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Future Ammobuker Competitions
I like it just the way it is 3 (12%)
"Mini of the month" with other categories in between 13 (52%)
"Mini of the month" separate from other categories (every 2 months) 6 (24%)
"Mini of the month" separate from other categories (every 4 months) 3 (12%)
Other 0 (0%)
Total Votes: 25
Future Ammobuker Competitions; Your opinions and sugestions.
Topic Started: 16 Oct 2009, 05:50 PM (1,223 Views)
marcineczek0
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Hi guys.
I was told to start a new topic on what can be done to include more people in Ammobunker Competitions.

So far...

The Antipope

I'd rather something that's accessible to everyone on the forum. I, like many others, don't paint terrain. But everyone on the forum paints single figures. Almost everyone paints vehicles and units. Can't it be simple?

I don't think it's boring to have a simple competition. If it was say 'best single miniature every month' everyone would have something to enter and everybody would have to continually raise their game each month.

marcineczek0
Well Antipope made a good point. I agree that terrain competition is not for everyone.
Best miniature of the month would be for all Ammobunker members who want's to show of his (or hers) best minature! It would be great motivation (like "The Tale of..." but not for quantity but quality of work).
But I would take it a step further. We could have "Best mini of the month" and terrain, tank, diorama, etc. from time to time (as a special competition not instead of the first one). And I (if I may be so bold) would like to make it happen.

The Antipope

Marce has hit it on the head. A single competition that everyone could enter every month with special 'satellite' competitions as an additional. As for you wanting to make that happen Marce, I'd be more than willing to help you make it happen.

I'm not meaning to get up anyones nose here, not at all, but if (as in the most recent examples) less than six people out of over a thousand are interested in entering then surely something is wrong? I actually can't remember the last time I was interested in entering an AB competition.

Like I say, not meaning to ruffle feathers, but surely the evidence speaks for itself here?

edit- Just been looking, the 'create a special character' competition (essentially single miniature except with added fluff) had 21 entries. 7 times more entries than this one. Drop the bit about writing fluff (Not everyone wants to or indeed are capable of creative writing) and I reckon we have a viable competition that will garner a lot of entries. Because three is meagre to say the very least.

Foe42

true i would have enter both the last two but time ran away from me. but yes a single model would be great as well. although what are going to be guide lines for 25mm scale its easy to say ok one model. but for people who play FOW or Dark future. would those be viable entries or would they have to wait for a special compo? not to be a squeaky wheel just would like some answers and speaking up for others you may not want to speak up

The Antipope
I don't see as a Dark Future model would be a problem as it is of a relative size still but I think smaller scale would be pushing it no?

marcineczek0
I understand your concern for the little people. I know that a FoW mini could look less atractive next to a bunch of GW minis (even though it needs more precision and patience to paint in my opinion). It would mean that we need to make another competition just for 15mm miniatures... next thing you know we need a competition for 6mm Epic stuff. Than BFG... and so on.
In my opinion If your mini is good you can win no matter the size.
Plus, is there enyone on this website who paints only FoW minis???
For example I make terrain and tanks most of the time. But sometimes I like to paint some nice miniature just for the fun of it.

Ω Deserter

The competitions have always waxed and waned - for some of them, the turnout has been really high, whilst for others, as mentioned, it's been rather low. The topic of the competitions is always fairly open, it's meant to be inclusive. I don't want it to be just a single miniature, or a tank, or a unit, as not everyone will be painting that each month. The "brief" for each competition is supposed to allow for most armies, and will from time to time be terrain, or slanted towards vehicles. "Hallowed Ground" for example, was open to every army out there, and just because some gamers do not build terrain, there are others that love it and would actively enter.

The reasoning behind the competition winners selecting the next competition is because we've currently run out of people willing to donate prizes. It was the only thing I had to offer the winner of the last competition, TrooperPX.

Sorry for the super long post but this is what was said so far.
If you have your opinions and ideas let us know!
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fiorehellheart
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Hmm, i think that maybe a bi-mothly or maybe quarterly technique may be aplicable here.

Basically having a single model for one month and then for the next have an alternate category such as a themed compo, or a vehicle. This would ensure that there is variety in them but also that people do not get bored of the same competition for a long time.

Just an opinion and suggestion though.
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# dean
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I approve and declare that any fantasy single minis painted for this will count for the Fantasy challenge as well. (since we arent handing out real prizes anyway)

Note: A single core choice mini painted for this comp will have to have some buddies along to constitute a "Unit" for the Fantasy Challenge.
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marcineczek0
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fiore hellheart - that's basicly what we have right now.

Industrial Tank Farm Competition - terrain
Imperial Guard Unit Competition - Unit
Objective Marker Competition - well... almost like terrain
Special Forces Competition - Single/Unit
Battlefield Wreck Competition- terrain
"Duel" Competition - 2miniatures (minimum)
"Death from above" Competition - single miniature
"Defensive Position" Competition - terrain
"Campaign Vehicle" Competition - Tank
"Hero & Retinue" Competition - Unit
Comedy Competition - mostly with single miniature diorama
Create-A-Special-Character Competition - Single miniature
"Hallowed Ground" Terrain Competition - terrain

What I ment was, can we have a monthly competition for a single best miniature and every couple of months we could have a separate special competition for Terrain, Objective marker, Diorama, Tank, Unit or something else...

dean - Thanks for your support. That would motivate people to paint one model to a great standard... which they would have to duplicate for entire unit... :)


(since we arent handing out real prizes anyway) - It was never about the praize in my case... I just wanted to be in "Hall of Fame" :)
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Daemon-Forge
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@marcineczek0 i think thats a good idea. have a monthly comp, for single mini's and now and again have the other sort.
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marcineczek0
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That's the idea!


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☺Dave38x
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id be up for this style of competition yes!
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Daemon-Forge
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could you add a poll to the thread? that mite help with number?
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marcineczek0
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to be honest... I don't know how to add poll, and even if I did what this poll should concern. right now w got 1 maybe two ideas about the future competitions... if you have sugestions on the poll let me know.
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# Marovian
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As someone who has never entered a competition, the main obstacle for me was that it often didn't match what I was working on for my armies etc. So a single miniature, regular comp might help, as I can just push myself on my next single figure. However, I this is my only concern, how quickly will people get bored of the same comp every month? Perhaps we can keep the themes but lose the catergorys. I know for examply the "Hallowed Ground" comp, I thought about doing a diaorama of a guy mourning his dead mate, but it wasn't terrain so couldn't.
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# the_great_gonzo
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I'd go wth the monthly single mini and a 1/4 year comp on something different, and try to tie in a comp with the "flavour of the month" releases. We do seem to be a predominatley 40k site (with extra care taken to look after all the different game systems that do pop up here) so going with the release schedule +1 month would make some sense, many of us (mainly me) jump ship to new and exciting armies, as we should do as we support the hobby with our cash.

I have no problem donateing a prize to a comp, just ask Sheep or Sachiel. This months Team North "tale of" comp I tried to run hasn't been that well supported so I'm inclined to extend it another month or so. The way I see it supporting this site in what evre small way I can: I drink more in a month than I buy hobbywise in 3 so if I save my liver by getting you to paint then all the better, it is money down the pan no matter how you look at it. (have you painted those termies yet Sachiel, or those CSM's Sheep???)

Drunken Gonzo signing off. Again hic!
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☺highmarshaldave
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I think a single mini is very managable every month, with something specail from time to time. The main obstacle for most people is, as has been mention, finding the motivation and time to do something that doesn't necessarily fit in with your current project. A monthly get together to find the best single model, regardless of race of theme, sounds like a good idea as most people will just be able to grab a character they've painted that month and enter him. That said, the original format of timestampd WIPs should also be stuck with, to prevent rampant cheating.

Dave out.
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marcineczek0
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Marovian - I see what you meen. The single mini coopetition could get boring after some time. Than again it could be a great motivation to paint and show of you best mini of the month not only on your log but for all people on Ammobunker. Plus you get to be mentioned in "Hall of Fame"!
If that Is not enough I will personally make sure that all winners will get a prize in form of a trophy!!! (I must be mad)???

Well in my opinion that would be a great entry to the "Hallowed Ground" competition.
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marcineczek0
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as you can see I've added a poll... not sure if that works for you so let me know!


the_great_gonzo, highmarshaldave Thanks!
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fiorehellheart
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Lol, good point there marcineczek0.

In that case i think i just agree with what highmarshaldave said.
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☺The Antipope
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You know where my vote on this lies obviously. As to it getting boring, surely the sheer range of entries and potential for variety that the competiton entails will prevent this?

I am glad that this is being resolved and as I said Marce, If I can do anything to help, I will.

When do we start? B)
Edited by The Antipope, 17 Oct 2009, 02:57 AM.
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# the_great_gonzo
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I feel there also has to be a ballance between great work repeatedly (Sheep, Dominus, Voice of the warp etc) and those individuals who have made an exceptional effort based on their own ability. Personally I'll have a look at recent work in many guys Plogs before posting a comp vote, it is all too easy to overlook someone whos work has been raised to their next level because of a great painter churning out "yet another fabulous mini".

Haven't the foggiest how we could police/enforce/encourage this though....
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# Digits
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Have to admit, single mini favours a minority of exceptional painters which was why I tended to avoid them when I was setting compos. I often thought it would be cool to put up compos that gave people an opportubity to do things they often wouldn't usually consider as they were busy building their armies (Wrecks, objective markers, dioramas, figure converversions etc).





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☺The Antipope
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I really understand what you mean by that Dave and it would be difficult to find a way to 'police' it. Creating a competition on two tiers promotes a kind of ugly elitism I think so that's not the way but at the same time it's not fair to limit some of the more exceptional painters like Dominus or Ari simply because they are good.

On the other side of it, it would just possibly push people who normally only go so far as to paint something average into painting something exceptional? There are pros and cons and I admit, it is difficult.
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# Digits
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I wasn't suggesting not to have a single mini compo - just that it would get boring very quickly for everyone else if that was the comp every month.
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