TNT on my back and blow up something in US, NO!!!

Lesson 2:

The only true victims of any war are civilians (The innocent ones)
So all that "weapon race" can bring only trouble.

MY POINT:

Noone should be proud because his/her country posses the power to "destory the world", true patriot of any country should be proud because of science achivements, Sports, Art, ETC not weapons.

The North Korea did just the right thing by pulling those nukes out, it's better know the truth about their existence. Noone can deny to any country the right to defend itself. No offence but US government seems to want to keep that right of the "biggest force on earth" so they don't want to allow anyone to posses more weapons than them.
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Anyway does it make you proud to say:"we got enough nukes to destroy the world 3 times." what, that gives you the power to control the world? My uncle, and my little brother were killed in NATO air attacks on Serbia, should I come and put like 10 kilos of TNT on my back and blow up something in US, NO!!!

Lesson 2:

The only true victims of any war are civilians (The innocent ones)
So all that "weapon race" can bring only trouble.

MY POINT:

Noone should be proud because his/her country posses the power to "destory the world", true patriot of any country should be proud because of science achivements, Sports, Art, ETC not weapons.


:unsure: sorry to hear about your uncle I did not know


I am not proud of our country with it nuclear program.

bush has ordered some to be self-destruct on a safe like manner.


was serbia occupid by the NAZI when germany invaded europe.


did not mean to offend you marko
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North Korea did their first nuclear test and says there will be more.


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North Korea conducted an underground nuclear test on Monday, flying in the face of a warning from the
U.N. Security Council and opening its crippled economy to the risk of fresh sanctions.

South Korea's military ordered the army to step up a state of alert after Pyongyang announced its first-ever nuclear test, which brought unusual criticism from fellow communist China.

Pyongyang's move, which came about 30 minutes before Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe landed in Seoul for a visit, could heighten regional tension and could deal a fresh foreign policy blow to
President Bush ahead of mid-term polls.

The White House branded the act "provocative" and said it expected the U.N. Security Council to take immediate actions.

North Korea's announcement pushed the dollar to an eight-month high against the yen and helped shove oil above $60 a barrel. In Seoul, the won fell 1.5 percent to two-month lows and the main stock index tumbled as much as 3.6 percent.

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U.S. Geological Survey said it had detected a 4.2 magnitude tremor in North Korea at 10:35 local time (0135 GMT).

In a report from Moscow, Japanese broadcaster NHK quoted a Russian Defense Ministry official as saying it was "100 percent sure" that North Korea carried out a test at around that time.

Pyongyang's official Korean Central News Agency (KCNA) said there was no leak or danger from its test, which measurements by the Japan Meteorological Agency showed took place around Gilju, on the country's northeast coast and around 110 km (70 miles) from the Chinese border.

"The nuclear test was conducted with indigenous wisdom and technology 100 percent," KCNA said.

"It marks a historic event as it greatly encouraged and pleased the KPA (Korean People's Army) and people that have wished to have powerful self-reliant defense capability."

Analysts say North Korea probably has enough fissile material to make six to eight nuclear bombs but probably lacks the technology to devise one small enough to mount on a missile.

Pyongyang did not indicate if there would be further tests. India and Pakistan, the last countries to conduct tests in 1998, carried out several each.

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Gary Gibson of Australia's Seismology Research Center estimated the blast at about one kiloton. That was dwarfed by India's biggest -- around 45 kilotons -- and the 10-kiloton bomb dropped on the Japanese city of Hiroshima in 1945.

The U.N. Security Council urged North Korea last week not to carry out a test, warning of unspecified consequences if it did.

Japanese Foreign Minister Taro Aso said Tokyo was considering further sanctions on North Korea and might push for a fresh Security Council resolution if the nuclear test were confirmed.

The Security Council was due to meet on Monday to officially nominate South Korean Foreign Minister Ban Ki-moon as next
United Nations secretary-general, at which time it was likely to discuss North Korea's move.

A U.S. official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said the North had given China a 20-minute warning of its test and Beijing had immediately alerted Washington, Tokyo and Seoul.

Although it is the closest reclusive North Korea has to an ally, China described the nuclear test as "brazen" and called on its neighbor to stop any action that would worsen the situation.

Seoul and Beijing -- leery of instability on the Korea peninsula -- have previously cautioned against backing the North into a corner, but Tokyo backs a hard line toward Pyongyang.

IN A CORNER

However, all three agree Pyongyang should end its 11-month boycott of six-nation talks on ending its nuclear arms program.

"I don't think North Korea is trying (for) an escalation that could lead to a military confrontation. ... I think they're trying to respond from a corner," former U.N. weapons inspector David Albright told CNN television.

North Korea announced its intention to test a nuclear device last week, saying its hand had been forced by what it called U.S. threats of nuclear war and economic sanctions. But it said it would not be the first to use a nuclear weapon.

"North Korea is using this claim as a bargaining chip to gain leverage so that Washington will take them seriously," said Dewi Fortuna Anwar, a political analyst at the Indonesian Institute of Sciences and a former Indonesian presidential adviser.

Zhang Liangui, an expert on North Korea at the Central Party School, a top think-tank in Beijing, said it was unlikely Japan would seek to become a nuclear weapons state, because of U.S. opposition, but other states may be encouraged to proliferate.

"It will be like America, where everybody thinks he has the right to own a gun," he said. "The first country to be encouraged by this will be
Iran, and then other countries in the Middle East."


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US will not bow down to terrorist, and Un needs to interefere with this



North Korea has fired an missle

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