Tsumani Tragedy

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Tsumani Tragedy; CLOSED
Topic Started: Jan 8 2005, 07:50 AM (212 Views)
laurenmcnaughty	Jan 8 2005, 07:50 AM Post #1
Posts: 1,750 Group: Members Member #33 Joined: December 11, 2004	Well tonight australian musicans, media and people got together to help raise money for the asain countries devestaded by the tsunami. Our 3 major commercial tv stations joined forces and co presented and all showed the same show at the same time. Australias top musos played at the sydney harbour to a sold out audience. Australian citizens donated their money. Children their christmas money, fairy tooth money and even thier life savings of thousands of dollars. The total raised was $15 million in three hours (australian dollars - so like 25 - 30 million american) Come on - lets see this effort matched by america and other major european powers.
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flower	Jan 8 2005, 11:16 PM Post #2
Being Born Moderator Debate and Politics Moderator Posts: 383 Group: Moderator Member #16 Joined: November 15, 2004	it was a tragedy what happened to those people and im sure americans are lending a helping hand for them what are we if we dont help hum
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FiveSecondRule	Jan 9 2005, 12:12 AM Post #3
Posts: 2,895 Group: Members Member #8 Joined: November 11, 2004	One Quote from San Fransico Chronicle -- The United States, which was heavily criticized for its response in the first days of the Asian tsunami disaster, substantially increased its pledge of aid to $350 million Friday. The new pledge makes the United States the largest donor to the relief effort, followed by the World Bank, which has committed $250 million, and Great Britain, which is offering $95 million in aid. So let's see a match of $350M and that's not counting the 30 plus from other support groups EACH. Plus did anyone show us any support for 9/11, the actual airplane attack not the war thing, no atleast not to my knowlege maybe the uk but they normally do so they can be-friend every person in the world lol. now of course the red cross did and that's global, but they help everyone they're like the swiss, lol. but seriously did anyone help us?? no. would we get this much support if a Tsunami hit us? probally not. maybe a little here or there. but really NO! the only real reason we gave money was so that you people would not get mad at us. Atleast tha'ts how i feel.
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laurenmcnaughty	Jan 9 2005, 01:24 AM Post #4
Posts: 1,750 Group: Members Member #33 Joined: December 11, 2004	If George bush wants america to be the world super power it should be a given that the supports other smaller countries in times of terrible crisis and need. Please note that the 35 million was a step up from the measly amount they first pledged. Even other american cabinet ministers (polos) spoke out about what a small amount it was. The Australian government has given 1 billion dollars with the state governments giving more again. The australian people have donated approx 90 million dollars. All i am trying to say is that we cant give physical help there but these countries will need money and the tourist industry to pick back up. Perhaps if G Bush hadn't turned 9/11 into a reason for him to go to war than countries would have helped but he used it for his own reasons - not the good of the country. I think that other countries have a right to be angered if the world power gives a measly amount of money - which they spend in like 2 days in Iraq.
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The Punisher	Jan 9 2005, 01:42 AM Post #5
Posts: 3,691 Group: Admin Member #18 Joined: November 15, 2004	okay this is a topic on the tragedy not a bush basher one the death toll is 156,000 may god bless them
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Amy_Lee_Fanatic	Jan 9 2005, 03:11 AM Post #6
Posts: 4 Group: Members Member #39 Joined: January 1, 2005	This is a tragedy, on a scale of which we have never seen before. I don't want to start anything, but I do want to just bring a couple of things up.. Quote: Plus did anyone show us any support for 9/11, the actual airplane attack not the war thing, no atleast not to my knowlege maybe the uk but they normally do so they can be-friend every person in the world lol. now of course the red cross did and that's global, but they help everyone they're like the swiss, lol. but seriously did anyone help us?? no. Firstly there is NO way this can be compared to September 11, that was an attack co-ordinated by humans against Americans and the Western Civilisation, but the Earthquakes/Tsunamis were forces of nature that could not be stopped. As for donations, people from all around the word did donate money and it wasn't just the UK... but really again how can you compare America to some of those South Asian countries. They are nowhere near as well off as countries such as America and Australia, etc. Which is why so much money is needed to help these people rebuild their lives Quote: would we get this much support if a Tsunami hit us? probally not. maybe a little here or there. but really NO! the only real reason we gave money was so that you people would not get mad at us. Atleast tha'ts how i feel. You're right, you wouldn't get as much support in the way of money and aid, because America is one of, if not the richest county in the world. The countries affected by this tsunami are fairly poor, over populated, and their buildings and structures are nowhere near as advanced as that of some countries, which is why there was complete devastation in a lot of areas. However if that's how you feel, I won't hold that against you. I personally feel it's case of giving as much as you believe you can give, but if you're giving something, that's more than nothing right? One thing this tragedy has shown me, is how generous and giving people can be. Not only with the wallets, but their time and effort, in particular all those soldiers, doctors and volunteers over there helping out. People are starting to get petty in regard to who should be donating what, and that is not what's important. Just try to think about the people greatly affected by this tragedy, keep them in your thoughts and your hearts, as they will need it. Peace.



laurenmcnaughty	Jan 9 2005, 03:14 AM Post #7
Posts: 1,750 Group: Members Member #33 Joined: December 11, 2004	i agree with amy lee fanatic - i was getting You little female dog!!!!!y over the contribution of the usa (or lack there of) but the focus should be on helping these poor citizens who have had everything taken off them.
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The Punisher	Jan 9 2005, 11:10 AM Post #8
Posts: 3,691 Group: Admin Member #18 Joined: November 15, 2004	america is not a bad country we are helping them. I had donated money to them. does that make me a bad american cause I donated just a little bit.
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FiveSecondRule	Jan 9 2005, 01:00 PM Post #9
Posts: 2,895 Group: Members Member #8 Joined: November 11, 2004	*QUOTE:::If George bush wants america to be the world super power...of terrible crisis and need. Who said anything about George Bush We're talking about the tragedy QUOTE:::Please note that the 35 ... a small amount it was. I's not 35 million thats toilet paper, it's 350 million. I personally think we should give anything to any country no one would help us, plus we have serveral other things in our country that needs to be taken care of. QUOTE:::The Australian government ... industry to pick back up. We give physical help, as always. nothing against you. just stating. QUOTE:::Perhaps if G Bush hadn't turned 9/11 into a reason for him to go to war ... good of the country. Well that's not true he did the "war" thing like a month after that. once we found the origin of the attack. plus AS I SAID the ATTACK not the WAR!! soo wit that said no one would have helped us. and no one did. QUOTE:::I think that other countries have a right ... which they spend in like 2 days in Iraq. well we spend it to keep our troops alive. i have shown my disagreement towards the "war" but since Americans are over there they need the money first. not other countries. those are our people in iraq not asians. ________________________________________________________________ QUOTE:::* This is a tragedy, on a scale of which we have never seen before. Yea i agree with that. *QUOTE:::Firstly there is NO way this can be compared to September 11, that was an attack co-ordinated by humans against Americans and the Western Civilisation, but the Earthquakes/Tsunamis were forces of nature that could not be stopped. Okay no other countries help us rebuild during our natural causes. we also have had Natural Disrrupts in our country serveral eathquakes and other naturals accourances. Even the past five Hurricanes that hit Florida. "11,000, with another 13,000 missing and feared dead," and only the UK gave "physical help" QUOTE:::As for donations, people from all around the word did donate money and it wasn't just the UK...America and Australia, etc. My point in making the 9/11 comment if you read between the lines is that no one has ever helped us to a great extent. As i said redcross doesn't count and most of the "other" countries affilated their donations through the redcross, and other non-profit globaly reconigezed origantization. Mostly becuase they help every person. and is affiliated through almost every country. QUOTE:::*You're right, you wouldn't get as much support in the way of money and aid, ... why there was complete devastation in a lot of areas. Your right no one cares about the big bad Americans And extra information Richest countries by National GDP per Capita 1 Luxembourg $36,400 2 United States $36,200 3 Bermuda $33,000 4 San Marino $32,000 5 Switzerland $28,600 6 Aruba $28,000 7 Norway $27,700 8 Monaco $27,000 9 Singapore $26,500 10 Denmark $25,500 we're number two.
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FiveSecondRule	Jan 9 2005, 01:13 PM Post #10
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The Punisher	Jan 9 2005, 08:03 PM Post #11
Posts: 3,691 Group: Admin Member #18 Joined: November 15, 2004	:P The point is no one cares about america but yet everyone comes to us. why should we help those who don't help us. The tragedy was horrible and we should help.
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FiveSecondRule	Jan 9 2005, 10:40 PM Post #12
Posts: 2,895 Group: Members Member #8 Joined: November 11, 2004	QUOTE:::The point is no one cares about america but yet everyone comes to us. why should we help those who don't help us. TOTALLY AGREEE!!!!!
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The Punisher	Jan 10 2005, 11:36 AM Post #13
Posts: 3,691 Group: Admin Member #18 Joined: November 15, 2004	thank you don't get me wrong I want to help those in need, but if we had a major disater in our country would their be help.
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FiveSecondRule	Jan 10 2005, 02:00 PM Post #14
Posts: 2,895 Group: Members Member #8 Joined: November 11, 2004	EXACTLY MY POINT No one would help us as much as we help others. Atleast to the best of our abillity, with most of our forces concentrated over seas
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laurenmcnaughty	Jan 11 2005, 02:57 AM Post #15
Posts: 1,750 Group: Members Member #33 Joined: December 11, 2004	hate to say it but this is starting to go off the original topic guys - lets keep it semi tight okay?
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FiveSecondRule	Jan 11 2005, 12:37 PM Post #16
Posts: 2,895 Group: Members Member #8 Joined: November 11, 2004	ture, it's very sad.
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crazyfella	Jan 21 2005, 11:06 PM Post #17
Mark Posts: 824 Group: Members Member #57 Joined: January 19, 2005	this is mainly to five second rule and the punisher, the reason america got barely any help was because they have enough money to support themselves, when the countries hit by the tsunami tragedy are 3rd world countries,places that dont have an economy strong enough to help with these sort of disasters. and also when america went to war australia and the uk followed them, if thats not support then wat is.
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FiveSecondRule	Jan 22 2005, 12:57 AM Post #18
Posts: 2,895 Group: Members Member #8 Joined: November 11, 2004	i know that but even if it was backwards we still would recive as much of help... only b/c of the history that america has had. we take in aliens every single day, less nowadays since 9/11 but still we do. We always help, but whenever we need supprt in any way, not just money or finacial aid we still wouln't get the same amount of support if we were NOT the 2nd richest nation. By the way i dont know what the ailen remark is about lol. but i'm typing fast and dont feel like deleting...
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The Punisher	Jan 23 2005, 11:03 AM Post #19
Posts: 3,691 Group: Admin Member #18 Joined: November 15, 2004	;) let'ts face it no one comes to our aid when we need it,but we are expected to help third world. here the twist we all blame BUSH or the war the reason why we don't help anyone Uk is our allies so no DUH they will help us in time of need. LET GET BACK ON TOPIC GUYS
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Amy_Lee_Fanatic	Mar 10 2005, 04:07 AM Post #20
Posts: 4 Group: Members Member #39 Joined: January 1, 2005	So, I haven't been around for a while, but I saw this thread and I was pretty dam pissed off. I wouldn't mind seeing this in the debate thread if anyone wishes to continue this. Or you can go ahead and ban me for stating this, but I will not read this garbage and say nothing. Firstly, what's with the whole making America out to be this country that no one ever helps, that all they ever do is give, give, give and get nothing in return? Are you telling me that the $900 that my school alone (1,200 students, 60 staff), raised for the victims of 9/11 was not helping out at all? Get your stats right before you accuse other countries of not helping out. During and after Sept 11, for nearly a whole month, they had numbers that you could donate to, going across the bottom of the TV. So really this makes it worse, that you don't even realise when people ARE coming to your aid... Oh and by the way, how on earth can you cry and say no one would help you? Look at these GDP per Capita's and you might see why helping these other countries who were affected by the tsunami, is important... United States: $39,711 (if you don't mind) Australia: $29,814 (for arguments sake) Now would you please focus your eyes on these figures... India: $3,019 Indonesia: $3,661 Sri Lanka: $4,107 Maldives: $7,008 Thailand: $7,851 Do you see where I am going with this? I'd hate to see what the world would come to if everyone had your opinion of "I'll only help you now, if you've helped us before." Tell me when there has ever been a natural disaster that has wiped out 250,000 people and left millions homeless, from one area in America? Please tell me? I want to know. I put this idea forwards to you... Say a foreign man's house has been torn down by a tornado down the street. His entire family are dead, all his belongings are gone, he has no clean water, no money, nothing. Now would you honestly just stand there, watching him, and do nothing, because he has never done anything for you? Not the same scenario, I know, but the idealisms are the same, and honestly, it's pathetic. I leave you with this to ponder, how 'generous' your government seems to be... Quote: "Americans are regularly told by politicians and the media, that America is the world's most generous nation. This is one of the most conventional pieces of 'knowledgeable ignorance'. According to the OECD, the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development, the US gave between $6 and $15 billion in foreign aid in the period between 1995 and 1999. In absolute terms, Japan gives more than the US, between $9 and $15 billion in the same period. But the absolute figures are less significant than the proportion of gross domestic product (GDP, or national wealth) that a country devotes to foreign aid. On that league table, the US ranks twenty-second of the 22 most developed nations. As former President Jimmy Carter commented: 'We are the stingiest nation of all'. Denmark is top of the table, giving 1.01% of GDP, while the US manages just 0.1%. http://www.vexen.co.uk/USA/foreign_aid.html That's all I wish to say, act as you will.



The Punisher	Mar 11 2005, 12:53 AM Post #21
Posts: 3,691 Group: Admin Member #18 Joined: November 15, 2004	;) okay first of of all I am not going to ban you secondly this thread is not a debate we send troops over their to help them to clean-up and ETC. WHAT MORE YOU WANT FROM US
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crazyfella	Mar 12 2005, 12:49 AM Post #22
Mark Posts: 824 Group: Members Member #57 Joined: January 19, 2005	TO SHUT UP AND STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT HAVING TO HELP PEOPLE!!!
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The Punisher	Mar 12 2005, 01:34 AM Post #23
Posts: 3,691 Group: Admin Member #18 Joined: November 15, 2004	I know you not talking to me like that right shoots thread I hate to say this WORST THREAD EVER
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laurenmcnaughty	Mar 12 2005, 08:23 AM Post #24
Posts: 1,750 Group: Members Member #33 Joined: December 11, 2004	im sorry but i jsut had to reopen this. Just because you dont like a topic punisher it doesn't mean taht it should be closed. It is not breaking anyof the rules. Look if i get in trouble over this it wont matter which i hope will show you that i really think this needs to be open. I dont know what other countries did to help but aussies held hundreads of fundraisers, whole tv networks got toghther, our top artists all raising money. Aussies realise that we are well of and as a result gave and gave and gave for the tsuanmi appeal. Im not trying to make us better than you - simply say .. well i dont know but yeah this topic is reopened and now a debate. Im willing to take the punishemnt for defying the top boss on this one.
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crazyfella	Mar 12 2005, 08:27 AM Post #25
Mark Posts: 824 Group: Members Member #57 Joined: January 19, 2005	i think it was like 1.8 billion dollars donated by australia. but what i hated about this tragedy is that the countries who were donating tried to make it out to be a competition on who could raise the most. i know its good to raise heaps, but do it for good reason, not so you can say your the best.
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laurenmcnaughty	Mar 12 2005, 08:43 AM Post #26
Posts: 1,750 Group: Members Member #33 Joined: December 11, 2004	exactly - i didn't start this topic to stir sugare rather to encourage everyone to do their best to help in the time of tragedy. It sounds corny but it was ment with the best of intentions.
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The Punisher	Mar 13 2005, 01:06 AM Post #27
Posts: 3,691 Group: Admin Member #18 Joined: November 15, 2004	im sorry but i jsut had to reopen this. Just because you dont like a topic punisher it doesn't mean taht it should be closed. It is not breaking anyof the rules. Look if i get in trouble over this it wont matter which i hope will show you that i really think this needs to be open. first of all you are out of line want to appeal a adm or mod then pm them. don't post it on the board cause you be risking a warning and temp banning. I did not lock it because I hated it. it was locked cause of off topic and bashing I dont know what other countries did to help but aussies held hundreads of fundraisers, whole tv networks got toghther, our top artists all raising money. Aussies realise that we are well of and as a result gave and gave and gave for the tsuanmi appeal. UNITED STATES helped they donate clothes and food money. the point is we helped these people. it was a tradegy so we must never forget. Im not trying to make us better than you - simply say .. well i dont know but yeah this topic is reopened and now a debate. why is this a debate if it becomes a bushbashing or US bashing then it will be locked again and stay locked as far as punishments go check pm laurn
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laurenmcnaughty	Mar 14 2005, 03:48 AM Post #28
Posts: 1,750 Group: Members Member #33 Joined: December 11, 2004	punisher i said that i didn't mean this topic to be a us bashing us vs you topic. As for complaints yes i know about that bit but i didn't think of it as a complaint rather just that it should be reopened. P.S checked pm and all is cool.
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flower	Mar 14 2005, 11:21 PM Post #29
Being Born Moderator Debate and Politics Moderator Posts: 383 Group: Moderator Member #16 Joined: November 15, 2004	this may have been said already but its always been in our nature to help people we cant help everyone we are not God we do the best we can not everything is president bush fault hes doin all he can for this tsumani tragedy
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The Punisher	Mar 20 2005, 06:55 PM Post #30
Posts: 3,691 Group: Admin Member #18 Joined: November 15, 2004	;) LET GET BACK ON TOPIC GUYS
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flower	May 25 2005, 11:55 PM Post #31
Being Born Moderator Debate and Politics Moderator Posts: 383 Group: Moderator Member #16 Joined: November 15, 2004	i thought we were on topic lol
	is there any help out there for me????


The Punisher	May 26 2005, 01:15 AM Post #32
Posts: 3,691 Group: Admin Member #18 Joined: November 15, 2004	flower talking about bush IN a TSUMANI is not on topic bush is a president tsumani is water.
	DON'T MAKE ME COUNT TO 3 DO YOU WANT A WHIPPING? In Memory Of Steven Walters arcade touney winner receives 100 post count added. http://z3.invisionfree.com/evfanstation/in...topic=932&st=0&


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