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Legion of the damned; enquiry
Topic Started: 28 Jan 2010, 01:58 PM (1,197 Views)
# dean
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The Antipope
29 Jan 2010, 07:01 PM
It's precisely this reason that Apocalypse exists, to allow people to take non-orthodox forces. But I just don't think it's fair at all to start throwing names at a (large) group of people who enjoy playing 40k/Fantasy, as it is meant to be played.
Ap has a point here. But as a counterpoint and directly to your concern here is would you rather face 3 units of WolfGuard or 2 units of WG and one of LotD. The choices get even muddier if you arent dealing with an unbalanced Force org chart with 2 troops 2 HQ and 3 Elites at say 1500 points...

I find that elites are a touch overpriced anyway and would allow it..

I'm not making my point very well. sorry...
Edited by dean, 29 Jan 2010, 08:34 PM.
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☺The Antipope
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But wanting to adhere to the rules doesn't mean you are in to win at all costs, it just means you want to be in with a chance. The so called 'Power-Gamer' is an entirely different breed of person to somebody who just wants to make sure that everything is fair. I personally don't care a jot whether I win or not, but I do like to feel like I've got a chance of doing so at least and I believe that adhering to the system is the way to make sure that happens.

I know Chess is an unfair example so I'll try another one that me and my friends in our little group actually discussed out. In the present Tau Empire book you can only take Commander Shadowsun in a game of so many-plus points, whereas in other more recent books it's quite possible to take Ghazghkul Thraka, Marneus Calgar etc. in any force with no such restrictions. We decided that if it was possible to take a Chapter Master or the Galaxies most notorious Warboss in a force of any size, then Shadowsun could be taken by a Tau force of any size. The restriction placed on her was indicative of the style of play that was accepted at the time that the Tau codex came out, a style that has since been superceded.

In my opinion though it's not acceptable to 'port in' very powerful units from other codexes then start alternately calling people names or saying that people who'd say no are somehow not fun/in it to win at all costs/tourny fags or whatever who don't happen to agree with a particular point of view.

The original poster asked what people would think to it and many provided a perfectly acceptable 'It's OK' viewpoint. If it's Ok for them then that's fine but the minute someone pipes up and says, quite reasonably I add, that 'No, actually I wouldn't be alright with that' then people start slinging mud and making silly comments.

It's not a case of not having fun, it's not a case of being unpleasant and it's not a case of BAWZ11 I WANTZ TEH WIN111. It's just a case of different people drawing lines in different places which after all is exactly what the original poster asked for.
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# Captain Wolverine
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Not having a go just like just state my feelings about the point.

I have had nasty experiences with, RAW gamers, power gamers and cheats (when I started out too almost turn me right off).

Cos of that I refuse to play anyone of these type of people, and also will never play in any kind of tounie as I know I will meet at least one of these type of gamers, and I don't have enough hair to lose arguing with them.

But as Pope said it is all down to the group you play with, I play with people more than to happy to bend rules, some of them a litle mor ethan I am happy with.

So just ask your friends if they don't mind if not just use your marines as codex or just stamp your feet.

Oh here's not hornets nest I hate WYSIWYG and will quite happy slap people who try and enforce it on me when I am playing for fun and not playing a serious game :D
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You make me feel like a right Nazi. WYSIWYG is strictly in force in my house. :)
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# Captain Wolverine
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Lets make a rule never to play against each other. We would wind each other up, you being to stiff and me being to lose. (no dirty jokes intended)
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Well, it's unlikely to happen anyway seeing as you live on Craggy island. TBH I'd play you and play by your house rules, I'm flexible enough to want to play against nicely painted forces of which you have many.
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# Captain Wolverine
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never know I plan to move off IoW asap so may end up being able to attend things :D . I never play enough, for me I play every nw and again to justify the fortune I have spent, to make sure I don't get to rusty with the rules and to just see how units play and if I played strictly by the rules some of the unit I had to buy would never get used as I don't own any codex marines
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What actually happens on the Isle of Wight? Do the 12 inhabitants throw rocks at the Moon to make it go away so the Sun comes back? Or travel in longships across the water to find one of the great wheeled beasts, with eyes that burn like Hades itself and attempt to slay it? Do the legends tell of the smoke that bellows from behind the beasts, blacker than the heart of Satan himself? I imagine you wearing hubcaps round your neck as trophies or something.
Edited by The Antipope, 31 Jan 2010, 10:30 PM.
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# Captain Wolverine
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if you ever meant my neighbour you'd believe that true.
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I think I actually went when I was a kid. It seemed alright then. But then so did lot's of things when I was a kid like my Uncle Terry touching me in my special place...

Edited by The Antipope, 31 Jan 2010, 10:32 PM.
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Davian thule
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I wouldnt think so as they are not in a wolves codex, however most gamers might let you use them in normal games
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31 Jan 2010, 07:04 PM
What actually happens on the Isle of Wight? Do the 12 inhabitants throw rocks at the Moon to make it go away so the Sun comes back? Or travel in longships across the water to find one of the great wheeled beasts, with eyes that burn like Hades itself and attempt to slay it? Do the legends tell of the smoke that bellows from behind the beasts, blacker than the heart of Satan himself? I imagine you wearing hubcaps round your neck as trophies or something.
Nah we just sacrifice a small child to the great god imhotep :D
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I'll let you use them provided you don't mind me changing my list to include a psycannon or two ^_^
A psycannon toting inquisitor with a mystic could kill three immeditely after they land. But they do look nice ^_^
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31 Jan 2010, 07:04 PM
What actually happens on the Isle of Wight? Do the 12 inhabitants throw rocks at the Moon to make it go away so the Sun comes back? Or travel in longships across the water to find one of the great wheeled beasts, with eyes that burn like Hades itself and attempt to slay it? Do the legends tell of the smoke that bellows from behind the beasts, blacker than the heart of Satan himself? I imagine you wearing hubcaps round your neck as trophies or something.
The longships only come out so we can hunt down the yachty types and sink them for being so full of themselves and arrogant to the locals. (And for carrying such stupidly big bags on the ferries when I'm commuting to work/uni/GW Southampton/home etc) :P

And only the chavs have the hubcaps, the Portsmouth chavs sell on their stolen goods to them. ;)

The best comment I ever had from anyone when explaining where I come from was

Question: "Do they have cars?"

My reply: "Yes, its about 15 miles by 30 miles with 130,000 people, so there are roads."

Question: "Do they have petrol stations then?"



Now at this point I wish I had come up with a really witty retort, but the truth is, I was so stunned, I really couldn't reply with much more than "Um, yeah, we have cars so.."



On a more "on-topic" note, I'm with Anti-pope - I wouldn't be happy to play against the army, or at least would do so only after establishing in my own mind that no matter the result, I'd have already won as my opponant wasn't giving me a level playingfield.

Like AP - I'm all for fun, and I'm not a rules nazi (I hope), but I believe that the rules are there to keep it fair, otherwise why have the codices at all, just assign points to every unit and let people have free range. They're intended to balance as a whole army, not as individual units (leaving aside the issue of GW's impartiality or codex-creep), so I'd prefer to keep it that way.

As for the FW issue, I've never faced any, but I'd hope that they're designed in the spirit of those army codices and therefore not imbalanced too much, but I do think of them as more of an Apoc scale item than a small game one, simply due to the testing and balance being more limited.

Edit: Oh and I'm a fan of WYSIWYG as much as possible (ok powerfields, pistols and such can be glossed over) - if only from too much experience playing Necromunda in GW Southampton against kiddies who had gangs with no arms at all, making it impossible to remember weapons combinations and ruining it as a result. And I abide by it even though I can't (and usually won't even attempt) conversions - limiting my army choice to available models in the name of fair play.
Edited by Gallows Bait, 25 Mar 2010, 01:25 PM.
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Legion of the Damned are a pretty bad unit choice in game terms, so I think most people wouldn't mind you taking them in a Wolves list. Especially if those points could have gone to a much more horrible Thunderwolf unit!
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You could use them i guess, but they really belong to a codex space marine army. And by the way the Isle of wight is a great place to live!!!
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