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| LadyMacca | Jul 10 2009, 12:05 AM Post #201 |
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Michael - Words can not express how I feel about your sudden passing. I've been watching CNN, ever since I got that call from my brother, Loren. My heart must have broken into a thousand pieces when the words he said, processed through my head. The news must have gotten it wrong, that maybe perhaps you were OK, but you weren't, you were..gone. I just couldn't believe that you had died, I still can't believe it, as i sit here an express my heart. Your music has touched my heart, and my soul, you had me dancing when I didnt have the courage too, you had me SMILING when the day had been rough, you had me crying when I found out that you had passed on. I know now that I will not be alone, that you will be there whenever there is a bad day. The world mourns for you, I celebrate your life. May you rest in peace. I love you. Smile, though your heart is aching Smile, even though it's breaking When there are clouds in the sky You'll get by... If you smile With your fear and sorrow Smile and maybe tomorrow You'll find that life is still worthwhile if you'll just... Light up your face with gladness Hide every trace of sadness Although a tear may be ever so near That's the time you must keep on trying Smile, what's the use of crying You'll find that life is still worthwhile If you'll just... smile. © Beth Linder "Smiling" Like so many across the world, i'm deeply saddened by Michaels' passing. The only thing that makes me happy in regards towards this, is that Michael is finally at peace. The Paparazzi & Media can finally (hopefully..) leave him alone. I'm just saddened that it had to come down to this for people to realize what a beautiful soul that man is. |
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| beatlechick | Jul 10 2009, 12:24 AM Post #202 |
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Liz, that was beautiful! Clare, it was pretty dignified. I do think that Michael would be proud of his daughter. She did a wonderful heartfelt job that really resonates with the people, fans or not. Several of us were at work listening to it and shortly after she spoke, one of the ladies had to walk away. We all were in tears. It was pretty odd how quiet my dept was. Not much was spoken during the service and no one laughed or made jokes. |
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| LadyMacca | Jul 10 2009, 01:09 AM Post #203 |
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Thanks .. I just can't say goodbye, not now, i'm not ready..
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| The.Hmuan.Mnid | Jul 10 2009, 03:58 AM Post #204 |
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For anyone that might have been curious about the tribute that the Philippine prisoner's put together within hours of learning of his death, here's a clip of the tribute. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmgVtEv26Z8&NR=1 I'm not sure if it's the entire tribute, but it does run for a little more than 9 minutes. There's a bunch of different stuff that this group's done previously, including their rendition of Thriller. |
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| Bill | Jul 10 2009, 12:01 PM Post #205 |
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Proud of her perhaps, but most likely disgusted in the rest of him family. Whatever one may think of Jackson as a parent, he always did everything possible to keep his kids OUT of the media. Now all of that is out the window and Paris is bigger than Bindi Irwin. Whose idea was that? "Speak up sweetheart." |
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| pood for paul | Jul 10 2009, 12:16 PM Post #206 |
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I thought the same thing, Bill-when Janet said that to her. For most of their lives, MJ kept them "under wraps" because he was afraid of kidnappings, then they are on TV, in front of millions of people, throughout the world.......... The whole family is nuts, I think. |
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| Jacaranda | Jul 10 2009, 01:56 PM Post #207 |
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I thought the same thing about Paris. Michael tried his whole life, going to some extremes, to keep them out of the spotlight and to protect them. I feel he would be proud she was so poised but horrified that she was put into that position. I don't think it was appropriate for the children to go on stage. I have a young child and I would never want her to feel she needed to expose her grief so publicly like Paris did if I died suddenly. If one of my young nieces (I have two under the age of 14) wanted to speak in front of millions of people at her aunt or uncles' funeral, I would try my best to persuade her not to. |
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| BeatleBarb | Jul 10 2009, 02:22 PM Post #208 |
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Ditto for me about the child publicly speaking like that. For the most part, I thought it was dignified, but to me, Al Sharpton went overboard with the superlatives. |
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| Bill | Jul 10 2009, 03:05 PM Post #209 |
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I was worried I'd get burned for saying that - I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought that. I agree Barb - Sharpton was way over the top. I'm all for eccentricity but if Michael Jackson was "just different," then he was just different as a hatter. I'm wary of posting it here since I know people are upset, but if anyone is interested in my unsentimental but not unsympathetic take on it all, I've posted it HERE |
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| Mr.Mustard | Jul 10 2009, 03:26 PM Post #210 |
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The big question for me is did the family make, for want of a better word, Paris do that 'cause it would send a message to Debbie Rowe? |
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| Queenbee | Jul 10 2009, 06:48 PM Post #211 |
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I too agree with having Paris have a statement in public. Michael protected them ~ maybe too much ~ but to have her come out in public at her father's funeral and make a statement is shameful to those who egged her on. It will be interesting to see what happens to the children in the future. The children are beautiful. Bill ~ I read your 'blog and I agree with what you said. Super stars need people around them that will say NO and keep them grounded. Too may YES people, you end up dead. Edited by Queenbee, Jul 10 2009, 06:49 PM.
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PEACE and love to my friends, Judy When the Power of Love over comes the Love of Power, the world will know Peace. -Sri Chinmnoy Ghose Till me meet again ~ I Love you Mike! You were one of a kind. | |
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| Colin | Jul 10 2009, 07:50 PM Post #212 |
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You are all making assumptions. How do you know she didn't decide to talk under her own steam? It's easy to say this, that and the other but only they know whether she decided to say something under her own steam or if she was egged on. |
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| LadyMacca | Jul 10 2009, 08:40 PM Post #213 |
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I'm going to have to agree with Colin on this. It's not like Michael kept them veiled every single time they went in public, yes it more often than not, but there were quite a few times where the children didn't have masks on. But there was also a lot of security guards around them at all times as well. Through all the pictures that I've seen of Michael with his children, I could tell that him and Paris were close. Yes, I know she was his only daughter so that of course would be a given, you would think. But sometimes that is not the case. With Michael & Paris, it is. However, even though I didn't' watch the full funeral service, I did catch the highlights. I love when people like Al Sharpton or Joseph Lowery make incredible powerful speeches, despite getting to eccentric.
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| Monkey Chow | Jul 10 2009, 11:08 PM Post #214 |
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I read part of Bill's blog and mostly agree with what I read but will have to go back later and reread. Right now I'm winding down from a summary judgment motion. Quick thoughts: I wasn't a huge fan but have great respect for MJ's talents and may he rest in peace. 1. MJ must have wanted to die or didn't mind tempting death if the drug rumors pan out; and 2. How does life get any more surreal than being the surrogate child of the King of Pop, possibly by way of a sham marriage and a dermatologist sperm donor? And yes, I have seen first hand what sycophants will do but then they only do what their master commands. Oh, and going from two bedroom bungalo factory housing to Neverland is also a pretty surreal trip.... I'm going to look at the lake... |
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| Bill | Jul 10 2009, 11:55 PM Post #215 |
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I fully understand those who say we have no way of knowing whose idea it was and normally I would agree, but we also know how the family operates. What we know is that Michael jealously guarded his children from the media, to the point of putting veils over their faces in public, but now that he's gone, there she is for all to see. Of course I don't know what went on, but the sudden change makes me suspicious. For sure, she's old enough to have decided whether she wanted to participate or not. And I would give them the benefit of the doubt if not for the "speak up, sweetheart," moment. The poor kid was consumed by grief, as anyone would be, but just make sure the microphones can pick you up clearly. I thought that was disgusting. Edited by Bill, Jul 11 2009, 12:09 AM.
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| Dorfliedot | Jul 11 2009, 01:56 AM Post #216 |
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I don't believe she was couch. I believe, she wanted to truely get up there and say something. Janet told her to speak so, she can be heard. |
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| The.Hmuan.Mnid | Jul 11 2009, 02:29 AM Post #217 |
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Bill I'll admit the thought crossed my mind ... but only after it went sort of viral and I'd seen the clip a couple dozen times on every news program that I came across. According to reports, Michael had intended to do a duet with his oldest son during the O2 shows, not sure if the plan was to do it for every show or if it was to only do it for a few of the first shows. At least that's what his publicist has been saying. Found it kind of ironic myself. given how he'd lamented his lost childhood so often. |
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| BeatleBarb | Jul 11 2009, 02:35 AM Post #218 |
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Honestly, with all due respect, I don't get Sharpton saying Michael eradicated barriers. How did he achieve this? Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed Jackson's music, he was intriguing, fun to watch, died way too young, seemed to be a decent parent, but I don't get the over-adulation that his death has produced. |
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| Jacaranda | Jul 11 2009, 03:20 AM Post #219 |
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I never thought for an instant that Paris didn't fully decide on her own to speak, because I know kids very well and understand that there is no power on earth to make them do something they really do not want to do, or if they do it will be so obvious that someone forced them everyone can tell. However I think that she should have been very strongly dissuaded from speaking; she is too young to have to endure that kind of spotlight, and it is up to the adults in her life to protect her from publicity, particularly when she has lost what is essentially her only parent. There is also the possibility that the suggestion was planted that her father would want her to speak by someone else, namely an adult or adults, in her family. I maintain that though she was so beautiful and genuine, she should never have had to speak a word. |
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| Bill | Jul 11 2009, 04:00 AM Post #220 |
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In the early days, MTV wouldn't play black artists. Michael Jackson's popularity and incredibly slick clips forced them to rethink the policy and thereby blazed a trail for artists like Prince. But Rosa Parks, he was not and Sharpton should know better. |
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| temptresss | Jul 11 2009, 12:02 PM Post #221 |
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we'll never really know. but i'm glad she did speak. no matter how much protection she had during growing up, i can't imagine that somehow she didn't know what a lot of the world thought of her father. (was it al that said, "your father isn't strange"?) and she spoke genuinely on her father's behalf. maybe it was her way of telling the world, 'back off, he was my daddy and i loved him'. or, maybe the family prompted her to speak. or maybe she WANTED to speak. she seemed eager and enthusiastic at times when you'd catch glimpses of her in the audience. the children were disguised and overprotected but out of love. michael did overprotect them (but look at the treatment he received from most of the world) and it paid off at one point. he wanted them to be able to go to movies, the park, do normal things without being oohed and ahhed over as his kids. he wanted that freedom for them. being in the spotlight all his life, he didn't want that for them. you do what you have to. what feels right. it doesn't always mean it is right. and for a short time they DID have that privacy that he strived for. but there are two things that have bothered me. in pictures when the kids were like 4 and 5, Prince had his hair bleached almost champagne blond. i can't imagine why he'd have dyed his hair like that, esp. such a young child. now you'll note prince's hair is NOT dyed. the other thing that i try hard not to think of is IF he was as strung out on drugs as they claim...how COULD he be a great parent? it's not feasible. we hear rumors that he was taking like 30 xanax a day...omg...he'd have to have been a zombie...how can you effectively parent if this is true? there's no hiding he had his eccentricities (as many of us do...) but alot of them endeared us to him. he was human. lonely and sad, you can see it in almost everything he did. he happened to be in the spotlight almost all the time. you have to be strong to weather that kind of treatment. but he did, maybe faltering to drugs. but he was gonna make his comeback and from what we've seen and heard he would have surpassed himself at the age of 50. i'm going to miss the color he brought to this world. there will never be another michael and i mean that in a positive way. |
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| Monkey Chow | Jul 11 2009, 02:41 PM Post #222 |
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Al Sharpton equates everything to the civil rights movement, that's just Al. I didn't watch that circus the first time but I wasn't offended at all by Paris' statement. She may have wanted the world to know she loved her dad and he was a good father. |
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| beatlechick | Jul 11 2009, 04:53 PM Post #223 |
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Word is from the media and organizers, she requested to do so on her own. No one had to coach her into it. |
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| Dorfliedot | Jul 11 2009, 06:46 PM Post #224 |
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Joe Jackson. Whip Michael. This is not excuse. However, many parents whip their kids back then. I know, I was whip allot by my black foster family. In addition, back then even other parents were allowed to whip you. aIn addition, even the school principles were allowed to swat you with a paddle. I know, this my brother was swatted with a paddle by the principle of the school we attended. For something he did not do. In addition, it was not against the law as it is now. You did not get your kids taken away or went to jail for this kind abuse. Parent treat kids different then they did back then. I remember a mother coming to the class room with a belt and whip her son right in the class room.
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| beatlechick | Jul 11 2009, 07:15 PM Post #225 |
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Dotty, it wasn't just the physical abuse but being told how ugly you are every chance they could is the reason why MJ had all of those plastic surgeries as MJ was only trying to please him. I think if Joe Jackson wants the LAPD to look into foul play as the reasons for MJ's death, than he has to look at himself first. |
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| Cleo | Jul 12 2009, 01:34 AM Post #226 |
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MTV played rock'n'roll but didn't want to play black artists. Ironic because rock'n'roll is black music. I don't get it. You play black music but not black artists? Today MTV only plays black music, thanks to Michael Jackson. From rock'n'roll to rap, hip hop etc. Big step. Just 1 off topic thought. Edited by Cleo, Jul 12 2009, 01:35 AM.
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| BeatleBarb | Jul 12 2009, 01:45 AM Post #227 |
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Interesting to find out that one of the early vjs on MTV was black, but apparently they didn't want to see black artists on the show.
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| Cleo | Jul 12 2009, 01:47 AM Post #228 |
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| The.Hmuan.Mnid | Jul 12 2009, 02:26 AM Post #229 |
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That's not entirely true ... Tina Turner, Donna Summer, Eddie Grant, The Bus Boy's, Joan Armatrading, Musical Youth and Prince were all in rotation on MTV before Michael's "Billie Jean" aired. I'm also fairly certain that old clips of the Supreme's were aired on the channel prior to that clip too, and other Motown clips. Prince's "1999" was being played regularly months before MJ's "Billie Jean" and he followed that up with "Little Red Corvette." Somebody's pulling your leg ... |
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| BeatleBarb | Jul 12 2009, 02:51 AM Post #230 |
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I did some searching around and it does appear that Prince aired before Jackson and so did the others mentioned in the previous post. Hard to find something definitive, however. Some sources acknowledge these artists appearing before Jackson but say Jackson influenced more air time for blacks. In any event, it's Sharpton that annoyed me. |
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| The.Hmuan.Mnid | Jul 12 2009, 02:54 AM Post #231 |
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Almost forgot to mention Jimi Hendrix ... they also played archival clips of his stuff, and The Pointer Sisters, Grandmaster Funk, Afrika Bambaataa are all artists that were in heavy rotation on MTV during 1982. Of course when he did release Thriller IN 1983 he had 3 songs in rotation and they started playing stuff like "Rock with You" too. |
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| BeatleBarb | Jul 12 2009, 03:06 AM Post #232 |
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Would love to see the Hendrix stuff. Saw him in 1968 in Winterland and would actually like to see what went on.
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| The.Hmuan.Mnid | Jul 12 2009, 03:28 AM Post #233 |
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Google video's is a great place to find all sorts of stuff ... I've found full length movies by doing a search through the main google.com site and then entering the title and using the [Video] option at the top of the page. Jimi Hendrix Video Search Results They've got the entire footage of his set at Woodstock listed, it's nearly an hours worth of footage, there's several pages so see if you can find what you're after. |
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| Dorfliedot | Jul 12 2009, 04:32 AM Post #234 |
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I know! I been told that all my life too. however, micheal had some of his dads looks |
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| Bill | Jul 12 2009, 05:08 AM Post #235 |
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I was repeating conventional wisdom. Thanks for the correction. |
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| The.Hmuan.Mnid | Jul 12 2009, 05:40 AM Post #236 |
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Eh, well for the record Rick James is probably the one that got people saying that the channel was prone to not promote black artists when they wouldn't put his song "Super Freak" into heavy rotation. He basically had a hissy fit about it, did an interview with the LA Times and the media had a little bit of a hayday with it, following that, Nightline (an American news program) dedicated an hour to the question in May of 1983. Then David Bowie did an interview with Mark Goodman (one of the original DJs) and floored him when he asked, point blank, why the channel didn't have more diversity happening. Bowie felt that it was their responsibility, as he put it they were "morally responsible to make the media more integrated," along with radio stations. That also wound up getting a lot of media attention. I think that once the channel was launched (on a shoestring budget mind you) and was successful, everyone wanted a larger slice of the pie because it was a promotional tool for album sales and exposure. The thing that Jackson brought to the table was production values ... most of the video's that were available were kind of kooky and silly, or just concert footage, then he raised the bar with "Billie Jean," "Beat It" and "Thriller." So on that level he was absolutely brilliant, but as for pushing the controversy ... nah, that was more than likely the Rick James factor with a dash of Bowie. ... and I kinda liked his "Super Freak," it was absurd. |
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| beatlechick | Jul 12 2009, 07:34 AM Post #237 |
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Was MJ the first black artist mtv played? No but he was the first on a continual basis, and in heavy rotation, to be played. Prince was only played after 10 pm and that took a lot of wrangling on his, and his fans part. Super Freak did eventually play in heavy rotation, seemed to be on nearly every time I put on mtv. What really broke the video barrier was Thriller. After that, you would hear grand announcements on tv and radio of the world premiere of another MJ video. I think Beat It was the last world premiere of MJ videos that I watched, after that I was no longer interested. |
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| Mr.Mustard | Jul 12 2009, 09:18 AM Post #238 |
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| beatlechick | Jul 16 2009, 05:14 AM Post #239 |
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The Pepsi commercial that likely started the drug abuse. Pepsi commercial accident |
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| Dorfliedot | Jul 16 2009, 11:05 AM Post #240 |
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I like to say, I like what Paul said, about micheal.. |
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| Kelly18 | Jul 16 2009, 07:14 PM Post #241 |
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I myself was totally shocked by his death. Of course to this day still non stop of breaking news, videos, etc. I wasn't totally a huge fan of his music but I LOVED the Jackson 5 and MJ's early solo career ie Off the Wall, Thriller, etc. Loved his duets with Paul and his song You are Not Alone I heard for the first time shortly after he died and it's just an amazing song! I did watch his memorial and his daughter Paris' speech had me in tears. She's such a beautiful young lady and I deeply feel for her and her brothers. What a life they've had already. Prayers go out to them and the family. |
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| LadyMacca | Jul 17 2009, 07:55 PM Post #242 |
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| LadyMacca | Jul 23 2009, 03:53 AM Post #243 |
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Lawyer: Police seek Jackson manslaughter link DEA officials searched Dr. Conrad Murray’s Houston clinic HOUSTON - Dozens of police and federal agents descended on the Houston clinic of Michael Jackson’s doctor Wednesday in what his attorney said was a search for evidence of manslaughter, thrusting the doctor back under suspicion in the King of Pop’s death. Dr. Conrad Murray was with Jackson in his final moments at the singer’s rented mansion in Los Angeles and accompanied him to the hospital. He has cooperated with investigators and the search was the clearest indication that authorities are looking for signs of possible wrongdoing. Police have said little about the probe, neither confirming nor denying the possibility of criminal charges. The Los Angeles Police Department said he was still not considered a suspect, though the raid shows investigators are intensely scrutinizing the doctor. It’s still not known what caused Jackson’s death at age 50. The pop star went into cardiac arrest in his bedroom and Murray performed CPR while an ambulance was called, according to Murray’s lawyers. Los Angeles police and agents with the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration went through the Armstrong Medical Clinic on Wednesday for about 2½ hours. Authorities said they were searching for documents. “The search warrant authorized law enforcement to search for and seize items, including documents, they believed constituted evidence of the offense of manslaughter,” Ed Chernoff, Murray’s attorney, said in a statement posted on his law firm’s Web site. The Harris County warrant remains sealed and unavailable to the media. Chernoff said agents left with “a forensic image” of a computer hard drive and 21 documents. Search for records About three dozen officers and agents participated in the raid with Houston police surrounding the building as the investigators went inside at about 10:30 CDT. DEA spokeswoman Violet Szeleczky said about 20 people were in the Armstrong Medical Clinic, including employees. A neighborhood crowd gathered to watch the raid until agents left after 1 p.m. and Houston police told reporters and the onlookers to leave the clinic’s property. Szeleczky said the agents were looking for Murray’s records, not drugs, but wouldn’t specify further. She declined to say how the search related to Jackson’s death. The search of Murray’s office hard drive indicates authorities are looking not just for patient records but also for e-mails either between the doctor and Jackson or orders for prescription drugs, said Harland Braun, a prominent Los Angeles defense attorney who has represented doctors in cases involving administration of drugs. Meanwhile, investigators in California also sought more information from Murray, according to Chernoff. In a statement on his site late Tuesday, Chernoff said investigators from the Los Angeles County coroner’s office have asked for medical records in addition to those already provided by Murray. “The coroner wants to clear up the cause of death; we share that goal,” Chernoff said in his statement. “Based on Dr. Murray’s minute-by-minute and item-by-item description of Michael Jackson’s last days, he should not be a target of criminal charges.” An autopsy was conducted but results are not expected until next week. The Jackson family had a second autopsy performed and those results also are pending. Braun said of Wednesday’s raid in Houston that by stating they are investigating what they believe is manslaughter, authorities don’t need to worry about patient-doctor confidentiality — the right doesn’t exist in criminal cases. To prove a charge of manslaughter, authorities must prove there was a reckless action that created a risk of death or great bodily injury. If a doctor is aware of the risk, there might also be an issue of whether the patient was made aware of that risk and decided to take it. A patient’s complicity in taking the risk could reduce the doctor’s culpability, Braun said. Investigators have found the powerful anesthetic propofol in Jackson’s home, according to a person with knowledge of the investigation. The person is not authorized to speak publicly and requested anonymity. The officials are working with the Drug Enforcement Administration and California attorney general’s office to determine how the medications got there. Another subpoena Also Wednesday, the coroner’s office subpoenaed the records of former Jackson nutritionist Cherilyn Lee for information on her treatment of the singer, Lee’s spokeswoman said. Belinda Foster says Lee is cooperating with investigators but required a subpoena because the records were protected by law. Lee treated Jackson between January and April, when she says he began persistently asking her for the anesthetic. Police detectives have already spoken to Murray twice — once immediately after the singer’s death and again two days later. Police investigators say Murray is cooperating in their investigation. The Las Vegas-based doctor is also licensed in California, Nevada and Texas. Sevcik, Chernoff’s spokeswoman, said the interview with coroner’s investigators might happen Friday. Murray is currently in Las Vegas and Chernoff would be speaking to investigators without the doctor being present. There was no sign of activity Wednesday at Murray’s medical offices in Las Vegas. Doors were locked and curtains drawn at his practice, Global Cardiovascular Associates. There was no immediate record of a search warrant for Murray’s medical office or his Las Vegas home, said Esther McElhaney, a Las Vegas court spokeswoman. But she said police would have 10 days to provide a report to a judge in Las Vegas Justice Court about any items or documents seized if they had searched either location recently. he DEA has assisted in probes into other celebrity deaths, including the 2007 overdose death of Anna Nicole Smith as well as that of actor Heath Ledger. Jean Rosenbluth, a University of Southern California law professor, says the agency’s involvement in the Jackson case suggests authorities are looking into whether drugs came from out of state. Federal drug regulations include controls over whether and how frequently a doctor can write prescriptions over the phone, and DEA agents could be looking to see if these rules were broken, Rosenbluth said. The Associated Press. 5:45 p.m. CT, Wed., July 22, 2009 |
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