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Stupid In School?; Is that rught?
Topic Started: Feb 4 2005, 09:30 PM (450 Views)
Mental_assasin	Feb 4 2005, 09:30 PM Post #1
Posts: 719 Group: Members Member #49 Joined: January 12, 2005	One of my teachers today, told a student...in front of that class that she was "Too stupid to be in the ninth grade",is that right, it struck me funny and i wanted your opinion.
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The Punisher	Feb 5 2005, 01:44 AM Post #2
Posts: 3,691 Group: Admin Member #18 Joined: November 15, 2004	No it is not right, and the teacher should lose her job
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laurenmcnaughty	Feb 5 2005, 02:12 AM Post #3
Posts: 1,750 Group: Members Member #33 Joined: December 11, 2004	teachers like that should not be allowed to graduate from uni/college. sure she might have had a bad day but that gives her no right to speak to a student like that. firstly its wrong to demorilize a student in front of the class but even in private its wrong - it doesn't help them to feel good about themselves or the school. if you feel reallly strongly about it (like i obviously do) you could either talk to a teacher or anomously tell the head of department about the incident becuase if the teacher is not disiplined/spoken to she will continue to do it to other students. my god! i cant believe that someone would be that cruel - all throughout first year we learnt about child pysch. and that kinda stuff.. managment of a classroom and behaviour and that has to be the number one thing of what not to say. Teachers should not be able to abuse a position like theres and the trust that comes with it.
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flower	Feb 5 2005, 04:50 PM Post #4
Being Born Moderator Debate and Politics Moderator Posts: 383 Group: Moderator Member #16 Joined: November 15, 2004	i agree with lauren its not right it does not matter if the teacher was having a bad day she should not have took her anger out on that student and she should pay for it.
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laurenmcnaughty	Feb 5 2005, 08:36 PM Post #5
Posts: 1,750 Group: Members Member #33 Joined: December 11, 2004	well i dont think that the teacher should loose her job but there should be an apology to the student as well as some disciplinary action - and possible retraining in areas of classroom managament/behaviour and child psych. so that she can see how her actions affected that student.
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crazyfella	Feb 6 2005, 01:02 AM Post #6
Mark Posts: 824 Group: Members Member #57 Joined: January 19, 2005	why does that sound so familiar??? oh, cos it happened in one of my classes to.except in our school the teachers normally end up getting it worse, the students started refering to the teacher as dumb@$$. this is more because the teacher was wrong about the question,meaning he called the student stupid when the kid was right. after a month i never saw the teacher at school anymore
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laurenmcnaughty	Feb 6 2005, 04:56 PM Post #7
Posts: 1,750 Group: Members Member #33 Joined: December 11, 2004	teachers do cop a lot of flack from students but that doesn't really give them a right to retaliate - they are the authority within that classroom and such shouldn't stoop to that level. hmm wonder if she left/fired or transfered (from crazys post before me) but i still think its the wrong way to manage a classroom.
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Mental_assasin	Feb 6 2005, 06:55 PM Post #8
Posts: 719 Group: Members Member #49 Joined: January 12, 2005	OMG!!! The kid told the principal...(i found this out frm the kid) and the teacher still has her job but she has to have a person in the classroom for the next month when she teaches/
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laurenmcnaughty	Feb 6 2005, 08:37 PM Post #9
Posts: 1,750 Group: Members Member #33 Joined: December 11, 2004	it was good that the student told the principal otherwise the teacher will continue that action. having a second person in the classroom is a more standard disciplinary action, she wouldn't have been fired over that. although if she continues the action it is possible that firing will occur. im glad that she has some punishment though.. it shows her that she cant abuse the system and get away with it.
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crazyfella	Feb 7 2005, 04:19 AM Post #10
Mark Posts: 824 Group: Members Member #57 Joined: January 19, 2005	its good that the kid went to the principal, teachers should never be able to get away with things like that. plus it would be good to see the teacher trying to do her job in front of other staff after a stunt like that,how awkward and stupid would she feel.
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laurenmcnaughty	Feb 7 2005, 07:18 PM Post #11
Posts: 1,750 Group: Members Member #33 Joined: December 11, 2004	yeah - thats true aswell because now her collegues will know about her teaching (or lack there of) ability. I do feel abit sorry for her though because now everything about her work life will be going up you know what creek. I realise that she partly deserves it for what she said to that student. i'm just a bit of a fence sitter when it comes to actual disciplinary issues.
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crazyfella	Feb 7 2005, 07:22 PM Post #12
Mark Posts: 824 Group: Members Member #57 Joined: January 19, 2005	she should think before she says stuff, cos if she tries to teach somewhere else shell have that stuff written on her reference
	Quote: I tried to be perfect, but nothing was worth it, nothing could ever be so wrong, its hard to believe me, it never gets easy�, i guess i knew that all along� � � � � Sum41 "Pieces" [/color] WORMS ARE GOIN DOWN


laurenmcnaughty	Feb 7 2005, 07:38 PM Post #13
Posts: 1,750 Group: Members Member #33 Joined: December 11, 2004	well that would depend on who wrote her refernce and how badly teachers were needed as to whether she would get another job. but also it cant make her feel very good about herself, and/or her teaching style.
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crazyfella	Feb 8 2005, 05:26 AM Post #14
Mark Posts: 824 Group: Members Member #57 Joined: January 19, 2005	well usually it would be the principal giving the reference, or education department who would surely know about the incident. and if i was the principal of a skool i wouldnt hire a teacher that verbaly abuses her students no matter how desperate i was.
	Quote: I tried to be perfect, but nothing was worth it, nothing could ever be so wrong, its hard to believe me, it never gets easy�, i guess i knew that all along� � � � � Sum41 "Pieces" [/color] WORMS ARE GOIN DOWN


laurenmcnaughty	Feb 8 2005, 06:41 AM Post #15
Posts: 1,750 Group: Members Member #33 Joined: December 11, 2004	yes thats all fine and well but some rural communities are despertely needing teachers and one incident with a student doesn't really measure up against not hireing the teacher at all. its better to have someone standing up teaching the class - even if they are not best for the job than not having a teacher at all.
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crazyfella	Feb 8 2005, 06:43 AM Post #16
Mark Posts: 824 Group: Members Member #57 Joined: January 19, 2005	thats why they have things called substitutes
	Quote: I tried to be perfect, but nothing was worth it, nothing could ever be so wrong, its hard to believe me, it never gets easy�, i guess i knew that all along� � � � � Sum41 "Pieces" [/color] WORMS ARE GOIN DOWN


laurenmcnaughty	Feb 8 2005, 06:45 AM Post #17
Posts: 1,750 Group: Members Member #33 Joined: December 11, 2004	substitues as in substituting the teacher for a short period of time. Key word short.. you cant really have a sub teaching a class for the whole year. firstly because thats not the reason for them secondly they are two expensive.. especailly if it was a rural school in question.
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crazyfella	Feb 8 2005, 06:48 AM Post #18
Mark Posts: 824 Group: Members Member #57 Joined: January 19, 2005	a lot of substites stay wit the same schools for a few years and its rare that they wont be able to find a replacement teacher in a year
	Quote: I tried to be perfect, but nothing was worth it, nothing could ever be so wrong, its hard to believe me, it never gets easy�, i guess i knew that all along� � � � � Sum41 "Pieces" [/color] WORMS ARE GOIN DOWN


laurenmcnaughty	Feb 8 2005, 06:53 AM Post #19
Posts: 1,750 Group: Members Member #33 Joined: December 11, 2004	yes but are they working full time for those years or part time over the years... that the main thing there. And that still doesn't address the budgiting issues that the school would face.. this is getting a bit weird.. anyway i dont know how i got to this point.
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crazyfella	Feb 8 2005, 06:59 AM Post #20
Mark Posts: 824 Group: Members Member #57 Joined: January 19, 2005	its a pretty good debate subject if u ask me
	Quote: I tried to be perfect, but nothing was worth it, nothing could ever be so wrong, its hard to believe me, it never gets easy�, i guess i knew that all along� � � � � Sum41 "Pieces" [/color] WORMS ARE GOIN DOWN


laurenmcnaughty	Feb 8 2005, 07:01 AM Post #21
Posts: 1,750 Group: Members Member #33 Joined: December 11, 2004	lol - most definatley - good thing its in the debate section then! :)
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crazyfella	Feb 8 2005, 06:38 PM Post #22
Mark Posts: 824 Group: Members Member #57 Joined: January 19, 2005	if anyone else can help me to reply to the last point lauren made i will be most greatful
	Quote: I tried to be perfect, but nothing was worth it, nothing could ever be so wrong, its hard to believe me, it never gets easy�, i guess i knew that all along� � � � � Sum41 "Pieces" [/color] WORMS ARE GOIN DOWN


laurenmcnaughty	Feb 8 2005, 08:31 PM Post #23
Posts: 1,750 Group: Members Member #33 Joined: December 11, 2004	which point? the bit about budgeting?
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crazyfella	Feb 8 2005, 09:19 PM Post #24
Mark Posts: 824 Group: Members Member #57 Joined: January 19, 2005	yeah that one
	Quote: I tried to be perfect, but nothing was worth it, nothing could ever be so wrong, its hard to believe me, it never gets easy�, i guess i knew that all along� � � � � Sum41 "Pieces" [/color] WORMS ARE GOIN DOWN


laurenmcnaughty	Feb 8 2005, 11:35 PM Post #25
Posts: 1,750 Group: Members Member #33 Joined: December 11, 2004	it is true though - subs do get paid very good money , heaps more than a normal teacher. so imagine having a sub working full time for a year in a rural school. they dont have that kinda money to be able to afford it.
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crazyfella	Feb 9 2005, 01:14 AM Post #26
Mark Posts: 824 Group: Members Member #57 Joined: January 19, 2005	last time i checked it was the government that paid the teachers wages
	Quote: I tried to be perfect, but nothing was worth it, nothing could ever be so wrong, its hard to believe me, it never gets easy�, i guess i knew that all along� � � � � Sum41 "Pieces" [/color] WORMS ARE GOIN DOWN


laurenmcnaughty	Feb 9 2005, 01:22 AM Post #27
Posts: 1,750 Group: Members Member #33 Joined: December 11, 2004	yes but think that in a rural setting the school (possible schools though doubtful) will be public and thus government funded. But its highly doubtful they wouldn't be getting much funding anyway.
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crazyfella	Feb 9 2005, 01:42 AM Post #28
Mark Posts: 824 Group: Members Member #57 Joined: January 19, 2005	u win someone else on my team can take over if they ever feel like posting
	Quote: I tried to be perfect, but nothing was worth it, nothing could ever be so wrong, its hard to believe me, it never gets easy�, i guess i knew that all along� � � � � Sum41 "Pieces" [/color] WORMS ARE GOIN DOWN


laurenmcnaughty	Feb 9 2005, 01:49 AM Post #29
Posts: 1,750 Group: Members Member #33 Joined: December 11, 2004	lol -oh thats not much fun. YOu did know that i did education (teaching) at uni last year right? so i did have a bit of an unfair advantage.
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crazyfella	Feb 9 2005, 06:41 AM Post #30
Mark Posts: 824 Group: Members Member #57 Joined: January 19, 2005	oh if i knew that i wouldnt have tried in the first place
	Quote: I tried to be perfect, but nothing was worth it, nothing could ever be so wrong, its hard to believe me, it never gets easy�, i guess i knew that all along� � � � � Sum41 "Pieces" [/color] WORMS ARE GOIN DOWN


laurenmcnaughty	Feb 9 2005, 07:47 AM Post #31
Posts: 1,750 Group: Members Member #33 Joined: December 11, 2004	lol i wasns't sure if you were aware of my background knowledge lol sure paid off though. :)
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crazyfella	Feb 9 2005, 08:47 AM Post #32
Mark Posts: 824 Group: Members Member #57 Joined: January 19, 2005	still i think im right about the principal not hiring the teacher, unless they kept their eyes real close on her
	Quote: I tried to be perfect, but nothing was worth it, nothing could ever be so wrong, its hard to believe me, it never gets easy�, i guess i knew that all along� � � � � Sum41 "Pieces" [/color] WORMS ARE GOIN DOWN


laurenmcnaughty	Feb 9 2005, 05:54 PM Post #33
Posts: 1,750 Group: Members Member #33 Joined: December 11, 2004	yeah well i wouldn't hire her if i was a principal but there are some circumstances which would call for desperate measures. Just to put a different slant on this - what if she went back and redid her degree (so 2 or 3 years at uni) learning classroom managment and child psych some electives but the main core subjects. Would you hire her?
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crazyfella	Feb 9 2005, 07:24 PM Post #34
Mark Posts: 824 Group: Members Member #57 Joined: January 19, 2005	wow... she must really want to keep her job as a teacher to go through all that again. well i would hire her if she re-did her degree but not straight after that incident.
	Quote: I tried to be perfect, but nothing was worth it, nothing could ever be so wrong, its hard to believe me, it never gets easy�, i guess i knew that all along� � � � � Sum41 "Pieces" [/color] WORMS ARE GOIN DOWN


laurenmcnaughty	Feb 9 2005, 07:31 PM Post #35
Posts: 1,750 Group: Members Member #33 Joined: December 11, 2004	ok so now im stuck for ideas of my next question... gah!!! I'll think of something. what about nah im stuffed... :(
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crazyfella	Feb 10 2005, 12:02 AM Post #36
Mark Posts: 824 Group: Members Member #57 Joined: January 19, 2005	lol... I WIN
	Quote: I tried to be perfect, but nothing was worth it, nothing could ever be so wrong, its hard to believe me, it never gets easy�, i guess i knew that all along� � � � � Sum41 "Pieces" [/color] WORMS ARE GOIN DOWN


laurenmcnaughty	Feb 10 2005, 12:40 AM Post #37
Posts: 1,750 Group: Members Member #33 Joined: December 11, 2004	just this time. well then - what is correct classroom punishment?
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crazyfella	Feb 10 2005, 03:15 AM Post #38
Mark Posts: 824 Group: Members Member #57 Joined: January 19, 2005	for the etacher or the student
	Quote: I tried to be perfect, but nothing was worth it, nothing could ever be so wrong, its hard to believe me, it never gets easy�, i guess i knew that all along� � � � � Sum41 "Pieces" [/color] WORMS ARE GOIN DOWN


laurenmcnaughty	Feb 10 2005, 06:48 AM Post #39
Posts: 1,750 Group: Members Member #33 Joined: December 11, 2004	lol - for the student... say the student is disrupting the classroom with swearing/carring on/ throwing things. something along those lines.
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crazyfella	Feb 10 2005, 07:07 AM Post #40
Mark Posts: 824 Group: Members Member #57 Joined: January 19, 2005	id swear back and trow stuff at him...lol just joking nah i dunno, warn him then send him to the principal so he/she can deal with it.
	Quote: I tried to be perfect, but nothing was worth it, nothing could ever be so wrong, its hard to believe me, it never gets easy�, i guess i knew that all along� � � � � Sum41 "Pieces" [/color] WORMS ARE GOIN DOWN


MSI101	Feb 11 2005, 12:28 AM Post #41
Posts: 650 Group: Members Member #29 Joined: December 3, 2004	Yes crazym that's the right thing to do. While a teacher should not be disrespectful towards their students, the students must show the same respect in turn. If he/she does not, then the student should be disiplined (sp?), like a teacher would be.
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laurenmcnaughty	Feb 11 2005, 01:12 AM Post #42
Posts: 1,750 Group: Members Member #33 Joined: December 11, 2004	thats what i was trying at but when does the matter become one for the principal rather than the teacher?? how much abuse should a teacher have to put up with before they can safely discipline a student??
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crazyfella	Feb 11 2005, 04:53 AM Post #43
Mark Posts: 824 Group: Members Member #57 Joined: January 19, 2005	they should take as much as they can handle, for instance a teacher could deal with a kid thats yelling all over the place and maybe throwing pens or something like that. but if the kid starts really abusing or hurting (emothionally or physically) the teacher or other students then it should be a job for the principals or parents to deal with.
	Quote: I tried to be perfect, but nothing was worth it, nothing could ever be so wrong, its hard to believe me, it never gets easy�, i guess i knew that all along� � � � � Sum41 "Pieces" [/color] WORMS ARE GOIN DOWN


Mental_assasin	Feb 14 2005, 04:31 PM Post #44
Posts: 719 Group: Members Member #49 Joined: January 12, 2005	wow, you two talk alot!
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crazyfella	Feb 14 2005, 06:59 PM Post #45
Mark Posts: 824 Group: Members Member #57 Joined: January 19, 2005	thats true, we've kinda started a new debate in the same thread
	Quote: I tried to be perfect, but nothing was worth it, nothing could ever be so wrong, its hard to believe me, it never gets easy�, i guess i knew that all along� � � � � Sum41 "Pieces" [/color] WORMS ARE GOIN DOWN


laurenmcnaughty	Feb 18 2005, 10:35 AM Post #46
Posts: 1,750 Group: Members Member #33 Joined: December 11, 2004	lol -well open a new thread then sookie bear. If you can handel loosing again! :)
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mycrimsonregret	Jul 1 2006, 01:27 AM Post #47
Evanescence Moderator Other Band Moderator Posts: 31 Group: Moderator Member #240 Joined: June 30, 2006	thats wrong!!!! no one deserves to be told that by a teacher...even if they are.



The Punisher	Jul 9 2006, 12:11 AM Post #48
Posts: 3,691 Group: Admin Member #18 Joined: November 15, 2004	very true lawsuit should be filed
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malice_angel	Jul 30 2006, 01:31 PM Post #49
Debate Moderator Web O Rama Moderator Posts: 83 Group: Moderator Member #250 Joined: July 28, 2006	Mental_assasin Feb 4 2005, 09:30 PM One of my teachers today, told a student...in front of that class that she was "Too stupid to be in the ninth grade",is that right, it struck me funny and i wanted your opinion. :blink: OMG, a teacher really said that? That's so not right. I would report the teacher to the headmaster or who ever. because that's totally not right. That persona can scorn someone's self-respect and really cause mental damage. I personally would not keep my mouth shut. I may be quite at school, but if a teacher would disrespect me, my mouth will get open!!!



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