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| # KayvaanShrike | 10 Feb 2009, 02:52 PM Post #81 |
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Also if you think about it, as POD said, with the plastic one, they might now do cool conversion kits. They did with the plastic Drop pod, made conversion kits for the variants, and the same with the Baneblade kit. So there is a very real chance they could do the same with the Valk. |
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| ☺highmarshaldave | 10 Feb 2009, 04:56 PM Post #82 |
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Aye, but as I said (given real world physics) a Harrier in hover-mode can only drift around at slow speeds, rather than zipping about. The only real way to work it would be to ban the mid-range speed bracket and place a higher limit on flat-out movement. But even at that it massively penalises the ability of aircraft to go anywhere on the field and unleash all its guns on a single, hapless, target. And that folks, is the kicker. Dave out. |
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| Lt.Gregor | 10 Feb 2009, 05:04 PM Post #83 |
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Nope the dark eldar Codex has been rumored sense beganing of 3rd edition..... and were in? |
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| # the_great_gonzo | 10 Feb 2009, 05:08 PM Post #84 |
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but this isn't the real world, tis the year 40,000, I'm happy with 5 foot mag lights that can kill an elephant cold, we all have hover-cars and hover-taxi-gunships. Buy 6 and enjoy them
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| ☺The Antipope | 10 Feb 2009, 07:41 PM Post #85 |
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To buy ten Cadians with a Heavy Weapon team at the moment it will cost you £19 (half the price of a box of Cadians and a tenner for the Heavy Weapon kit). The new Cadian Catachan will be ten men with all special and Heavy Weapon options inside as well as officer bits. All for £12-15 quid. Also, the new Ork set contains Heavy Weapon and Nob bitz which made that box substantially cheaper in terms of what you get too. Maybe a little mathematics before the spouting of the wisdom? Edited by The Antipope, 10 Feb 2009, 07:43 PM.
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| Heathgrove | 10 Feb 2009, 07:50 PM Post #86 |
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The Antipope: It's all about what kind of army you want though. While you may be right that they will have special weapons in the new box(lets hope all kinds of them!), heavy weapons and officer bitz everyone maybe doesn't need all these extra bitz! But we'll see how the new box turns out, where have you heard/seen about the box as you say it anyways? (And I've done my maths, I just couldn't know about realising a now box with all included... Never heard about that one!) |
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| ☺The Antipope | 10 Feb 2009, 07:55 PM Post #87 |
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Sorry, maybe that came across a bit harsh! I just don't like using the smiley faces much but assume there was an invisible one on the end of the bit about maths. Although come on, extra little bits on sprues are always nice. I'd kill for alternate officer bits seeing as through the present box you can make an officer, with one head option and one laspistol/chainsword set of arms. I'd kill for more variation in that set. If you don't wanna use the Heavy/Special Weapons you can save em up. You'll save money in the long run by not having to buy support squads and the like, you'll have them all stored up from the boxes. And the rumour of everything in the box comes from Harry on Warseer who is normally 100% spot on. |
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| ☺Dave38x | 10 Feb 2009, 08:22 PM Post #88 |
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Personally one major attraction of FW models was the weight and mass of them, i mean they were solid! However i do look forward to the possibility of conversions from FW
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| Dazza | 11 Feb 2009, 03:23 AM Post #89 |
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i say the idea of a plastic valkyrie is exellent as it opens up so many modelling opportunities and allows those who don't have access to the fw variety a chance to own one (or ten). as for the prestige factor point, i think having more and more models such as the valkyrie can only increase the gaming potential of any game or contest. having a flyer (or skimmer i suppose) in a 1500 point game more often than before would look absolutely fantastic on the tabletop and increase the exitement and fun. now isn't that what the hobby is all about? enjoying painting, modelling and gaming with friends. despite the fact 12 yr olds with very little idea about the hobby might begin to get their hands on these kits and not use them to their full potential, experienced gamers and hobbyists will now have more avenues which they can pursue with these new generation of plastic kits. |
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| ☺Vee | 11 Feb 2009, 04:35 AM Post #90 |
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Well, fix on some helicopter blades onto that puppy, dust off my old metal Catachans.... Play some of Edwin Starr's War in the background.... Yeah, OK, I'll buy a few. - Vee |
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| Schoolcormorant | 11 Feb 2009, 07:21 AM Post #91 |
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I have decided. American Airborne style guard. Cadian plastics converted, weapon straps, webbing, pouches, light weapons (hopefully stubbers if the rules are in as .30cals). Valkyries as gliders. There'd be tanks aswell, guess we'd have Market (the airborne section) and Garden (the tanks and heavy infantry - perhaps a more British style to them aswell). Damn GW. SC |
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| ☺highmarshaldave | 11 Feb 2009, 08:26 AM Post #92 |
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So that'll be 6 valkyries, 4 Cadian battleforces, 2 more boxes of Cadians and the plastic upgrade sprue. . . I'll give you the benefit of the doubt Steve, and say you'll hit double figures of painted models. Sounds like an ace conept though, and in your hands it'd look truly outstanding. Dave out. |
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| # the_great_gonzo | 11 Feb 2009, 08:46 AM Post #93 |
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I was 11 when I got my first 2 landraiders and 100 of the Rouge Trader era guardsmen. I had help putting them all together and painting them (cheers Dad!) so when I attended my local wargames club (colchester) I was one of the few people to own a fully painted 40k army. When I did play with undercoated minis (all the old "Terminator Squad" and space hulk terminators) most people didn't look down on me as a Johnny rich who's parents bought me for the sake of keeping me happy. I was encouraged by people who never had the same finances as myself, encouragement that has meant I stayed with this hobby for a futher 19 years..... ..yes there will be people that go out and buy 10 vaulks as their parents want to keep them quiet/happy, hopefully out of all those that are lucky enough to have that a good few will be encouraged to finish their toys and to learn the god damn rules!!!!!! As per DAZZA's post, the more exciting items GW can get into their shops and sell, including stuff with a real life counterpartthat folk can relate to/see on the news bombing the Taliban, the more people can be encouraged to join our hobby and make it thrive. If we continue with this eliteist attitude towards FW stuff and noobs not having any "clue" the hobby will only dig itself into the ground. I feel sorry sometimes for GW staffers trying their best to be keen about the hobby and sell the products through demo games when the yoofs they demo to sit and laugh in their faces at their enthusiasm for a "Geeky" hobby... More plastic kits I say, I want a plastic revenant titan!! |
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| Burnie | 11 Feb 2009, 08:46 AM Post #94 |
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Bah, stupid skimmer rules. Wish I'd had a chance to get a proper resin one... maybe soon.... nonetheless, while I'm full of joy that flyers will now be a bit easier, I'm a bit devastated that they won't be flyers anymore |
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| Schoolcormorant | 11 Feb 2009, 09:08 AM Post #95 |
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Don't be daft Dave, double figures? Never, I'll spend loads on the models, make a couple, get bored... But I'll enjoy it ![]() SC |
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| ☺Grizz | 11 Feb 2009, 06:03 PM Post #96 |
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Well, I was having a wee nose around other sites, and found this on Librarium Online. Apologies if it's already been posted etc etc... A disclaimer. Games Workshop is currently adding the final touches to the IG Codex and as such any info you read here is not guaranteed by myself. What I present here is info I have gathered from various sources one of which is a mock up of the Codex which may be a key part in the final production. As the codex has yet to be formally prepared for print all info is subject to change and/or be removed as the design and test teams of this Codex see fit. I ask anyone reposting this information elsewhere simply carry this disclaimer with it. Thank you. Releases; Launch Wave(Wave 1); Codex Primaris Psyker(2 Metal Models) Ratling Snipers(4 Metal Models Sentinel(Recut to contain a huge amount of options for various outfittings) Cadian Command Squad(Officer and 4 Guardsmen. A huge box of goodies. This will contain 2 different Officer looks as well as 4 Cadians with various head, pouches and weapons. The beautiful thing here is all Special Weapons in plastic a several CC Officer weapons as well) Valkyrie Cadian Shock Troops Catachan Jungle Fighters **Please note that originally a Catachan Command Squad and "new" recut of the models was meant to to be released here. This however has disappeared from my list** Wave 1.5 This wave is technically a multi wave of various armies being planned with Planet Strike. As such this may be before or after the 2nd wave release. This one is the most unlikely of them all and has thus far only been alluded to me by some people. Modern Rough Riders(I cannot confirm bikes instead of horses but I have been told.....less Fantasy more gritty sci-fi) Storm Troopers/Arbite Riot Team(I do not know if these are the same release or separate however they are plastic and will be less Kasrkin, more Imperium) Naval Fleet Officer Adjutant(1 Model) Artillery Overseer(1 Model) Wave 2 Leman Russ Recut(Will include 4 variants) Chimera Recut(Will include the Chimera, Hellhound, Salamander and various outfitting options) Commissar Lord and Commissars(The new lord is plastic and will be released at the same time as 2 new metal models, giving us 5 metal Commissars and a plastic lord) Wave 3/Unknown These are things that are being released eventually I am told but have no exact info when. The only thing I am pretty sure on is that they will not be released at the time of the First wave. Artillery Tank(Basilisk and 2/3 other variants. My bet is for sure Griffin and Medusa and have heard the word Manticore thrown around) Veteran Models(Metal not sure if they are meant to be officers or Veteran soliders) Army Wide Rules; Platoon Fire Drill This rule will allow any platoon that is equipped with a Vox network in ALL squads to shoot through each other without granting the enemy cover saves. This will not effect each platoon as a whole as only members of the same platoon can fire through one another. - However there is talk of how people will keep track of who is who when the game starts without conversions. As such this may be scrapped or changed to effect every unit that has a vox provided a Master Vox is taken in each Command Squad. Lumbering Behemoth This rule is meant to show the Leman Russ as the workhorse of the Imperium. As such any Leman Russ(I have been told just Leman Russ this could mean all or just the MBT though)to fire all Offensive weapons as defensive weapons when they have moved a max of 6 inches. Note however firing the Ordnance of any such vehicle will still not allow it to fire other weapons. - This is/was a variant that allowed you to fire the Battle Cannon and any one weapon with it, this however has not been heard by my ears for sometime now. Advisers Attached the Command Squad of the officer in charge are various Advisers/Aides from different factions able to assist the guard in their fight. - Although about 12 have been tossed around these 4 I have heard several times; Priest 45 Points - Allows the entire army, once per game to fleet and gain +1 attack and reroll all failed to hits. May only happen in the IG players turn. Must be declared in the shooting phase. Naval Attachment 25 Points - This close support officer is observing the battle and is able to call in pin point strikes from the might ships of the Imperium in orbit. Once per game an Orbital Bombardment may be used in the IG players shooting phase. This strike will only scatter if a HIT is not rolled, and will only scatter D6 inches. Artillery Observer 40 Points - Can call in long range artillery well outside the active warzone. This can be used to call up to 3 Earthshaker rounds per game, they may come in any shooting phase the IG player wishes and can all be used at once or separately. They will always scatter 2D6 inches. Commissar Lord 40 Points - This man can install the fear and faith into any loyal servant. This unit will allow up to 10 Commissars to be attached to the Regiment rather than the usual 5 and will be able to once per game rally any and all fleeing IG units on the table automatically. The Units HQ The HQ is home to Special Characters of the IG as well as the required Field Command Platoon. Honestly the Special Characters have been flying around and there are about 18 choices with only 6 or so making it into the book. Personally I think we will see; Yarrik, Cain, Gaunt, Creed, and two or 3 of the new ones. Field Command Platoon. Consists of 1 Commanding Officer or Junior Commanding Officer(Roughly a SO or HSO)with 4 guardsmen. The unit can then add up to 1 of each Adviser. Can be taken as "Grenadiers" instead of regular Guard.(Also talk of this allowing up to 3 Storm Trooper squads to be taken as troops) May take a Chimera or Salamander Command Vehicle. 0-2 Veteran Squads(Replaced with Storm Troopers if the Grenadier option is taken) 0-2 Special Weapon Squads 0-2 Heavy Weapon Squads Max of 5 Squads can be taken. Primaris Psyker. Basically the Guard version of a Space Marine Librarian. Has Guardsmen stats, but has several powers it can choose from and can purchase a hood. This has been moved between its own choice and an adviser option several times. **When I mentioned that they were not so nice I meant the model, the rules will be fun i think sorry for any confusion)** Cadet? Commissars 0-5. These may be placed in any unit within an IG platoon. One per unit max. Do not use up an HQ choice. Also on the subject that 3 Heavy Bolter Commissar squad I have read about while very fluffy seems to be absent from anything I have seen. I am not sure if this was wishlisting that got absorbed or if I missed it. Elite Veteran Squads(No infiltrate) Storm Trooper Squads Sniper Team - 6 Models, all armed with Sniper Rifles, Camo Cloaks, Stealth[This would give them Stealth twice as the Camo Cloak gives them it too.....unless they are meant to get +2 to all cover saves], Range Finders and Infiltrate. *Also this squad has been considered to be moved as a 0-1 platoon option rather than an elite choice* Ogryns, I was mistaken here. The talk is T5 or FNP not both. Well at one time it was both but it was considered to "hard" for them. Nothing much changes except that someone wants 3A 3W for the same points. Ratlings - 10 Models, all with Sniper Rifles and BS 3[So I have read could change but might make our Sniper teams more elite]and Stealth. Their old rule for being small has simply been replaced for stealth. At 10 points each they are a steal. Spearhead Sentinels - That is right Armour in out elite section! Actually not much basically just a sentinel with 3 different weapons(Lascannon, Multi Melta, Plasma Cannon and 11 front Armour) This is the one I am most unsure about. The problem is whether to include them all as Sentinels or have two entries, and if so where do the entries go. Troops We have only one troop choice. It is the Infantry Platoon. **I know some talk of Penal Legion troops has been muttered somewhere. I cannot say for sure if these will make it. If they do they may very well be troops** Platoon Command(May take Chimera) 2-5 Infantry Squads(4 points each, may take 2 special weapons OR 1 Special and 1 Heavy, May take Chimera) 0-2 Heavy Weapon Squads(May not take Chimera) 0-2 Special Weapon Squads(May take Chimera) *0-1 Sniper Team(May not take Chimera) 5 Squads + Platoon Command Max Attachment; if all units have a Chimera then a Hellhound may be taken as part of the Platoon and not as a FA slot. If all units do not have a Chimera the squad may have a Scout Sentinel or Salamander Scout Vehicle Attached instead. -Chimeras have a wide variety of weapons including the popular Auto Cannon and a new one. The rules are virtually identical to the ones located in the IA update- Fast Attack **Honestly the Vehicles that this new Spanish site has posted have never come to me. I will not say for sure they aren't real as BoLS has had confirmations on one of them** Hellhound Salamander Scout Vehicle Scout Sentinel (See Spearhead) - This variant would be AV 10 all around, have scout and be equipped with a Heavy Bolter, Heavy Flamer, Autocannon, Multi Laser or twin CC Weapons. Vendetta/Vulture Gunship - 24 inch fast skimmer, may shoot all weapon no matter how fast it moves. Various loadouts Valkyrie - 24 inch fast skimmer. May carry Storm Troopers or Veteran Squads and deploy them even after moving 24 inches. Rough Riders Heavy Support **Honestly the Vehicles that this new Spanish site has posted have never come to me. I will not say for sure they aren't real as BoLS has had confirmations on one of them** Leman Russ Squadron - The Squadron has AV 14 at the front. Although people claim a 13 so this could change but I have heard no such change. This unit may ONLY be MBTs with no variants. The Squadron does NOT act like a Squadron and the vehicles may be placed separate. The choice is a 0-1. *This unit is one of the most unsure things around. Honestly GW wants it in there. The Leman Russ is EVERYWHERE the guard are, however playtesters are finding this 600ish point unit is "cheesy" If my opinion counts it will make it into the codex for fluff sake* Leman Russ Leman Russ Vanquisher Leman Russ Demolisher Leman Russ Exterminator *These are the only 4 I know for sure are being a "shoe in" for the codex. There are other variants being worked on/debated* Basilisk Griffin Medusa *Medusa is a possibility* |
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| ☺Jasevx | 11 Feb 2009, 07:08 PM Post #97 |
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glad someone else put that up, bn chomping at the bit! Little teaser, new sentinel kit, full plastic with armoured cab, hb, plasma etc |
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| ☺Dave38x | 11 Feb 2009, 09:01 PM Post #98 |
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sweet god thats a list i cant be bothered to read atm... As far as the valk goes, i will always prefer people to use it as a flyer, simply because the FW flyer rules are really good in terms of visual nature (flying runs across the table etc) |
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| Lt.Gregor | 11 Feb 2009, 09:44 PM Post #99 |
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I can't wait to see what's going to make the actual rules set... if Leman Russes get "lumbering" rule I'm build demoslishers with Plasma Cannons, or Meltas, finally something I can fire on the move. |
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| ☺Jasevx | 11 Feb 2009, 11:00 PM Post #100 |
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Already got three! ![]() Glad theyve finally redesigned the Russ turret, tho makes my lot obsolete! |
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