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New Forthcoming Guard; Inc Valk & stuff from Design Studio Day
Topic Started: 8 Feb 2009, 09:53 PM (28,071 Views)
crassius47
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20 Mar 2009, 12:59 PM
hmmm...I want a valk but they are pretty expensive for what they are, tho 1980s Soviet airborne is very tempting.
i had the same thought valk= Hind F, now to find that book on soviet forces in afghanistan, anyhow just preordered one £27.12, can't really moan.
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Railgunner
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Well called GW today and was told i'll get charged a few days before it's dispatched, which he said would be the beginning of next month. So iv eplaced the order and hopefully i'll be getting it early :)

RG
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cadian lord
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http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat1300106&prodId=prod1080069

is this the new box set. it says 1 Trooper with flamer and 1 Trooper with grenade launcher but the Shock Troops box set is the same.

and the new Sentinel i like the one in the back ground

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat1300110&prodId=prod1900031

and why is the cadian and Catachan Command Squad diffrent prices

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Edited by cadian lord, 21 Mar 2009, 07:01 PM.
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Brambleten
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is there more bits wit the catachan sprue? or they have taken into account that more people like the catachan medic and adjusted the price accordingly
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Lycosa Astra
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Just the standard fare for GW Online I'm afraid. There are often errors, especially with Advance Order items when they are first listed. Sometimes it's small things like the "Shadowlord" mistake in the Shadowsword/Stormlord description (which they still haven't fixed) or the recent CSM Chirugeon* Backpacks contents mistake which they have just corrected but managed to misspell Cypher as "Ciphar". :huh: Other contents or prices mistakes also happen like with the Strike Forces when they went up for Advance Order.

*Should really be Chirurgeon, but that's a whole different discussion.
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cadian lord
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what one is the right price btw
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Lycosa Astra
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21 Mar 2009, 07:49 PM
what one is the right price btw
Well, it "should" be £15. I say should because GW might change it, who knows what might happen with GW. There seems to be some discrepancies between the US independent retailers release list and the prices currently on the GW US store (which has NO price listed for the Cadian Commmand Squad. So your best bet is to ring GW if you want to place an order and make sure you get it all straight with them. Also check about free shipping for Advance Order items because some people got charged for it in the checkout of the online store and I don't think GW are supposed to charge shipping on Advance Order items within the same country?
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A quick question kind of on-topic.

A friend of mine has suggested that each army that is brought is more powerful than the last so that more people will buy them. Obviously the Orks were significanly up powered and it looks like the guard will be too. Or is it just that those two races were underpowered for quite a few years?
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☺highmarshaldave
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Aaah, codex creep. Never read a 2nd ed. codex have you? Erm, its a valid point, as such, an I think there does seem to be a little truth to it, though not for reasons of being underpowered. For many years, people such as Digits, Jase, Marovian, myself and others have been winning with the Imperial Guard. We won with the previous codex, and its sometimes confusing docrtines. We won with the codex before that, and its rather logical if slightly boring list. Hell, some of us even won with the horrible 3rd ed. rulebook transition list. So no, the Guard are not underpowered. They are, however, not Space Marines, therefor not attractive to the average 12 year old first time gamer. And thats what GW are trying to do, make them "cool" to newer and younger players at the expense of us vets who like our infantry doctrined, our valkyries flying and our tank varients out of giant hard baced books.

Rant over.

Dave out.
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i agree with what Dave said, and the fact that many veteran gamers would complain if their army was nerfed out of playability by a new dex means that GW are more likely to keep boosting stat lines here and there, dropping points in others in order for people to buy different units, or just to expand the units they have.

dammit, i've rambled on about nothing again
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Thats an interesting couple of points. My philosophy on this is that we have a great hobby because we buy miniatures from a very succesful, profitable company who can invest in the infrastructure to make great miniatures, lots of them, with all the stuff to back it up and play with. Therefore i am prepared to accept that they do have to have a profit motive to their actions (codex creep etc, making armies 'cool') or we'd all be playing thousands of different systems with substandard minitures.

Lets look at it from the point of view that the 12yr olds parents who pour millions into GW every year enable us to reap the benefits of a succesful multi national making our little men :)

heh.
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Ah, but what about us grizzled vets who are continually loo'd upon by the company we've suported, and often worked for, for so many years.

Dave out.
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Spot on, Dave. It's a pity that the hobbyists who have a true passion for it suffer so GW can attract more customers :-/
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I have to admit I've never seen it that way, maybe its because I'm looking for different things maybee its because i build rather than play, maybee because I wasnt doing 1st, 2nd edition and I dont get nostalgic over stuff. I know I am going to cause outrage now but I really see right now as a golden age. the rate and the quality (mainly, theres always one or 2 duff minis) of releases is phenomenal and all I see at the mo is 'great another cool kit that i can build/convert/tweak to my hearts content'. I accept GW for what they are, a commercial enterprise that produces cool toys. Ultimately it doesnt matter what game system, which manufacturer, its gonna change. model companys release stuff that will sell thats why the 1.35th market is swamped with german and american stuff. They release stuff and then they pull it when the sales wane (which is normally the point when you Really want to add that model to your collection) and then a few years down the line they release it again (they might even update a little but probably not).Hell! even Lego changes and thats just producing toys for the kids to play out their own games. They brought out the X wing and they've changed it what? twice now! mummy new X wing!- but you've got one already- but Mummy I want it. Pleeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaassssssssseeee!Why? cos it doesnt matter what it is you can only sell so many. if you want to maintain sales you have to get a new gimmick a new angle.So you had an army that kicked...ARSE. So the rules cahnge a bit, its a challenge to revamp that army and get something that will still kick. why stagnate?
Just accept it. It annoys the cak out of me when the paranoia, the 'evil empire' stuff rears its ugly head. Its a game! get over it. Want to be paranoid over something? take an interest in local and national politics, that'll do it.
want a game system that doesnt change? buy a chess board.
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# the_great_gonzo
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Golden age indeed OG. We haven't had it so good since the Romans gave us roads and sanitation!

Seriously though you have made a great point there, I believe we almost have too much cool stuff today, and not enough time to play with it all!!!!
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Wow, rant-tastic!

I agree that the "new shiney angle" is important to keep the influx of new recruits going (I worked for GW, remember) but I don't like the fact that it is done at the expense of sustainablity from veteran customers. After all, the number of 12 year old "I want that one mummy" kids that progress onto adult "I have disposable income and big ideas" vets is fairly small.

I do also agree that there are more kits and models than ever before but they are starting to run out of ideas and so are starting to encroach on Forge World's game. So to bring it up again, but it does just further prove my point, lol. I'm sure Cap'n Brown on the 'seer is not looking forward to the end of next month ;)

Sorry to ruffle your feathers Andy. All in good taste, mate. :D

Dave out.
Edited by highmarshaldave, 22 Mar 2009, 08:54 PM.
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22 Mar 2009, 08:51 PM
After all, the number of 12 year old "I want that one mummy" kids that progress onto adult "I have disposable income and big ideas" vets is fairly small.
Something true, from the one I saw at our local shop (which is now closed), not much of those keep playing it when they grow up. They start to look around, they have pocket money and they go out and buy other stuff... Some kids of 13/14 years old got a mobile phone I can only dream off :blink: And it is not that I buy that much stuff with my pocket money/earned money. The thing is just now that the children en kids got much earlier pocket money and companies know that, so they make stuff they will buy. And like old guard said not only GW, every company does it. When I took last year management as an extra course at school, we saw something that most companies use, find a public that will buy your stuff, make it interesting for them and they will buy it from you. And companies want to make money, a lot of money if possible, they will look to the public that will buy their stuff... And we all know that older, more veteran gamers will look at other sources first (ebay and such things), so that is why they take the younger audience...
sorry for the rant :unsure:
Edited by Novogord, 22 Mar 2009, 09:03 PM.
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# dean
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Woo... lets try out these new mod thingeys.... Gonzo's double post deleted.....
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# Old Guard
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No feathers ruffled Dave and I do recall your former employer. Hey I may be wrong! Maybee in the back room at my local they rub their hand with glee and chant sucker every time i leave with a black bag full of goodies , though I doubt that very much of the lads in the Southampton store ( big Up fella's.....and remember that the next time I come in ;) ).I dont really care. I do this for me. Its what stops me climbing the walls (or the clock tower with a highpowered weapon)and being horrible to those I care for. I need a release. It used too be training every other weekend to do harm to people on a large scale ( whilst if I'm honest about it, keeping my fingers crossed that I would never have to put into practice for real) Now its this (and to be fair I've never woken up wet, freezing cold and with an 8 mile walk with half my own body weight on my back to look forward to whilst doing the hobby!)


I've watched in horrified awe over at a place that i shall not name, at the BS that people pin on GW. Hey for a while I thought they shot kenedy! People get too serious over this, there was some tool who had a cracking Ork site who has virtually ground to a halt because as he put it 'it's a protest against GW changing the Ork Codex! GET A LIFE!!!! I'm sure there was much knashing of teeth and consideration of reaching for the old service revolver in Nottingham over that one. He's hurting no one but himself!. IT'S A GAME!!!, I cant understand these people that follow GW's share price What the hell is that about?!?, I mean dont get me wrong if they went bust I would be gutted. THIS IS my hobby and I do have a certain passion for it ( you only have to lookk at the expression on she who must be obeyed's face when I talk about this, to see that) but It's not life and death ....well, it is, but of plastic and metal miniatures.

I was once told by a GW guy that whilst obviously profit is an important factor, at the moment its not THE most important factor, the real goal is more feet young or old through the door The count of introductary games is what they look to. Sustainability. Ensuring that there is a future.
12 year olds are fickle and again you only have to look at the 200 points of SW the 500 of necrons the 1000 or so of Orks the BT, the tau tucked in the back of my cupboard where my eldest kept changing his mind. he hasnt picked anything up in about 3 years. Will he return to it, dont know. Though i suspect in time he will. There's only ever going to be a percentage of all those feet through that door that are going to keep coming back. I would suspect that over 50% of all purchases end up in a bin, on Ebay, or in a car boot sale. such is the way of it. So that forces decisions, that means that SM are always going to feature large and DE are going to be at the back of the queue (hmmm go on, I dare you. Justify selling murderous sado masochist, torturers to under 18 year olds!!)
I will hapilly take what I can get and what I cant get I'll keep asking for and try to create my own.

I'm as excited as a 12 year old on his first vist over the new guard stuff and have an impossible list of things to create from it. ....Bu t I tell you what, I'm going to give it a bloody good go.
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# Digits
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Yup, me too.

Let me just say this on the subject. HMD was absolutely spot on a few posts back when he said people had been winning with Guard armies for a long time. Fact is, if you adopt a style of play to suit YOUR army, no matter WHAT that army is, playing both to the fluff and adapting your deployment / tactics / aggression to suit the stat-lines, you will win games anyway.

The ONLY thing that has annoyed me over the last few years of releases, is the splitting of daemons from the Chaos SM book, and not even allowing them as allies - total baloney that as it moves from the fluff of 40k!

However, with every new Codex comes a range of shiny figures and vehicles. More often than not, the quality and range of these models make accepting any minor changes to stat-lines / doctrines easy and forgivable. It also means that instead of stagnating and playing the army in the same manner for the next few years, you have to learn to overcome and improvise the way in which you fight your army, indeed much like a real general would have to.

Don't think for one minute that making these rule / codex changes is aimed squarely at getting 12 year olds into the game. GW are not stupid - they KNOW who buys the largest volume of their wares.
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