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| Andy | Sep 6 2009, 09:35 PM Post #1 |
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OK, I am officially p*ssed off. This may not be the correct place to air these grievances, but I’m not joining the nuthouse called “Calico Skies”. Besides, the thread over there is talking about here, so I figured what’s good for the goose… Apparently, the big hot topic is Lissa (mozart8mytoe) - and certain people have got it into their heads that it was either me or Bill. Although, you can’t type the name “Bill” on Calico Skies because it comes up **w*nker**. First of all, can I just say how upset I was when Reverend Dave PM’d me about Lissa’s death. I read the PM first thing in the morning and then went into the bedroom, woke Fiona up and we both cried… and then I had to work out how I could break the news to everyone. I was hit hard by the news and, in fact, it was realising that the whole thing had been a hoax which was the final nail in SF’s coffin, as far as I was concerned, and that was one of the biggest reasons behind my decision to announce the closure of the forum. I was disillusioned and sad at the way things had turned out. I worked my bollocks off for this forum and was an extremely regular poster here. What makes people think that I would have the time and inclination to be all these other alter-egos on Strawberry Fields as well as holding down a demanding full-time job? More importantly, why would people think that I would do this to my friends? Truth is, I was duped just as much as other people. Although Bill has been very vocal on the fact that there is no firm evidence to show that all or some of these people were fake, I don’t believe that he is behind this, either. Why? Many reasons. Firstly, because of the time and effort he put into contributing to and moderating this forum. Secondly, the posting style of mozart8mytoe/Adilah/Rev. Dave/Mia Culpa - very different to the way Bill writes. He’s a smart bloke, but I doubt whether he could so convincingly pull something like this off. Bill and I disagree on the crux of the matter - as to whether there were these four different posters. Personally, I think there is just one person behind the four accounts - and I believe it to be the person who is currently posting a blog (Mia Culpa). However, that’s just theory and I‘ve said all along that . We’ll probably never know the truth. Personally, I don’t care any more, but I do care if vicious rumours are spreading about it being me - or Bill - behind what I consider to be an extremely cruel hoax. Let’s face it, if it was me, why the hell would I “expose” this whole thing? It never occurred to me that Lissa could have been fake until I spent a night walking around London with Peter - and it was after that, I started to dig deeper… and then shared my findings with the board, because I thought people deserved to know what was going on. I wish I hadn’t bloody bothered now, because it’s come back to slap me in the face. Edit by Admin. This doesn't need to be made public. Yes, I’m still a little bitter and it’d be nice to have split up on good terms and feel as if I could trust her to not run me down in private and public. That, however, didn’t happen, and I have to face reality. It would be good if certain people would keep their big mouths shut and not comment on things when they don’t know the complete story… but that’d be no fun, would it? I know who my friends are and I have been really lucky at the amount of support I’ve received and the people who have been there for me - but I could really do without the sniping and accusations, because, quite honestly, I don’t deserve it. Edited by Queenbee, Sep 8 2009, 12:49 AM.
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| BeatleBarb | Sep 6 2009, 10:10 PM Post #2 |
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Andy - I can certainly understand your exasperation with the whole Lissa thing. Just for the record and for what's it worth, I'm still confused but never thought for a minute it was you or Bill. However, I really don't know who it was and I guess it's still a mystery for many. As said before, just like you and others, I was really affected by this and shed tears and concern over this - gosh - who wouldn't? As far as the personal things between you and Fiona, I'm sorry your breakup has been such a source of pain for you. It's unfortunate that the personal details have been played out in such a way on the internet. I certainly can understand your frustration and do hope you remain happy and healthy. It's all about one step at a time. I wish you the best and hope things settle down. |
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| beatlechick | Sep 6 2009, 10:14 PM Post #3 |
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Andy, you know I love ya (I love Fiona, too) and know that both of you had a lot of problems in the relationship you had. I really feel for the two of you and all of the hurt and anger. I'm going through similar, though no affairs but lots of hurt and anger, with my relationship. Being that I'm a member both here and CS, I have told them that they are not to expect any opinions on people here but when they started insinuating that you and Bill may be behind the hoax, I did do some speaking up. Sarah F (Pip) and Peter have also voiced their concerns. The conversation has now gone back to figuring out who did perform the hoax, common belief is this Rev Dave since he is in China and I remember you stating that the ISP of all accounts was in China. Unfortunately some people will believe in those rumors no matter what is said but at least the truth is out there. I just hope that the person that put this hoax together has really figured what a stupid, selfish assh*le they are! Andy, I'm glad that you're doing better. You and I both need to find that key to mend broken hearts. Fiona does too! |
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| Andy | Sep 6 2009, 10:32 PM Post #4 |
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Thanks for your responses, Barb & Cathy. I guess I'm a little cynical about Fiona needing to mend a broken heart. My immediate reaction is that you'd have to find it first, but that's probably unfair. Although I shouldn't really give a damn about what certain people think, I am really quite upset at the thought that people really think that I could do something so low as to be anything to do with the mozart8mytoe hoax. If, indeed, there was a hoax. It was only a theory - one which I still believe, I hasten to add. It's kind of a backhanded compliment to my "writing skills" that people think I could do something like that, I guess. I'm not exactly flattered, though. My one and only alias on the forum (Venus & Mars) was when I was taking 'time out' from the board. I've never ran two accounts, while posting at the same time. Venus & Mars only lasted for about a week. In a way, I wish I'd never "confessed" to that. It's brought me nothing but mistrust. Whoever said that honesty is the best policy was asking for trouble. |
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| BeatleBarb | Sep 6 2009, 10:49 PM Post #5 |
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Andy - You're human and of course you care what others think, unless you're a heartless a-hole and I don't believe that for a minute. I've been going through a similar thing for the last 4 years where I'm being disparaged and lied about by a family member to others (some of which use to be close family and friends) and although I know it's not the truth, it hurts deeply and the betrayal and abandoment is sometimes unbearable. I still struggle with the hurt and in fact, just wrote a good-bye letter to my sister and this time...I mailed it. I feel so much better and I hope to end that chapter of my life. I hope you can heal and carry on as well. In any event, I wouldn't worry too much about the Venus and Mars alias - you're not the only one who has had another persona here on the board. |
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| beatlechick | Sep 6 2009, 10:56 PM Post #6 |
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Barb, does this mean that weekend tryst with Paul didn't happen?!? Glad you wrote it out and mailed it. Writing things out really does help ease your pain! |
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| BeatleBarb | Sep 6 2009, 11:02 PM Post #7 |
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Still working on the tryst I wrote my letter with no agenda, no regrets, no posturing, no guilt-tripping - just the truth and how I feel and how this has impacted me and to really say goodbye to the pain and to the sister I once had. I really feel as I've done something positive and that I didn't fail, just finally moved on. Sorry to hijack the thread, Andy. |
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| pood for paul | Sep 6 2009, 11:05 PM Post #8 |
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Andy~ For what it's worth, I don't believe you or Bill were involved with the whole mess....... It never ceases to amaze me, how many childish people there are on this and other boards.
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| Andy | Sep 6 2009, 11:08 PM Post #9 |
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No worries, Barb. We all have our problems - unfortunately. I just echo what Cathy said - at least you've told her how you feel. Writing, in itself, is therapeutic. |
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| Andy | Sep 6 2009, 11:08 PM Post #10 |
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Thanks, Judy. I appreciate it. |
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| Bill | Sep 6 2009, 11:52 PM Post #11 |
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I have nothing to add to what I've already said. Boy, that's some sacrifice to make just to shitcan me. **w*nker** Clinton Health-care **w*nker** **w*nker**y Joel
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| LadyMacca | Sep 7 2009, 12:04 AM Post #12 |
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So THAT'S what all that w*nker business all about on there! I visited the sight just to see what they were all up to an they were all having a laugh over something. After deciding i was to lazy to even see what it was about, I haven't been back since. It's just confusing.. Andy If you ever wanna talk or need a shoulder to cry on, I've gotcha.
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| Andy | Sep 7 2009, 12:12 AM Post #13 |
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Many thanks, Liz. =) I can't believe how desperately pathetic that **w@nker** business is. I think that's annoyed me just as much as anything else. |
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| LadyMacca | Sep 7 2009, 12:21 AM Post #14 |
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Yeah that's just childish IMO. |
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| Rose | Sep 7 2009, 12:36 AM Post #15 |
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Andy... one of the few people that could pull me back into SF... For the record... I never thought for one minute that Andy or Bill (I am a member of Calico Skies... but I don't post there any more than I post here... but I did wonder why people were typing B!ll... now I know) had anything to do with Lissa. I'm still not sure what I think about the whole Lissa bulls h i t... but honestly, I've stopped thinking about it long ago. Who gives a s h i t anymore? No one is going to shed any light on this... why waste time on it? And Andy. You know how I feel about you. When we talked on FB... I was pretty sure where your relationship was headed... and it was hard to watch. But Love springs eternal... yes? I love both you and Fiona... I only wish the best for both of you... But you are dealing with devastating heartbreak the best you know how... Whatever gets you through the night... it's all right... You seem happier lately, Andy... I hope you continue to find it. You deserve it. I hope you find some measure of peace... and move forward with your life. Please take care. xoxo |
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| Andy | Sep 7 2009, 12:49 AM Post #16 |
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Thanks, Joanne. You're one special lady.
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| wackadoo | Sep 7 2009, 01:04 AM Post #17 |
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I am so sorry about your pain, Andy. You do seem like you've been letting some of it go. I agree with Joanne that you've seemed happier lately. People will never disappoint us in their cruelty. I wish people would just mind their own business. You and Fiona have been through so much. I do believe that she is just dealing with adulthood. As mature and intelligent as she seems, she is still very young. I do believe she will learn lessons from all of this and she will be sorry. I don't think she has ill intent in spite of her actions. After meeting you, I know your intentions are honorable. I could tell Andy, that you were the real deal. Some of your posts of late have reflected your hurt but I have no doubt that you loved Fiona and were wonderful to her. I hope you can move on from this and put it behind you, learning whatever lesson you were supposed to learn. Life is a constant learning experience. |
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| FamousGroupie | Sep 7 2009, 01:12 AM Post #18 |
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Andy, I was right there in the thick of it when the Lissa incident was unravelling, but I was disinclined to believe Peter, due to personal history. Never once did I suspect anyone other than Rev Dave or Mia Culpa to be behind the whole thing. I know I gave you a very hard time when you were thinking of closing the forum, but in my defence, I was dealing with some very difficult personal issues myself. It's probably a very good thing that I am not part of the goings-on at Calico Skies, because blood would have been spilled. Tony's and Linda's, specifically. Again, bad personal history with those two, but it infuriates me to know that they're shit-canning one of my best friends all over the 'net. As for Fiona, I just have one thing to say: Karma's a b*tch. |
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| Jacaranda | Sep 7 2009, 01:13 AM Post #19 |
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Very strange behavior over there at CS to say the least. How unfortunate. This weird behavior regarding Bill is just childish to boot. Of course Bill and Andy didn't have anything to do with the whole Lissa fiasco. There is no doubt in my mind it was Rev. Dave all along assuming all the identities, probably with some assistance from others outside of here (or possibly Mia, if she was real). All of us that were mods or admins at the time know the truth. Everyone else is simply speculating Andy for their own entertainment, for whatever reason. And about you and Fiona, Andy, that is private between you both. I am sorry to hear that people are now condemning you publicly. I hope that you find a quick path to healing...I am glad to hear that you are at least a bit better. Best wishes to you as always. |
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| Cleo | Sep 7 2009, 01:29 AM Post #20 |
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Rev Dave made public his phone number. Did these people call him? No because they didn't have the guts. The advice I can give to these busy bodies is: get a life fat arses! |
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| Bill | Sep 7 2009, 01:39 AM Post #21 |
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Exactly! And the really funny thing about that phone number is that if you call it, he answers. Go figure! |
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| beatlechick | Sep 7 2009, 01:41 AM Post #22 |
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Doesn't matter anymore. Just sucks what is going on.
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| Andy | Sep 7 2009, 09:53 AM Post #23 |
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Some feedback via facebook: Tony Hempfer 07 September at 01:11 Report Sorry Andy, the world doesn't revolve around you. I do have other friends who I may talk about. Hell I may even have an ex who is stalking me, imagine that. Now if it hit to close to home then I am sorry. Tony Hempfer 07 September at 04:09 Report But I actually see that maybe it was more about you then I thought. Must make you feel like a man posting about Fiona like that. What a big man you are Andy, degrading her like that. Did it make you feel good? It really is pathetic. I hope your daughters never meet a man like you. Oh and no I don't think you were Lissa, I do however think you know who it is and are covering it up. And yes I do believe it is the w*nker ![]() Andy Sweeney 07 September at 10:16 It's all the truth - and you're a f*cking idiot to think that I know who it is and am covering it up. You're a cowardly sh*t, hiding behind the internet to say what you think and you have no idea what has gone on between Fiona and I for me to have to got to this point - now butt out of other people's lives. --- And on CS; tonyhemp Oh, and one last thing. Andy, it takes a big man to degrade and humiliate someone he professes to love. It is what wife beaters and cowards do. I can't say it doesn't surprise me seeing your true colors. Just sad that so many of Fiona's friends at SF don't feel the need to call you out on your bad behavior. --- Just for the record, I don't love Fiona. Not any more. Not after everything. My feelings have gone towards the other end of the spectrum, unfortunately. That's why it's a hell of a lot easier to talk about all of the hurt and betrayal now. Is telling the truth about what she did degrading and humiliating? Well, only if what she did was something to be ashamed of. Lisa, you're right, this all should be between Fiona and I, but it has been made public by Tony - and I don't believe for a minute that it wasn't aimed at me, considering the amount of untrue and, frankly, libellous accusations posted about me - and Bill - by some of the members there recently. Why can't people keep their noses out of things that just don't concern them? |
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| Andy | Sep 7 2009, 10:13 AM Post #24 |
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In one of the posts in the music section, that popular American music magazine is, according to CS, **W@NKER@**board. It'd be funny if it wasn't so pathetic. |
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| Bill | Sep 7 2009, 11:17 AM Post #25 |
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Oh, I think it's pretty funny. No, really. I couldn't have asked for a better laugh to start the day with.
Gutless wonder* * NB: The world does not revolve around Tony. I may be talking about a completely different gutless wonder and just happened to hit home. Place your bets. |
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| Andy | Sep 7 2009, 02:47 PM Post #26 |
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Thank you for your reply, Mary Ann. Yes, I have been happier lately, things are getting easier for me and I'm looking to the future - I just need to completely let go of the past. It's happening. I hope you're right about Fiona. She's told me that she never meant to hurt me, but actions speak louder than words, sometimes - you know. I'm not proud of everything I've done during the break up and afterwards... but I was seriously screwed up and she kept me dangling for a long time. Admittedly, I've been completely honest about things I probably should have kept quiet about, because that's the kind of guy I am and it was all part of me trying to make sense of all of this. I appreciate the kind and practical words people have shared with me. |
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| BeatleBarb | Sep 7 2009, 03:05 PM Post #27 |
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I should probably stay out of this and not even make the following comment, but if I'm being totally honest Andy, I must say I do wish the details about you and Fiona were kept private. I know you feel you have to clear the air, and I totally understand that concept, but a lot of us don't need to know the very private details and I'm just thinking that it may make life more difficult for you and Fiona....just sayin'. |
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| manon | Sep 7 2009, 03:12 PM Post #28 |
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Hi Andy, I am glad you are getting better. A break-up is never easy when love is involved. It hurt feelings and sometime the reactions are not what we would have choose in a more rational situation. Anyway, nobody is perfect, it is beside you and Fiona and I am not the one to juge any of you. I just wish both of you will get happier with time. Take care. Manon |
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| iscreamer1 | Sep 7 2009, 03:42 PM Post #29 |
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Just for the record I defended you and William (took three tries before I could get it not to say the other thing) but I was ignored. Sometimes I'm too passive. As for your personal issues, I agree with Mary-ann that Fiona is just experiancing the trials of youth. Unfortunately it has resulted in a very broken heart for you (and possibly her) and I am sorry for that. Everyone deserves happiness and I hope that both of you find it in the near future. |
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| Andy | Sep 7 2009, 04:15 PM Post #30 |
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Thanks Irene. However, I don't really buy into the whole "trials of youth" thing. Look, we're talking about someone who is 22 years old here. At 22, I had been married for over a year and had a child. At that age, my sister had three children and was a great, committed Mum. It's very possible that many people in the US have a greater expectation for a prolonged childhood and an absolution of responsibility than here in the UK, but the whole follies of youth thing isn't any excuse for the way she's behaved. I'm sorry if it has been uncomfortable reading for some of you. People have shared their relationship/break up stories before, just happens that this time you "know" both of us. If Tony hadn't have posted what he did on facebook, I wouldn't have felt compelled to share any of it, but when someone tells you that you're a cowardly cyber-stalker and as low as a wife-beater, there's something about those kind of accusations that make me want to defend myself and tell people exactly why I've been so bitter. I'm not saying it's right, I'm just telling you the way it is. |
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| Bag O' Nails | Sep 7 2009, 08:31 PM Post #31 |
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I just wanted to say that I was surprised when I heard *who* the suspects were and that is the only reason I started to google things. I never suspected either of these people to be the real culprits, and I've sent both of them messages to straighten out any misunderstandings. And for the record, I don't believe either of them to be to blame for pretending to be Lissa or any of the other characters involved in this mystery! If any of my posts looked like accusations, them I'm sorry because they weren't meant to be! I'm putting this to rest for good. Edited by Bag O' Nails, Sep 7 2009, 08:49 PM.
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| DCBeatle64 | Sep 7 2009, 09:18 PM Post #32 |
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This is getting ridiculously tedious now And can I just say that for the record I dont think it was Bill and I certainly dont think it was Andy anyway...actually I dont give 2 shits who it was. I dont have any emotional attachments to people I havent met partly for that reason coz you still dont know who is behind that computer. Cant believe I've been off this thing (and CS I must add) for like a month and its back to this sh*t of conspiracy theoriesm oir brining the other side down. Just get it out your system...I'm sure there are Beatles things comin up which was what these places were started for in the first place I'm fed up of this whole act of bullsh*t Edited by DCBeatle64, Sep 7 2009, 09:35 PM.
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| Queenbee | Sep 7 2009, 09:58 PM Post #33 |
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I'll have to admit I did ask a few around here when we were trying to figure out who did use all of us with the Lissa story line, if it could be Andy. Only because he is such a great writer and for no other reason. But I didn't think Andy was that mean spirited to do that to us. I never thought it was be Bill just because he doesn't strike me as the type to be bother with such foolishness to others. The IP numbers I did check out, are for Taiwan. I do have a few suggestions to check out when I have nothing better to do. If she was or wasn't real, I don't know how I feel. I don't let the situation get me in a tizzy and start putting people down without the facts. I guess till I'm proven different, I say she did exist. If the few things I'm going to check out don't, then I'll completely believe it was a hoax and let it RIP. |
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| temptresss | Sep 7 2009, 10:00 PM Post #34 |
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there ain't NO ONE in this whole world worth losing your heart over (and that includes PM). your heart is in your body where it belongs and to enjoy the simple pleasures of life. in the end we are all that we have. any of the bad crap (and we've all had it) is for learning purposes only but i'm not real sure why. the million dollar question...anyway, those weary treads in your heart will smooth out in time. i can see it happening already!!! (alsoidontcareaboutlissarevdavemiathatsjustbswecanlivewithout) |
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| Andy | Sep 7 2009, 10:10 PM Post #35 |
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Ah, never mind.
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| temptresss | Sep 7 2009, 10:32 PM Post #36 |
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were you dave or lissa? (winky dink) |
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| Bag O' Nails | Sep 7 2009, 10:34 PM Post #37 |
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Andy please read your message from me to your Facebook. |
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| Andy | Sep 7 2009, 10:41 PM Post #38 |
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Heidi, please read my reply.
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| Andy | Sep 7 2009, 10:59 PM Post #39 |
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I feel like laughing, but I think I just started crying instead.
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| temptresss | Sep 7 2009, 11:16 PM Post #40 |
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aw, come to mama. it REALLY will be ok. you'll see. |
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| beatlechick | Sep 7 2009, 11:53 PM Post #41 |
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All I really have to say is I agree with both Barb and Dani. Now that what happened has been made public, I still wish the best for the both of you. As for what Mary Ann said, if I remember correctly Fiona was just out of high school when you guys fell in love online. This is one of a few reasons, but one of the major ones, why teenage marriages don't normally work. You're so in love and you don't think it will ever end. As maturity starts to hit, when the happens let me know as I'm not mature yet, you start realize that the initial infatuation time does end but a lot of teenagers don't feel or know that. Perhaps that is what Fiona was going through. Like Dani, I wish this bullshite between the 2 groups would end. This internet is big enough for all of us. Why can't we just get along and not fall apart? |
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| Andy | Sep 8 2009, 11:38 AM Post #42 |
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Thank you, Fiona, for your post on Calico Skies. I guess you're a bigger person than I am. I feel like sh*t if that's any consolation. |
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| ohnotjimagain | Sep 8 2009, 11:53 AM Post #43 |
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How I agree with you Dani. There are hardly any post's worth reading on this site these days so I'm not around as much as I'd like, but what do we get, all this arguments and people falling out over people we now know never existed! I do understand that some got very upset when 'Lissa' died, I did myself. But let it go. It was someone's sick prank. Uness the culprit own's up we will never know who it was. Tomorrow is Beatles day. All You Need Is Love etc Let's put all this backbiting behind us and get back to what we all joined this site for, our love of The Beatles and their wonderful music. |
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| LadyMacca | Sep 8 2009, 01:14 PM Post #44 |
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| Andy | Sep 8 2009, 06:17 PM Post #46 |
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I'm sorry. It has just been a lot easier for me to feel bitterness and resentment than to still love you. I saw red at what was being posted about me and I let it all out. I shouldn't have. |
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| pood for paul | Sep 8 2009, 08:39 PM Post #47 |
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Andy~ You're not the first, not will you be the last, to speak out of hurt and frustration. Many times I have done the same thing, only to wish I could take back the words..... Perhaps, someday you and Fiona can be somewhat friendly-looks like an olive branch might be on the horizon.....I hope so, for both of your sakes. |
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| manon | Sep 9 2009, 12:33 AM Post #48 |
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That is exactly what I mean in my previous post. You express it better than me. Time will help. |
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| beatlechick | Sep 9 2009, 01:31 AM Post #49 |
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Believe me, Andy, I've had to bite my tongue a lot to not scream at my boyfriend/roommate out of anger and frustration. He doesn't understand why I cry when he won't let me touch him and I don't understand why he won't let me touch him. He backs away from me and says NO! It's always easier to feel bitterness and resentment. Anger and hurt, too. Life is full of challenges and this is one of them. Unfortunately this challenge can hurt you more than anything else. It's when you start overlooking that and going beyond that you start to win and get better. It seems that with Fiona's post at CS, and my urging to end this fight (as well as others, too), things may be a bit better. After all, Judy was able to get Tony to get rid of the Bill filter. Amen to that! |
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| Dorfliedot | Sep 9 2009, 01:38 AM Post #50 |
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Tony, thinks it me.. hey, I can pretend to be many people. Matter fact I play a few chacters on Myspace. If you want to blame me. It's ok with me. However, I must be a great writer.
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| Bill | Sep 9 2009, 01:45 AM Post #51 |
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True. Very true. It's so difficult to open our hearts. |
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| Dorfliedot | Sep 9 2009, 02:09 AM Post #52 |
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Regardless or not of this situation I still feel for the people of this board and others on myspace. OR on PM.com, life is too short and, you take chances in life. That is just how the cookie crumbles. |
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| fab4fan | Sep 9 2009, 03:07 AM Post #53 |
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Lisa, If all you mods/administrators "know the truth" why are you guys hiding it from us? Just asking, not trying to come off as accusatory or anything. BTW, was Alaska all that its made out to be?
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| Jacaranda | Sep 9 2009, 03:12 PM Post #54 |
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John, The truth is simple. The facts are exactly what Andy said on this board when he announced the hoax. We are hiding absolutely nothing and we don't have any reason to do so. We (the mods and admins at the time) didn't do anything but discover this situation. Andy did not create this hoax and neither did Bill, nor I or Irene or Lisa or Clare. From all our circumstantial evidence, of several posts of Rev. Dave and Lissa originating from Taiwan from the same IP-- not mainland China -- I have concluded that Rev. Dave is responsible or he is hiding something he will not admit to. All of the other evidence of the bizarre linkages between these fictional persona are on the board in the past posts. Anyone can look them up. I do not believe either Lissa or Adilah were real people. I don't know about Mia Culpa. Other people, on this board and off it, have done extensive searches for anyone resembling Lissa, based on the many details we were given by Rev. Dave on her life and career and death. Nothing was found to confirm anything, outside of websites that he provided like a memorial site. Is Dave real? I believe he is although I have no idea whether that is his real name. He sent me a package from Taiwan with chopsticks inside, that were engraved "Grace" and Chinese characters. I still have the address and the full name of the sender. There was no note inside but online he told me Lissa had gotten these for Grace. Why would anyone create such a complex hoax? I have no idea. However, whoever did it was a brilliant writer. I don't want to talk about this subject anymore because I don't believe it's worthwhile or interesting digging this up again. I suggest we move on. Lisa P.S. Alaska was great but that's another topic I'll get into soon...thanks for asking! |
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| Monkey Chow | Sep 9 2009, 03:20 PM Post #55 |
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| temptresss | Sep 9 2009, 03:28 PM Post #56 |
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agreed, mc. sometimes i believe people that 'make people up' live in their own kind of sims city. perhaps 'dave' is a computer geek and lives online or something and he's created his own world. it's really a kind of game to some. in any case, he'd prob. love to see people STILL mention it. i'm bored and done with it myself. |
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| FamousGroupie | Sep 10 2009, 04:53 AM Post #57 |
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| fab4fan | Sep 10 2009, 04:59 AM Post #58 |
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Thanks for the reply Lisa. I hear you about spending too much time on this.... Not for anyone in particular: Isn't the location "Dave" gives on his profile Taiwan? Did any of the mods read Dave's or Lissa's PMs? (Andy was able to access Lissa's account, hence the fact that she logged on after her "death." I assume Dave's account could be accessed too.) I know Mia Culpa is a real person. More later, I'm beat, its time for bed. |
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| BlueMolly2009 | Sep 10 2009, 07:12 AM Post #59 |
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Tony has shown his true colors and I'm a w*nker for not seeing it until tonight. I was still on friendly terms with him, but no longer. Anyone who wants to do things like he did makes my blood bloil. Andy, I sent you a PM to tell you how I feel about you. Don't let him get to you. You're human and you're going to get your emotions out. Don't be ashamed about it. I've done it myself.
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| Jacaranda | Sep 10 2009, 03:27 PM Post #60 |
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John excuse me for asking if it bothers you, but how do you know Mia Culpa is real? Have you met her? Have you ever noticed how much she writes like Lissa? |
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| Andy | Sep 10 2009, 04:34 PM Post #61 |
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Just for the record, I want to apologise to Fiona for sharing the details of our break-up with the people of this forum. Fiona, I'm sorry. You didn't deserve that, it wasn't you who had made me angry, it was people who were using you as ammunition to get to me - and it worked. I've reacted really badly to the break-up and done many things I'm not proud of. Again, thank you for setting the record straight about this whole mozart8mytoe thing. I'm still struggling to understand why... well, why a lot of things have happened, but I'm grateful for you speaking up, especially after everything I'd posted about you. BTW, John, there was nothing in "Lissa"'s PM folder to suggest that she was anything but a real person, although it has to be noted that there wasn't any correspondance between her, Adilah, Rev. Dave et al which, for close friends who frequented the same message board, may seem a little strange - but that doesn't necessarily mean anything... they could have been in contact via IM or e-mail. Or phone. Or telepathy. I don't know. I'm pretty much past caring. No, I never thought to access Rev. Dave's account, nor anybody else's. |
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| Dorfliedot | Sep 10 2009, 07:57 PM Post #62 |
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See what did I tell you andy. you should have listen to me. I am proud of you.
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| fab4fan | Sep 10 2009, 08:55 PM Post #63 |
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Lisa, to be totally up front with you I would have to say my position is that my mind is open in regards to the Lissa mystery. Maybe because of my lack of computer knowledge the IP issue isn't case closed for me. It appears to be for quite a few people. Perhaps it is my acknowledged ignorance that prevents me from seeing it as clearly as others. I do feel I have finally come to the definitive way to figure out if Lissa existed/exists. I will try on my own to pursue this lead that I have gleamed from posts on here. If and when I succeed or fail each option presents me with a dilema. I believe if Lissa existed her last name would probably be different from Megan's and her father's. Then I would have no problem letting the rest of you know about it. If its the same, then I'm worried about unleashing what can, IMHO, only be described as a lynch mob on the bereaved 2 years after the fact. If I fail then its open season on the character known as Rev Dave. (Rev, if you still peruse these pages sorry to let you down. I'm still firmly in your corner.) Then the picture I've seen of Adilah is as phony as another that we all know about. Such incredible detail and for what? To pull one over on a bunch of Beatle fans? That's, IMHO, more unbelievable than Lissa's life, the fact that Rev Dave met Lissa & Mia Culpa.... Bottom line is I'm still not convinced. When I become so it won't me a hoot to many, will probably change some people's minds, might cement things for many. Whatever. I think Mia Culpa brilliantly and wonderfully answered your question on how I know she is real in another thread. And YES, it has Lissa-like fingerprints all over it. p.s. I figure pursuing my lead will take a week to 10 days. I will come clean at that time. |
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| temptresss | Sep 10 2009, 10:06 PM Post #64 |
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what thread was that that mia brilliantly and wonderfully convinced you she was real, fab4fan? unless i meet someone in person, i'm never convinced. i will still be interested to see what you discover in the next week or so...guess curiousity hasn't killed the cat entirely. |
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| Dorfliedot | Sep 11 2009, 12:27 AM Post #65 |
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Ok, that it. You never met me Nancy. Therefore, I am not real. I guess, I am ghost or in your imagination… At least I am something. That it, Mia and marzart are real. To prove it they got same M at the beginning of there name.
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| temptresss | Sep 11 2009, 11:18 AM Post #66 |
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that whole scenario (dave,lissa,adilah) proved if you write well enough you CAN pull the wool over someone's eyes so it's best to always be skeptical. what i meant by my last post is that nothing would surprise me anymore these days. |
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| modgirl1964 | Sep 11 2009, 11:44 AM Post #67 |
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As I've been stuck among law books again for my bar exam today, I'm going to ask this. What the f*ck is going on and why is there WWIII? Andy, I had not known that you and Fiona had broken up, I'm very sorry for that. I don't know the details (maybe I don't want to know), but I truly am sorry. Sorry guys! Just catching up to speed! |
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| Andy | Sep 12 2009, 12:23 AM Post #68 |
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Thankfully, I've just had the opportunity to speak to Fiona and to apologise to her in person and, luckily for me, she accepted my apology. I don't think that this whole thing has been about our break up, it's just been brought into it because it's something that can obviously hurt me. Not Fiona's fault. Yes, unfortunately, Fiona and I split up, Bridget. It's horribly unfortunate, but these things happen. Just like you and Skip, I'm sure that when you got together and things were good, I'm sure that neither of you could forsee a time when things would go wrong. Life's complicated. x |
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| doris mendlovitz | Sep 12 2009, 01:32 AM Post #69 |
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Andy I love you and everyone on these sites. I think rumors can be more painful than blows. Especially when the tendency is to scape goat on everything. I understand that completely. I kind of sit back and observe alot . Nothing more. I have never met any of you though I would like to. I wish I had your strength. You and Bill are great and caring people. So is fiona. love doris. |
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| Aimee Wilbury | Sep 12 2009, 11:38 AM Post #70 |
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About the IP issue: If several people live in the same area, they can have very close IPs (or possibly the same) depending on the ISP. I've read about cases where people get arrested for online activities that their neighbours do. Also, they could all be using the same proxy. I know of someone in China (on another, non-Beatle forum) who has to use one because their government blocks silly things. This is all I'm gonna say unless people ask questions. |
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| beatlechick | Sep 13 2009, 09:26 PM Post #71 |
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Andy, I'm glad that you and Fiona talked. I hope you, two will be able to be friends! |
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| Andy | Sep 14 2009, 09:16 AM Post #72 |
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Thank you, Doris. I love you too - and I was so sorry to hear about your little Sweetie. It'd be lovely to meet you one day. |
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| Andy | Sep 14 2009, 09:18 AM Post #73 |
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| Old Brown Shoe | Sep 14 2009, 12:24 PM Post #74 |
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Andy, Im sorry things didn't work out between you and Fi. |
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| ohnotjimagain | Sep 15 2009, 09:20 PM Post #75 |
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I'm glad that you and Fiona have managed to speak and clear the air. Now you will feel a lot better. |
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| beatlechick | Sep 16 2009, 12:44 AM Post #76 |
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| ~LovelyRita~ | Sep 16 2009, 03:13 AM Post #77 |
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That devious, dastardly plot; it was a good one. I haven't been to this board in ages, yet this is still a topic of discussion. Whoever it was who created Lissa, they're still getting a kick out of it and will continue to get a kick out of it until the talking stops. The power of online communities amazes me. One would think that with the immutable ability to hide identities in a place where its trust is so easily broken, people wouldn't be foolish enough to trust. Human nature is impractical. |
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| Queenbee | Sep 16 2009, 06:54 AM Post #78 |
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Andy ~ I'm happy Fiona and you had a nice talk. Break ups are so hard. You hate hearing the other is having a great time and going on with life. Then you want the other to think your having a great time and in reality, your both hurting and trying to heal. Your both making great progress. |
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| Dorfliedot | Sep 16 2009, 08:31 AM Post #79 |
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I don't know. I feel this way. if you can still be friend and be an ex that is great. I wish the same with me and my ex. however, that never be. |
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