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40k Mispronunciations; Which ones really niggle you?
Topic Started: 26 Aug 2009, 03:27 PM (2,414 Views)
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27 Aug 2009, 08:30 AM
Other ones:

sI-gismund. I mean seriously, its sigismund.

Gil-GAlad. Its Gil-galad. ffs. learn to speak elvish, noo
Okay, you lost me on both of those.

si-gismund seems fine to me - and just saying "its sigismund" is just spelling it, not showing any of the emphasis. Is it sig-is-mund, is it sigi-smund? Its a non-english name so I just don't know what the correct form would be.

As for Gilgalad, I really don't think its fair to hold anyone to pronounciation on a fictional language. I'd rather not learn elvish, reading Tolkien's novels are hard enough work on their own. Good plots but more waffle than an American breakfast diner. :
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Gallowsbait: Re Gilgalad - Tolkien wrote the language, and produced extensive pronunciation guides. Surely, as its inventor, it gives him the right to dictate how any word he makes up is pronounced?

And Raimi - i was gonna put that quote, but couldnt remember the details of it :P
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27 Aug 2009, 09:58 AM
Gallowsbait: Re Gilgalad - Tolkien wrote the language, and produced extensive pronunciation guides. Surely, as its inventor, it gives him the right to dictate how any word he makes up is pronounced?
Children of Hurin gives a good indication of how things are to be said
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27 Aug 2009, 09:58 AM
Gallowsbait: Re Gilgalad - Tolkien wrote the language, and produced extensive pronunciation guides. Surely, as its inventor, it gives him the right to dictate how any word he makes up is pronounced?
I've no doubt Tolkien and his notes could do so (were he not long dead and past caring).

But is it really fair to criticise the masses of readers, cinema viewers and games players not so obsessed as to know the language? You don't need a degree in Elvish to be entitled to play LotR after all.

Its like moaning that someone can't speak Klingon properly - almost no one knows and since its made up you're not offending anyone by getting their name wrong.

Though I suppose with naming trends these days there probably are a few Arwens and Froddos out there in nursery. :
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its a bit different to klingon mate, given that his method of pronunciation has more or less set the method of pronunciation for every single fantasy novel i have come across that has had a pronunciation guide at the start.

I dont know the language, but from reading one of his books i am aware as to the basics of his pronunciation...
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27 Aug 2009, 10:53 AM
its a bit different to klingon mate, given that his method of pronunciation has more or less set the method of pronunciation for every single fantasy novel i have come across that has had a pronunciation guide at the start.

I dont know the language, but from reading one of his books i am aware as to the basics of his pronunciation...
I guess my own choices in fantasy fiction must be a bit more lightweight then as I've never come across anything like that other than in Tolkien which, quite frankly, I disliked as being far too ponderous. :$

Apologies, I wasn't meaning to get onto a linguistics debate, only trying to express that I think there's a difference between saying "Oh my gosh that guy's use of Cat-a-ch-an bugs me" and the response "ffs learn Elvish".

As an aside, personally I'm more of the school of thought that if GW were so intent on it being Cat-a-k-an they should have spelt it that way as its not an obvious thing in English. (Primarch is Pri-mar-k, but change isn't k-ange and Archangel is ar-k-ang-el, but arch isn't ar-k). So its hard enough with things like that without getting people rolling their eyes at the use of some elf's name just 'cause its not as some 1950s scholar of ancient languages decreed it.

Just my two cents.... or should that be sents... or kents? :P
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hehe :P
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27 Aug 2009, 12:38 PM
I've never come across anything like that other than in Tolkien which, quite frankly, I disliked as being far too ponderous. :$

Tolkien bash! I'll join in! I really have no time for the LotR books. I think last time I tried to get through them I got to the middle of Return of the King and still gave up.

I'm a blasphemer though cause I love the films.
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27 Aug 2009, 12:04 AM
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26 Aug 2009, 11:51 PM
i am always screwing up how i say words because when i read them my mind reorders the letters and i don't notice it until i have someone point it out to me then i go back to the source word and i am like " oh really i thought it was ..." but then again most of the time i am typing and not talking so then its just the fact that i can't spell worth a hill of beans.
You ever been tested for dyslexia mate? Cos that sounds rather like an indication of it. You should hear me speak sometimes. Aged Grandparents and spoonerisms about Frank Whittle do not mix well...
yeah i know the more i read the better i get i just don't get to read as much with 4 kids
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aragon rather than aragoRn is just stupid, but Ultramarine players seem to get annoyed at Marneus Calgar becoming Papa Smurf..
oh and macragge being pronounced mac-ridge. i mean come on?!
 
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How do you pronounce Macragge then? I've always said Ma-Crag though I've heard it pronounced Ma-Craj.
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I say Mac-raij, but it's probably wrong. Never heard the official pronunciation.
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I say it Mac-rage (you know, Mac like the computer and rage like well, rage.)
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Macraj is how i say it.

And i say aragon.
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surely mac-crag or if you're posh mac-craaaag
 
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Mac-crag? But theres only one c. I'd still say Ma-crag. The double g suggests that to me rather than a j sound at the end.
Edited by The Antipope, 29 Aug 2009, 06:57 PM.
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Chimera is Ki mer ra only morons say chi mer ra
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i have a mate who plays necrons and pronouces that his weapons are "Giaus" based, i thought it was Gauss, but you never know :D

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27 Aug 2009, 10:53 AM
its a bit different to klingon mate, given that his method of pronunciation has more or less set the method of pronunciation for every single fantasy novel i have come across that has had a pronunciation guide at the start.

I dont know the language, but from reading one of his books i am aware as to the basics of his pronunciation...
I guess my own choices in fantasy fiction must be a bit more lightweight then as I've never come across anything like that other than in Tolkien which, quite frankly, I disliked as being far too ponderous. :$

Apologies, I wasn't meaning to get onto a linguistics debate, only trying to express that I think there's a difference between saying "Oh my gosh that guy's use of Cat-a-ch-an bugs me" and the response "ffs learn Elvish".

As an aside, personally I'm more of the school of thought that if GW were so intent on it being Cat-a-k-an they should have spelt it that way as its not an obvious thing in English. (Primarch is Pri-mar-k, but change isn't k-ange and Archangel is ar-k-ang-el, but arch isn't ar-k). So its hard enough with things like that without getting people rolling their eyes at the use of some elf's name just 'cause its not as some 1950s scholar of ancient languages decreed it.

Just my two cents.... or should that be sents... or kents? :P
When the Administrators on here were invited by GW to see the new guard launches, one member of the audience asked the question is is Cat-a-kan or Cata-chan?

The answer is both, GW even admitted they use both in the design studios, The older guys using 'kan' and the newer generation 'chan'.
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I always thought Valkyrie was pronounced Val-ki-ri but someone recently told me it is pronounced Val-Keer-i...Turns out they are right too. I checked and that is how it is pronounced in mythology.
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