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| BlueMolly2009 | Jan 14 2009, 03:51 AM Post #101 |
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See what's happening? See how many people DON'T want this to end? Are you really going to say, "I'm sick of this place, so screw all of you. If you want to continue, make a new place?" I just don't get it at all, Andy. You're going to shut this place down when people don't want it? Do you really care about what the members feelings are?
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| pood for paul | Jan 14 2009, 03:53 AM Post #102 |
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While I have enjoyed this site for the past 3 years-I kind of understand what Andy is saying. Sometimes I would read things here and just shake my head in amazement...... It is just childish to harass Andy (or anyone) about things that happen here-my God how do some of you handle real life? The bickering here at times was unbelievable... Those of you that want to continue friendships made here will find a way, if you really want to. For me, this was a fun place to come and read, but then I would forget about it, until the next time I came here. Thank you, Andy and Fiona for STRAWBERRY FIELDS, and the moderators for all their hard work~ I wish you all well. |
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| Bill | Jan 14 2009, 03:55 AM Post #103 |
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Linda, I know you have had issues with some of the decisions that staff were forced to make, but for all that, you never took it personally and always accentuated the positive here. Thank you.
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| Deleted User | Jan 14 2009, 03:57 AM Post #104 |
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God, I sure glad that Al Gore didn't take back his internet when he lost the Presidency...
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| JeffLynnesBeard | Jan 14 2009, 04:00 AM Post #105 |
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I'm just being honest about how I feel about this place. The difference with this is that this has turned out to be something it was never meant to be. It's interesting how some people are just accepting this as the product of an inevitability and how others are grasping at strands of a piece of clothing already half-way unravelled. It's also interesting that this is the busiest night we've had for a long, long time and yet often when there are a few people trawling the forums for an interesting chat there is hardly anyone to be seen. It's similar to a kid who is playing with another toy in his playpen and yet when you try to take a ball away from him that he'd lost interest in, all of a sudden, the ball is his favourite. Kids like to play with Wii's these days, not balls. |
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| JeffLynnesBeard | Jan 14 2009, 04:02 AM Post #106 |
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What, that you were steering it in a slightly different direction? Oh, the scathing remarks of Andy. Lisa, you did the best possible job you could and an excellent job in the circumstances, you just have a different personality to me and I had a certain vision for the forum. It's not your fault, it's mine. |
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| BlueMolly2009 | Jan 14 2009, 04:04 AM Post #107 |
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Andy, I do like you a lot, and if you do totally decide to stop this place from existing, I hope we can keep in contact with each other. A PM is on the way for you, my friend.
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| JeffLynnesBeard | Jan 14 2009, 04:05 AM Post #108 |
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What is to stop all of those people starting a forum of their own and carrying on in exactly the way they are right now? Nothing. Make a thread - democratically elect an admin and moderators. Get a forum from zetaboards or perhaps even a forum hosting service that works properly - who knows what you could achieve with the right tools! Design, create, go forth and multiply! |
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| Queenbee | Jan 14 2009, 04:07 AM Post #109 |
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I'm willing to help save the forum if that's possible. If there's anything I can do, let me know. Andy ~ I think it's quit rude of you to say you didn't care for the way the forum was *steering* with Lisa heading it in a slightly different direction. You could have kept that between you and her in a PM, not broadcast your feelings in front of the whole board. Makes me think, there's more than what is being said. Mom of the Board speaking. |
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| MaccasGirl | Jan 14 2009, 04:08 AM Post #110 |
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I'm so shocked and disappointed. Never would have thought this place would go away, but I respect your decision, Andy. Thank you for all you have done for the past 3 years. I'm thankful for the friends I have made here and I know we will still keep in contact, but not having this 'home' to pop into everyday will be hard to take. I may not always post, but I always read and laugh and shake my head at the things people say. It's a fun way to spend time. I will really miss this place.
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| doris mendlovitz | Jan 14 2009, 04:12 AM Post #111 |
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I am just hoping people can all leave as friends with postive open minds and remember each other with love and light and positive images in their minds. love doris. |
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| temptresss | Jan 14 2009, 04:14 AM Post #112 |
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i don't think those things happen when empires fall apart. |
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| Mindy | Jan 14 2009, 04:14 AM Post #113 |
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I've been posting on message boards since 2004, and there is always on every board some drama, some conflict, some troublesome members, and usually a lot more going on "behind the scenes" than the average member realizes. I don't really understand why all the "secrets" and "true feelings" have to be completely revealed in the end though, it just leaves people upset. Simply stating the board has run it's course I think is explanation enough.
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| DCBeatle64 | Jan 14 2009, 04:15 AM Post #114 |
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Its all a learning curve |
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| Dorfliedot | Jan 14 2009, 04:15 AM Post #115 |
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Well, we still love ya though tough times andy. |
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| Dorfliedot | Jan 14 2009, 04:17 AM Post #116 |
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Hey, I get upset with people and have my ups and down. However, I never hold grudges. |
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| JeffLynnesBeard | Jan 14 2009, 04:17 AM Post #117 |
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I think I explained what I meant, Judy, but thanks for your completely non-judgemental post. Lisa is Lisa, I am me. Lisa does things Lisa's way, I do things my way. That's about it, really. I didn't mean to imply that Lisa did anything wrong - she didn't. I merely meant that Lisa made a few decisions that I wouldn't have. She did the best possible job that she could in difficult circumstances and I have always supported her. It is a shame that the same cannot be said in reverse. It comes as no surprise that people completely and utterly ignore the nice things I say and pick up on the one questionable thing which I have to keep on explaining over and over again. As for saying things in PM, I don't see the point, there's no reason to conveniently hide things away from people any longer. |
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| retrollama | Jan 14 2009, 04:17 AM Post #118 |
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I hope so, too, Doris. It's nice to know that we have friends in all corners of the world. Maybe more of our paths will meet some day. |
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| temptresss | Jan 14 2009, 04:17 AM Post #119 |
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well, one good thing...it appears to be one of the times with most members online. |
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| Rose | Jan 14 2009, 04:19 AM Post #120 |
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Well, here's another clue for you all, the Walrus was Paul...
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I will have a lot to say...once I wrap my mind around everything.
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| JeffLynnesBeard | Jan 14 2009, 04:20 AM Post #121 |
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Ha ha! If only that was true, Dotty. Thanks anyway.
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| temptresss | Jan 14 2009, 04:20 AM Post #122 |
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IS THIS A RESULT OF ANDY AND LISA NOT MEETING EYE TO EYE ON SOMETHING? if so, it's quite immature. no one can know or predict what someone else could or would do in a certain situation. unless you have a twin out there, you can't expect people to read other people's minds. anyway, wth do i know? nothing. |
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| DCBeatle64 | Jan 14 2009, 04:22 AM Post #123 |
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I think its 4:20am in the morning in these parts and I am off to bed as the sleepy person that I am. Also thinking that it is getting to the stage where this could turn into something that it doesnt need to turn itself into.... We shouldn't need to lay into people we have had a perfectly good relationship with in the past. If it has to end, let it end on a high, not criticism |
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| Dorfliedot | Jan 14 2009, 04:23 AM Post #124 |
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It is true Andy. I still love you even when I get upset with you. I cannot help I Psycho.
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| JeffLynnesBeard | Jan 14 2009, 04:24 AM Post #125 |
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Nope, that's not it at all. Any minor disagreements that Lisa and I have had behind the scenes have nothing to do with this. All of the moderators, at different times, have had differences of opinions and Lisa and I are no different there. |
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| temptresss | Jan 14 2009, 04:25 AM Post #126 |
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this is a forum board. as andy has said, what's to stop someone from creating another one? the very same but no JeffLynnesBeard ( ). you can't force him to want it anymore if he doesn't. we are all full of mixed feelings. the thing is, someone needs to start a new board. bill? lisa? anyone? then we all just move over to that place. save it to our favorites and it's ALMOST like nothing ever happened.
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| BlueMolly2009 | Jan 14 2009, 04:26 AM Post #127 |
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I'm upset, but that doesn't mean I don't like Andy. I'm just afraid people are going to not like Andy for what he is doing and stop being friends with him. I don't want to see this go into a battle. I may not like the decision, but in the end, life goes on. It'll be tougher without this place, but hey. Okay, I went through anger, denial, anger again, denial again and now I'm starting to accept it. I'm grieving over the soon to be loss of this wonderful place.
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| Dorfliedot | Jan 14 2009, 04:27 AM Post #128 |
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We all do not always see eye to eye. Hoever, which what makes us individuals. |
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| retrollama | Jan 14 2009, 04:28 AM Post #129 |
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Thank you for being so honest, Dani, and posting what I am thinking. Enough with the complaints and speculations. No one really knows anything unless they have been a part of it. Just be grateful that this place even existed at all. |
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| JeffLynnesBeard | Jan 14 2009, 04:28 AM Post #130 |
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The way this thread has gone is primarily my fault because I have stuck around to answer questions and criticisms. I have tried to be a diplomatic person for as long as I have held the admin position here, but as I'm not trying to hold anything together (or destroy anything, I hasten to add), I do not see the need for diplomacy. All you are hearing from me is my unsweetened opinion. It may not be to everybody's taste. |
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| DCBeatle64 | Jan 14 2009, 04:29 AM Post #131 |
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I think the majority of us are adult enough to not fall out with Andy based on this decision |
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| Dorfliedot | Jan 14 2009, 04:29 AM Post #132 |
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Maybe, it gossip that got to Andy... That dam Gossip is a trouble maker. Ask, Anti-Dotty. |
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| JeffLynnesBeard | Jan 14 2009, 04:29 AM Post #133 |
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Thank you, Dani, you are quite right - good night, have a good sleep.
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| JeffLynnesBeard | Jan 14 2009, 04:31 AM Post #134 |
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When you say let it end on a high.
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| iscreamer1 | Jan 14 2009, 04:32 AM Post #135 |
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I need time to reflect and digest, I can't comment until then. |
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| temptresss | Jan 14 2009, 04:33 AM Post #136 |
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night night. as you can see, begging didn't work! have a good night, andy, and don't worry about it. you had a decision to make and you made it and now we all hate you! just kidding!!!! just don't forget to turn out the light!
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| BlueMolly2009 | Jan 14 2009, 04:34 AM Post #137 |
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I am going to bed soon. I just want to say, thank you Andy for being a good friend. You were there when I was having issues and you are a good man and Fiona is lucky to have you. ![]() Okay, I'm off or my head will hit the monitor. af;a;dfjasd;fjasd;fjfsdl;sdaasd;ljsdfafld Oops, it just did.
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| Mindy | Jan 14 2009, 04:36 AM Post #138 |
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Creating a message board is easy, but maintaining one is a lot of work. |
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| Dorfliedot | Jan 14 2009, 04:36 AM Post #139 |
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| JeffLynnesBeard | Jan 14 2009, 04:39 AM Post #140 |
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Just for the record, I may not agree with Lisa (Jacaranda) all of the time and she and I have had a little bit of a tense time recently, but I have a huge amount of respect for her intelligence and compassion. We tend to agree 95% of the time on many things, but we're both strong-willed people and when that 5% comes around... stand back, people! I hope Lisa knows how I really feel about her, regardless of the issues we've had lately. And if she doesn't, she's hearing it now. |
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| Jacaranda | Jan 14 2009, 04:42 AM Post #141 |
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Nancy please don't start something where there isn't anything. There is not some secret underground war between Andy and I. For my part, I have always had the utmost respect and admiration for Andy and have always loved this board and the people in it. I have enjoyed most of the time here (with the exception of the fights I've been involved in [prior to becoming a mod] and those had to step in on). Andy, I'm just hurt because you chose this moment to say that you were going "nuts" because of what I had done, but you hadn't ever previously told me a thing. I accept that we are different and that is fine -- I never really wanted to run this board but only did so to make sure it wouldn't end, since no one else would have wanted to do it. And as I have said, I only did it, hoping you would come back. I was glad when you did. I'm sorry that everything has come to this. It was good while it lasted. My biggest regret is that within the 400,000 or so messages there are many I wished could be saved, even whole threads that I will miss being able to see. I'm with Bill on this, but I understand how you feel. |
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| JeffLynnesBeard | Jan 14 2009, 04:46 AM Post #142 |
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It was just an expression, Lisa, and it wasn't about anything you were doing, it was just me not coping with losing 'control' of something that had been a huge part of my life. I'm sorry I hurt your feelings. |
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| BlueMolly2009 | Jan 14 2009, 04:47 AM Post #143 |
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just thought about what Andy said. This place does remind me of when a store goes out of business because of lack of business, but then has tons of people come out because of the sales. I always want to ask, where were you when the store was in trouble? ![]() Okay, I'm headed for bed. Have a nice night everyone. ![]() *My avatar is how I feel right now to some people who I won't name.* |
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| doris mendlovitz | Jan 14 2009, 04:47 AM Post #144 |
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This has been a great site perhaps one day we can all meet for a pot luck type of convention and might see each others as more than words on a computer screen love doris. |
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| Jacaranda | Jan 14 2009, 04:47 AM Post #145 |
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Andy, just read your message above, same to you. I hope you understand that I really like you, otherwise I wouldn't have stayed around here as long as I have, that's why I was so hurt earlier. It's ok now people, so don't anyone get your knickers in a twist. Andy, just understand that if I'm upset, like everyone else I'm very surprised. |
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| kink | Jan 14 2009, 04:51 AM Post #146 |
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Me too. I'm having a quick look to see if I find something I want to save. I have a few great memories, like a thread I had started for Jayne back in '06. We met that summer in Rhodes and had a great time. She was the first boardie I met in real life. I am working on saving it right now There are many similar threads/posts I'd like to keep.
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| Dorfliedot | Jan 14 2009, 04:54 AM Post #147 |
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We all love Andy. It just he doesn't know it. |
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| JeffLynnesBeard | Jan 14 2009, 04:58 AM Post #148 |
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I understand, Lisa, and know that there are a lot of high-emotions and profound feelings flying around tonight. Despite what people have said about my selfishness and not thinking about the members, I think that an enforced fresh start will mean a better posting life for a lot of people. There are quite a few people who wouldn't naturally be drawn to each other who are bumping into each other, causing friction daily, purely because they met here by chance and each considers the place equally theirs. While I'm not pretending that I'm doing anyone a favour here, I think that some people could do with a bit of a change to their online life and that avoiding the people who wind them up will actually make their lives just that little bit better. As for me, there are some people I really want to keep in touch with. There are others I'll merely be happy to bump into from time to time. In reality, though, I'm not expecting to emerge the other side of this with many people left who actually want to still know me and, you know, it doesn't actually bother me that much. I think people know what I'm like by now and if they still want to keep in touch then I'll be more than happy to do so in one way or another. |
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| temptresss | Jan 14 2009, 04:59 AM Post #149 |
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i guess we're all a little shocked and surprised as it seemed to come out of nowhere. just last week we were doing the Awards and now...well...this just seemed out of the blue. so, maybe we try to find a reason for why. coz we didn't see it coming. glad it's not a personal thing between anyone and just how andy is feeling. think of the good that came of it, though. i might not have been much of a part of it but loved reading and seeing pix in the liverpool thread and learning about everyone here. i came here as i had just left a board that was getting pretty intense and i liked the lightheartedness of it here but i see the intensity eventually happens to anyone that chooses to become involved. we all have our lives to live. if another board is borne, great, if not, well it was great while it lasted. and i am def. turning out the lights in my part of the world. nighters. |
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| Dorfliedot | Jan 14 2009, 05:07 AM Post #150 |
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I don't know what to do to change anyones minds. However, I feel there no need to give up on the board. Yeah, people leave. However, they always come back too. |
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| Bill | Jan 14 2009, 05:35 AM Post #151 |
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Andy, a couple of points, I wasn't aware that the membership had to ensure that everything went according to your original vision. For whatever part I played in not living up to your expectations, I apologise. As for things going in a different direction under different boards staff, I'm sorry, but Duh! You can't expect someone to come into a job and do things exactly as you would. To respond to that with a scorched-earth policy is disappointing to say the least. Now this whole disagreement between Andy and Lisa HAS been blown out of all proportion. I think bringing it out into the open was a bad call, but then I've made a few bad calls in my time too - others can decide what they are. But since it is all out in the open, it should be said that all staff members had equal votes in board policy. Administrators did not have casting votes. I have disagreed with calls you made and with calls Lisa made and in every case, I supported the majority decision, as per the original agreement, and never said anything about it again. And I will still keep that confidence and always will. And when I'd had a gutful of the job, I just left. I didn't want a send off, and thank you for respecting that wish. The point is that it's one thing to have had enough of the drama but it's something else to respond to it with a drama that trumps all the others. Also, I am not going to presume to know what is best for everyone else. The suggestion that an enforced change would be good for a lot of people here is incredibly condescending. It's okay for you because you get to make the decision and you have the power to make the decision. But I'll say again that you're not the only one who has invested a lot of yourself in this forum and none of us are getting a say in it. Sure, anyone else can make another forum. But I know that if I did, there are a sh*tload of people who wouldn't join. And that's mainly because of things I had to do as a moderator here - a job I only ever did because I was ASKED to, not because I ever had any desire to. So in reality, it's not quite as simple as everyone else just starting again at a new address. |
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| Bill | Jan 14 2009, 05:43 AM Post #152 |
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Now that's a good idea. Everyone who is interested in restarting Strawberry Fields can nominate and we'll make a poll. I'd be happy to help out with the technical side but I won't be getting involved in policy. SF Radio can carry on if anyone cares. |
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| beatlechick | Jan 14 2009, 07:26 AM Post #153 |
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Michelle, I completely understand what you are saying. We do have a community here, sort of a family to me. So many people here helped me get through my mom's lengthy illness and her death. Hard to say goodbye to this. Dani, I know in time we will have positive thoughts on what is transpiring. Just now there is a good deal of sadness. I have had the pleasure of being able to meet with a few of us here. Those memories I will treasure. Hopefully we will all meet up again, either in person or on the internet. Andy, I know this was a hard decision for you to come to. It's hard for us to read. I can beg for this not to happen but I won't. No matter how hard it is for me/us to take it is what it is. I just hope that we will not lose contact. I wish to keep you and Fiona in my life and hope to see you, two again.
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| beatlechick | Jan 14 2009, 07:54 AM Post #154 |
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Bill, if anyone decided to start a part Deux, I promise that I would do my utmost to help. Well, okay all I can really do is be a good, no bullsh*t, poster! Oh yeah, and to be f*cking respectful, too! I hope someone that has the fortitude can come up with another forum. Bill, I would be on your forum but you don't want to do that and I can respect that.
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| Bill | Jan 14 2009, 08:08 AM Post #155 |
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While there's still the chance, I want to pay tribute to someone who has been a rock to this community and that's Clare. Andy wasn't exaggerating when he said that the staff here have received a lot of abuse for their work and few more so than Clare. She has never received the respect she deserves. The truth is that Clare knows more about hardship and personal challenges than 90% of people here. That may surprise a few people because Clare never spread her personal issues all over the board. And that's not to say that others shouldn't, it's just that Clare has chosen not to. You don't know what I know, and you won't know what I know unless Clare chooses to tell you. But still, she has always remained a responsible mod and done everything she could to make this a fun place to be. For her troubles, she has put up with appalling abuse and an indefensible lack of respect. She too has lost friends from doing what was right. Don't be fooled by her take-no-shit demeanour, some of that stuff really hurt her. But she never made a big drama about it, she just sucked it all up and kept doing her best. I know that right now, Clare is facing another challenge which is leaving her emotionally drained and she only has internet access at weekends. She's going to log in on Saturday for a bit of light relief and find all this. I supposed I'd better send her a text forewarning her. I'd really rather not have to. Edited by Bill, Jan 14 2009, 08:59 AM.
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| Emilee | Jan 14 2009, 08:13 AM Post #156 |
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Oh deary mizzle. It's kind of sad that all this is coming to an end but I support your decisions and reasonings behind it, Andy. I first came to this board when I was 15, and now, being nearly 18 I feel like I've grown up alot with this place. I've always admired you Andy, and this board has led to alot of wonderful friendships so I can't begrudge it all coming to an end. The internet is so vast and people will keep in touch. I'd still love to meet you and Fiona someday, aswell as some of the lovely people I've come to know over the past two and a bit years. xo |
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| LadyMacca | Jan 14 2009, 09:36 AM Post #157 |
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I can't help but be rather disappointed myself, I'm mostly deeply saddened. For once, I belonged to a place where everybody had the same big interest as I did, The Beatles. I finally found a group of people that I could share my innocent obsession with. I didn't care what age they were, what skin color they had, their sexual orientation or any of that, we all loved The Beatles. I'm finding myself freaking out over the closure over this forum. Where am I going to keep in touch with those that don't have a Facebook or a Myspace? I know there is always emails, an possibly a phone call or two.. but I'm not ready to close the doors. I enjoyed my time here. I loved being able to share things in my life with you. Whether it be about my dog, my fish, Christmas pictures, my photography, my grandma, brothers, just life in general, I enjoyed sharing every moment of it all with you. I know I haven't been around the past few months, and I'm sorry for that. But I'm not sorry that I didn't come here. Like so many, this is the first place I came to as soon as I rolled out of bed. I've met so many wonderful people, that I'd hate to loose contact with the majority of them. Hell, I even met the sister than I never had and I can't be more blessed than I am now. You know who you are. There have been a few who I've had some difference's with and I apologize for being difficult. But that's life, can't get along with everybody now can we? Andy & Fiona, I'm thankful that you made this place for me to share my interest's and such in The Beatles all while being able to make new friends. It's not an easy task to do. I've never had somebody who liked The Beatles or Paul McCartney as much as I do and this place was it. Sure I've got my close friends who like them, but that's just two or three people. This place had HUNDREDS of people! So it was great to feel apart of and belong to apart of such an amazing group of people who shared the same interests as I. Thank you. I hope that we can stay in touch Andy, and I'm sorry for being difficult at various times. I'm going to place my contact information in my signature, for those who don't' wish to loose contact with me.
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| LadyMacca | Jan 14 2009, 09:46 AM Post #158 |
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| Bill | Jan 14 2009, 10:35 AM Post #159 |
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Message from Clare: When the president of a country decided he doesn't want to be president any more, he doesn't shut down the country. |
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| temptresss | Jan 14 2009, 10:51 AM Post #160 |
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Strawberry Fields is NOT forever... |
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| LadyMacca | Jan 14 2009, 10:57 AM Post #161 |
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It saddens me when people say that "Strawberry Fields is not forever" .. that's like dissing the song.
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| DCBeatle64 | Jan 14 2009, 11:31 AM Post #162 |
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I know that, thats why I think its good to have people to actually say this. I'm not that sad because I had already ensured the people I would like to keep in touch with I have some form of contact... This is kind of like when you all leave school or anywhere you have spent a period of your life with the same people. you all move on with memories, good bad or both and there is no reason why this cant be the same. Did anyone think the board would last as long as it did? Its done well and created laughs, happiness, sadness, anger and allowed people to meet.... The Liverpool Meetup was brilliant and it was because of here. Now I'm gonna go have a nice day in the real world, get some fresh air. Hope everyone else can have or are having a nice day too. |
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| SuperBet | Jan 14 2009, 12:08 PM Post #163 |
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| Monkey Chow | Jan 14 2009, 12:32 PM Post #164 |
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| Kit_Kat | Jan 14 2009, 01:04 PM Post #165 |
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| fab4fan | Jan 14 2009, 01:45 PM Post #166 |
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Must be nice! Fresh air here today is another 5 inches of snow with wind chills 30 below zero. Tomorrow will be much nicer with a high temperature of minus 2 degrees. (If this seems like a completely inane post I'm on a mission to get to 2000 posts before the board shuts down. )
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| Colin | Jan 14 2009, 02:00 PM Post #167 |
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Andy, although I don't agree with you to close Strawberry Fields down, I fully support your decision. Even though I've been on Facebook a few months now, I'm still fairly new to Facebook so wasn't a party to what went on earlier, but now I can say I've seen the light, all the augments, accusations and insults with one or two aimed at you and Nat, I'm not going to name names because that just causes more augments but it was pretty sad the way things went, so I wish you luck on what you do in the future. Best of luck mate
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| maccascruff | Jan 14 2009, 02:15 PM Post #168 |
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I am in favor of doing another board. I would be glad to help. Now I have to find the thread about my friend Carol this weekend and save every post. I really think Andy should just step down and let the board continue. Too many people will lose touch if this place closes. |
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| iscreamer1 | Jan 14 2009, 02:19 PM Post #169 |
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The old Irene would do the PC thing and say "Andy, I'm sorry you feel this way but I understand" the new Irene isn't going to do that. I agree with Bill. If you're tired of all the problems then just bow out. You've left before and come back and maybe you need to do that now. We are all humans and any time you get a large group of people together there is going to be this type of interaction, some good, some great, some bad, some terrible. It's how you choose to react to it that makes it what it is. The vast majority of this forum are great people that are happy to carry on as things are. Why don't you put it to a vote? Let's be democratic here. Andy, there is another way and I think other options should be explored before you take such a drastic step. Everyone is free to come and go as they please, no one is being held captive. If the problems of the board were bothering that many people that much they wouldn't come here. But they do! And they love it! I'm not going to beg but I am going to ask that you give this some more thought. You are punishing the whole group for a few bad apples. No one liked that in school and no one likes it now. |
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| maccascruff | Jan 14 2009, 02:20 PM Post #170 |
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| ohnotjimagain | Jan 14 2009, 02:26 PM Post #171 |
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I shall be very sorry to see this site close. Like many other people here, I've met and made friends from here. I agree with Irene that Andy should just step aside and let the board continue as when Andy stepped down before. I do agree that this site has lost it's way recently. Talk about The Beatles is very minimal, while pointless threads in You Can Talk To Me are ample! I do hope this continues. |
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| ohnotjimagain | Jan 14 2009, 02:28 PM Post #172 |
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I agree with you Colin. I saw those messages on Facebook. What started out as Tony saying he was leaving this site got hijacked by people with a grudge against this forum and certain people in it. |
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| Kit_Kat | Jan 14 2009, 02:31 PM Post #173 |
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| BeatleBarb | Jan 14 2009, 02:31 PM Post #174 |
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| JeffLynnesBeard | Jan 14 2009, 02:59 PM Post #177 |
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| JeffLynnesBeard | Jan 14 2009, 03:16 PM Post #178 |
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If people can't understand that, so long as this place exists, I will always feel a certain amount of ownership and responsibility for it, then there is nothing more than I can say. I feel as if certain phrases I have used have been grasped upon and focused on unnecessarily. It is, of course, my fault that I have decided to stick around and explain myself. I should have just posted my opening statement and left it at that. I have been called cold hearted, selfish, condescending, been told that I'm on an ego trip and there have even been comments on facebook that I am losing my mind. I can assure you that I'm perfectly sane. As sane as anyone else who posts at a message board, anyway. I do, however, appreciate the people who have understood where I am coming from and respected this decision. |
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| pood for paul | Jan 14 2009, 03:25 PM Post #179 |
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For the reasons listed above, in the 3rd paragraph, I can certainly understand Andy shutting SF down. To those that are reacting so strongly to his announcement-grow up, this is not the end of the world. Life will go on, I promise.... |
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| Rose | Jan 14 2009, 03:26 PM Post #180 |
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*Heavy Sigh* Irene...Bill...You have said what I feel, too. Thank You. Andy. I know I have sent you a PM...I can only imagine the PMs you received since this annoucement. You know how I feel about you. But I have to say how I feel about this. It's not right, Andy. It's not. You are like the little kid who is taking his ball and going home. "I don't wanna play anymore...so you can't either". There is no good reason to MURDER Strawberry Fields. I can empathize with all the bullsh*t you have had to deal with...and I suppose that is part of the burden of running a place like this. But if there is someone willing to take over...you shouldn't act like a selfish child and say "NO!!! MINE!!!!". Share, Andy...share. I adore you, Andy. I think I have made that abundantly clear. And losing touch with you is part of the sharp edge of the knife that is now piercing my heart. But I feel betrayed here. This is a place with so many memories...3 years of history...MY history...and you want to destroy it. You mentioned something about if you left it with someone else...you would still want to be a part of it. I'm not sure why that is a bad thing? Go if you must...but don't take SF with you. Don't. This isn't a good way of handling this. I'm sorry. It's bullsh*t. And while its true that if there were a SF 2, I would probably go...but you have to remember the reason I joined this forum in the first place was because of YOU. Just anyone making a forum isn't good enough....you have to want to hang out with them. And I so wish that you wouldn't let the drama queens, the assholes, the liars and the people who just like to complain...get to you. Easy for me to say, I'm sure. But I never understood why people get so involved with the drama. Why people get all huffy and say "I'm leaving the board" over someone that doesn't really matter to them in reality. Why people whine and complain to Mods...about bullsh*t issues...and why they don't just deal with things themselves. But I suppose, that is internet life (or no life, as it were) I digress. Andy. Don't do this. Please. Go if you have to...but don't make us all leave. I don't want to go, it's not fair. It's not right... p.s. If there is anything I can say or do...to help this forum...or another. Please let me know. |
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| Merry | Jan 14 2009, 03:40 PM Post #181 |
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Great post, Rose, I agree with you wholeheartedly! The reason I came to this forum in the first place was because of Andy. He knows what was happening elsewhere (I won't go into that now, and it's over, thank heaven!) and was big-hearted enough to create SF as a alternative to the stifling atmosphere at the other place. For that I will be forever grateful, and of course I love Andy for all the kindness he has shown me. Sorry, if that sounds like I'm playing favorites, I guess that I am. He has always been a wonderful person, wise beyond his years (most of the time ) and VERY intelligent, I admire him a great deal. That's why I find it so hard to accept that he is willing to just rip this community apart because of the actions of other people and how it has affected him.I know what it's like to be involved in lies and controversy, but rather than withdraw entirely forever, I chose to stay away. I wish that Andy would turn away if he feels it is too uncomfortable. I don't want to see him 'disappear' from us altogether, he means too much to me for that to happen. Again, I'm hoping that over the next couple of weeks he will think things over and change his mind. We are a group of people who gathered here, first because we think so highly of Andy, and secondly because we all share a love and admiration for The Beatles. It's very hard to find a gathering of such wonderful people anywhere else. We've been like a family! Merry
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| BlueMolly2009 | Jan 14 2009, 03:50 PM Post #182 |
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Andy has spoken and it seems he doesn't give a toss how we feel. He wants to take this place away when he could easily give it to someone who would keep it going. I still like Andy a lot, but Andy, you ARE making enemies out of your friends. People are turning on you for your decision. And Colin, don't tell me or anyone else to "grow up." I love what Claire said about the President and shutting down the country. This is what it's like. Andy is the President and just taking the country away from it's citizens. Andy, be careful or you won't have any friends left. And this is coming from the heart of someone who truly cares about you. I don't want to see that happen.
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| Bill | Jan 14 2009, 03:52 PM Post #183 |
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Very nicely said Rose. Andy, I'm sorry if you have taken offence at anything I've said. You know I wouldn't be a friend to you if I wasn't honest about things. Remember your real friends are the ones who will pull you aside and say, "Don't be a dick about this." You know I support your need for a break. I gave you your space last time too. But tearing down something that so many people love just because your heart isn't in it any more is wrong. It's an insult to the emotional investment that hundreds of others have made in this community. It's like burning the house down because the roof is leaking and then telling everyone it's for their own good. The community will continue one way or another. The question is whether you want to be the guy who brought us all together or the one who kicked everyone out? It's heartening to see so many people putting their hand up to help with a relocation. Mind you, it has to be said that if such volunteer spirit had been more in evidence over the last six months, it may never have come to this. |
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| Mark Stephen Baker | Jan 14 2009, 03:57 PM Post #184 |
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To be honest with this discussion, everyone is right. Therefore there is no right or wrong here which makes it very difficult, especially if you're like me and always want to be right. I was very upset to get home from work today and find all this but I still like everyone who likes me and you won't get me down fron sitting on this uncomfortable fence. |
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| BlueMolly2009 | Jan 14 2009, 04:04 PM Post #185 |
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| temptresss | Jan 14 2009, 05:11 PM Post #186 |
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is anyone not hearing andy? he has left before and couldn't help but to come back. maybe he wants to end this so that the temptation isn't there. maybe he would eventually join a new forum that he knows is not his and he has no part in other than to just be a regular member and be himself. this was his lil baby and he wants it over and done with. i don't believe there is anything anyone can say that would change his feelings and take away the temptation of coming here time and again to 'check on it' just to see how HIS forum is going. none of us likes it but that's the fact. this kinda reminds me of the iraq war...coming in to make a new government. the thing is, we need a new land to make it work. all things are possible. |
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| Kit_Kat | Jan 14 2009, 05:16 PM Post #187 |
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| Mark Stephen Baker | Jan 14 2009, 05:17 PM Post #188 |
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| DCBeatle64 | Jan 14 2009, 05:18 PM Post #189 |
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Exactly. As you have said to me before its the people who post that make the board and this last year its not been enjoyable for large parts of it. Now its closing people are taking more interest In regards to the facebook thing, that got nasty because I had to suffer reading this from people I am not even friends with on that thing. In fact a mod from here decided to bring a disagreement from here into facebook, which says a lot. There are certainly a few people I will be glad to see the back off... Are people not fed up with having to read or scroll through rubbish just to get to the good puts. I think if Andy had have said this time last year I would have been disappointed, this year, I'm just amazed its still going, I'm really not trying to be a b*tch about this but when a messageboard starts to affect someones day to day life. It aint good... and more importantly this apparently according to popular demand from my last thread a while back is meant to still be a Beatles forum, yet where do we really discuss The Beatles or Paul, It has lost the objective it set out to achieve and thats partly down to us as well |
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I hear Andy loud and clear. Doesn't mean I don't have an opinion. Doesn't mean that I can't say If you want to leave...then GO. Just don't force all of us to go with you. I don't agree with how this is being handled...and as a member of this forum, I figure I have a right to say so. |
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| temptresss | Jan 14 2009, 05:26 PM Post #191 |
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I'm good at blocking out unpleasant people. I don't understand why so many people get worked up over such trivial bullsh*t. And let's face it, the drama is all bullsh*t. Self inflicted (for the most part) bullsh*t, I might add. How hard is it to ignore, block, mute, delete someone who you find irritating? Instead of p*ssing and moaning and crying 'woe is me' to the mods. No matter where you go...here, there, or everywhere...you will find assholes who want attention...who lie...who don't have anything better to do with their time then to scheme and try to make someone elses life hell. But you know what? That's just not online. That's f*cking life. And on a side note, a part of me wants to apologize for my vulgar words...but its only a small part of me. Edited by Rose, Jan 14 2009, 05:38 PM.
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I am sorry to hear this but completely respect Andy's decision. I think I understand where he is coming from too. I met Matt through PM.com and Dani, Andy & Fiona through this board. Dani and I have actually become quite close as we are attending a number of events this year together and for that and all the above I am grateful. I hope everyone respects Any's decision, he has made it clear that it is final final decision. Thank you Andy and all the mods...only sad I won't see all of Andy's reviews as I have some Fopp vouchers to spend!
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| Colin | Jan 14 2009, 07:27 PM Post #198 |
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| A day in the life | Jan 14 2009, 07:59 PM Post #199 |
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This morning when I saw this thread, I was very sorry to read the news. But will say though with things coming to light, I can understand Andy's feelings. Running a forum or moderating is tough- there is so much to do, in my experience it can be, for want of a better word, one big mindf*ck. I had recently decided to come back to post, and honestly, one of the reasons I left was a bad vibe or undercurrant I was feeling about certain things that had just kind of build up. Now I think if someone wants to create a new forum, fresh slate and all that, they should do it. I'll hope to stay in touch with a couple of people, who are actually people. |
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