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female marines; fluff or just fun?
Topic Started: 4 Jan 2009, 07:16 PM (1,662 Views)
EvilShoepolisher
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Did you want chips with that sir ?

Maybe a scooby snack?

Hmm?

No i didnt think so
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Doctor Thunder
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14 Jan 2009, 08:30 PM
Did you want chips with that sir ?

Maybe a scooby snack?

Hmm?

No i didnt think so
Okay, now I'm just confused. :)
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EvilShoepolisher
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What inspired you to make female marines ?
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14 Jan 2009, 08:33 PM
What inspired you to make female marines ?
Comic Books and Sci-Fi Movies, mostly. With a little anime sprinkled for flavor. :)
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No offence intended but have you ever thought of just buying anime models?
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14 Jan 2009, 08:41 PM
No offence intended but have you ever thought of just buying anime models?
Never really thought about it. My favorite part of the hobby is converting models and then fielding them in tournaments, and you can't really do that with anime figurines. :)
Edited by Doctor Thunder, 14 Jan 2009, 08:48 PM.
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EvilShoepolisher
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I like 40k also but a part of me feels that , whilst they are nice models female space marines shouldn't really have tits because there Armour would encase them so much they wouldn't be visible.
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14 Jan 2009, 08:49 PM
I like 40k also but a part of me feels that , whilst they are nice models female space marines shouldn't really have tits because there Armour would encase them so much they wouldn't be visible.
Yes, that's exactly how I did them:

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Edited by Doctor Thunder, 14 Jan 2009, 08:53 PM.
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# Digits
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Take Fatima Whitbread (Steve, please don't take that remark literally! :P ). With all the steroids she was probably pumping, her chest had effectively disappeared and her hips were not those of a curvy woman.

With all the drugs and alterations a marine undergoes during his transition, it would be fair to say a woman undergoing same would possibly have lost some female definition. Therefore in modelling terms, there is no reason to define breasts or a narrow waistline on them. Indeed, to achieve the musculature necessary to wear the armour, she would have a positively hideous figure!!!!!!

I'm glad the argument has been supported with clear GW quotes and rational thinking by most here.

Uhlan - please do not resent the fact you posted here. You are clearly capable of giving valid and reasoned opinion. Why not get a project log up and running of stuff you like to see in the 40k world?
Edited by Digits, 14 Jan 2009, 09:00 PM.
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In modelling terms though we have certain perceptions of the female form and have since the Greeks and Romans so yes, you have to have the breasts and the curves. A woman shouldn't have to sacrifice her form just to be the equal of men. Thats spinning off into a whole other tangent though.

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Uhlan - please do not resent the fact you posted here. You are clearly capable of giving valid and reasoned opinion. Why not get a project log up and running of stuff you like to see in the 40k world?

Clearly I'm not entitled to my opinion then :) Posting here has been, in all honesty, pointless. Thats why in the last posted I bolded the 'In my opinion' section...

I'd rather project log on other site. This whole thing has proven to me that trying to post here and get effective criticism, or have a debate about the fluff and peoples opinions is pointless. I'll stick to more constructive websites thanks and just keep lurking.
 
# Digits
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Eh? I just said that you gave a good argument! How does that equeate to "Clearly I'm not entitled to my opinion then "? lol.

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EvilShoepolisher
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So no one for chips ??

Caeser salad anyone ?

( no sauce steve , dont even ask)



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Rob, thanks for that injection of hilarity....

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14 Jan 2009, 06:36 PM
At the Los Angeles 2008 Games Day, where my female marines came in third overall at the Tournament, I showed my Black Widows Female Space Marines to Phil Kelly, and his reaction was, and I quote, “F*#%ing awesome, that’s what the hobby is all about!”
Just found your cheesy pic on the site :D What you need to do is make a female chaptermaster(mistress) and get it in Golden Demon

Every time I see some more of you marine I do think that I'd like to build some myself - apart from anything else a Jump pack equipped squad of Valkyries for my Space Wolves would look great and fit in perfectly with the already fluff straining camoflague on tanks and Marine Superheavy!
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You know Doctor Thunder, I'm really not into the concept of female marines at all, I never have been. I've just read this thread from start to finish however and you provide a side to the debate I had never really considered before. I'm still not convinced but I nearly was. ;)

I think the problem stems from the fact that the 40k universe is something alot of people invest in. By that I mean in terms of finance, skill, determination and imagination. Due to this, each individual can be quite precious about his or her take on the 40k 'canon'.

My biggest bugbear is people writing graffiti on Ork vehicles in english. Some ruber lipped [foolish person] of a staff member in the Brighton GW store had done as much the other day and I hate it. You wouldn't write in English on a Tau or Eldar vehicle so why an Ork one. GW have been good enough to give a comprehensive guide to the Ork glyph language in the codex and incase anyones freehand skills aren't up to it, transfers and plastic components exist that do the job just as well.

So anyway, I got really worked up about it, left, then realised I was mad about a plastic battlewagon. It shouldn't happen but it does and we are all guilty of losing it over something dumb sometimes.

I would never have believed that GW produced an RT era female marine though. I bet it is rare.

On a different note, though I feel you are still developing your conversion and GS skills, your painting is excellent. Very crisp and clean.

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Hmmm, Antipope your comments about Ork glyph language have given me food for thought. Im guilty of doing that a fair amount (and on the boyz themselves, shoulder pads etc) and your right it doesnt make any sense. Its a bit of a challenge to do it in glyphs and also means you can hide horrendous insults and language in Orky vernacular!

Female marines look wicked.
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Doctor thunder, speak to warpy about getting a model knocked up of that Female Marine photoshop you did on page two, would be fantastic to see in the flesh!
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14 Jan 2009, 04:50 AM
40K doesn't have canon. In fact, 40K is very different then almost any other sci-fi you are likely to encounter. And I don’t mean that it’s gothic and vast. I mean that it is written without the 3rd person objective voice ever being used.
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40K, however, never does this.
Eh, that's a bit misleading. 40k has canon in as much as everything written for it is canonical, and very little is more canonical than the rest. Obviously there's the predominant universe, but as the other quotation suggests: it's very open and very broad. They themselves see it as a mutable thing. The canon is there and it's canon...but that doesn't mean the same thing as is does for, say, the Doctor Who universe or the Star Wars universe. Just because one thing is said in one place needn't mean another is used elsewhere.

As for the 3rd person objective voice? Consider the codices. The background pieces of the Necron Codex in particular. Whilst the 'objective narrative' for the majority of codices is typically 'in race', either Tau for example, or Imperial. The Necron Codex provided such clear account of what ought to be highly obscure events it was, in a manner, a storm. Part of the issue many folks have, I suppose, is that it stripped away 'mystery' and replaced it with "This is what happened in the war in heaven, this is what the deciever did to ruin the gothic sector", largely due to the obvious nature of the implications.

A more subjective outlook is what most folks hope for. Or at least a less authoratative narration. The God's-Eye view of the Necron Codex is compelling reading in a spoilery-sense, but it lays down the law, as it were.

On Female Marines

Use a better phrase than 'knocked up'! :-/

Much in the sense above: canonically it's 'no female marines', but with the qualifier that canon means nothing if you've got an idea you like. It's somewhat silly to argue either way: You can step away from the canonical and do whatever the hell you want. I'm highly content in my neatly organised 40k (spotting contradictions, figuring out ways to reconcile them, insinuating deeper motives unsaid in an effort to make it 'make sense'), but I can absolutely see why folks'd like to do things differently!

With regards to the exceedingly 'femine' astartes pictured earlier, my only quip would be that it looks a bit silly. That is: Astartes are hardly 'man shaped', are they? Femastartes are unlikely to be 'woman shaped'. Or rather: the bulk of the chest (as in the ribcage fusing, the flesh sockets, the extra room for organs, the super-pumped anatomy etc) is itself going to be incredibly distorted. Same with legs, hips, arms etc. Then add on the super-thick armour plate.

If I were modelling/arting from a view as to 'how it might actually work', then I highly doubt it'd look like that. I always enjoyed the 'proper anatomy' Astartes who've been 'stretched' slightly and made more properly proportional to the art-work rather than the 28mm models as standard. It's worth pointing out the models at present aren't exactly...accurate...
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xisor, while threadromancy is forgivable, this thread was dead for a reason :P

good points though
Edited by Dave38x, 15 Mar 2009, 06:32 AM.
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Threads not closed Dave, so conversation can continue if it wants.

The original issue with this thread has been sorted out, so I see no reason that the conversation can't continue. And I personally know Xisor and can vouch for him being objective and accepting of others views without flaming/insulting them.

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