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The New Question; Tala's battle style
Topic Started: Nov 2 2005, 11:37 PM (1,233 Views)
Glaring_Dream
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Antares,Nov 21 2005
07:07 PM
'The New Question'?

...Pretty strange...but...it could catch on to something. I mean, when that Ice Goddess (I like to believe it's an Ice Goddess...) suddenly appears, you don't know if it's something beautiful or dangerous, without knowing. Then suddenly, Wolborg lashes out and attacks...

It...could have something to do with that, but who knows? Maybe the dubbers just couldn't think of anything 'cool' enough?



Now, I like that theory of the attack, 'Nova' and Rogue'. The dubbers, or whatever, might have just spiced the words up a little, to make it sound more..likable.

I dunno, to be honest. But that's just what I think...

It is indeed an ice goddess. And I agree. Beautiful or dangerous, but I feel it is both.
To me, this is symbolism. Snow is a very lovely thing. It's soft, it's divine. Like the goddess. It is two-sided, however. It is biting, it is ruthless, and not to mention lethal. Like Wolborg.
His attack being two-sided, this might mean that Tala himself is a little two-sided. Perhaps his harsh nature is not the only part of his personality. This might show that he has a more kind side that his hidden (obviously hidden).
I've also heard much speculation that this goddess is Shiva. You know, the one from Final Fantasy X. Not the one from Hinduism. The creators might have gotten that idea from her, but if asked they'd deny it for legal reasons. It might also be untrue, but it's still an interesting thing to think about.

Novae Rog is a town in Russia? I'll have to look that up. Why would they choose that town?
As for it meaning a New Horn......well, I can't that being significant.

As for the dubbers unable to think of anything cool, I disagree. Novae Rog sounds incredibly cool, especially when Tala commands for the icy death to strike his opponent.

It's also awesome how the beyblade is encased in ice and then something like the Matrix happens. You know, time stops and the camera spins around. That's incredibly cool and really puts emphasis on the deadliness of this attack.
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I don't know... To me, all the possibilities are, well, possible. But they don't sound like they fit the name right. Question? Rock? Horn? I never saw anything representing a rock or a horn or, God forbid, a question (haha) in the attack. But I decided to look at it from the english definition:

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Novae:
A star that suddenly becomes much brighter and then gradually returns to its original brightness over a period of weeks to years.

[New Latin (stlla) nova, new (star), nova, feminine of Latin novus, new. See newo- in Indo-European Roots.]

Rogue:
1. An unprincipled, deceitful, and unreliable person; a scoundrel or rascal.
2. One who is playfully mischievous; a scamp.
3. A wandering beggar; a vagrant.
4. A vicious and solitary animal, especially an elephant that has separated itself from its herd.
5. An organism, especially a plant, that shows an undesirable variation from a standard.

[Origin Unknown.]


I'm unsure of the Novae definition, if it even fits into the attack at all. But Rogue wise, vicious and solitary (lone wolf?) seem to fit pretty good with the attack and with Yuriy. He's not as intense of a loner as Kai, but according to Aoki, his past seems much worse than Kai's. Also, Rog only appears as an acronym in www.dictionary.com when I looked it up.

http://www.acronymfinder.com/af-query.asp?...act&Acronym=ROG
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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v34/Ziib...snorwayrock.jpg

>O

Novae = kinda sounds like Norway
Rog = Rock.

Norway's a cold place, right? Cold rocks. Ice rocks. There you go.
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...!!!

That actually sounds really plausible...

Maybe it was in the original, only it didn't sound like Norway Rock. xD
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If someone has the sound file, I could confirm this :

If Yuriy pronounces it 'Nooooooooorway Rog', it is possible, somehow, that the 'r' was 'crushed' under the long 'o'. And, for an unknown reason, they would have pronounced the 'w' as a 'v', even though it's not said that way in Japanese ...
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Kai-V,Dec 2 2005
02:05 PM
If someone has the sound file, I could confirm this :

If Yuriy pronounces it 'Nooooooooorway Rog', it is possible, somehow, that the 'r' was 'crushed' under the long 'o'. And, for an unknown reason, they would have pronounced the 'w' as a 'v', even though it's not said that way in Japanese ...

English and Japanese
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Kuznetsov,Dec 2 2005
04:20 PM
Kai-V,Dec 2 2005
02:05 PM
If someone has the sound file, I could confirm this :

If Yuriy pronounces it 'Nooooooooorway Rog', it is possible, somehow, that the 'r' was 'crushed' under the long 'o'. And, for an unknown reason, they would have pronounced the 'w' as a 'v', even though it's not said that way in Japanese ...

English and Japanese

Thank you.

Listening to this, and knowing how the 'r' is pronounced in Japanese, I think it's possible that Yuriy's attack is in fact Norway Rog ...
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Glaring_Dream
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My gosh! :angry:

Everyone, get off the whole "Norway Rock" thing. There is absolutely no reason as to why it would be that. First off, Tala is from Russia. Not Norway. Norway is cold. Russia is cold. Antarctica is cold. The USA midwest is cold in December. I have much doubt that it is about anyplace that is cold. Especially not Norway. I don't know about what the rest of you are hearing, but I have a Beyblade DVD (get off my back before you get on) with Tala in it and I've heard him repeatedly say "Novae Rog!" and the "v" is included when he calls for the attack.

I went to dictionary.com and came up with these results:

n. pl. noˇvae (-v) or noˇvas
A star that suddenly becomes much brighter and then gradually returns to its original brightness over a period of weeks to years.

Rog went into the dictionary, acronym finder, and translator (Russian to English) but nothing was found.

Hm. Kai's attack was supposed to be Blazing Gigus, but was cut to Blazing Gig. Perhaps Rog had once been Rogue, but also shortened for some unknown reason.

As for how the Japanese pronounce their r's, I still say that this attack has absolutely nothing to do with Norway.
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Roflmao. Oh, gee.

After finally being able to hear Jpn Tala again, I can explain it all quite easily. Novae Rog is NORWAY ROCK, you listen to the sound clip and it's freaking obvious. It is NOT a term in any language but PURE ENGLISH/Engrish. XD

@ Glaring Dream:
1. Norway is not that far away from Russia.
2. You say he can't have a non-Russian attack, while his team's dub name is not Russian either. It's German.
3. Your dub DVD proves nothing but Nelvana's mistranslation of the attack name, which was not even to be translated anyway since, as I said, it is ENGLISH.
4. Blazing Gigus Tempest was changed to Blazing Gigs because the u is silent in the original. Tempest is missing because... uh.. they were probably afraid of the timing, considering they kept cutting parts out of that particular attack...
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Zii,Dec 3 2005
01:37 AM
Roflmao. Oh, gee.

After finally being able to hear Jpn Tala again, I can explain it all quite easily. Novae Rog is NORWAY ROCK, you listen to the sound clip and it's freaking obvious. It is NOT a term in any language but PURE ENGLISH/Engrish. XD

@ Glaring Dream:
1. Norway is not that far away from Russia.
2. You say he can't have a non-Russian attack, while his team's dub name is not Russian either. It's German.
3. Your dub DVD proves nothing but Nelvana's mistranslation of the attack name, which was not even to be translated anyway since, as I said, it is ENGLISH.
4. Blazing Gigus Tempest was changed to Blazing Gigs because the u is silent in the original. Tempest is missing because... uh.. they were probably afraid of the timing, considering they kept cutting parts out of that particular attack...

Well, if that just isn't rude.

Okay, Zii.

1. I'm not 13, idiot. I know geography like the back of my hand considering it was one of my majors before moving on to English. Not Engrish as you so love to put it.

2. You put words in my mouth. I never said you he couldn't have a non-Russian attack. There's just absolutely no reason he should be saying Norway rocks. The Blitzkreig Boys have always, many times, struck fans as being very proud of their country. As we all know, Tala is from Russia. And I know that blitzkreig is German. It means an all-out attack by land, sea, and air forces. I believe it came about in WW II...

3. As for the u being silent in Gigus, that's just not possible. What about the s following? It is simply the way the Japanese pronounce words. Accent, that's all. The thing is, Tala is Russian and would actually have a Russian accent. With a Japanese accent, the VA couldn't help saying the word as he did. When it comes to the Japanese and the English versions of it, everything simply comes down to accent. Simple.
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Glaring_Dream,Dec 2 2005
11:43 PM
1. I'm not 13, idiot. I know geography like the back of my hand considering it was one of my majors before moving on to English. Not Engrish as you so love to put it.

If you read more carefully, you would understand that what Zii was trying to emphasize by saying "Engrish" was that the Japanese pronunciation for English "L" and "R" sounds are the same. Therefore, the way they pronounce the first word of the attack could very well have been "Norway."

Discussions are discussions. Disagreement shouldn't be taken offensively or personally. ._.;
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lyrikkal,Dec 3 2005
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Glaring_Dream,Dec 2 2005
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1. I'm not 13, idiot. I know geography like the back of my hand considering it was one of my majors before moving on to English. Not Engrish as you so love to put it.

If you read more carefully, you would understand that what Zii was trying to emphasize by saying "Engrish" was that the Japanese pronunciation for English "L" and "R" sounds are the same. Therefore, the way they pronounce the first word of the attack could very well have been "Norway."

Discussions are discussions. Disagreement shouldn't be taken offensively or personally. ._.;

Lyrikkal, I read just fine. However, if you were to read carefully you would have read the emphasis I put on accents.

My DVD has dub and original. I have just recently (as in five minutes ago) listened to each very carefully and came to a conclusion.

The accents DO make a difference. When Japanese Tala said the attack, it mildly resembled Norway Rocks. However, that is the Japanese accent. His attack is just as it says on the big screen: Novae Rog.

Another thing, when people are saying a word that is not part of their language they change the way it is said without meaning to. That's just pure accent. For example, people who can speak with a Spanish accent would say burro differently than others.

Novae Rog is not part of the Japanese language, so it would come out sounding differently than it was meant to sound. I'm not saying that anyone's accents are terrible. It's just that IT'S ALL ABOUT ACCENTS. If Tala had the Russian accent he was supposed to (no stereotyping, please), the pronunciation would come out differently than the Japanese.
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Norway rocks


Not once did I ever add an s to the end of the attack name. I say Norway ROCK as in a rock from Norway, or a cold rock or an ice rock (like I said a few posts ago) which fits the attack perfectly fine.

The U in Japanese is often silent. Ex. Sasuke isn't pronounced sasookay, it's sasskay. Sorry that's the first thing that comes to mind ^^; If your DVDs are Jpn too then do you hear Kai pronounce the U?

Engrish is the borking up of English via Japanese accents and/or translation errors. It's not me taking a stab at anybody.

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when people are saying a word that is not part of their language they change the way it is said without meaning to.

Which is why Norway Rock and Novae Rog sound similar. The thing is, one of them doesn't make any bloody sense. It cannot be translated very well and when it is, it sounds like it has absolutely nothing to do with what it's used for. Which one is that? Hmm...
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Zii, if they meant Norway Rock then don't you think they would have put Norway Rock? And what other proof is there backing up that it actually means Norway Rock? Like I've said, Tala is very proud of his country and him using an attack with a country he has no relation to is just ridiculous.

I read manga and am, of course, into anime. I know how to properly pronounce things.

Novae is a word with a real meaning, so it seems quite stupid to say "Novae... Norway!"
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It's obviously walls talking to walls, here.

Give me something that sounds far more plausible than Norway Rock. That's all.
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