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Kasumi's ninpo
Topic Started: Mar 4 2007, 02:04 AM (3,352 Views)
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Mar 9 2007, 10:42 AM
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Mar 9 2007, 07:57 PM
Since DOATEC was after her one would think she has hidden powers that are yet to surface. :kas:  :kasumi: Because why would they go after someone with only leadership qualities?

But they went after Hayate as well...

The only ninjas who havent been targeted by DOATEC is Ayane and Ryu and both of them have pretty destructive abilities, especially Hayabusa.

IMO it seems that they just wanted a Ninja, didnt care who just a ninja.

That could be true. :kasumi: :kas:
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i've a question that's been buggin me ever since DoA2 and up. how in the blue hell did DOATEC even manage to capture a ninja?

i can understand hayate's situation, yet how did the company even get past his clan?

with them being all ubber-powerful and all......it just makes no sense.
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Mar 9 2007, 01:17 AM
Not quite. The ninja were niether rebels nor heroes. Simply assasins. Powerful ones at that. They simply took on whatever contracts they took. If they took emotions into their work, they would NEVER have been able to keep themselves secret. Have you ever tried to do something while angry, or with some other strong emotion? It makes you sloppy. You get slower, and you don't respond well.

Martial artists(and Ninja were most DEFINATELY martial artists) strive to attain a state of Mushin, or "no mind". Why? Because thought distracts. You don't think "I hate him", or even "I have to punch now", they just do it. That's why they train for so long, to adapt the movements to muscle memory. It's the truth. When you are being hit at, reflex makes you throw your arm to block. But they train to make their arm parry. They don't think "I must parry", or they will be slower. Try it on DoA some time. Try parrying while thinking about it, then try without thinking.

I've read different interpretations.
It's believed (Ninjitsu's history is very clouded) they were rebels who were oppressed in society, so they fought back in concealment. What reasons? I've heard Buddhism and also the Samurai's who saw them as a hostile counter culture. I don't think they were originally a class designed for people to hire as killers. I think they're goal was to topple the dominant culture through secret movement and fighting style, to avoid being caught and killed.


Just interesting trivia guys.
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The stereotypical ninja that continually wears easily identifiable black outfits (shinobi shozoku) comes from the Kabuki theater. [2] Prop handlers would dress in black and move prop around on the stage. The audience would obviously see the prop handlers but would pretend they were invisible. Building on that willing suspension of disbelief, ninja characters also came to be portrayed in the theater as wearing similar all-black suits. This either implied to the audience that the ninja were also invisible, or simply made the audience unable to tell a ninja character from the many prop handlers until the ninja character distinguished himself from the other stagehands with a scripted attack or assassination in the action of the play.
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Your right.

Kasumi escapes daily assassinations but she was captured by DOATEC? Bleh I dont buy it.

But Hayate however....maybe he was captured when he was crippled by Raidou?
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DOATEC's armed forces probably got lucky.
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They want Hayate and Kasumi because of their clan, I would guess. They think Hayabusa's clan is dead(he is the last, after all) and Ayane would not come to mind(being a part of the even MORE secret Hajin-mon). I would say Hayate's clan is the LAST clan of ninja in DoA, thus to make a super ninja, you would have to take the strongest of the clan, ie, the leader. Kasumi was probably cought in her attempt to free Hayate.

As for the Ninja being rebels, I have never heard anything of the sort(not like that matters lol, I don't find squat half the time), But it doesn't matter. Be they rebels, heroes, assasins, or idiots running around in pajamas, my points on emotion still hold. You just could not stay a secret if you let emotion get in the way. In everything I have always read, the ninja were masters of secrecy(why do you think their history is clouded?), and thus my point. No emotion.
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You don't look hard enough! =P

You'd have to have solid evidence that the Ninjas actually practiced Mushin (also, the date of the two topics may also be widely apart). Historians rarely have proof with details of Ninja's history.
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r) Just interesting trivia guys.

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The stereotypical ninja that continually wears easily identifiable black outfits (shinobi shozoku) comes from the Kabuki theater. [2] Prop handlers would dress in black and move prop around on the stage. The audience would obviously see the prop handlers but would pretend they were invisible. Building on that willing suspension of disbelief, ninja characters also came to be portrayed in the theater as wearing similar all-black suits. This either implied to the audience that the ninja were also invisible, or simply made the audience unable to tell a ninja character from the many prop handlers until the ninja character distinguished himself from the other stagehands with a scripted attack or assassination in the action of the play.


a) intuitive yet again. now i really feel old.....:(

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r) But Hayate however....maybe he was captured when he was crippled by Raidou?


b) and what's funny about this is even DOATEC forsaw the potential in Raidou (ayane's biological father), yet was such a "wild card" that even the company couldn't control him....period.

if it was me, failing at an attempt such as this, there's no way in hell i'd opt for another shot at creating this so-called "ultimate weapon". this is where "biological weapons" come in an kick the most @ss, and they're expendable to boot.
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Problem is, it's hard to use a bio weapon on someone invading your base, or whatever DOATEC uses as a base lol. I think that's the main reason for the clones.

Mushin has been around for quite some time though. Like I said before, you just CAN'T be a strong martial artist if you allow emotions to be involved. Look at any site that teaches martial arts, and you will find something on controlling your emotions and your mind.
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About the bomb thing, in her doa3 ending Kasumi released an energy ball(whatever you like to call it) not a ninja granade like Hayate did in Ayane's ending.
We have not seen much of kasumi's or Hayate's ninpos because they didn't have the opportunity,it doesn't mean they can't do it like Kasumi in Helena's ending, Alpha is too fast, Kasumi couldn't have time to release the ninpo and get her before she teleported.
and like i said just look at Kasumi's oboro zukyio

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About the bomb thing, in her doa3 ending Kasumi released an energy ball(whatever you like to call it) not a ninja granade like Hayate did in Ayane's ending.
We have not seen much of kasumi's or Hayate's ninpos because they didn't have the opportunity,it doesn't mean they can't do it like Kasumi in Helena's ending, Alpha is too fast, Kasumi couldn't have time to release the ninpo and get her before she teleported.
and like i said just look at Kasumi's oboro zukyio

:kas: :kok:

it's still ninja magic or ninpo. they all have it, no doubt about it. as for the alpha scenario, "genetically alterd weapons" still doesn't rule out the possibility that any form of ninpo couldn't be used by kasumi.

had it been hayabusa in her place, alpha would've received some sheer pwn@ge from him in seconds.
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Anyone really know WHAT Ninpo is anyway? I am 99% sure it is chi, and not some magic or mystical power from the gods or anything, but what is the meaning of the chanting? If there is any bit of truth(well, not truth, but whatever you want to say) to the way NG and DoA do things, it looks like something to help concentration(ryu didn't chat when he used to fireball or Inuzama, only when he started flying on the rock. Sadly, I still can't understand a bit of japanese, so I can't understand the chant. Any ideas?
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Anyone really know WHAT Ninpo is anyway? I am 99% sure it is chi, and not some magic or mystical power from the gods or anything, but what is the meaning of the chanting? If there is any bit of truth(well, not truth, but whatever you want to say) to the way NG and DoA do things, it looks like something to help concentration(ryu didn't chat when he used to fireball or Inuzama, only when he started flying on the rock. Sadly, I still can't understand a bit of japanese, so I can't understand the chant. Any ideas?

I think it's 75% Chi (40% internal&35%enviroment depending on the area)and 25% Physical power. :kas: :kasumi: As for the chanting it might be something similiar to what the Monks use to reach Enlightenment. It's not the words but the tones. :kas: :kasumi:
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Umm...just a few thing i thought i should point out and I'm sorry if it sounds rude (I'm trying not to be) but the reason why DOATEC went after Kasumi was because she won the first tournament. DOATEC was trying to design a ultimate fighter so they used the tournament as a way to gather strong fighters. after Kasumi won DOATEC probably decided to kidnap her and Hayate because they thought he was going to be leader. If someone else had won that tournament odds are Alpha-152 would have looked like that person instead.


Also Victorthebattousai I'm not sure about this but I herd it from a martial artist teacher that Ninjas used to be fallen Samurai and that their traing was originally based on how to bet Samurais.
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Yes, that sounds pretty good. The idea that the tournament is how they made the decision sounds good.

On the Ninja thing, I have never heard this. Not that that matters, most of my studies have been on Samurai, not Ninja. Here is what I know about the Ninja:

Very strong martial artists(thus why I feel so stronly on the idea of "no emotion" thing)

Excellent assasins, possibly the best of all time

Mostly wore black, not because of some uniform, but because most stealth operations are conducted at night, and thus black would be the best color to wear to blend in to the surroundings. But they probably wore other outfits, too. But not like Kasumi's lol.

There were both Male AND Female Ninja

They knew how to use many weapons

That's all lol.

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