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Silly Germans; And I ain't talking about Tepok
Topic Started: 9 Jun 2009, 06:46 PM (476 Views)
# Captain Wolverine
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http://uk.videogames.games.yahoo.com/blog/article/3870/


It's soceity that creates psychos not computer games.
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☺highmarshaldave
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Ah, but its far easier to point the finger at the French/Japanese/Brits/Yanks than say "okay, we screwed that one up a bit". After all, I've just switched off Rainbow 6: Vegas, and do I feel the need to rid the world of terrorists? No.

Dave out.

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☺Maelstrom
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Bit of an over reaction to me, i can understand them not wanting games like CoD and MoH for the obvious WW2 reasons. But there are very few cases of ppl playing games then going out and killing ppl.

If you went by this then you would have to ban rap and metal music both involving violent lyrics, or violent movies and TV series'

I'm sure i saw a japanese person talking about this before, he said that japanese people know that games are merely a fantasy world and that they are not real, where as western people can get sucked into them more easily or something like that.
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firestorm
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Yes, and they're talking about banning paintball because everyone who plays that goes home, grabs a load of REAL guns, and starts shooting bystanders. [/sarcasm]

Wolvies' right, it's a problem with society/culture as a whole that would make a disturbed teenager feel like commiting such a terrible act the on course they can take in life.

But it's so much easier just to have a knee-jerk reaction and say 'ban video games/rock music/horror films!' rather than look deeper at all these problems to see the TRUE causes...
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alextheartist
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Has any teenaged male not played a videogame which involves a machine voice going "BOOM Headshot.." If they havent, they aint a man... :)
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☺Dave38x
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not CS or CS:Source if thats what you mean alex, but i find there is something rather cathartic about violent games. For example me and my brother were in a furious mood with the parents once, we holed up and blew locust to [Not on the floor please] on gears of war. Correct that, we dropped the difficulty and used the chainsaw exclusively

The next time i picked up a real chainsaw did i saw people in half? No.

Ive also played with real guns (and i dont mean militarily, i mean go into the forest and shoot stuff) and at no point (while it did cross my mind that it was very easy to do so) - despite having racked up over 1000 kills with pump action shotguns in games - did i have the urge to shoot someone in the back, front, head or face with a 12 gauge.

IE i echo everyone who says its society. You get similar knee jerk reactions everywhere involving everything to do with anyone under the age of 18 these days...

*sighs*
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Marshal2Crusaders
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No Germany, don't do it! Don't make me think less of you! And don't take my Halo 3 when I move there!!!!


I dont know why people think violent video games and movies cause people to do bad things. People do bad things because the synapses fired in THEIR brains to do them. The only person responsible for your actions is the person doing said action.
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☺Dave38x
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indeed marshal, however to play devils advocate how you act and what you do is effected by many things, how you were brought up, what you were exposed to as a child, key life experiences, your DNA etc. And so what people love to do is blame video games as the influence that leads someone to act in a certain way. Whereas level headed people tend to see that it may be a factor, but your society is a far bigger one.

Sad thing about the world we live in is there always has to be someone to blame :(
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alextheartist
9 Jun 2009, 08:09 PM
Has any teenaged male not played a videogame which involves a machine voice going "BOOM Headshot.." If they havent, they aint a man... :)
Crossfire ftw...
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firestorm
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9 Jun 2009, 08:57 PM
Ive also played with real guns (and i dont mean militarily, i mean go into the forest and shoot stuff) and at no point (while it did cross my mind that it was very easy to do so) - despite having racked up over 1000 kills with pump action shotguns in games - did i have the urge to shoot someone in the back, front, head or face with a 12 gauge.
The only time I've used guns it was a frightening reminder of not only how powerful and potentially dangerous they are, but of how easy it can be to forget this sometimes through seeing them on films tv and video games all the time (and I say that as a gamer myself). IMHO, using guns properly, in the correct conditions, under the correct supervision, is something that everyone who plays video games etc should do, because the reality of guns is a world apart from how they're portrayed in fictional media.
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because the reality of guns is a world apart from how they're portrayed in fictional media.

i found that when i fired a shotgun for the first time. compared to CoD 4, and virtually every other game, they have some range to them. (almost took down the silly bird that flew into the path of my clay pigeon)
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☺Dave38x
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10 Jun 2009, 08:47 AM
The only time I've used guns it was a frightening reminder of not only how powerful and potentially dangerous they are, but of how easy it can be to forget this sometimes through seeing them on films tv and video games all the time (and I say that as a gamer myself). IMHO, using guns properly, in the correct conditions, under the correct supervision, is something that everyone who plays video games etc should do, because the reality of guns is a world apart from how they're portrayed in fictional media.
Indeed. It has to be said that i love guns, and this is from real life use not just games. However i agree it is easy to loose sight of what they are capable of and just how incredibly powerful they are.

The portrayal of weapons in games is something that i really struggle with now, because its actually impossible in your standard shooting game to work in all the things it actually takes to aim a weapon with iron sights. Because it sure as hell isnt just right click or left trigger...

brambleten
 
found that when i fired a shotgun for the first time. compared to CoD 4, and virtually every other game, they have some range to them. (almost took down the silly bird that flew into the path of my clay pigeon)
Ah, but you were probably using birdshot, a shell which fires at least 100 tiny bits of lead, as opposed to something with fewer, larger pellets. Also you have to take into account that birds are a lot weaker than body armour, especially at range.

The [tinkle]off for me with CoD4 is how stupidly fast you can unload with any of the pistols but more specifically the Desert Eagle. They tooks a sport/recreational handgun and put it in a military game for no reason, then gave it a stupid rate of fire... why?!!!
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10 Jun 2009, 09:52 AM
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found that when i fired a shotgun for the first time. compared to CoD 4, and virtually every other game, they have some range to them. (almost took down the silly bird that flew into the path of my clay pigeon)
Ah, but you were probably using birdshot, a shell which fires at least 100 tiny bits of lead, as opposed to something with fewer, larger pellets. Also you have to take into account that birds are a lot weaker than body armour, especially at range.

The [tinkle]off for me with CoD4 is how stupidly fast you can unload with any of the pistols but more specifically the Desert Eagle. They tooks a sport/recreational handgun and put it in a military game for no reason, then gave it a stupid rate of fire... why?!!!
for someone with no real experience with guns apart from with games, i wouldnt know the difference between birdshot and any other type of round. :) but i suppose if you are close enough it doesnt matter what type of round you use.

i reckon they put in the desert eagle as it is one of the more well known handguns, since there are masses of online games (such as that rabbit game) where a Desert Eagle is used
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9 Jun 2009, 11:58 PM
indeed marshal, however to play devils advocate how you act and what you do is effected by many things, how you were brought up, what you were exposed to as a child, key life experiences, your DNA etc. And so what people love to do is blame video games as the influence that leads someone to act in a certain way. Whereas level headed people tend to see that it may be a factor, but your society is a far bigger one.

Sad thing about the world we live in is there always has to be someone to blame :(
True, true.

I am a personal responsibility advocate though, and a big supporter of the 'rise above your upbringing' ideal. If you parents were good to you, it is up to you to make things better. If your parents were not good to you, then even though it is unfortunate, you can't let hardship do anything but sharpen you to succeed. A wise, and horribly, horribly mean and hurtful man once told me nothing easy is worth doing. While being insane and wrong, I can see what he means, so if things are bad, and you still succeed you have achieved something absolutely great even if it is on par with those people who started out better than you. I try my best everyday to define myself through my own means and not let things influenece me that need not influence me.


On another note, I would say 40K players a less likely to do something violent because we have to practice separating fantasy from reality everyday :D
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☺Jasevx
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something else for Brown to jump on the bandwagon for, just heard his speech on Parliamentry reform, including giving 16 year olds the vote, I'm starting my 'smackhead and barbie' party, they'll be sure to win if that goes through
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# the_great_gonzo
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ohh ohh can I be barbie!?!
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☺Jasevx
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being both is greedy
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Fraserbear
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Germany trying to restrict freedoms? How unusual!
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10 Jun 2009, 03:07 PM
Germany trying to restrict freedoms? How unusual!
Good work squire.

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Dave38x
10 Jun 2009, 09:52 AM

The [tinkle]off for me with CoD4 is how stupidly fast you can unload with any of the pistols but more specifically the Desert Eagle. They tooks a sport/recreational handgun and put it in a military game for no reason, then gave it a stupid rate of fire... why?!!!
You can fire a pistol just as fast as they do in COD4, you just wont hit anything. Then you can ofcourse Bump fire, which is firing even faster and even less accurately. This would work with any pistol, including the Desert Eagle.

Example at around 0:17
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvyEIiPU63E
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