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| High Elves - noob tactics; A new player of fantasy and high elves looking for some advice... | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: 2 Jul 2010, 02:17 PM (3,872 Views) | |
| Liquid-Joshi | 2 Jul 2010, 02:17 PM Post #1 |
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Hi, as a new fantasy player, I was wondering what units I should be looking at for high elves at 1000 points, bearing in mind the new points system (Up to 25% for lords and heroes, specials and rares, 25% or higher for core units) I was thinking about this kind of list: L&H: Alith Anar Core: 10 Spearmen 10 Archers 15 Lothern sea guard Special: 15 swordmasters or phoenix guard Rare: 2 repeater bolt throwers That leaves 50 for magic items, etc. Is this a good list, or is there a problem(s) with it? |
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| Brambleten | 2 Jul 2010, 04:22 PM Post #2 |
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I would say that as Awesome as Alith Anar is, drop him. he's too many points at 1k. just because you can spend 250 points on a single character (or close to that), doesnt mean you have to. I'd go for a noble armed with great weapon and Armour of Caledor for a much cheaper and reliable option, so thats 118 not 245. I'd also take a level 1 mage with Guardian Phoenix for 125 points. thats almost the same for 2 Characters as it is for Anar, and they can be stuck in units and still be effective, where as I feel that Anar needs to be on his own or in Shadow Warriors. The Spearmen unit is too small, so I'd probably drop the archers and bulk the Spearmen to 15, giving them and the seaguard command if they havent got it. for Specials, its a coin toss between the two you picked out. Phoenix guard are slow and steady with their fear causing abilties and their ward saves, whilst the swordmasters will chop through pretty much anything. if they get to combat. (hence including the mage to walk behind them casting Shield of Saphery on them every turn). Bolt Throwers are good, and with the remaining 50 I'd be tempted to put in an eagle to try and take out enemy warmachines and stop marches. |
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| Liquid-Joshi | 5 Jul 2010, 05:21 PM Post #3 |
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Ah... too late before i read the reply I already bought Alith and 16 sea guard. Any advice? |
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| Brambleten | 5 Jul 2010, 06:57 PM Post #4 |
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You could try using my suggestions apart from the characters and using Alith instead and seeing if it works |
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| Liquid-Joshi | 7 Jul 2010, 05:44 PM Post #5 |
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Right, second list: Lords: Alith Anar (245) Heroes:n/a Core: 16 lothern seaguard w/ shields (208) 16 spearmen (144) special: 5 swords masters or 5 phoenix guard (75 ((either combination)) rare: 2 repeater bolt throwers (200) Which is 872 points in total. Note that i do not have to use Alith, as purchasing nobles, mages, etc is still possible, as the challenge does not start until September. |
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| Brambleten | 7 Jul 2010, 06:13 PM Post #6 |
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add another 5 phoenix guard to the unit and add command to each of the core units. should take you to just under 1k
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| Liquid-Joshi | 11 Jul 2010, 06:57 PM Post #7 |
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So thats 10 phoenix guard and command for ocre units. What does command even do? another list, this time long term (1500-1600 points) designed to work with the battalion, but perhaps this is too farfetched? Anyway, here it is: Lords= Alith Anar= 245 Max- Archmage= 250 Heroes= mage- 100 (note: im not sure how lords and heroes work points wise, so i'll use the combination suggested earlier) core= 16 achers- 176 16 spearmen- 144 16 sea guard- 208 [over 250 {+278 Special= lion chariot- 140 5 swordmasters- 75 (sorry, but I prefer these to phoenix guard. ) 8 silver helms- 368 up to [500 Rare= 2* repeater bolt throwers- 200 [ 250 Total= 1556 [points] Note that up to 50% (in this case 500) of points can be spent in specials. |
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| Brambleten | 11 Jul 2010, 09:47 PM Post #8 |
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command makes the units look cool ![]() it also does somethings in game terms - champion: gives you a single guy with a slightly better profile than the rest of the guys. unless majorly changed in 8th edition, they can accept and declare challenges. standard bearer - provides an extra point of combat resolution and in some cases allows for a magic banner to be bought. also worth noting that if the enemy kills the unit in combat and/or runs them down, they get victory points for the banner. muscian - apparently these have been changed for 8th ed, but in 7th ed they added an extra point of combat res if it was tied, and added one to the leadership value you had to beat to rally the unit if they had previously fled. The swordmasters you just need to be careful with. they only have 5+ saves, and at T3 if anything shoots at them they are liabel to die. you cant do much with an archmage at this points level, so its not really worth it. if you want a lord at this level, go for Anar or a combat character and just take a mage as a hero. level 2 mage with a couple of dispell scrolls should be enough defence below 2000, especially with the drain magic spell and the +1 to dispel a High Elf Mage gives. You have to be careful with the chariot as well. as cool as they look, they will be taken out by handguns, especially as they cannot march so move at a slightly slower pace than your main infantry. for the infantry, I would drop the archers to 10 and then boost either the spearmen or the seaguard with the extra men if you have the points to. remember - as a high elf in 8th ed, you have the elite army special rule - you dont have a limit on the number of duplicate choices you can take, you just have to stick to the points limit. |
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| Liquid-Joshi | 21 Jul 2010, 07:00 PM Post #9 |
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A sudden chang of events, i will be getting the new blood-island-of-epic-killing-and-such. Lots of high elf nasties, including a mage, griffon mounted prince (or noble) new archers and spearmen, swordmasters and reaver horsemen. All new models, thats the plan. All come with command, too.
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| Davian thule | 9 Aug 2010, 09:49 AM Post #10 |
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liquid does this mean that you will be understrength for month 1? |
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| Liquid-Joshi | 29 Aug 2010, 02:49 PM Post #11 |
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Nope- Island of blood release on September 4th means ill have enough high elves for month one. |
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| Dragon Hunter | 29 Aug 2010, 03:32 PM Post #12 |
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Nice Going Mr. Yoshi, looked at the set, your gettin some nice models! |
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| # Captain Wolverine | 29 Aug 2010, 03:46 PM Post #13 |
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Don't forget 1000 points needs to be painted too. |
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| Liquid-Joshi | 11 Sep 2010, 01:01 PM Post #14 |
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Right, I need a 1000 point list using the new force organisation rules (25% lords, 25% heroes, etc) here is what i have in total Lords: Alith Anar Prince on griffon prince on griffon Archmage Archmage Heroes: N/A, ill explain my plans for this slot later Core: 36 seaguard/ spearmen/ archers. Can mix and match (hopefully), but bigger is better now, so i plan to keep them as seaguard. special: 20 swordmasters 10 ellyrian reavers All with full command. Keep in mind there is a 25% core minimum and 50% special maximum. I have a vague plan, but does anyone have any suggestions? |
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| Davian thule | 11 Sep 2010, 01:53 PM Post #15 |
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well liquid, in 1000 points id try to fit in as many heroes as possible, alith is too expensive in a 1000 point game, seagsurd mixed with archers and reavers should give you a nice balance of range and melee, hope this helps |
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| Brambleten | 11 Sep 2010, 04:33 PM Post #16 |
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you cant get a prince on gryphon in at 1k at all, the prince is 150 basic and then add a 200 point gryphon and you are well over your 250 point maximum. When i get a little more time i'll post something constructive ![]() right, if thats the stuff you have, here is what i would run Lord Prince with Reaver bow, armour of caledor, luckstone and shield (us Alith Anar, I'll explain the "shield" below) 223 Hero Level 2 mage with scroll and seed of rebirth 165 Core 30 Seaguard with shields and command 415 Special 5 Reavers with bows and spears 105 5 Reavers with bows 95 1003 ok, so now swordmasters which is a problem. for the lord, using Anar as the model would work as its a bow character. The shield doesnt confer any armour save bonus (due to the armour of caledor being at best 2+), but it does give the parry save in melee, which is close enough to Alth's stone of midnight ward save. In fairness, i would probably drop the lord and put in 10 swordmasters with command and the Gleaming Pendant standard (185), up the reavers with bows to have spears as well (10) and that should leave you at 995. Edited by Brambleten, 11 Sep 2010, 05:29 PM.
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| Liquid-Joshi | 13 Sep 2010, 06:25 PM Post #17 |
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Brambleten, you are a legend. I think I can take it from here. Thanks again. |
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| Liquid-Joshi | 1 Nov 2010, 11:16 AM Post #18 |
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Just an update on my 1600 point list, for the clarification of the group: Lords and heroes: Alith Anar. 245 Mage Lv2 with the silver wand, dusk jewel. 150 Core: 30 sea guard w/ full command, Lion standard. 425 Special: 5 Ellyrian reavers w/ bows 95 5 Ellyrian reavers w/ bows 95 10 swordmastersw/ full command and the amulet of light. 193 10 swordmasters. 150 5 Shadow warriors. 75 Rare: Bolt thrower. 100 Bolt thrower. 100 1602 points, all legal points wise, points allocated as per the main rulebook. (e.g. 25% lords and heroes, 50% rare, etc). Edited by Liquid-Joshi, 6 Nov 2010, 03:47 PM.
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