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[TREK] The Neutral Zone; My foray into Star Trek Wargaming
Topic Started: 2 May 2010, 07:12 PM (2,568 Views)
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12 Aug 2011, 10:24 PM
It's a start, at least! I showed it to my friend Darren, who will be playing these games with me (my other usual compatriot doesn't really like Star Trek at all...) and he's pretty pleased.

PC Dave: I'd love to play Dominion War, and in a way it's one of the best settings for massed Trek gameplay - the Federation, Klingons and Romulans massing against the Dominion/Cardassian/Breen alliance. In honour of that, have a youtube video! In truth, DS9 is probably my favourite of the Trek series - but one of the reasons we're playing in the TOS era is nostalgia - though having decent models is part of it, obviously.
Sorry to necro the thread a bit, but did some one say Dominion War? :)

Pictures stolen from my best friends wargaming blog. Was a game we played a while back. All models are in 1/8000 scale and are the product of about a decade of his work and searching.

And yes, that is a Dominion Battleship in the middle of our table... (4 pounds worth of resin in that badboy). Only about a quarter of his collection is on the table for this battle.

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Edited by F!re$torm, 13 Dec 2011, 10:38 PM.
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Very cool! Your friend seems to have suffered from the huge variation in scale, though - on the Federation side, his Nebula- and Akira-class vessels seem too large, and his Excelsior-class ships seem too small! Still, that's a fantastic game, and on a scale I doubt I'll be able to match. At the moment, I have three Federation vessels and two Klingon ones! Still, I think it could make an entertaining skirmish game.
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# Captain Wolverine
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14 Dec 2011, 06:03 AM
Very cool! Your friend seems to have suffered from the huge variation in scale, though - on the Federation side, his Nebula- and Akira-class vessels seem too large, and his Excelsior-class ships seem too small! Still, that's a fantastic game, and on a scale I doubt I'll be able to match. At the moment, I have three Federation vessels and two Klingon ones! Still, I think it could make an entertaining skirmish game.
I'd say size of the nebula, akira and excelsior are about right. Sorry had to check me old and udsty trekkie library to make sure :D
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I'm not convinced - if you look in the picture above, the Nebula looks larger than the Galaxy (even taking into account foreshortening) - odd, when you consider that the Nebula's saucer is supposed to be the same as the Galaxy.

The DS9 technical manual gives the Nebula's length as 442.23m, the Akira's at 464.43m and the Excelsior's as 511.25m; the Galaxy is said to be 642.5m. The Akira model up there looks to be the same rough size as the Nebula and the Galaxy - I don't think it should be. I'm also looking at this - perhaps I was just surprised to see the Excelsiors seeming so small!
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# Captain Wolverine
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the excelsoir is long but small.

th above picture aint great but if we saw it from abve you'd see what I was talking about.

A nebula has a larger saucer compared to galaxy but only a little
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A couple models are off scale by maybe 1-2mm, but most are as close as you will get to having a whole project in 1/8000 scale..

If we use the trusty super website Daystrom Institute of Technology (http://www.ditl.org/indexmain.php)

Excelsior Dimensions:

Length : 467 m
Beam : 185 m
Height : 100 m
Decks : 28

Nebula:

Length : 442.23 m
Beam : 318.11 m
Height : 130.43 m
Decks : 32

Galaxy:

Length : 641 m
Beam : 470 m
Height : 145 m
Decks : 42

As with the models themselves, the Excelsior is a little bit longer then the Nebula, but the Nebula is quite a bit "fatter". The Galaxy and Nebula actually share the same saucer sections and in the Television show, they were kitbashes of each other.
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Nice looking stuff in that battle report where did he get the Dominion fighters?
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I'm surprised they were still usign Excelsiors and Miranda classes by the time ofthe Dominion Wars? Granted, I'm not a huge Trek fan, but it seems like those would have had an exceptionally long service life.
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Well, if you look at the stats, the Excelsior can hold its own against a lot of other warships. Its not as powerful as say... a Vor'cha, but they are still really nasty. There are three variants of the Excelsiors, the standard one that dates back to after "The Voyage Home", in which the whole "trans-warp drive" project was scrapped. The Excelsior-B variant was designed to fight against cloaked Klingon ships, like the Bird of Prey that could fire while cloaked. The last is the Lakota subtype, which was a heavily upgraded variant for war, but Starfleet would later find out that a Defiant-class ship was better, cheaper to make and needed a whole lot less crew.

The Miranda-class... well they just sucked by the Dominion War. By the war, they were well over 200 years old, and while have been upgraded, they were still crap. In game terms, they are popcorn.... They have nice firepower, but implode when sneezed at. The only reason they were still being used by the Dominion War was that Starfleet did not have enough ships and had to ether can decommissioning ships or pulling hulls out of mothball.

ANNND the Dominion Attack Ships are scratch build and cast by a buddy of ours.
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And here I was thinking Sovereign class was much bigger than the Galaxy...
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I managed to find an AMT K7 Space Station for our Trek gaming:

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I put it together this morning. What an awful kit! It certainly gave me an appreciation for the precision-tooled GW kits. Comparing this to the GW Valkyrie, for example, leaves both of them worlds apart.

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You might recognise K7 from the episodes The Trouble with Tribbles and Trials and Tribble-ations. It's very 60s-retro, which fits for our TOS campaign.

Here's some pictures of the assembled model, with the ships we're planning on using for scale:

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Pretty cool find!
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A very cool find. I like that a lot. Glad to see this moving forward mate.
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