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The Black Panther Party
Topic Started: Oct 3 2007, 01:00 AM (438 Views)
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What's y'alls opinions of the Black Panthers?
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Thats a good question. I understand the Black Panthers wanted to protect the rights of blacks, yet I always thought they were basically fighting fire with fire and promoting anti-white racism. I would never have supported them.
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I think there were probably some Panthers who supported that, but I don't think it was the overall opinion...otherwise I don't think there would have been the White Panthers helping the BPP.
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I view groups such as the Black Panthers as organizations that simply stir the pot. In the long run did they improve the way that white Americans looked upon the black community? It was not until civil rights activist began to speak in a peaceful fashion that the American public really listened to them. in my opinion the militant image of the Black Panthers did little to produce a positive reaction from the public.
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Oct 3 2007, 01:39 AM
I view groups such as the Black Panthers as organizations that simply stir the pot. In the long run did they improve the way that white Americans looked upon the black community? It was not until civil rights activist began to speak in a peaceful fashion that the American public really listened to them. in my opinion the militant image of the Black Panthers did little to produce a positive reaction from the public.

Yes, this is the general image of the BPP, in many eyes.

I astounded my friend/fellow student describing some of the social programs the Panthers had.
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The BPP had some rascists in their ranks but overall fought for black rights and equality.

People at the time called them rascists and extremists but in fact they were mostly a revolutionary socialist party that even had a good deal of whites in their ranks.

Hope my input helped
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Oct 3 2007, 01:51 AM
The BPP had some rascists in their ranks but overall fought for black rights and equality.

People at the time called them rascists and extremists but in fact they were mostly a revolutionary socialist party that even had a good deal of whites in their ranks.

Hope my input helped
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Yes, and many of the racist documents the Panthers were supposed to have written were forged by the FBI.
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From what I know, the original Black Panthers were a progressive movement of the African-American working class, but one not entirely without fault. However modern incarnations seemed to be more concerned with separatism and racial nationalism.
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Oct 3 2007, 08:19 PM
Red Scare
Oct 3 2007, 01:51 AM
The BPP had some rascists in their ranks but overall fought for black rights and equality.

People at the time called them rascists and extremists but in fact they were mostly a revolutionary socialist party that even had a good deal of whites in their ranks.

Hope my input helped
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Yes, and many of the racist documents the Panthers were supposed to have written were forged by the FBI.

Also the BPP neighborhood pancake breakfeast was one of the top watched events monitored the the FBI and CIA :P
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Oct 4 2007, 12:33 AM
From what I know, the original Black Panthers were a progressive movement of the African-American working class, but one not entirely without fault. However modern incarnations seemed to be more concerned with separatism and racial nationalism.

The New Black Panter Party is a discrace to evertying the real BPP stood for. the NBPP spouts racisms towards whites, along with black nationalism and black supremicy. They should in no way connect themselves to the original BPP.

On the subject of the original question: yes I would have supported the BPP. They made great strives in their community and helped fight racism and fought for african american rights. They used violence, but mainly only in self defence. The reason my so many people view them as racists and degenerates is because they were smeared all throughout the 60's-today.
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Oct 3 2007, 01:51 AM
The BPP had some rascists in their ranks but overall fought for black rights and equality.

People at the time called them rascists and extremists but in fact they were mostly a revolutionary socialist party that even had a good deal of whites in their ranks.

Hope my input helped
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Yes, and many of the racist documents the Panthers were supposed to have written were forged by the FBI.

Also the BPP neighborhood pancake breakfeast was one of the top watched events monitored the the FBI and CIA :P

I heard about that but you know how dangerous those pancakes can be :lol:
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Thats a good question. I understand the Black Panthers wanted to protect the rights of blacks, yet I always thought they were basically fighting fire with fire and promoting anti-white racism. I would never have supported them.

I don't understand. You would not support the rights of the black community to self-determination and self-defense against institutionalized racism? This is just what the Black Panther Party promoted.

The police and the FBI painted them as racist, gun-toting, violent thugs, but the Panthers never resorted to violence if they did not have to. It was usually the pigs who started it by illegally trying to search or arrest them (or simply just shooting at them).

The Panthers were not "anti-white" either. Huey P. Newton explained his reasoning for excluding whites from the party as not wanting to alienate the black community further than it already was. In his words, blacks and whites could never properly unite until blacks and blacks properly united. For this, he was labelled "anti-white" by white people.

However, Huey agreed to work closely with predominately white leftist organizations (he made various coalitions and alliances between them and the Black Panthers) and for this, he was accused of being too "pro-white" by many blacks. He was heavily criticised by all sides.
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I view groups such as the Black Panthers as organizations that simply stir the pot. In the long run did they improve the way that white Americans looked upon the black community? It was not until civil rights activist began to speak in a peaceful fashion that the American public really listened to them. in my opinion the militant image of the Black Panthers did little to produce a positive reaction from the public.

The Black Panthers could have cared less what mainstream white society thought of them; they didn't exist to appeal to the priveleged. Their goals were to unite and arm the black community against the infuriating discrimination they faced. They also ran and operated various survival programs (such as the free meals already mentioned). The Panthers were bringing blacks together and giving them hope and aid they could actually use.

The Black Panther Party for Self-Defense (and it's founders Huey P. Newton and Bobby Seale) are a continuing source of inspiration for me. They were truly revolutionary in every sense of the word. For those of you who are laregely unaware of their efforts, I strongly suggest you read up on them (I particularly recommend the biography Huey: Spirit of the Panther by David Hilliard).

Free Huey! :hammer:
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Oct 3 2007, 01:20 AM
Thats a good question. I understand the Black Panthers wanted to protect the rights of blacks, yet I always thought they were basically fighting fire with fire and promoting anti-white racism. I would never have supported them.

That is a complete historical farce.

The Black Panther party was a revolutionary socialist organization, and were in no way an anti-white, or racist organization.
That is indeed simply white-capitalist propaganda, which was and is used to smeer the Black Panther parties history, and to distort the reality of the Black Panther Party

Famous quote from Chairman Fred Hampton,

"We aint going to fight racism with racism: we're going to fight racism with solidarity.
You don't fight capitalism with black capitalism: you fight capitalism with socialism."

An old saying from P.E comes to mind with this shit,

DON'T BELIEVE THE HYPE!
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The only people here who have spoken truth to the Panthers are Proley and Proper Tea.

Yes, the Black Panther Party was a revolutionary Marxist-Leninist-Maoist vanguard party. I don't think that there has ever been such a revolutionary organization that really united inner-city black folk into a revolutionary force, although the CPUSA did do a great deal of things.
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