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And now Michael Jackson dies??????
Topic Started: Jun 25 2009, 10:18 PM (3,514 Views)
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I'm in SHOCK!!! I can't believe Michael's dead :cry: Prayers to his family...
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Only TMZ has reported his passing. With all due respect, they're far from reliable. However, they do have an uncanny and somewhat morbid knack of getting these things right. -_-

I feel so badly for his kids. What a strange, sad man he is/was.

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Actually, apparently the LA Times has just confirmed his passing at 3:15pm. Damn. :cry:
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Really, I'm hearing they are saying he is in a coma.
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this saddens me more than i can say.
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Jun 25 2009, 10:28 PM
this saddens me more than i can say.
Now I understand LA and NY Times say he is dead. RIP.
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Michael Jackson dies at LA hospital
Posted: June 25, 2009 04:49 PM
Updated: June 25, 2009 05:03 PM

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LOS ANGELES, CA (WBTV) - Officials say Michael Jackson died after being rushed to UCLA Medical Center according to the TMZ website.

A fire department official told the Los Angeles Times that Jackson was taken to the hospital Thursday afternoon.

Steve Ruda told the newspaper that Jackson was not breathing when Los Angeles Fire Department paramedics responded to a call at his Los Angeles home about 12:30 p.m., Pacific Time.

The paramedics performed CPR and took him to UCLA Medical Center, Ruda told the paper.

L. Londell McMillan, a lawyer for Jackson, did not have any information. Messages left for other Jackson associates were not immediately returned.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.
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Ah, sh*t.
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he's gone. they had a special newsbreak on tv about 30 minutes ago to announce it. they said he was taken to the hospital and was not breathing. it's been confirmed by his doctor. :(
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I heard about him having the cardiac arrest 2 hours ago. Been texting to friends as I had heard on the radio over an hour ago that he died. Nothing was confirmed then but sadly it was trye. My heart and prayers go out to his family.

I wasn't a big fan of his but loved some of his songs and the Jackson 5 but I am in tears now. Big loss for us but bigger for his children. May they find comfort with what he has done for this world.
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I've just seen a newsflash on the TV, I'm in shock :no:
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Ironically about the time he would've been brought to UCLA Medical Center, we heard a helicopter fly very low over my office building in the Valley not to far from his home or the Medical Center.
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i was a big fan of his. i loved him to pieces. this made me cry. was so excited about him coming back to concerts but i guess it wasn't meant to be. he will live on through his music. i pray for his children. i guess there is a reason for everything. just last week i saw a picture of both the kids without a disguise. this is a really sad day in this world. :cry: :cry: :cry:
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Sky news have just cut one person off then 15 seconds later cut someone else off to go to Al Sharptons speech
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I'm so shocked over this and just feel overwhelmed with sadness right now. I wasn't a big fan but did like a lot of his music.

Too many deaths to handle in one day. :no:
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on tv they said he had THREE kids. i know about the boy and girl, but who was the third? anyone know the name?
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Sad news indeed. He entertained and puzzled me at the same time. I remember giving my son a Michael Jackson party when he was 7 - still has the "glove". RIP, Michael.
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on tv they said he had THREE kids. i know about the boy and girl, but who was the third? anyone know the name?
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on tv they said he had THREE kids. i know about the boy and girl, but who was the third? anyone know the name?
Prince Michael, Paris and Prince Michael II, known as Blanket. He was the baby that Michael dangled over the balcony that time.
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So so sad. And very sad that his life turned so tragic at the end.
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Per ABC 7 LA http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/livenow?id=6884561, there appears to be about 4-500 people gathered outside the hospital. A press conference will be happening soon.

Glad to see that ABC has not forgotten Farrah Fawcett as they will be showing a Barbara Walters special tonight at 10 after a Martin Brashear special on Michael Jackson at 9.

MJ was officially pronounced dead at 2:26 pm Pacific time.
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Just heard a press conference from Jermaine Jackson that doctors worked on MJ trying to resuscitate him for an hour.
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This news just makes me so sad. Sad for his children, sad for his family and sad for him. For all his accomplishments and fame, he seemed like one of the loneliest people on the planet. I think he had to pay an unbelievably high price for his success at the expense of the childhood he was never allowed to have. :(

No matter what I may have thought of his behavior in his later years, I still mourn his passing and I hope people won't reduce his death to yet another endless series of jokes.

He truly was one of a kind.




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So far everything has been respectful ~ hope it stays this way.

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Oh my GOD this is so sad. :cry: Michael Jackson was the king of pop. Beat It is still my favorite song ever.

R.I.P. Michael :cry:
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Jun 26 2009, 02:49 AM
This news just makes me so sad. Sad for his children, sad for his family and sad for him. For all his accomplishments and fame, he seemed like one of the loneliest people on the planet. I think he had to pay an unbelievably high price for his success at the expense of the childhood he was never allowed to have. :(

No matter what I may have thought of his behavior in his later years, I still mourn his passing and I hope people won't reduce his death to yet another endless series of jokes.

He truly was one of a kind.
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All these famous deaths in a few days span can't be a coincidence.

Do any of you think this is a sign of the apocalypse? :unsure:
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No, not the apocalypse. For some reason, celebrity deaths come in 3's. Normally they don't die so close in proximity to each other. The weird part was that Ed McMahon died at Ronald Reagan/UCLA Medical Center, the very same place that MJ was taken to. Farrah died just a few miles away at St. John's Medical Center in Santa Monica.

Just a sad week for us but that is all it is, no apocalypse.
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I am very, very sad by this news. I loved his music. He was a little boy in his heart.
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I am so, sad. I meet micheal at the kingdom hall.
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Its NOT fair!!! Its just NOT fair :cry: All these deaths this week have got me sad all three Ed,Farrah and Micheal have been a part of my life for as long as i can remember,seems Heaven is becoming the place to be.Knowing the social butterfly my Mom is she's probably driving them all crazy! :yes: :cry:
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We just got back from seeing Simon and Garfunkle. Art dedicated Bright Eyes to him.
Put a puppet on it.
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I must say I have wondered recently what Michael Jackson would do at 50, 60, or 70 years old.
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I am so, sad. I meet micheal at the kingdom hall.
What a wonderful memory for you Dot!
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We just got back from seeing Simon and Garfunkle. Art dedicated Bright Eyes to him.
Very nice.
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I would love to see Simon and Garfunkle in concert.
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The LA County Coroner's office has made a statement that they're requesting additional tests taking about 4-6 weeks.

There is so much surrounding this death that now only time will tell. We do know that a doctor was by his side when he collapsed, the same dr's car was towed and in the hands of LAPD. They do know that there were some prescription drugs and apparently his lawyer has stated that he warned the family that with all the drugs Michael has taken that someday expect Michael to wake up dead. He also stated that the day before Michael died, he had been injected with Demerol.
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The LA County Coroner's office has made a statement that they're requesting additional tests taking about 4-6 weeks.

There is so much surrounding this death that now only time will tell. We do know that a doctor was by his side when he collapsed, the same dr's car was towed and in the hands of LAPD. They do know that there were some prescription drugs and apparently his lawyer has stated that he warned the family that with all the drugs Michael has taken that someday expect Michael to wake up dead. He also stated that the day before Michael died, he had been injected with Demerol.
I don't think they'res that much to it. Either he died of a natural heart attack or it was brought on by over use of perscription drugs. Maybe you're being suckered in by the media feeding frenzy bonazza!
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Lisa Marie Presley (once his wife) wrote a long 'tribute' to him on her myspace. it was really informative and beautifully written. she seems to believe it was the prescription drugs and that he had a concern he would pass the same way elvis did, as though it were a premonition. evidently, this all happened 30 minutes after he was administered a shot of demerol. if you want to read it in it's entirety, here it is.

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The LA County Coroner's office has made a statement that they're requesting additional tests taking about 4-6 weeks.

There is so much surrounding this death that now only time will tell. We do know that a doctor was by his side when he collapsed, the same dr's car was towed and in the hands of LAPD. They do know that there were some prescription drugs and apparently his lawyer has stated that he warned the family that with all the drugs Michael has taken that someday expect Michael to wake up dead. He also stated that the day before Michael died, he had been injected with Demerol.
I don't think they'res that much to it. Either he died of a natural heart attack or it was brought on by over use of perscription drugs. Maybe you're being suckered in by the media feeding frenzy bonazza!
You really don't know what you're talking about. I live about 20 miles away from where he lived and where he died. Here you can't get away from the news. It's everywhere, even on stations that don't play his music! We're going into Hollywood tomorrow to clean George's and John's stars on the Walk of Fame, we will have to be careful where we go to not run into the expected 4,000 plus people going to view his and the Jackson 5's star not to far from The Beatles star (which won't get cleaned due to the crowds-be hard to get to).

There are a lot of speculations going on. One of them being why did the doctor from Texas, a cardiologist, insist that the doctors in LA continue to resuscitate him for over an hour? Since he's not licensed in California he couldn't sign the death certificate. His car, rather his sister's car, was impounded and being investigated for evidence (prescription drugs), btw this doctor was the very same one who had been performing cpr when the paramedics arrived and was also living at the house.


Not taken in by anything I know the coroner's have a hard time. To see what was in his body, toxicology reports normally take up to 6 weeks to perform and that is what they are doing. No surprise there and since this is a high profle case, they want to be extra attentive to it.

It really isn't that easy to doing a full autopsy.
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Given the advent of 24hr news channels ... I've been seeing information on Michael's situation on CNN, FOX News, Headline News, the local affiliates, MTV, VH1, and BET.

The report that he was injected the day before, is flat out wrong, he was getting regular injections and the reports are that he was injected with demerol an HOUR before they called 911. A day before wouldn't be nearly as controversial, but just before he lost consciousness and just before he stopped breathing is much more relevant. The 911 tape has been played several times on all of the 24 hour news networks and has been analyzed to the hilt, especially given that CPR was being performed on the bed instead of on a solid surface like the floor. The question is did the personal physician have Narcan onhand, and if so did he administer that prior to the call to 911 ... Narcan can reverse some effects of an opiate related overdose, but it does require that there be bloodflow so that it can circulate through the blood. The other area that has created confusion is that the personal physician a licensed cardiologist (heart specialist), so to me the fact that the first reports pointed to a heart attack make much more sense ... of course if one stops breathing due to opiates (which can cause shallow, labored breathing) then their heart will stop.

It's well known that Michael had been addicted to painkillers for years, and it's also becoming rather obvious that he "shopped" 'round for doctors in order to get the drugs that he was addicted to. Watched something on CNN last night, they had Dr Sanjay Gupta, Dr Deepak Chopra and Dr Drew Pinsky on discussing Michael's situation with painkillers. Sanjay and Deepak indicated that Michael had approached each of them within the past few years about obtaining prescriptions for oxycontin and neither of them provided him with those prescriptions.

Also, last night I saw something on Headline News (a CNN affiliate) which had a panel of physicians talking about the situation ... they were saying that if a drug overdose was involved there would be physical signs, like excessive fluid in the lungs making them heavier, and a possibility of foam in the larynx and mouth. Some of the physicians that were on the panel were experienced coroners and they indicated that not only blood and urine would be used in a toxicology analysis, but tissues from the lungs, brain and liver would normally be analyzed.

I doubt that it matters if you live 10, 20, 200 or 2000 miles away from UCLA ... there's plenty of coverage being strewn across the globe about this ... and we'll all hear the results of the toxicology report at the same time.
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Got a bit defensive there, didn't ya?!? Yes I know that the info is readily available but living here you hear a lot more than you do from the news agencies. It would be the same if he died anywhere near you. You would hear a lot more than we would. It's not been easy but I have been trying to stay away from the news. both local (where we haven't heard about anything else but) and cable. Getting a bit of an overload.

I wa simply stating that the family attorney knew he had injections of demerol the day before. He, as well as several others, had warned the family that this could happen. Now the family is starting to question as to how many doctors, and which doctors responded, he tried to get the drugs from. A little to late now.

I hear his kids are doing pretty good. Rumors are the older 2's mother may try to get them back. Whomever raises them, I just pray that their grandfather doesn't, I hope they treat them with love and respect.
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Just trying to say that there's nothing that you're providing that's any different than what I'm seeing and hearing on the 24 hour news networks ... actually, what I've seen is a lot more consistent than what you'd provided.

I'd presume that those in Great Britain or other parts of the world may not be being inundated with as much info, there again with the Internet, Facebook and MySpace, twitter, blogs, amateur citizen journalists and message boards ... even that presumption comes into question. Anyone in the states is probably getting just as much media saturation as those of you in and around Los Angeles are, but if you're in LA you might not be able to appreciate that.

It's a new day, whether we're talking about the protesters in Iran optimizing the internet and social networking sites to fill the chasm that the media blackout their government is instituting , or whether we're talking about Michael Jackson's death ... you don't have to be in the thick of it to be informed.
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We just got back from seeing Simon and Garfunkle. Art dedicated Bright Eyes to him.
I would love to see Simon and Garfunkel in concert. I'll have to see if they have a fan club to join and keep up with it. Usually the fan club members get great seats.

how was the concert? I enjoy their music, especially with a glass of wine ~ mellow out.

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Got a bit defensive there, didn't ya?!? Yes I know that the info is readily available but living here you hear a lot more than you do from the news agencies. It would be the same if he died anywhere near you. You would hear a lot more than we would. It's not been easy but I have been trying to stay away from the news. both local (where we haven't heard about anything else but) and cable. Getting a bit of an overload.

I wa simply stating that the family attorney knew he had injections of demerol the day before. He, as well as several others, had warned the family that this could happen. Now the family is starting to question as to how many doctors, and which doctors responded, he tried to get the drugs from. A little to late now.

I hear his kids are doing pretty good. Rumors are the older 2's mother may try to get them back. Whomever raises them, I just pray that their grandfather doesn't, I hope they treat them with love and respect.
Wow! What a self important post!!!

all that info is available here in the Uk! so why not stop trying to make out people who don't live near where jacko died are insufficently informed! you're just trying to make yourself look important...pathetic
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Got a bit defensive there, didn't ya?!? Yes I know that the info is readily available but living here you hear a lot more than you do from the news agencies. It would be the same if he died anywhere near you. You would hear a lot more than we would. It's not been easy but I have been trying to stay away from the news. both local (where we haven't heard about anything else but) and cable. Getting a bit of an overload.

I wa simply stating that the family attorney knew he had injections of demerol the day before. He, as well as several others, had warned the family that this could happen. Now the family is starting to question as to how many doctors, and which doctors responded, he tried to get the drugs from. A little to late now.

I hear his kids are doing pretty good. Rumors are the older 2's mother may try to get them back. Whomever raises them, I just pray that their grandfather doesn't, I hope they treat them with love and respect.
Wow! What a self important post!!!

all that info is available here in the Uk! so why not stop trying to make out people who don't live near where jacko died are insufficently informed! you're just trying to make yourself look important...pathetic
MM ~ I'm sure Cathy is not out to be look important. That is not her style.

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I am so, sad. I meet micheal at the kingdom hall.
What a wonderful memory for you Dot!
Yes, it is. however, I am still down on myself for calling him old. I was 11 he was 17
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Got a bit defensive there, didn't ya?!? Yes I know that the info is readily available but living here you hear a lot more than you do from the news agencies. It would be the same if he died anywhere near you. You would hear a lot more than we would. It's not been easy but I have been trying to stay away from the news. both local (where we haven't heard about anything else but) and cable. Getting a bit of an overload.

I wa simply stating that the family attorney knew he had injections of demerol the day before. He, as well as several others, had warned the family that this could happen. Now the family is starting to question as to how many doctors, and which doctors responded, he tried to get the drugs from. A little to late now.

I hear his kids are doing pretty good. Rumors are the older 2's mother may try to get them back. Whomever raises them, I just pray that their grandfather doesn't, I hope they treat them with love and respect.
Wow! What a self important post!!!

all that info is available here in the Uk! so why not stop trying to make out people who don't live near where jacko died are insufficently informed! you're just trying to make yourself look important...pathetic
How you are talking sounds quite rude.
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Wow! What a self important post!!!

all that info is available here in the Uk! so why not stop trying to make out people who don't live near where jacko died are insufficently informed! you're just trying to make yourself look important...pathetic
How you are talking sounds quite rude.
That's because he is rude. Mustard, you seem to have no respect for anyone, including yourself.
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Well personally I felt that beatleschick's comment was directed towards me not Mr Mustard, and while I don't necessarily care too much about it either way ... it did come across as a bit self-important and rude.

I suppose she thought that I was being rude towards her though, so c'est la vie.
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I am so, sad. I meet micheal at the kingdom hall.
What a wonderful memory for you Dot!
Yes, it is. however, I am still down on myself for calling him old. I was 11 he was 17
Dotty, I'll bet he loved it that you spoke the truth as you saw it. Only children can speak their minds so honestly without malice. He probably remembered your comment for a long time and I'll just bet it made him laugh. :lol:

I love your collage, especially those photos of MJ as a really young child. Thanks for sharing with us. :hug:




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Yes, it is. however, I am still down on myself for calling him old. I was 11 he was 17
Dotty, I'll bet he loved it that you spoke the truth as you saw it. Only children can speak their minds so honestly without malice. He probably remembered your comment for a long time and I'll just bet it made him laugh. :lol:

I love your collage, especially those photos of MJ as a really young child. Thanks for sharing with us. :hug:
Thank you Bev....


In news today Micheal family want second Autopsy

http://www.accesshollywood.com/coroners-office-michael-jacksons-family-wants-second-autopsy_article_19826?__source=rss%7Clatest_news
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I am not a fan of Michael Jackson. I didn't cry. I was very shocked like everybody else. There are many people crying and saying that he was a genius. Why do we have to die to touch other people feelings? This man had a very sad childhood, a very sad life, he was a human and everybody made fun of him, his look, his life. Now these people cry? What a sad world we live in...

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I am not a fan of Michael Jackson. I didn't cry. I was very shocked like everybody else. There are many people crying and saying that he was a genius. Why do we have to die to touch other people feelings? This man had a very sad childhood, a very sad life, he was a human and everybody made fun of him, his look, his life. Now these people cry? What a sad world we live in...

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Judy, Claire, and Dotty thank you for coming to my defense. I was not trying to make myself look important. If I wanted to do that, it certainly wouldn't be in this thread!

Look, unless you live here you'll not know what I am talking about. We, Los Angeles, are getting a lot more words than you are. What a lot of you missed when I stated 'speculations' about his death was the word "speculations." That means not necessarily the truth, speculations! I could've come on here to tell you, about an hour before it went nationwide, that his family was going for a 2nd autopsy.

It really doesn't matter what is said here by any of us. The man is still dead. 3 kids are still without their father! Those are the facts!


Now for those of you that listen to Breakfast with The Beatles from LA, whether on KLOS radio or KLOS on the web, there will be tributes to MJ. Contest questions are to include "did you know that on the album History, he covered a Beatles song? What song did he cover?" Don't know if Chris will be playing MJ/Jacksons songs but I'm sure he will find a way to tie whatever he plays to The Beatles. Glad to see there are barracades around his star, now. Only about a hundred or so people are showing up but his star is completely covered.

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i LOVED michael and was never afraid to admit it. like someone said, "his music was the soundtrack of my life", i grew up with him. i was hurt about all the pedophile accusations and never believed he did any of it (i was most definately in the minority on that one). when he was cleared i CRIED i was so happy for him. i know there are people (alot, in fact) that didn't care for him and i agree they are now saying how fantastic he is.

sad to say death brings alot of people to their senses. think about a husband and wife of many years, the hubby dies and the wife (who complained for years about everything he did) suddenly annoints him a 'saint'. it's just the way people are. maybe they just want to remember the good.

i happen to be GLAD that people are caring more. it wasn't a secret he had a tragic life. for a long time no one seemed sympathetic to that fact. the fact is he gifted this world with so much fantastic and special music...it's soothing to hear as soon as he left for heaven, everyone was playing his songs again. he'd have loved it, i'm sure. maybe in some 'mini' way, it WAS to be his comeback.

one of the things i disliked most which surrounded him was the title "Wacko Jacko". imagine living with that nickname most of your life. imagine not having a childhood and being so emotionally abused by your father and forced to do things you didn't want to do. imagine being judged for absolutely everything you do. and he was a fragile individual on top of that. i have heard he could 'step up' to plate if he had to, though. i was sooooooo looking forward to his comeback and would have seen him in concert if he had played here.

so when i say the world has lost someone very special, i truly mean it from the heart.
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sad to say death brings alot of people to their senses.


Unfortunately. I wish people were able to appreciate others in life not in death.

There is a famous soccer player named Pele, he is known as the king of soccer.

I remember reading 1 interview about him and he said something very interesting "If you want to celebrate me, do it when I am alive. If you want to give me prizes, give me prizes when I am alive. If you want to give me flowers, send me flowers when I am alive, not after my death."

We have so many beautiful people alive, will we wait them all to die to realize that?

I understand that MJ fans and his family are suffering. I understand also that media just want to sell. They did it when he was alive, they are doing it after his dead.

This is what makes me upset, hypocrites.

I think you have the right to be sad because you seem to be a true fan. Some people don't have the same right. Human nature is fascinating... :)
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Who's to say who has the right or not? We all mourn our own ways. I am not a big John Lennon fan but when he was murdered, I was devastated. I am now one of the people who cleans his star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame. Nearly the same for George when he died. Wasn't a big George fan but his death still touched me and I help clean that star, too.

Should we show people we care? Of course we should but how do you show a celebrity that you care? They're not exactly like showing a loved one. It's very likely that the gifts left at MJ's star will be donated to the Children's Hospital or to children agencies.

Temptresss.......well said!
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It really doesn't matter what is said here by any of us. The man is still dead. 3 kids are still without their father! Those are the facts!


it seems to matter to you that we know you're better informed than us!!
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It really doesn't matter what is said here by any of us. The man is still dead. 3 kids are still without their father! Those are the facts!


it seems to matter to you that we know you're better informed than us!!
Mate, just what the hell is your problem? Cathy IS better informed than us because she lives in the area where it is all happening! That's not being self-important, that's just the facts. Sheesh.
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It really doesn't matter what is said here by any of us. The man is still dead. 3 kids are still without their father! Those are the facts!


it seems to matter to you that we know you're better informed than us!!
Mate, just what the hell is your problem? Cathy IS better informed than us because she lives in the area where it is all happening! That's not being self-important, that's just the facts. Sheesh.
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Got a bit defensive there, didn't ya?!?


That's my problem! you're all the same on here..giving me crap about what i say that's not very nice but reserveing the right to taunt other people!!!
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ummm....you left the word Mean off of your name, Mr. Mustard! :whistle:
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i think a very fitting tribute and memorial to michael would be to eventually open up Neverland to the public (like they did Graceland). (or has it been torn down already?) if he was as broke as was claimed, this could bring in a revenue to take care of his children (and/or debts left behind) along with allowing people to pay homage and enjoy something of michael esp. children. make something positive of something tragic...
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Guys! Guys! This isn't worth fighting over. Mustard, take what I'm saying however way you want to. I don't care. If you have a problem with me, send me a pm and we'll discuss it there. You're still overlooking the word 'speculations.' I suggest you re-read what I said than tell me I'm stating it all as fact.

Temptresss, the property is still for sale . Neverland Ranch might be a tough sell.
Michael Jackson's Neverland Ranch might be a tough sell

Long after the fans have left the gates of Neverland, the fantastical Santa Barbara County ranch once owned by Michael Jackson, the far less whimsical question remains of what will happen to it.

Colony Capital, the private equity company that bought the loan on the property, sparing it from foreclosure, won't say what its plans are.

But the ranch, about two hours northwest of Los Angeles that once featured a zoo and amusement park and had an estimated value of $96 million to $120 million, could wind up as something of a white elephant.

The homes of even the most beloved stars rarely see any appreciable boost in value from their celebrity cachet, and in the case of Neverland Ranch and the Los Angeles mansion Jackson was leasing when he died, the association might even work against them.

“Neverland and the Jackson estate have an uphill economic battle,” said Randall Bell, a specialist in valuing stigmatized properties with Laguna Beach, Calif.-based consulting outfit Bell Anderson & Sanders.

Jackson was in default on the loan on his ranch when it was purchased by Colony Capital last year for $22.5 million.

The people standing outside Neverland aren't the people with the financial resources to purchase the property, Bell said.

“Right or wrong, Jackson's properties are negatively perceived by some with regards to crimes against children,” he said. “As we know from crime scenes across the country, even where convictions do not occur, these do have a significant impact on property values.”

Stigma issues also have arisen with properties associated with O.J. Simpson and JonBenet Ramsey, among others.

Future buyers will have to consider “the Michael Jackson legacy as well as the negative perceptions,” Bell said.

Even if the Jackson association is seen in a mostly positive light, it isn't likely to enhance the properties' value much because the regional real estate market is relatively immune to star power.

“People who buy houses like that are usually almost celebrities in their own right, so the star quality is not going to affect the price,” said Raymond Bekeris, president of Los Angeles-based John Bruce Nelson & Associates, who sold a Beverly Hills mansion in 2004 that Jackson had been renting. “I don't remember ever being in a negotiation where someone said, ‘Hey, you should pay more because Michael Jackson lived here.”'

“Because a celebrity lived there doesn't make it worth more,” said Billy Rose of Rose & Chang, Prudential California Realty in Beverly Hills, “but it may make it sell faster.” Such properties can generate more interest.

One notable exception in which the owner's name added value was the sale of Frank Sinatra's former house in Palms Springs, Calif.

“It brought in additional money because there was a Rat Pack sensibility about it,” said Ron De Salvo of Coldwell Banker in Beverly Hills.

But he hasn't seen that play out in the Los Angeles area. “What people pay extra for today is the architect more than the celebrity.”

Colony Capital declined to comment for this article.

Whether the property occupied by a celebrity was owned or rented doesn't matter, Bell said. (Jackson had been leasing a French chateau-style estate built in 2002 with seven bedrooms and 13 bathrooms for $100,000 a month when he died.)

“Sharon Tate was a renter but nevertheless that property was very much impacted by crime scene stigma,” he said, referring to the Manson family murders of 1969.

Likewise, if the house remains or is destroyed doesn't diminish the association with the address.

As for Neverland, “Whether the developers come in and try to capitalize in some way with a museum like they did with Elvis and Graceland or try to bulldoze it, they will have issues either way,” Bell said.

A museum might be financially viable, he said, but the location is fairly remote.



http://www.kcoy.com/global/story.asp?s=10607281

Fans Visit Neverland Ranch

Posted: June 27, 2009 11:50 PM PDT

Updated: June 27, 2009 11:50 PM PDT




6/27/09

SANTA YNEZ VALLEY - Fans here on the central coast say Michael Jackson's memory will live on forever.

Fans continued to gather outside Neverland Ranch to lend support to one another and celebrate Michael's life.

Flowers and signs piled up along the gates.

Many people came to the iconic ranch just to say goodbye and pay their tribute to the king of pop.

Jackson fan Stephen Cejner says, "This is a day to remember the good things he did. The music he provided for the world... forever."

Ana Lee Pace says, "He becomes a part of everybody's life, he's a part of our memories. He was just a pretty neat person and had many gifts from god."

The reverend Al Sharpton says the Jackson family is considering a series of simultaneous global celebrations and other ideas to commemorate the life of the king of pop.



Santa Ynez is a beautiful city. That whole area is beautiful. It's about an hours drive from me but I love that area. Unfortunately the prices out there are pretty high. If you have never been to the central coast of California, and you get the chance to do so, please go there. Santa Ynez and nearby Solvang and Santa Barbara (when no fires are going on) are beautiful to go to. Very peaceful and pretty quiet areas.
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I wouldn't be at all surprised if Neverland is purchased and reopened as a Graceland-type of museum. It also wouldn't surprise me to see someone like P.Diddy come forward and buy it. I really think this place will become a mecca now for fans from around the world.

Just my two cents' worth. ;)




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I was just reading that his kids aren't his kids. Sad...
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I was just reading that his kids aren't his kids. Sad...
With all due respect to Jackson, I never did think those kids were biologically his. It doesn't mean he wasn't their father though.....
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I was just reading that his kids aren't his kids. Sad...
With all due respect to Jackson, I never did think those kids were biologically his. It doesn't mean he wasn't their father though.....
Exactly. He was their father in all the ways that count. Identity of the sperm donor really isn't important, unless that individual is now going to try and cash in. Let's hope that won't happen. :-/




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http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,25706369-5006301,00.html

The Sun reports leaked Michael Jackson autopsy
Article from: NEWS.com.au

June 29, 2009 01:10pm

LEAKED details of Michael Jackson's autopsy reveal he had wasted away to a virtual skeleton, was almost bald and his body was riddled with needle marks.

The results indicate 50-year-old Jackson was effectively anorexic, weighing just 50kg at the time he died, his stomach was empty except for a series of pills he had swallowed.

Jackson was barely eating and was limiting himself to one meal a day, reported The Sun in London which obtained the autopsy findings.

It is understood Jackson - who died at his rented Los Angeles mansion last Friday - was taking narcotic painkillers three times a day: The evidence of which was shown by numerous needle wounds on his body.

Doctors also found surgery scars which they believe were the result of as many as 13 cosmetic operations in the past 20 years.

At the time of his death, Jackson had been preparing for a major music comeback and was to fly to London to perform 50 sold-out concerts.

But reports are emerging today that in the past fortnight he had stopped working out and was increasingly stressed about demands of performing.

The autopsy report makes for grim reading, The Sun reported, highlighting its key findings that:

THE 180cm tall Jackson, once known for his athleticism, had wasted away to 50kg - about the size of a jockey.

PARTIALLY-DISSOLVED pills which Jackson took before the painkiller injection which stopped his heart were sent for toxicology tests.

HE was almost bald and was wearing a wig, with just a light fuzz covering his scalp.

ABOVE his left ear was a scarred bald section of skin believed the legacy of when his hair caught on fire while filming a Pepsi commercial.

JACKSON had broken ribs caused by paramedics trying to revive the singer. Four injection marks near Jackson's heart were believed caused by attempts to give him adrenaline to restart his heart.

THERE was also unexplained bruising to his knees and shins and cuts on his back.

JACKSON'S notorious nose was a mess, its right-side virtually collapsed, the bridge had vanished and his face bore the scars of plastic surgery.

The results will further focus attention of Dr Conrad Murray who was with Jackson when he died and had been hired to be his personal doctor during his comeback.
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I had heard about some of that but really hope that it was wrong. Sad so sad!

Watching the BET Awards (Black Entertainment Television) and the whole show has been dedicated to MJ. Not watching all of it but it just floors me that Joe Jackson is there to rep the very son that he screwed up. I hear at the end Janet Jackson comes on, tearfully, to end the show. What I have seen has been pretty good but there was something that the host Jamie Foxx has said that I kind of take exception to, though I understand, he said that they wanted to show the true Michael Jackson and not the one that the media is showing.
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http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,25706369-5006301,00.html

The Sun reports leaked Michael Jackson autopsy
Article from: NEWS.com.au

June 29, 2009 01:10pm

LEAKED details of Michael Jackson's autopsy reveal he had wasted away to a virtual skeleton, was almost bald and his body was riddled with needle marks.

The results indicate 50-year-old Jackson was effectively anorexic, weighing just 50kg at the time he died, his stomach was empty except for a series of pills he had swallowed.

Jackson was barely eating and was limiting himself to one meal a day, reported The Sun in London which obtained the autopsy findings.

It is understood Jackson - who died at his rented Los Angeles mansion last Friday - was taking narcotic painkillers three times a day: The evidence of which was shown by numerous needle wounds on his body.

Doctors also found surgery scars which they believe were the result of as many as 13 cosmetic operations in the past 20 years.

At the time of his death, Jackson had been preparing for a major music comeback and was to fly to London to perform 50 sold-out concerts.

But reports are emerging today that in the past fortnight he had stopped working out and was increasingly stressed about demands of performing.

The autopsy report makes for grim reading, The Sun reported, highlighting its key findings that:

THE 180cm tall Jackson, once known for his athleticism, had wasted away to 50kg - about the size of a jockey.

PARTIALLY-DISSOLVED pills which Jackson took before the painkiller injection which stopped his heart were sent for toxicology tests.

HE was almost bald and was wearing a wig, with just a light fuzz covering his scalp.

ABOVE his left ear was a scarred bald section of skin believed the legacy of when his hair caught on fire while filming a Pepsi commercial.

JACKSON had broken ribs caused by paramedics trying to revive the singer. Four injection marks near Jackson's heart were believed caused by attempts to give him adrenaline to restart his heart.

THERE was also unexplained bruising to his knees and shins and cuts on his back.

JACKSON'S notorious nose was a mess, its right-side virtually collapsed, the bridge had vanished and his face bore the scars of plastic surgery.

The results will further focus attention of Dr Conrad Murray who was with Jackson when he died and had been hired to be his personal doctor during his comeback.
That actually sounds about what I would expect. It is tragically sad.
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That is just so tragically sad. :cry: So heartbreaking on so many levels. :cry:

Last night, I caught part of Geraldo Rivera's show, devoted to all things MJ. What took my breath away was when Geraldo actually had Joe Jackson on the phone and all JJ wanted to say was that his son was and still IS the biggest, most famous entertainer in the history of the world! (Not an exact quote, but close!) :(

Even in death, MJ is still being exploited and treated like a commodity by his own father. :cry:

I was reading some old interviews with MJ and noticed that he referred to his parents as "Mother and Joseph". That says it all, doesn't it? :-/




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That is just so tragically sad. :cry: So heartbreaking on so many levels. :cry:

Last night, I caught part of Geraldo Rivera's show, devoted to all things MJ. What took my breath away was when Geraldo actually had Joe Jackson on the phone and all JJ wanted to say was that his son was and still IS the biggest, most famous entertainer in the history of the world! (Not an exact quote, but close!) :(

Even in death, MJ is still being exploited and treated like a commodity by his own father. :cry:

I was reading some old interviews with MJ and noticed that he referred to his parents as "Mother and Joseph". That says it all, doesn't it? :-/
Doesn't it, though. That's kind of creepy.
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MJ said he was scared of his father for many years; in fact, he said it was just a few years ago that they were able to be together without Michael feeling afraid of him. He said his siblings were all scared of their dad, as well.




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WOW. :o

He did seem to be able to do the most insane moves with his body. He always admired Fred Astaire, Gene Kelly and Sammy Davis Jr., not to mention James Brown. He took the best of their moves and then made them his own. I never tire of watching him dance.




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Watching the BET awards some of the people are saying, with Joe in the front row with Al Sharpton next to him, that they send their condolences to Katherine Jackson and the family.
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Is that show on right now? :unsure:




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Is that show on right now? :unsure:
yep 10 more minutes to go.
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Ooops. Guess I'll have to catch a rebroadcast. :-/




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I thought this was interesting and more than a little revealing.



Michael In The Mirror (USA Today 2001)

In December 2001 USA Today did an interview with Michael Jackson. Here are the questions posed by them and Michael's intelligent replies.

Q: How do you respond to inaccurate articles about you?

Michael Jackson: I don't pay any attention. The fans know the tabloid garbage is crap. They always say to me, "Let's have a tabloid-burning." It's terrible to try to assassinate one's character. I've had people come to me, and after meeting me, they start crying. I say, "Why are you crying?" They say, "Because I thought you would be stuck up, but you're the nicest person." I say, "Who gave you this judgment?" They tell me they read it. I tell them, "Don't you believe what you read."
Q: Do these rumors persist because you don't refute them?
MJ: No. I've done so much in the past. I did the most watched TV interview in history with Oprah Winfrey (in 1993). But (the media) tend to want to twist what you say and judge you. I want to keep it on the music and the art. I think about some of my favorite people who ever lived. If I could stand face to face with Walt Disney or Michelangelo, would I care what they do in their private life? I want to know about their art. I'm a fan.
Q: How do you shield yourself from being hurt by criticism?
MJ: Expecting it, knowing it's going to happen and being invincible, being what I was always taught to be. You stand strong with an iron fist, no matter what the situation."
Q: Critics refer to you as the self-proclaimed King of Pop. Did you choose that title?
MJ: I never self-proclaimed myself to be anything. If I called up Elizabeth Taylor right now, she would tell you that she coined the phrase. She was introducing me, I think at the American Music Awards, and said in her own words — it wasn't in the script — "I'm a personal fan, and in my opinion he is the king of pop, rock and soul." Then the press started saying "King of Pop" and the fans started. This self-proclaimed garbage, I don't know who said that.
Q: The New York concerts marked your first U.S. shows in 12 years. Were you nervous?
MJ: No. It was an honor to be back with my brothers again. The producer wanted a cavalcade of luminaries from different fields of endeavor. It was a great honor to have them salute me. It was heartwarming, a happy, fun occasion.
Q: Would you consider another tour with your brothers?
MJ: I don't think so. I would definitely do an album with them, but not a tour. They would love to tour. But I want to move on to other things. Physically, touring takes a lot out of you. When I'm on stage, it's like a two-hour marathon. I weigh myself before and after each show, and I lose a good 10 pounds. Sweat is all over the stage. Then you get to your hotel and your adrenaline is at its zenith and you can't fall asleep. And you've got a show the next day. It's tough.
Q: If you don't tour, how will you satisfy public demand as well as your need to perform?
MJ: I want to direct a special on myself and do songs that touch me. I want something more intimate, from the soul and heart, with just one spotlight.
Q: How did you react when Invincible topped the chart here and in a dozen countries?
MJ: It was a lovely feeling. I cried happy tears to see all the love.
Q: Invincible was several years in the making. Does your perfectionism slow the process?
MJ: It did take a while because I'm never happy with the songs. I'll write a bunch of songs, throw them out, write some more. People say, "Are you crazy? That's got to go on the album." But I'll say, "Is it better than this other one?" You only get 75 minutes on a CD, and we push it to the limit.
Q: Did you approach Invincible with a single theme in mind?
MJ: I never think about themes. I let the music create itself. I like it to be a potpourri of all kinds of sounds, all kinds of colors, something for everybody, from the farmer in Ireland to the lady who scrubs toilets in Harlem.
Q: Has it become easier to write songs over time?
MJ: It's the most effortless thing in the world because you don't do anything. I hate to say it like that, but it's the truth. The heavens drop it right into your lap, in its totality. The real gems come that way. You can sit at the piano and say, "OK, I'm going to write the greatest song ever written," and nothing. But you can be walking down the street or showering or playing and, boom, it hits you in the head. I've written so many like that. I'm playing a pinball machine, and I have to run upstairs and get my little tape recorder and start dictating. I hear everything in its totality, what the strings are going to do, what the bass is going to do, the harpsichord, everything.
Q: Is it difficult translating that sound to tape?
MJ: That's what's frustrating. In my head, it's completed, but I have to transplant that to tape. It's like (Alfred) Hitchcock said, "The movie's finished." But he still has to start directing it. The song is the same. You see it in its entirety and then you execute it.
Q: After such a long absence, did you have doubts about your current relevance?
MJ: Never. I have confidence in my abilities. I have real perseverance. Nothing can stop me when I put my mind to it.
Q: After Sept. 11, you wrote a benefit song, What More Can I Give? What's the status?
MJ: It's not finished. We're adding artists, and I'm getting myself satisfied with the instrumentation.
Q: Is it your belief that music is a tool for healing?
MJ: It's a mantra that soothes the soul. It's therapeutic. It's something our body has to have, like food. It's very important to understand the power of music. Whether you're in an elevator or a department store, music affects the way you shop, the way you treat your neighbor.
(Prince hands Jackson a drawing. "I appreciate it," Jackson says. "Do you have to go to the bathroom?" Prince: "No.")
Q: Invincible hasn't enjoyed record-breaking sales. Does Thriller cast too big a shadow?
MJ: Absolutely. It is tough because you're competing against yourself. Invincible is just as good or better than Thriller, in my true, humble opinion. It has more to offer. Music is what lives and lasts. Invincible has been a great success. When The Nutcracker Suite was first introduced to the world, it totally bombed. What's important is how the story ends.
(Prince surfaces again with another picture. "What did you promise me?" Jackson asks. "To be quiet?" Prince responds, then retreats.)
Q: How has fatherhood changed you?
MJ: In a huge way. You have to value your time differently, no doubt about it. It's your responsibility to make sure they're taken care of and raised properly with good manners. But I refuse to let any of it get in the way of the music or the dance or the performing. I have to play two different roles. I always wanted to have a big family, ever since I was in school. I was always telling my father I would outdo him. He had 10 children. I would love to have like 11 or 12 myself.
Q: What have you taught your children?
MJ: I try to make sure they're respectful and honorable and kind to everybody. I tell them, no matter what they do, work hard at it. What you want to do for a lifetime, be the best at it.
(Prince is staring. "Stop looking at me," Jackson says, smiling.)
Q: And what have your kids taught you?
MJ: A lot. (Parenthood) reminds you to do what the Bible has always told us. When the Apostles were arguing among themselves over who was the greatest in Jesus' eyes, he said, "None of you," and called over a little boy and said, "until you humble yourself like this child." It reminds you to be kind and humble and to see things through the eyes of children with a childlike wonderment. I still have that. I'm still fascinated by clouds and the sunset. I was making wishes on the rainbow yesterday. I saw the meteor shower. I made a wish every time I saw a shooting star.
Q: What are your wishes?
MJ: Peace and love for the children. (Prince returns, gazing intently. "Stop that," says Jackson, gently turning the boy's head away. "Can you be still?")
Q: You've said you plan to home-school your kids. Given your fame, how can you provide a normal life for them?
MJ: You do the best you can. You don't isolate them from other children. There will be other kids at the school (on his property). I let them go out in the world. But they can't always go with me. We get mobbed and attacked. When we were in Africa, Prince saw a mob attack in a huge shopping mall. People broke so much stuff, running and screaming. My biggest fear is that fans will hurt themselves, and they do. I've seen glass break, blood, ambulances.
Q: Are you resentful that stardom stole your childhood?
MJ: Yeah. It's not anger, it's pain. People see me at an amusement park or with other kids having fun, and they don't stop and think, "He never had that chance when he was little." I never had the chance to do the fun things kids do: sleepovers, parties, trick-or-treat. There was no Christmas, no holiday celebrating. So now you try to compensate for some of that loss.
Q: Have you made peace with your father?
MJ: It's much better. My father is a much nicer person now. I think he realizes his children are everything. Without your family, you have nothing. He's a nice human being. At one time, we'd be horrified if he just showed up. We were scared to death. He turned out really well. I wish it wasn't so late.
Q: Did music offer an escape from childhood worries?
MJ: Of course. We sang constantly in the house. We sang group harmony while washing dishes. We'd make up songs as we worked. That's what makes greatness. You have to have that tragedy, that pain to pull from. That's what makes a clown great. You can see he's hurting behind the masquerade. He's something else externally. Chaplin did that so beautifully, better than anyone. I can play off those moments, too. I've been through the fire many times.
(Prince is back. He leans against the chair to gawk at the king of pops. "Stop looking at me," Jackson implores, clearly unnerved by the tyke's scrutiny. "You're not making this easy." Both of them chuckle, and Jackson warns teasingly, "You may not get that piece of candy.")
Q: Do your religious beliefs ever conflict with the sexy nature of your music or dancing?
MJ: No. I sing about things that are loving, and if people interpret it as sexy, that's up to them. I never use bad words like some of the rappers. I love and respect their work, but I think I have too much respect for parents and mothers and elderly people. If I did a song with bad words and saw an older lady in the audience, I'd cringe.
Q: But what about your trademark crotch-grabbing moves?
MJ: I started doing that with Bad. Martin Scorsese directed that short film in the subways of New York. I let the music tell me what to do. I remember him saying, "That was a great take! I want you to see it." So we pushed playback, and I went aaaah! I didn't realize I was doing that. But then everyone else started doing that, and Madonna, too. But it's not sexual at all.
Q: How are you spending your free time these days?
MJ: I like to do silly things — water-balloon fights, pie fights, egg fights. (Turning to Prince) You got a good one coming! I don't think I'll ever grow out of that. At my house, I built a water-balloon fort with two sides, a red team and a blue team. We have cannons that shoot water 60 feet and slingshots that shoot the balloons. We got bridges and places to hide. I just love it.
Q: After 38 years in show business, fans still mob you. Are you immune to adulation?
MJ: It's always a good feeling. I never take it for granted. I'm never puffed up with pride or think I'm better than the next-door neighbor. To be loved is a wonderful thing. That is the main reason I do this. I feel compelled to do it, to give people some sense of escapism, a treat to the eye and the ear. I think it's the reason I'm here.
Q: Why do you think people are jealous?

MJ: If you look back in history, it's the same with anybody who's achieved wonderful things. I know the Disney family well, and Walt's daughters used to tell me it was difficult when they were in school. Kids would say, "I hate Walt Disney. He's not even funny. We don't watch him." Charlie Chaplin's kids, who I know well, had to take their children out of school. They were being teased: "You're grandfather is stupid. He's not funny. We don't like him." He was a genius! So you have to deal with this jealousy. They think they're hurting you. Nothing could hurt me. The bigger the star, the larger the target. At least they're talking. When they stop talking, you have to worry.
Q: How did you gear up for the physical demands of your special concerts (which aired as a two-hour CBS special)? Do you exercise?
MJ: I hate exercise. I hate it so much. The only think I do is dance. That's an exercise. That's why I like some of the karate stuff or kung fu. It's all a dance. But sit-ups? I hate it.
Q: Were you intimidated by any of the other superstars on the bill?
MJ: No. I enjoy watching performers. It's all school for me. I never stop learning. It was really inspiring.
Q: Are you more enamored with modern music or vintage stuff?
MJ: I like the earlier stuff. It's more melodically conscious. Today people rely on a beat or a rhythm, which is nice, but I said this time and time again, melody will always be king. You have to hum it.
Q: You've teamed with a huge variety of musicians. What attracts you to a particular collaborator?
MJ: If I see some potential in their ability as an artist or musician, I'll give them a hook or a line or a phrase and see how they play it or execute it. Sometimes we go all day and it's still not right.
Q: Did you learn that lesson from your parents?
MJ: Our parents taught us to always be respectful and, no matter what you do, to give it everything you have. Be the best, not the second best.
Q: You are often purused by mobs of fans. Are you ever scared for your own safety?
MJ: Never ever. I know exactly what to do when it gets really rough, how to just play them. As long as they can see you, they're crazy, but you can put yourself in the eye of the hurricane. If you duck and they can't see you, they calm down.
Q: Your inner circle seems to consist of very young friends or much older ones. What connects you to people like Marlon Brando or Elizabeth Taylor?
MJ: We've had the same lives. They grew up in show business. We look at each other, and it's like looking in a mirror. Elizabeth has this little girl inside of her who never had a childhood. She was on the set every day. She loves playing with a new gadget or toy, and she's totally awe-inspired by it. She's a wonderful human being. So is Brando.
Q: What happened to your plans to build theme parks in Europe and Africa?
MJ: We're still working on a couple projects. I can't say right now where. I love theme parks. I love seeing children coming together, having a good time with their parents. It's not like it used to be, when you put your kids on the merry-go-round and sat on the bench eating peanuts. Now you enjoy it with them. It builds a unity to the family.




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http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,25706369-5006301,00.html

The Sun reports leaked Michael Jackson autopsy
Article from: NEWS.com.au

The Sun is very unreliable. They're tottaly unsucrupuous and wouldn't hesitate to lie lie lie!!!!
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http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,25706369-5006301,00.html

The Sun reports leaked Michael Jackson autopsy
Article from: NEWS.com.au

The Sun is very unreliable. They're tottaly unsucrupuous and wouldn't hesitate to lie lie lie!!!!
As disturbing as that article is (even if it turns out to be true), it's more disturbing to me that someone in a position of confidence and responsibility has sold this information to a tabloid. :nono:

Do all people have a price tag? :ponder: :-/




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Jun 29 2009, 04:40 AM
http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,25706369-5006301,00.html

The Sun reports leaked Michael Jackson autopsy
Article from: NEWS.com.au

The Sun is very unreliable. They're tottaly unsucrupuous and wouldn't hesitate to lie lie lie!!!!
As disturbing as that article is (even if it turns out to be true), it's more disturbing to me that someone in a position of confidence and responsibility has sold this information to a tabloid. :nono:

Do all people have a price tag? :ponder: :-/
the bbc had a coroner or the coronors spokesman saying it's an out and out forgery!
Basically, The Sun have just spotted an opportunity to get their name more well known.
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I went into a shop today and as usual when it comes to this time of the month before getting the stuff i actually needed I went over to the music mags and the hing glaring back at me was this months Q, this was released (or at least at been printed) prior to Jackson's death.... there was speculation if these concerts would still go ahead which I have to say was incredibly eary. On first glance it was centreing around his odd lifestyle but will need to give it a closer look

On an unrelated thing on the same thing they did a feature abour a CSI of Rock n roll. It left me a tad cold just because what has happened in the past few days

I hear Jackson's mother has filed for custody of the kids. Dont think thats a sensible option mainly because of her age but who knows
and notice how all these people will come out of the woodwork with their stories of Jackson. I read to day that he was secretly gay, i'm sure that story has been out there before though
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i am still heartbroken over this. it's such a sad story about someone who just couldn't be helped. :cry: and he was really so brilliant and a perfectionist. listening to his songs all day. my fave is You Are Not Alone. i played it right after i heard he passed. he was just SO FANTASTIC with his dance moves. in itunes' top 10 list, 8 are his.

i've heard he was anorexic and ate only one meal a day. and if it's true he was on all these drugs: oxycotin, demerol, vicodin, paxil, zoloft, xanax, and a muscle relaxant-- well, how could he be a conscious father? and yet i hear his kids are very polite and mannerly and loving and kind.

when he was being prosecuted for child molestation i knew in my heart he wouldn't/couldn't do it. when someone asked if i would let him babysit my granddaughter, NO, i wouldn't but not for the reasons one might think. it would be like having a child watch another child.

i hope he's resting in peace knowing he was very loved here. who knows...maybe he'll jam with george and john. and ELVIS, TOO!!!!

RIP, my dear michael. :cry:

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That story about MJ being gay has been around for quite awhile.

My objection to Katherine getting the kids is her husband. Watching the BET awards last night, it was pretty apparent what people thought of Joe, Not once was he mentioned directly but several times she was.

The story in The Sun have barely received a whisper here. I had heard, during his trial in Santa Rosa, that he is nearly bald and does wear wigs. No idea how true that is.

One of the radio stations I listen to have pretty much questioned whether or not these concerts would come to fruition from the time they were announced.
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CNN was showing some sort of news conference this morning, featuring Joe Jackson. He was talking about his new record company, of all things. When asked about Michael, he continued to talk about his son in terms of his being the "world's biggest star", etc. and it was almost as if Michael were still alive. I couldn't hear the reporter's question, but apparently Jackson was asked about his lack of emotions (regarding Michael's death) and he said that different people show emotions differently, and that his emotions were all "in here" (he patted his own chest.) :( Then he continued to blather on about his new venture. :roll:


He is really just a pathetic individual, in my opinion. His son was his meal ticket and he's still trying to milk Michael's appeal, even after he's dead. :(




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He's just despicable!
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and i don't get that the fans outside the house were saying, "we love you, joe"...wth is that about? i hope he doesn't try to capitalize on his grandchildren now....
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and i don't get that the fans outside the house were saying, "we love you, joe"...wth is that about? i hope he doesn't try to capitalize on his grandchildren now....
Too late. He already has. He mentioned them in his news conference. He says they're going to "take care of them." Yeah, I just bet . . . :roll:

I hope if Katherine Jackson is granted rights as executrix of Michael's estate, that SHE will not let Joe have any say in any of her decisions, regarding the grandchildren or anything else. :-/




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