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| Data daemons?; Anybody got more info on them? | |
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| Malika | 1 Apr 2015, 07:32 PM Post #1 |
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Hi! Lately I've gotten rather intrigued by the Dark Mechanicum. I remember there was some mention of 'Data Daemons' in one of the old BL books. So what are they exactly? Is there any info on them? And more importantly: what do they look like? Thanks! |
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| Alexander | 6 Apr 2015, 05:51 PM Post #2 |
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Is this the same as scrap-code? I guess an advanced computer virus would be similar to some minor daemonic entity. |
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| Inquisitor Kallus | 24 Jan 2016, 01:28 AM Post #3 |
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There are Logis Daemons which are described in Dark Heresy publication Creatures Anathema. Sometimes the very shape or movement of objects can can excite the tides of the warp and allow entities to pass through. Certain configurations of rods, spindles and other structures can bring forth daemons when manipulated in certain ways. Thus, these daemons inhabit objects but also aim to slay people and will use them as 'limbs'. They use ribbons of power, like electricity but made of warp energy. |
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| Dawnrunner | 1 Nov 2016, 06:24 PM Post #4 |
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Minor threadomancy, but I'll chip in. The data daemons mentioned in that BL book were mostly a one-off, I think...a freak accident that occurred when the sentient master program within a Titan STC was corrupted by warp exposure. It gained a few more powers and abilities, like being able to manipulate warp-matter to project itself beyond the physical STC housing in multiple daemonic avatars. It was still primarily motivated to fulfill its function of creating Titans, but took a lot more "proactive" role in doing so. When a living being ascends to daemonhood and sheds their mortal flesh, the newly bodiless soul takes on a new form created of warp-matter and held together by will. When an AI or "machine spirit" ascends, the program itself becomes the soul equivalent and transcends the physical confinement of whatever machine it previously inhabited to take a new form all its own. I'd think achieving daemonhood requires a great deal more true sapience and self-awareness than most programs are capable of, however. On the other hand, sufficient warp exposure can do a lot, and there are numerous lesser daemon-forms that personify the simpler and more basic mortal instincts and feelings, so who knows? All I'm sure of is that rogue and even warp-tainted machine spirits are not necessarily "daemons," they're just data and programs acting beyond their original remit. It's like the difference between Skynet and an actual daemon possessing a machine. The latter is exemplified in the Irradial Cogitators mentioned in the DW book Mark of the Xenos. As for the former, in the DH book Creatures Anathema there's something called a "schismatical" that definitely might result from warp taint, but might also just as easily be a "natural" corruption of program data akin to natural (though excessive) mutation in a living being: "...within the depths of ancient cogitator cores lurk malign data spirits--the schismaticals. A schismatical is a memory-cloud of suppressed ideas, an archive of heretical data that should have been destroyed, a folio of vile plans and whispers that has acquired forbidden volitional urges. It incorporates data-patterns by which other machine spirits can be rapidly corrupted into echoes of itself, and so the predatory schismatical awaits one unlucky machine spirit trespasser that it consumes and supplants so as to bear it to the forge world above. Once free, a schismatical rampantly converts an army of machine spirits to its cause. It creates machine covens populated by its echoes, each of which is an independent schismatical in its own right. Any vox-aware device can be converted via broadcast, while others require the use of dataconduit links. Any Mechanicus device governed by a cogitator can contain some echo of the full schismatical. Simpler devices fall under the schismatical's sway in its presence, but are too simple to house its essence: voxcasters, augmetic limbs, elevators, auto-doors, weapons, servitor components, and manufactory power-manipulators, to name but a few. A schismatical device cannot accomplish any more than it was already capable of, but that is more than enough on a forge world filled with heavily augmented tech-adepts, servitors, and cogitators...The minds of tech-adepts are the last to convert; there the schismatical must persuade, threaten, or drive mad. But it does not really need men--only the machines they have created. Schismaticals imprison unwilling tech-adepts within their own treacherous augmetic enhancements, dragging them screaming and weeping into battle when the schismaticals must defend themselves." |
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