The plagiarism spotting thread

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The plagiarism spotting thread
Topic Started: May 10 2009, 01:25 AM (442 Views)
Mr.Mustard	May 12 2009, 02:45 PM Post #31
Posts: 769 Group: Members Member #645 Joined: March 20, 2009	ohnotjimagain May 12 2009, 12:17 PM What about Oasis. The actually admit they rip-off other peoples songs. One, can't remember the name right now, starts off like Lennon's Imagine. It's Don't look back in anger but the intro.is a red herring. The actual tune itself is a rip off of watching the wheels or Just like starting over. Can't remember which. It's one of Oasis's subtler plagiarism's. Oasis are incredibly plagaristic. Edited by Mr.Mustard, May 12 2009, 02:46 PM.
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Andy	May 12 2009, 04:54 PM Post #32
Posts: 348 Group: Members Member #646 Joined: March 20, 2009	The guitar break in Oasis' Stand By Me is very much like the guitar break in Paul's Uncle Albert/Admiral Halsey (during the "Hands across the water" bit). Oasis are shameless in their "influences" - but they get away with them because they are so brazen.



Bill	May 12 2009, 05:28 PM Post #33
Posts: 9,565 Group: Members Member #6 Joined: May 7, 2006	Mr.Mustard May 12 2009, 02:45 PM ohnotjimagain May 12 2009, 12:17 PM What about Oasis. The actually admit they rip-off other peoples songs. One, can't remember the name right now, starts off like Lennon's Imagine. It's Don't look back in anger but the intro.is a red herring. The actual tune itself is a rip off of watching the wheels or Just like starting over. Can't remember which. It's one of Oasis's subtler plagiarism's. Oasis are incredibly plagaristic. Actually, it owes far more to Pachelbel's Canon in D, as does Go West, All Together Now, Friends Forever and a dozen others. I think the bit in Stand By Me was meant to recall All the Young Dudes but I was never impressed by that section in either the Bowie song or the Oasis song. It just tells me they couldn't resolve the chorus.
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Mr.Mustard	May 29 2009, 03:38 PM Post #34
Posts: 769 Group: Members Member #645 Joined: March 20, 2009	i've always thought simon and garfunlkes...ok, simon's Only living boy in NY resembles A day in the life. Not so much the singing but the guitar chords and harmony vocals
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beatlechick	May 29 2009, 06:34 PM Post #35
In Paul's Arms! Posts: 6,692 Group: Members Member #29 Joined: May 8, 2006	Mr.Mustard May 11 2009, 03:00 AM Bill May 10 2009, 08:38 PM Just because the Eagles paid up doesn't mean it was a case of deliberate theft. Often it comes down to how much of a dick the "victim" chooses to be about it. The Beatles have been being ripped off for 40 years. But generally, they accept that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery and move on. The Stones on the other hand, will take the money thank you very much. Ironic for a band that made a career out of travelling in the Beatles' wake. YOu're joking! Are you seriously suggesting that it could be a coindence the similarity with the Tull song and Hotel California. That's why i made the point about Only Mamma knows. That's just a bit of it that sounds like the Abba song so that could be a coincidence but Hotel California is a blatant plagiarism. They even take their song into an extended jam like Tull! You're high or something. Only Mama Knows does not sound anything like any ABBA song.



beatlechick	May 29 2009, 06:37 PM Post #36
In Paul's Arms! Posts: 6,692 Group: Members Member #29 Joined: May 8, 2006	Mr.Mustard May 11 2009, 06:25 PM FamousGroupie May 11 2009, 05:05 PM Mr.Mustard May 11 2009, 07:51 AM I'm not even going to argue about this case anymore. No one can seriously argue the Eagles didn't do exactly that. Can someone argue that the Eagles did deliberately rip Jethro Tull off? No? Didn't think so. I keep trying to get out but they keep draggin me back in. Ian Anderson's gold watch can! Sorry, that doesn't prove it was deliberate. Same with My Sweet Lord. George didn't deliberately use the other song.



Queenbee	May 29 2009, 08:47 PM Post #37
Posts: 5,910 Group: Admin Member #19 Joined: May 8, 2006	I agree it does sound like Hotel California in the background. If the Eagles don't care, that's all that matters legally.
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Mr.Mustard	May 30 2009, 01:12 AM Post #38
Posts: 769 Group: Members Member #645 Joined: March 20, 2009	beatlechick May 29 2009, 06:37 PM Mr.Mustard May 11 2009, 06:25 PM FamousGroupie May 11 2009, 05:05 PM Mr.Mustard May 11 2009, 07:51 AM I'm not even going to argue about this case anymore. No one can seriously argue the Eagles didn't do exactly that. Can someone argue that the Eagles did deliberately rip Jethro Tull off? No? Didn't think so. I keep trying to get out but they keep draggin me back in. Ian Anderson's gold watch can! Sorry, that doesn't prove it was deliberate. Same with My Sweet Lord. George didn't deliberately use the other song. George did deliberately use those notes for his own song. YOu just can't handle the truth! George plagiarised quite often. Take long long long. It's just Dylan's Sad eyed lady of the low land with different words.
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Mr.Mustard	May 30 2009, 01:16 AM Post #39
Posts: 769 Group: Members Member #645 Joined: March 20, 2009	beatlechick May 29 2009, 06:34 PM Mr.Mustard May 11 2009, 03:00 AM Bill May 10 2009, 08:38 PM Just because the Eagles paid up doesn't mean it was a case of deliberate theft. Often it comes down to how much of a dick the "victim" chooses to be about it. The Beatles have been being ripped off for 40 years. But generally, they accept that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery and move on. The Stones on the other hand, will take the money thank you very much. Ironic for a band that made a career out of travelling in the Beatles' wake. YOu're joking! Are you seriously suggesting that it could be a coindence the similarity with the Tull song and Hotel California. That's why i made the point about Only Mamma knows. That's just a bit of it that sounds like the Abba song so that could be a coincidence but Hotel California is a blatant plagiarism. They even take their song into an extended jam like Tull! You're high or something. Only Mama Knows does not sound anything like any ABBA song. I didn't say it did...i said a bit of it does as an example of a coincidence that doesn't mean plagiarism. Jeez! YOu people have even started to shout me down even when i'm not accusing anyone of anything!!
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beatlechick	Jun 4 2009, 08:52 PM Post #40
In Paul's Arms! Posts: 6,692 Group: Members Member #29 Joined: May 8, 2006	Mr.Mustard May 30 2009, 01:16 AM YOu're joking! Are you seriously suggesting that it could be a coindence the similarity with the Tull song and Hotel California. That's why i made the point about Only Mamma knows. That's just a bit of it that sounds like the Abba song so that could be a coincidence but Hotel California is a blatant plagiarism. They even take their song into an extended jam like Tull! Let me re-quote a portion of the original quote above: Edited by beatlechick, Jun 4 2009, 09:21 PM.



beatlechick	Jun 4 2009, 09:19 PM Post #41
In Paul's Arms! Posts: 6,692 Group: Members Member #29 Joined: May 8, 2006	Mr.Mustard May 30 2009, 01:12 AM Quoting limited to 1 levels deepdid I think it's you who can't handle the truth! You want to believe what you want, that's fine be my guest. You have to realize that you're not always right and not always wrong. So George may have been deliberate, the debate still rages on about that. I know it was settled in the courts out here in LA where I live but it was never proven to have been deliberate. George stated that he had the tune in his head. He thought it was his own. Per wikipedia: Following the song's release, musical similarities between "My Sweet Lord" and The Chiffons' hit "He's So Fine" led to a lengthy legal battle over the rights to the composition. Billboard magazine, in an article dated 6 March 1971, stated that Harrison's royalty payments from the recording had been halted worldwide. Harrison stated that he was inspired to write "My Sweet Lord" after hearing the Edwin Hawkins Singers' "Oh Happy Day". In the U.S. federal court decision in the case, known as Bright Tunes Music v. Harrisongs Music,[2] Harrison was found to have unintentionally copied the earlier song. He was ordered to surrender the majority of royalties from "My Sweet Lord" and partial royalties from All Things Must Pass. Former manager Allen Klein, who earlier had supported Harrison's case, became the owner of Bright Tunes, after they parted ways. In the long run this worked against Klein, but it resulted in the case continuing for years in court. Interestingly Harrison claimed in a BBC interview with Annie Nightingale that the Judge in the case said that he liked Harrison's version of "My Sweet Lord" more. The Chiffons would later record "My Sweet Lord" to capitalize on the publicity generated by the lawsuit. Shortly thereafter, Harrison (who would eventually buy the rights to "He's So Fine")[3] wrote and recorded a song about the court case named "This Song", which includes "This song, there's nothing 'Bright' about it." "I Can't Help Myself (Sugar Pie, Honey Bunch)" and "Rescue Me" are also mentioned in the record. from: http://abbeyrd.best.vwh.net/mysweet.htm Quote: With all the evidence pointing out the similarities between the two songs, the judge said it was "perfectly obvious . . . the two songs are virtually identical". The judge was convinced that neither Harrison nor Preston consciously set out to appropriate the melody of HSF for their own use, but such was not a defense. Harrison conceded that he had heard HSF prior to writing MSL, and therefore, his subconscious knew the combination of sounds he put to the words of MSL would work, because they had already done so. Terming what occurred as subconscious plagiarism, the judge found that the case should be re-set for a trial on the issue of damages. Quote: Had he been guilty of intentional plagiarism, even of the melody alone, the entire $2,133,316 would have been awarded to Bright. This is pretty interesting: http://www.benedict.com/Audio/Harrison/Harrison.aspx As far as stealing off of Bob Dylan, that was John's job. He admitted to it.



Mr.Mustard	Jun 24 2009, 04:13 AM Post #42
Posts: 769 Group: Members Member #645 Joined: March 20, 2009	I used to love R.E.M about 20 yrs. ago and have been into them sporadically since. I got UP outta the library and noticed Hope was like L.Cohens (who,incidentally, i've just read on wiki once got his hands on Rebbecca De Mornay, which musta been nice)classic Suzanne. They did have the dececeny to credit him with a co-credit from the off either that or they knew they didn't have a leg to stand on in court. They might havve even done it as a favour, although his financial problems weren't till later.
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Mr.Mustard	Jul 14 2009, 05:13 PM Post #43
Posts: 769 Group: Members Member #645 Joined: March 20, 2009	there's a song i've heard a coupla times on the radio lately that uses the piano chords to C'moon. The dj even called it C'moon tonight
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Mr.Mustard	Jul 15 2009, 12:30 PM Post #44
Posts: 769 Group: Members Member #645 Joined: March 20, 2009	it's Regina Spector-The Calculation. I don't think the song sounds much like it but the opening does
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MaccaByrd	Aug 1 2009, 04:34 AM Post #45
(Founder) Member Posts: 3,279 Group: Members Member #2 Joined: May 6, 2006	Excerpt from Waterfalls by TLC: Dont go chasing waterfalls Please stick to the rivers and the lakes that youre used to I know that youre gonna have it your way or nothing at all But I think youre moving to fast I'm just curious as to when exactly they credited Paul McCartney. :angry:
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