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| Future Ammobuker Competitions; Your opinions and sugestions. | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: 16 Oct 2009, 05:50 PM (1,226 Views) | |
| marcineczek0 | 17 Oct 2009, 03:56 PM Post #21 |
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Well this is a very good point. To be honest I never thought of that. You are right, it might become a competition just for very small group of painters. I myself always have to think twice befor posting my mini on Coolminiornot.com with all the Golden Deamon winners and amazing european painters. People might get discouraged to even start in the competition. But than again it could motivate people to try something new and different to raise their skils. I wouldm't think of entering a mini painting competition year or two agao but I know I've got a little better over the time. Mostly because I started to show my work on Ammobunker. (so thanks). We won't know it if we don't try... |
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| marcineczek0 | 17 Oct 2009, 04:08 PM Post #22 |
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Sorry for double posting but I think I messed up with the Poll. It seems that my poor english got the best of me again. "Mini of the month" with other categories in between (got the most votes so far) - What I ment by it was that we would have a "Mini of the Month " but sometimes we would make a terrain/diorama/tank Instead of "Mini of the Month" "Mini of the month" separate from other categories (every 2 months) - By this I ment that we would have a Monthly "Mini of the Month" competition and every two months we would have Terrain/diorama/Tank competition separate from the "Mini of the Month" If I confused you... Sorry! |
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| ☺The Antipope | 17 Oct 2009, 04:29 PM Post #23 |
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I actually agree. Contrary to what Digits said, surely the raft of great painters on here would encourage others to raise the bar. That is what the meaning of 'competition' is surely. Otherwise you are talking about a scenario where say top athletes are not allowed to compete, simply by dint of having trained. The fact that there is already a high standard on the site sets the bar, people will have to raise that bar to compete. I know for a fact, speaking as a painter who can be highly competent, that I would have to raise my game in order to compete with the likes of Warpy, Dominus, alextheartist etc. So why shouldn't everyone else have to. People don't get put off when entering Golden Demon, instead they practice, learn, read and in turn enrich their skills. Nobody complains that there is no point in entering because others are better, or at least if they do they are being churlish. To my mind, a competition is a competition. You have to compete to win and only the best are victorious. Frankly if X person isn't good enough, then they should work hard to get better. I've worked hard to be as good as I am and I know there are others on the site who have worked ten times harder than me so why shouldn't everyone else? I'd rather have a competition where 20 fantastic miniatures are entered than one were 50 bad to average ones are entered because of some ridiculous need for concessions. This would result in beautiful competitions full of really rather stunning miniatures. That's good for the Ammobunker. What's more it would be a great potential resource that those less experienced could learn from, again good for the Ammobunker. Saying that 'A minority of painters would have success' does disservice not only to the site (which I believe has more than a minority of great painters), it also does disservice to the willingness of others to learn. What's wrong with a high standard competition. It would encourage someone to look at an entry that otherwise they would think of as 'finished' to push their entry further in order to compete. There's that word again, 'compete' as in competition. Edited by The Antipope, 17 Oct 2009, 05:42 PM.
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| marcineczek0 | 17 Oct 2009, 04:49 PM Post #24 |
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Antipope, You made me read a lot!! I agree in 120% (like they say in America). From me I might add that it would be, what, Like 5-6 months befor we know that it's becoming less and less popular... I say, let's just try something different and see how it goes. |
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| Novogord | 17 Oct 2009, 04:59 PM Post #25 |
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Well I must that I'm interested. I'm also glad for the poll to be explained, it was a little confusing for me. Looking forward to see this happened. |
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| # Marovian | 17 Oct 2009, 05:08 PM Post #26 |
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I think you've won me round, regular competitions might force me to raise my game so I say we should go with it. Variety is going to be the key though, whilst keeping the scope fairly wide. |
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| alextheartist | 17 Oct 2009, 05:11 PM Post #27 |
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I think a good rule would be that the mini had to be painted in that month, I know I have a backlog of nicely painted stuff so it would make it fairer for everyone. Thanks for the props there Ricky
Edited by alextheartist, 17 Oct 2009, 05:11 PM.
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| ☺highmarshaldave | 17 Oct 2009, 05:12 PM Post #28 |
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Exactly, stick to the current rules regarding comps, just shift the theme. Dave out. |
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| ☺The Antipope | 17 Oct 2009, 05:40 PM Post #29 |
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I didn't mean to get on a high horse there chaps and I'm sorry if it came off like that. Of course, only minis painted that month should be entered. I'm glad that my rather impassioned post made my point. And Marce, I'm sorry for making you read.
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| marcineczek0 | 17 Oct 2009, 06:01 PM Post #30 |
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Well yeah! Only minis painted in that month of the competition could be entered in the "Mini of the Month" they would need to be back up by a dated photo of either a bare or just undercoated figure. To take it further I would sugest that only one mini per person could be entered in the competition every month. That would prevent the competition from being flooded by multiple entries by people who can paint more than one amazing mini a month. I know it might sucks for some of the interested people. Edited by marcineczek0, 17 Oct 2009, 06:02 PM.
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| ☺The Antipope | 17 Oct 2009, 06:09 PM Post #31 |
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I would have assumed that to be the case anyway but yeah, I'd want to put all my energy into one model anyway. |
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| # El Diablo | 17 Oct 2009, 06:10 PM Post #32 |
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Couldn't agree more. The only way to get better as a painter is to push yourself and learn new things. As a bit of a middle ground suggestion, how about doing every other comp as a single fig entry? That way everyone still gets to do the 'fun' stuff and everyone can have a crack at doing single figs. Also gives a slightly longer window to those of us that might be mad enough to go through 50+ hours on a single fig. |
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| ☺The Antipope | 17 Oct 2009, 06:15 PM Post #33 |
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That'd be difficult as far as 'painted that month' goes though. Personally I think the way to go is to run 'Single Mini' every month as well as something else every month. There's no reason two competitions can't run at once and that way if someone wanted to try something different then the oppurtunity would always be there. |
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| # the_great_gonzo | 17 Oct 2009, 06:18 PM Post #34 |
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MyLyly point was more the fact that person X doubles his standard, which is fantastic for him, but his standard is well below that of an out right painter. Look at the world of sport. Imagine Rooney plays his usual bulldog best, scores 3, no cards and is loved to bits, but the real man of the mAtch is the fringe player who ran his guts out, player well above his pay scale but was simply outshone by greatness. He may not have a game like that again. All I was trying to point out is there must be a way to keep "normal" painters keen and interested when they know they will be up against gods on a monthly basis. I know this is down to the individual poster and there is no way of factoring "greatness" into each comp. Just because you have practised lots and are great doesn't mean lowly little me has to wait to achieve that particular skill level before I'm competitive. Eliteism will be the onlyway forward if there is no reward for individual greatness, on a developing front. I suppose we are fortunate that our little community is small enough to self regulate. Then again a larger painter constituancy might yield a more ballanced vote..... .....I'm going for a bath now, enough shite from me.
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| marcineczek0 | 17 Oct 2009, 06:27 PM Post #35 |
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The Antipope - I know but it needed to be clearly stated. El Diablo - Well, Isn't that like what we had? Almost every other competition could be entered with a single mini. The difference was that we had a specified theme. I don't think that a month is not long enough to paint a mini the_great_gonzo - I'm not in the least a miniature painter. For me it could be a Terrain competition every month... But even though it won't win I will try to enter my miniature in the competition evry month. And who knows maybe I will push myself to the point that I will eventually beat every one of you guys (or you all will lose internet connection and won't be able to enter your finall photos) |
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| ☺The Antipope | 17 Oct 2009, 06:29 PM Post #36 |
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But it's you that's making the distinction between 'Gods' and 'Normal Painters' which is frankly ridiculous. Noones talking about elitism, not even slightly but if in a competition concessions are being made somehow for those who are below the standards of others...Well, the competition itself becomes redundant. I've no doubt that for the first few months of such a competition that certain folk would walk away with 'best mini' for that month or whatever. But see the positive aspects of that rather than the negative. The Ammobunker is one of the friendliest and most generous communities I have come across, everyone is willing to share and help others, everyone doles out recipes, everyone inspires the work of other posters around them. Sure, 'Person Z' would win the first month and maybe 'Person X' would win the next, but by watching, practicing, asking questions and applying time and effort a painter who perhaps thought himself unworthy may actually come up with something that would surprise everone on the forum and take away 'best mini' in month 3. This isn't some Olympian question of Gods vs. Men. The Ammobunker has never worked like that. Gods don't want men to become Gods, lest their power be diminshed. But on here everyone shares. The upshot of the whole matter is that if there were a competition for best painted single miniature, everyone would benefit. The top level painters would have to compete with each other, those not to the standard would raise their game and those not interested in entering would get a gallery of fanatstic miniatures to look at every month. Edited by The Antipope, 17 Oct 2009, 06:33 PM.
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| marcineczek0 | 17 Oct 2009, 06:35 PM Post #37 |
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Antipope... That was beautiful. : I couldn't agree more Oh one more thing... For all you people with no painting skills we won't do a Special Olympics for people who can't paint well... sorry just a joke. But if you don't paint well - practice, ask questions, show your stuff for others to comment and tell you what to do to make it better! |
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| # Digits | 17 Oct 2009, 06:40 PM Post #38 |
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I think suggestion to run both has merit - for a while atrleast. That is, if the mini version proves popular and we can see different winners etc then huzzah we know what will work. For others they can do terrain, themes, vehicles, conversions etc. BUT - in order for this to have real appeal - how about a suggestion. What if a hand picked group of you painters were to give something in return? You are right to point out about the friendly nature of this site, so let's see.... How about a masterclass painters workshop thread? Where guys can start a mini, with a real desire to want to improve their skills, done where they are actively seeking the next steps and guidance from the "painters". This is a mini that everyone expects won't be done overnight, and they should wexpect to put in the hours, and layers etc..... |
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| ☺The Antipope | 17 Oct 2009, 06:40 PM Post #39 |
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I don't mean to patronise Gonzo, but we already have this. They are called project logs. Every painter on the forum has an oppurtunity to recieve comments, criticism and encouragement. But a 'competition' by sheer definition is a different thing. Marce: Well, I'm enjoying this. It's like a real debate with proper people in it and everything. |
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| ☺The Antipope | 17 Oct 2009, 06:43 PM Post #40 |
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Ninja'd by Digits! Not only is this a fantastic idea, it actually encapsulates everything that the site is about. I'd be more than willing to participate in this. |
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