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Lissa (mozart8mytoe); The "mystery"
Topic Started: Jan 14 2009, 02:15 AM (6,140 Views)
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Jan 29 2009, 06:38 AM
also, how did you get mia's blog address?
A friend shared it with me. Why do you ask?
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if none of that is anyone's business, why do you read her blog?
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ROFLMAOOOOOOOO @ "suddenly mysterious andy".... but that IS true and no one should have prodded him for more than what he was willing to reveal. perhaps he's a distant relative of dave's. :giggle:

this is totally off topic, but sometimes i read peter's and dotty's messages when they've been drinking and i'd just LOVE to see the two of them go out and have a beer together. thing is, they'd probably understand each other.
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It's a 'blog, not a private diary. 'Blogs are public. Why shouldn't I read it?

You're making a false comparison. Whatever people choose to make public is their own choice. Whatever people choose not to make public should not be speculated upon. It's really not such an abstract idea. If you want to read her 'blog too, then go ahead. But don't go asking me to theorise about people's lives because I don't do that.

By the way, what are you wearing? :P B)
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glad you asked, i'm starkers, young & thin and i do things men wouldn't even dare to ask! LMAOOOOOOOOO. ok, ya got me there.

however...SINCE blogs ARE public...could you please list the link to mia's blog. i'm nosey, ok?
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Jan 29 2009, 06:38 AM
It's not for me to have any theories about where Mia is. It's none of my business and, with all due respect, it's none of yours either. My guess about where she is, what she's doing, wearing, eating or think about is no better than my guess about about Judy, Doris, John, or the suddenly mysterious Andy.

However, I know enough about irony to know from her latest posts that Mia is definitely laughing.
I know you do not care what others think or feel about this matter, but it would be very easy for someone to assume that you not only do care about this matter, but that you may also know a bit more than you are telling, like where the blog and songs came from. I understand that someone has to defend the side of Reverend Dave/Mia Culpa and Lissa by claiming that she really existed and that there is no reason why anyone should care about her now that she is dead as opposed to when she posted here and made everyone feel like they were her good friends, but aren't you the one that defends the proposition that one can be just as good a friend online as they can be in real life? What if everything you knew about your online friend were a lie? How good of a friend can one be if you have to question whether or not they really existed? This is where actually speaking by phone or meeting someone in person can really clarify a lot of things and make the friendship 'real' for me.
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i'm not so sure lissa was personally THAT chummy with anyone here. she was just a breath of fresh air that didn't mind speaking her mind and quite eloquently.
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All due respect Lee, but you weren't around when Lissa was. You have only become aware of her since this issue was raised and therefore, you view all of it through a prism of suspicion.

In all candour, yes, I do know more than I'm letting on. I know more about quite a few members that I never let on. That's because I know how to mind my own business and when someone confides in me, I keep their confidence. Just as I have kept yours - remember? ;)

I know this is a very interesting intellectual exercise for you, but it involves real people. My first concern is for the people involved. Others with a passing interest come a very distant third.
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You and Lissa are two deffernt people. I Would not tell others about you what I know, However, I know something. That has to count to something.

However, who ever said I am a great stories teller. My life was never a story. It was the truth. Unbelievably. Some one call me a fake I will be first to represent me.
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Another thing. Mia and Lissa said the same words too.
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dang, then i guess the whole thing is to not be nosey and everything will come to you eventually.

btw, is lapis really a woman? (his confidence to you)

i knew you had to know more than you were letting on because you have been so defensive throughout this.

i know nothing about anyone here and that's probably best.
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Jan 29 2009, 06:55 AM
"I know this is a very interesting intellectual exercise for you, but it involves real people. My first concern is for the people involved. Others with a passing interest come a very distant third."


who's second?
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Dear fellow boardies,
I like many of you was devastated when Andy posted of Lissa's passing. When we were filled in on the details by Rev Dave it was a case of I wouldn't believed it if I hadn't lived it.
I had a "memorial" signature for a while. I bought the penguin ornaments for our Christmas tree.

I've never been able to wrap my head around the depth of the deception that the "iceberg" here has alleged.

I've spent hours searching the internet for some info on our friend. I have not, and never will, ask Rev Dave to betray his confidence with Lissa, her sister Megan and her Dad. Megan was aware of Lissa's connection here, was kind enough to thank us for our condolences by way of a post from Adilah and then she moved on with her life, with what I imagine is one huge gapping hole in her heart.
The same clues are there for all of us. Get a program from Queen Beatrix jubillee, from the King of Thailand's 60th anniverary of the ascension to his Throne, December 2006 Mozart 250th birthday celebrations in Vienna and Salzburg. I'm sure Lissa's name is in one of those programs. Call the consulates of the Netherlands or Thailand and see who was given honorary awards at those ceremonies. Look up Lissa's and Adilah's posts about when Adilah's sister came to New York for heart surgery. Call up the doctor and see if he'll give up any info. (doubtful with HIPAA regulations.) We know she went to the "Fame" high school and to Juilliard. They have alumni associations. Call over there and tell them you know a classical pianist by way of a Beatles internet board. See if someone will spill the beans. Call her mentor at Juilliard, Martha Argerich.

Rev Dave's obituary of Lissa is so very thorough because they went out for dinner and Dave was there talking to her family as she died. I met Chad from this board for dinner one night. Dinner lasted 7 hours. (we both commented how that was the longest we talked with someone we had no interest in laying EVER - what can I say, we're both shallow guys.) If I could type as well as Rev Dave and had his vocabulary I could put together a hell of an obit for Chad. (God Forbid!)

The bottom line is Lissa valued her privacy and all her friends respected that. How do I know? Read the memorial page on her website, the "supposed" one, the one that has said "under new management" since the day it was revealed to us, the one with the fake counter. On that page you will read the testimonials of her "real" friends, teachers (CLUE CLUE CLUE) and family. If you can read that and still believe Lissa is/was fake, Rev Dave was right, it won't matter what anybody says, the pack mentality wins out and most likely our little community not only has lost Lissa, but Mia, and Adilah & Padre. And we are worse for it. Even though their posts were infrequent they had one main thing in common with Lissa - if their name was listed as Last post by: odds were that you would click it to see what they had to say!

As usual the best comment on this thread was by my buddy Bill. We all noticed how similar Mia's posts seemed to Lissa's. How sad it is to think that there is only one woman in the world who could be sharp as a tack, scathing sometimes, hilarious at other times. Perhaps my wife doesn't exist, maybe her name is Mia or Lissa and not Pella.

I hope this makes sense. It's late here in Chicago as I post this. If it seems like I'm the cat who has swallowed the canary look above to the (CLUE CLUE CLUE.) How would I know which one of her friends on the memorial page of her website was a teacher? I choose to respect Lissa's privacy. But I know all of your need to know. Happy hunting, and when you find it DO THE RIGHT THING!
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Maybe, I am lair about a man body being pulled out yuba river..?

http://www.appeal-democrat.com/news/body_73662___article.html/yuba_river.html
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what is the memorial's site address? i'm not doing any 'homework' as was suggested. i would just like to view the public memorial site. thanks.
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another thing, perhaps it is easier for the few people that might know more than the rest of us because they have the answers others who have cared for lissa in their own way do not have.
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http://www.angelfire.com/la3/mozart8mytoe/memorial.html
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Jan 29 2009, 07:19 AM
what is the memorial's site address? i'm not doing any 'homework' as was suggested. i would just like to view the public memorial site. thanks.
You don't know how to use Google? :blink:
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You know what was funny I was ask , once to provide that homeless, people died in ellas lake. Guess, whatt I sure did. Another board ask me that. I can up with the iformation and the url
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Jan 29 2009, 06:55 AM
All due respect Lee, but you weren't around when Lissa was. You have only become aware of her since this issue was raised and therefore, you view all of it through a prism of suspicion.

In all candour, yes, I do know more than I'm letting on. I know more about quite a few members that I never let on. That's because I know how to mind my own business and when someone confides in me, I keep their confidence. Just as I have kept yours - remember? ;)

I know this is a very interesting intellectual exercise for you, but it involves real people. My first concern is for the people involved. Others with a passing interest come a very distant third.
I never knew Lissa at all, but I find her story to be incredibly moving, particularly in the way Reverend Dave presented it in the hours following her tragic death. I am thinking more along the lines of great material for a book or screenplay than poor Reverend Dave and his close internet friend of five months. As far as Mia Culpa goes, I have no idea how she fits into this puzzle, but personally I really like her a lot and it doesn't matter to me if she is sarcastic and enigmatic. In fact, I don't even care if she is real or fictional until her obituary is posted here and causes hundreds of posts to be written about her. I liked Reverend Dave from the very first post of his that I read, but his story does not add up. He should just say:

"I knew Lissa for five months and that was long enough to know that she did not want anyone but her family and closest friends, like me, to know anything about her real identity, which is why her friends and family have all posted public memorials containing personal stories about her on her memorial website."
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what would i search for, bill? "lissa's memorial site"? "mia's blog"? c'mon now.

thanks for the link, fab4fan.

one last thought, coz i'm heading off to bed, there were people here that felt a warmth and closeness to lissa. her loss to them was very real. they don't have some of the answers the more fortunate ones do. it would have really helped with their closure.
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Jan 29 2009, 07:31 AM
what would i search for, bill? "lissa's memorial site"? "mia's blog"? c'mon now.
Do I have to do everyone's thinking for them? :frustrated:

http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=mozart8mytoe&btnG=Google+Search&meta=
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Jan 29 2009, 07:30 AM
I never knew Lissa at all, but I find her story to be incredibly moving, particularly in the way Reverend Dave presented it in the hours following her tragic death. I am thinking more along the lines of great material for a book or screenplay than poor Reverend Dave and his close internet friend of five months. As far as Mia Culpa goes, I have no idea how she fits into this puzzle, but personally I really like her a lot and it doesn't matter to me if she is sarcastic and enigmatic. In fact, I don't even care if she is real or fictional until her obituary is posted here and causes hundreds of posts to be written about her. I liked Reverend Dave from the very first post of his that I read, but his story does not add up. He should just say:

"I knew Lissa for five months and that was long enough to know that she did not want anyone but her family and closest friends, like me, to know anything about her real identity, which is why her friends and family have all posted public memorials containing personal stories about her on her memorial website."
In what way has he not said that?

How would you like it if I showed up at the Sean forum and demanded explanations from long-term members and, as if that wasn't enough, attempted to dictate the terms under which they could deliver such explanations? Would that be fair?

As I said much earlier, if I had been subjected the the accusations that have been thrown at Dave, my reaction would be to tell everyone to go f*ck themselves. And as I predicted, Dave had far more class than that. But he's right. No matter what he says now, people are going to find a way to spin it into justification of their assumptions.
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i appreciate you thinking for me coz it's really hard for me. my brain is lazy and i have little intelligence.
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Sorry, but if it means so much to you, then it's worth making a bit of an effort rather than just demanding that others present you with all the answers. :peace:
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one last thought, coz i'm heading off to bed, there were people here that felt a warmth and closeness to lissa. her loss to them was very real. they don't have some of the answers the more fortunate ones do. it would have really helped with their closure.
Nancy,

I'm one of those who felt a warmth and closeness to Lissa. 20/20 hindsight has made me realize that the few times I got to "chat" with her was probably after she performed and came on here to unwind. Many a night I stayed up way past my bedtime to be schooled by someone half my age. I always found it weird that she was up till 3 or 4 in the morn posting on here. I understand what you're saying about closure because I want it too. But that is an incredibly selfish want. Like I said, if you read the memorials, if you listen to Rev dave, the last thing her sister or Dad need after a year and a half is any of us intruding in their lives. Megan is getting married, the dad is still on pace to adopt the little Chinese girl.

Let it be! (not you personally, all of us. Have we not caused enough harm already..Padre, Adilah?)

John

ps Lee, may I suggest Andy as the screenwriter. Academy Award material, no doubt.
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I never knew Lissa at all, but I find her story to be incredibly moving, particularly in the way Reverend Dave presented it in the hours following her tragic death. I am thinking more along the lines of great material for a book or screenplay than poor Reverend Dave and his close internet friend of five months. As far as Mia Culpa goes, I have no idea how she fits into this puzzle, but personally I really like her a lot and it doesn't matter to me if she is sarcastic and enigmatic. In fact, I don't even care if she is real or fictional until her obituary is posted here and causes hundreds of posts to be written about her. I liked Reverend Dave from the very first post of his that I read, but his story does not add up. He should just say:

"I knew Lissa for five months and that was long enough to know that she did not want anyone but her family and closest friends, like me, to know anything about her real identity, which is why her friends and family have all posted public memorials containing personal stories about her on her memorial website."
In what way has he not said that?

How would you like it if I showed up at the Sean forum and demanded explanations from long-term members and, as if that wasn't enough, attempted to dictate the terms under which they could deliver such explanations? Would that be fair?

As I said much earlier, if I had been subjected the the accusations that have been thrown at Dave, my reaction would be to tell everyone to go f*ck themselves. And as I predicted, Dave had far more class than that. But he's right. No matter what he says now, people are going to find a way to spin it into justification of their assumptions.
The quote was meant to be sarcastic. Nothing personal, but you are kind of an *ss, like me, compared to Reverend Dave. Dave is probably an actual Reverend and should understand how to deal with people a little better than he did. Anyway, I am out before Gaye gags me with a ball and whips me into a froth of ecstacy. Later. :yawn:
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John, with all due respect, I could turn things back to say how can you be 100% certain of things just by what we see on here. You never really know.

People are entitled to not believe just as you are entitled to believe, despite your post making it sound as if the ‘evidence’ out there that you challenge people to go and seek, must be so overwhelming that people must be silly to question anything. It's just hypothetical though. You're sure names come up here and there but you don't know either.

It's not about hate, about trying to breach privacy (when much more private things than an obit have been revealed by the way) or any of the other things that seem to have come up here. It's not about there not being other witty, intelligent- whatever- women out there. Not the point. Of course there are.

Personally I was just questioning things, based on my own observations and then later by some possible coincidences presented on here. (server in Taiwan, anyone?). But if it's wrong it's wrong and I'd be the first to say my bad.
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The President of the Martha Argerich Fan Club replied to my email:

Hi,

Re your guestbook note, that was very sad (and horrible) to read. I don't, myself, know anything about it, but perhaps someone will read your note and contact you. I hope you will find out what you need to know.

- Andrys

I am still waiting for the people at the Martha Argerich Jazz Festival in Lugano, Switzwerland to reply.

Hello,

My name is Lee New and I am a member of an online forum called Strawberry Fields, where a piano student of Ms. Argerich was also a member until her apparent untimely death on August 20, 2007. There has been some controversy concerning this rather mysterious and precocious student of Ms. Argerich and I was wondering if you could clear up some of the confusion. Any help at all would be appreciated. Here is the only information that has been posted about her. The following posts are taken from a 43-page long tribute to Lissa, where dozens of members poured out their hearts and souls praising Lissa for her many fine qualities and accomplishments, all before the age of 25. I can be reached at lapisconnection@gmail.com or by phone at 434-239-xxxx Lynchburg, VA USA

Lissa

It is my very sad duty to tell you all that Lissa, known here as mozart8mytoe, passed away on Monday 20th August, 2007.

Lissa was in China to visit her daughter. On Thursday morning her car collided with a local bus on a small highway in Hunan. Because of recent weather conditions no one noticed the accident until the next bus came through Friday afternoon. Lissa and 4 to 7 bus passengers were evacuated to a trauma facility in Hengyang that evening. Her driver as well as the bus driver and 22 or more passengers were pronounced dead at the scene.

Reverend Dave was able to visit her at the hospital Sunday afternoon. By then she'd been transferred to a more advanced hospital in Chengsha and had multiple surgeries to repair her duodenum and cecum, remove most of her ileum and descending colon and they did a peritoneal lavage. They also had to amputate her right leg just above the knee. When he saw her she was alert and understood her situation. She asked Dave to contact her family and joked that she ''always wanted some symmetry, but this is ridiculous'' (because of her left toe).

Her father and sister were able to visit her on Monday. She passed away Monday night. The official cause of death was peritonitis caused by trauma.

I know that everyone here is probably in shock, I know that I am. Lissa was smart, wickedly funny and it was a real pleasure and privilege to know her. I can't believe I'm using the word 'was' about her. My heart also goes out to her newly adopted daughter who found a mother and then had her taken away. Life is so very cruel.

I'd like to thank Reverend Dave for informing us. He is available to contact for anyone who would like to talk about this or has any questions. You can contact him at harvardbushiban@yahoo.com or by phone on +8869-2418-9505. He will be able to reply to e-mails a lot easier than PMs here.

Of course, if anyone would like to talk to me about this, then they're very welcome, but I don't have any more information than is in the statement above.

With sympathy and condolences to you all,

Andrew Sweeney
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Here is the post from Lissa's friend that mentions Ms. Argerich:

Reverend Dave
Aug 23 2007, 09:22 PM

We all understandably want to know more about Lissa. She gave us little glimpses into her life but rarely let us see much. She was an open book to her closest friends and family, but closely guarded her privacy with the rest of the world. She often said she didn't like interviews. Obviously she liked to talk and share her opinions. It's her privacy she didn't want to lose.

I did some research and from talking to her family and what I already knew I've put together this little obituary. This is not an encyclopedic entry about her life. I've tried to make this personal rather than academic. I hope in some way it helps everyone to better know the amazing person behind the unique user name. Sorry about it being so long. I've edited out as much as I can.

Some of this might be difficult to read, but I think it's important to know about the turmoil in her childhood, not for any voyeuristic reasons, but to show how she overcame all of it with the love and support of her family and friends and made a productive and highly rewarding life for herself. She never saw herself as a victim and never let her past control her future.

Lissa was born September 1, 1981 just outside of Amsterdam, the Netherlands. Her mother was a teacher, mostly of history and economics, and an avid animal rights advocate and vegetarian. Lissa never ate any meat her entire life. She always said that's why she was never sick. Even as a child she never had chicken pox, croup, ear infections, or any other common childhood ailments.

When she was 3 years old an uncle noticed her playing along to a song on the radio on her grandmother's piano. As the family story goes, Lissa picked up the melody immediately and could play it by ear and improvised her own harmony. Lissa herself always maintained that the story was largely exaggerated, but she only had a vague recollection of it.

By the time she was 5 she was performing in youth competitions and music festivals in and around the Netherlands. She was a child prodigy. Her mother suffered from bipolar disorder and they moved around a lot, mostly because her mother couldn't keep a job for very long.

When Lissa was 6 or 7 her mother took them out of the Netherlands and they moved to France. The details of this period are a little sketchy. Her mother may have been deported from the Netherlands and they might have been homeless for a while, but Lissa's mother was a French citizen and was able to get government assistance in France. Regardless of whether they were in complete poverty or merely getting by Lissa was still performing. She was always an excellent student and quickly learned French and easily adapted to French culture.

When Lissa was 8 years old they moved to the United States. Her mother had an American boyfriend who seemed to provide the stability she needed in her life. He was a Jr. High school teacher and coach. Unfortunately, Lissa always hated him and their volatile relationship caused tension between her and her mother. As an act of rebellion Lissa refused to learn any English - besides the few curse words she already knew. In Europe she was always the best student with the highest marks in the class. She was always placed in advanced classes for gifted students. In the U.S. she was almost expelled from one school and placed on academic probation at another.

When she was 10 years old events in her life would drastically change the course of her future. During a music lesson at her teacher's house, Lissa was attacked by the teacher's pet dog. Paramedics had to amputate what was left of her big toe and part of her left foot. Later in life she always had a healthy - or morbid - sense of humor about the event, but at the time it caused a great deal of turmoil in her life, not to mention the obvious pain and difficulties. Her relationship with her mother's boyfriend only got worse. One of Lissa's physical therapists reported witnessing so much open hostility between the two that she quit.

A later physical therapist came to the house and found Lissa on the kitchen floor with bloody clothes. Her mother's boyfriend was already dead. Lissa would not speak to anyone for days and would not speak in English again for months, but the police eventually put all the pieces together. During a verbal fight that turned physical, Lissa stabbed her mother's boyfriend in the neck and chest with a screwdriver until he was dead. Why he couldn't overpower a disabled 10 year old girl is unknown.

The police discovered a large collection of child pornography at the boyfriend's house and office. Most of it involved young boys, but between the ages of 8 and 10 Lissa was forced to participate. Lissa was kept in custody during the investigation but no criminal charges were filed against her. Her mother was never aware of the sexual abuse or her boyfriend's preference for adolescent boys. Learning about all of this, combined with the state taking her daughter away drove her over the edge. The pain this woman must have felt coupled with her bipolar disorder is hard to imagine. While Lissa was in counseling she was told that her mother had committed suicide. Personally I think this was a mistake. You don't tell a child who has completely shut down that her mother's dead. This could have caused her to shut down permanently. Fortunately things were about to improve greatly.

During a routine investigation state officials discovered that Lissa's father was alive and well and completely unaware that Lissa existed. Lissa always knew that her father was an American, but she believed he was disinterested in her. On the contrary, when he was told about her he immediately went to see her. He got custody of her and took her out of the state facility.

It's hard for some of us to imagine Lissa as anything but a New Yorker, but when she first arrived she was completely a fish out of water. She had lived her life in small cities, mostly in Europe. Suddenly she was living in a whole new world. She had always had just her mother, now she had a father and an older sister. She was used to doing without and moving to a new town when there was no more money. They often got by on her income alone. Now she was living in a fancy Manhattan home. Her mother's family was European working class, mostly non-religious or culturally Jewish and largely liberal. Her father's family had been in America since the mid 1600s, were proud Christians and very active in conservative politics. The two sides of her family couldn't have been more different.

She was still going to a court-ordered psychiatrist and seeing a therapist as well as physical therapy, so her father let some of her more eccentric behavior slide, but he had one rule: speak English. This battle of wills lasted a long time. Wisely, he chose to continue her musical education. There was no musical talent to speak of in his family, but he had been told that she could play piano. He took her to a nearby piano teacher expecting her to play Chopsticks or Twinkle Twinkle Little Star. When she sat down at the piano he was amazed. The way he describes it is just like a parent talking about their child walking for the first time or graduating from college. He's not sure what she played, but he called it ''hauntingly beautiful''. This would be the first of many times she'd make her father - former Marine and college football player - cry with music.

As soon as they set her up with an appropriate teacher Lissa went back to piano competitions and festivals, winning awards in and around New York just as she had done in Europe. She was making life in her new home difficult for her father and sister and she was doing poorly in school, but at the piano she was as disciplined and focused as she was rude and intolerable away from it.

Her father was trying to be supportive, but wasn't happy that she would practice in the middle of the night. This was partly because of the insomnia that she had since her mother's death - and would have for the rest of her life - and partly to annoy her family, but it did turn into a bonding situation for Lissa and her sister. Not only would Lissa practice mostly after midnight, but she had a habit of practicing nude. Everyone told her father to ignore it and that Lissa would soon play at normal hours and wear clothes.

Lissa's sister got into the habit of joining her midnight rehearsals, but Lissa would only ignore her or kick her off the piano bench if she tried to sit down. Though Lissa was always smaller, her sister admits that she was a little afraid of Lissa for a few years. One night Lissa's sister joined her as usual, but this time she came out also nude. For the first time Lissa let her sit at the piano with her while she played. These naked midnight rehearsals were the catalyst for Lissa to let her sister into her life. Their father was pleased that things were going well, but really wished it could all happen with clothes on. It took time, but eventually Lissa and her sister became very close. Once she allowed her sister into her heart it didn't take long to let in her father as well. Some of her mother's family blamed Lissa for her mother's death and never forgave her, but her father's family always welcomed her with open arms.

When she was 13 Lissa auditioned for the New York High School of Performing Arts, the Fame school - ''without the spontaneous, yet choreographed dance numbers in the halls''. By this time she was speaking English well and was again the excellent student she had once been. She also made her first trip to Europe since leaving, playing festivals and competitions in Paris and Amsterdam. While in France she visited her mother's grave for the first time. Since then she would make the trip at least once a year for the rest of her life.

When she was 15 her father suffered a massive heart attack. During his recuperation she convinced him to go vegetarian. She'd already converted her sister and it was only a matter of time before she got to her father. The heart attack just made it easier. She never let any meat in the house anyway and her father always had to sneak it in, but with the help of her sister, a nutritionist and his doctor - who wasn't even a vegetarian - she made him promise never to eat meat again.

When she was a junior in High School, Lissa was invited to audition at Juilliard. She wanted to study and live in Amsterdam. It was always her plan to live with her family in New York temporarily and then move permanently to Amsterdam when she went to college. Her family wanted her to stay in New York. Eventually they reached a compromise where she bought a house in Amsterdam and stayed there whenever she went to Europe, but lived mostly in New York.

At Juilliard she met pianist Martha Argerich, who became her mentor and lifelong friend. At the same time Lissa's sister was beginning her career as an artist. Though Lissa had a strong aversion to being photographed she never hesitated posing for her sister's paintings. Her sister says Lissa was instrumental in helping her get off the ground. Lissa always encouraged her to paint and coerced a gallery owner to host her sister's first exhibit, in which Lissa was the first buyer.

During college she was courted by a few record companies. She was open to the idea at first, but disagreements over material and presentation stalled the negotiations. The more she learned about the record industry the less she wanted to record anything. She always had very strong opinions about art versus business. Eventually she decided to remain a live performer. Her concerts were known for her displays of raw emotion which she felt couldn't be properly duplicated in a studio. A bit of a perfectionist, she also said that mistakes made on stage could be quickly forgotten but mistakes made on tape last forever. Fortunately there are some amateur recordings of her and demo tapes she made in college. I have some of these on CD and will share them with everyone who's interested as soon as I figure out how. I have no doubt that if she became a recording artist she'd be as known today as the most famous classical musicians.

She was at the World Trade Center during the terrorist attacks on September 11th. During the rescue efforts she organized a small group of people to get as much bottled water as they could find and bring it to rescue workers. Later she helped post notices of missing people. Among the missing were one of her cousins and her long-time boyfriend. Both were never found.

In 2005 she played at the anniversary celebration for Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands and was awarded an honorary medal that she never officially accepted. She remained a Dutch citizen her entire life and showed nothing but respect for the Queen, but she had only colorfully bad things to say about royal honors. The next year she and a thousand other people played at the 60th anniversary celebration for the King of Thailand. The King was reportedly very pleased by her performance of a piano sonata he had written himself. More awards were handed out, but Lissa had already left the country by then.

Also in 2006 was Mozart's 250th birthday. Due to a misunderstanding she thought she wouldn't be able to play at the year-long celebration, but she ended up going to both Vienna and Salzburg. As a Christmas present she took her sister. They both had a great time with Lissa showing her version of Europe.

In March 2007 she went to Hong Kong for an international music festival and that's where I met her in person for the first time. I don't think I can ever express just how generous her spirit was. I think she comes off as a little guarded and distant in writing, but in person she was very warm and an energetic hugger. That really surprised me.

After our visit in Hong Kong she went into mainland China. On her way to Beijing she stopped at a school run by a colleague of mine. That's where she met Zhao Xiu. Zhao Xiu's mother had passed away two years earlier and her father passed away before she was born. Lissa and Zhao Xiu had a lot in common. Both spent their early years with only a mother who passed away when they were very young. Both studied music - Lissa, piano and Zhao Xiu, violin. When Zhao Xiu learned that an American musician was coming to the school she organized a small musical concert in Lissa's honor. What was supposed to be an overnight visit lasted two weeks and by the time Lissa left she'd started adoption proceedings.

Before Lissa left China she arranged for violin lessons from the nearest available teacher and of course instructed the school to stop feeding her meat. She planned to return in a few months to take Zhao Xiu to Beijing. Lissa wanted the trip not only as a way to see her again, but also to help acclimate her to a large city. Zhao Xiu had always lived in small villages and, just as Lissa had years earlier, was about to start a new life in the very large city of New York.

The Chinese government wouldn't let Lissa take Zhao Xiu to Beijing, but they did say yes to Hong Kong, with several restrictions. A government escort had to accompany them everywhere and Lissa could only spend so much money on Zhao Xiu. Although they were allowed to go to the new Disneyland in Hong Kong, Lissa was not allowed to buy Zhao Xiu any mouse ears or toys. Despite all the restrictions Lissa and her daughter had a great time together and Zhao Xiu loved her first visit to a Disneyland and the hustle and bustle of the big city. Sadly it was the last time they'd ever see each other.

In her short time on this earth Lissa made a tremendous impact. Above music, I think her greatest mark was her compassion. Since 2000 she was a volunteer counselor at a suicide prevention hotline. Since High School she donated half of her income to her favorite environmental organizations and charities and regularly played at organized concerts for free. She registered to vote on her 18th birthday and almost immediately became an active member of the Republican Party. Yes, she was a Republican. She campaigned for candidates and issues and was a Precinct Inspector for national, state and local elections. She opened her house in Amsterdam to families on government assistance since she only stayed there one month out of the year. She hated hospitals, but was always the first to visit family and friends if they were in one. She and her sister made sure their father never spent a night alone when he was hospitalized after his heart attack. She was the person they all knew they could turn to for assistance or support.

Lissa touched the lives of countless people and will be greatly missed. Those of us who knew her were blessed by God and should be happy for the time we had with her rather than sad for time lost. ''Life carries on'', she would say. ''Get over it, move on, and grab me a drink while you're up.''

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How sad it is to think that there is only one woman in the world who could be sharp as a tack, scathing sometimes, hilarious at other times.


Bleh!

There are many smart women all around the world but they are smart in their own way and it's not Mia-Lissa case.

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John, with all due respect, I could turn things back to say how can you be 100% certain of things just by what we see on here. You never really know.

People are entitled to not believe just as you are entitled to believe, despite your post making it sound as if the ‘evidence’ out there that you challenge people to go and seek, must be so overwhelming that people must be silly to question anything. It's just hypothetical though. You're sure names come up here and there but you don't know either.

It's not about hate, about trying to breach privacy (when much more private things than an obit have been revealed by the way) or any of the other things that seem to have come up here. It's not about there not being other witty, intelligent- whatever- women out there. Not the point. Of course there are.

Personally I was just questioning things, based on my own observations and then later by some possible coincidences presented on here. (server in Taiwan, anyone?). But if it's wrong it's wrong and I'd be the first to say my bad.
Great post Vanessa. If people will be able to read and to understand what you wrote, that's another story.

You post express how I feel about what's going on.

A little map of China. If people stop to make some observations, everything will be very obvious. I have 2 friends who live in China. One is from BRZL and the other is virtual. Interesting what they told me. I won't share but after what they told me, I have my opinion and things won't change.

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to show how gullible i can be, michelle, i believed everything you were saying until you said you owned Nassau. sad, isn't it?
I do. I'll fax you the papers of my "property".
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I consider Andy to be very intelligent, and one not given to flights of fancy or spreading 'rumors' without cause, that's why I find it all so mysterious. If he found some things 'disturbing' (and we don't know all the reasons, he preferred to keep some things private between himself and the mods), then I do too. That's why we are just asking for truth, to put an end to the speculation.

I don't believe that asking for verification after all that has been told to us should be considered being 'nosy' or intrusive, it's just human nature to bring closure to the situation. Lissa and I shared some PM's, posts and emails. She was supposedly a public figure, someone in the limelight however much she may have shunned it. If she hadn't wanted us to know, she certainly wouldn't have gone out of her way to write about that aspect of her life. All we would like is some proof of her life and death, something concrete to grab onto.

If I were in Rev. Dave's position, I would feel resentful about not being believed too, but I would go out of my way to explain things, put an end to the controversy.


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Whoa, let me be clear I stand in judgment of no one here. Playing devil's advocate like I always do.

Sorry to speak for Rev Dave but if there is no controversy in his mind, nothing to clear up.

Merry, look at the unique names on the memorial page on Lissa's website. Google them.

I understand everyone's curiosity, I'm no different. I have gone out of my way in expressing my admiration of Andy, but even he can be wrong. (sorry Andy, might be wrong.)

A bunch of us having doubts doesn't equal proof of a scam.

Vanessa, thank you for the "all due respect." Right back at ya! May I ask about your comment, "Can anyone say server in Taiwan?" What does that prove? (I am older and don't get some computer stuff.)

Peace people. I am in awe of the size and scope of this scam. Posts over many years, knowledge of so many languages and customs, keeping all the facts straight, posting in numerous personas.

Why?

MOTIVE?

Color me clueless in Chicago.
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As long as we're asking Padre to further explain, doesn't that preclude us from excercising these kind of statements?

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Just asking Michelle? (You know I love you Brazillian goddess. :worship: )
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Which unique names? There are no surnames. It also definitely appears that her name was Lissa. These memorials do sound very authentic and convincing, much more so than Reverend Dave's comments.

In loving memory of our beloved sister, daughter, mother and friend.

You were the glue that held us together. You made our little family complete. Your courage and strength are inspiring. Your compassion and humanity made the world a better place. Your wisdom and wit humbled the best of us. Your talent made our spirits sour. Your laughter, your smile, your love brightened our lives. You’re with your mother now so I should not cry for you, but I cry for me. I miss you every day and I’ll always love you.

Dad

When we first set up this website in high school it was a place for friends to keep in touch and share pictures. This was before MySpace and Facebook. We were ahead of our time. The money we could’ve made. Gradually she shifted it away from the party atmosphere to more serious things. She grew up while the rest of us were still being kids. She was always more mature than the rest of us. She was the leader of the pack. Thanks to everyone for participating over the years. Thanks for taking the time to remember her now. Thanks to our girl for all of it. I miss her everyday. I miss everything about her. What are we going to do now?

Mike

She was always enthusiastic and inquisitive. Her passion showed in everything she did. The world has lost a great talent and we will all feel a little less for her loss. Enjoy that freedom in the peace of the wild things, my friend.

Martha

De woorden kunnen alleen uitdrukken niet hoe droevig ik dit nieuws moet horen. Een dergelijk tragisch verlies van het zo plotseling gesneden leven.

Faas

I remember when we first met. It was the first day of school, freshman year. She was still limping then. I asked her why and she told me for the same reason I’d be limping if I didn’t back off. I liked her immediately. High school’s full of insecure kids trying to fit in, but Lis just didn’t care what anyone thought. She didn’t take any sh*t from anybody. I’ve always admired that.

I always fancied myself a rebel and with her I knew we could really do some damage to the status quo. She and I together could really make the cool kids quake in their boots. But she was just as disinterested in being a nonconformist as she was in being a conformist. Even then she was displaying that balance and objectivity that was just so infuriating sometimes. Before I knew what was happening she became one of the popular kids. And she dragged me along with her. That was a confusing time. How can an up-you rebel like me be popular?

Here’s a thought. If we’d had cheerleaders, would she have been one? Think about it, everybody looked up to her, she was cute as hell, she was friendly and a good student. She probably would have dragged me along with her, kicking and screaming. Can you see us in those uniforms? Give me an F. Give me a U. Give me a C. Give me a K. I know it’s a bizarre thought, but is it, logically? Discuss amongst yourselves.

She was my best friend, the sister I never had. She was everything I wanted to be with all the qualities I lacked. I was always grateful that she found me worthy enough to be her friend. I love every minute we spent together. I love how open and honest she was, whether that meant making someone cry tears of joy or tears of pure humiliation. I love how she had a better vocabulary than anyone, especially the teachers. I love how loyal she was. f*ck with any of us and you f*ck with her. And you don’t want to f*ck with her. I love how humble she was. OK, she was arrogant sometimes, a lot of the time, but she never said she was the most talented in the world, just more talented than the rest of us. Let’s face it, she was. There were plenty of people whose talent she admired above her own. Most of them are dead, but they did exist.

I can’t remember life without her and I can’t imagine what it will be like now. One thing I know for sure is she wouldn’t want us wasting it. I’ll always grieve for her and I can never forget everything she means to me, but for her and for myself I’m going to do everything I can to make my life as meaningful as it can be. My best friend would expect nothing less. Say hi to Daniel for me. I love you.

Bethany

I don’t know what to say. There are no words to express how I feel. Nothing I say can make any difference. I’m so sorry.

Monique

My eyes are filled with tears since I write this. I am truly sorry. What say can everyone in a time such as this? That of us who have losed loved ones before know how fragile and precious life can be. But when the beast takes one of our beloved ones that fact is with painful force brought home. My heart pains for the family and my prayers are with you all, especially for that clear new star in the sky.

Marijke

Such a tragic loss for all who knew her. My most sincere condolences to all her loved ones. What each of us takes from knowing her is her greatest gift to us.

Yoheved

After Mona’s accident I wanted the band to carry on. So did Mona. Lissa was the holdout. I wasn’t happy about it at the time. I knew we could easily do more, make CDs, tour, but she was the leader. She always had the first say and the last say. She was a tyrant really. We were all the better for it.

Once Mona was back up to speed all those talks about making an album were music to my ears. Lissa even brought in a bunch of other musicians to see if they’d work out. For once it looked like we’d get to do something I wanted to do. Pity the drummer.

Obviously that’s all over now. I’ll miss playing with her. I’ll miss her bossing me around with an iron fist. I’ll miss the collar she made me wear and how she’d spank me when I was bad. Okay, maybe that last part was more fantasy but I’m only human. What red-blooded hetero male wouldn’t want her? I think even gay men wanted her. I know some women did. For the sake of propriety I’ll say no more.

I’ll miss late nights of laughing. I’ll miss the way she made me laugh.

I’ll miss the hugs. Not just for the obvious sexual gratification but because she genuinely meant it when she hugged you.

Mostly I’ll miss talking to her. On any subject she had something interesting to say.

Brian

I can’t get over it. How can she really be gone? She was so smart and funny and caring and gentle. What’s the point in such a tragic loss of someone with so much to give?

Alicia

This is the first time I’ve ever lost someone I loved so I don’t really know what to say. She helped me study when I was having a hard time. She was brilliant so school was easy for her, but I was always bad at math. She showed me a better way to look at problems and when I got my first A in calculus I was excited. “The teacher gave me an A” I said. “No” she replied, “You gave yourself an A”. I miss her compassion, her smile, her laugh, her positive attitude, her generosity, and her hugs. I miss my Sandwich Sister.

Teri

My heart and prayers go out to her family. She was a gentle soul with a keen mind and a true God given talent. Our loss is Heaven’s gain.

Baruch

Who can forget the Pool Incident? Drunken Trivial Pursuit? Strip Poker Thursdays? The time she found her so called “boyfriend” with that skank Tiffany or Jennifer or whatever her skank name was? Her reaction was priceless. God I wish we had cameras on cell phones back then.

Remember Freshman Florida? That beach trip to Jersey? The Maise? Halloween at Belvedere Castle? Really any Halloween? Who had better costumes? What about Veda’s lecture, when she corrected her? The balls on that woman were made of titanium. To the only woman I’ve ever known who could write her name in the snow. I’ll miss you more than you’ll ever know.

Maleek

Een vriend is degene die jou niet uitlacht, maar die om jou kan lachen. Een vriend is iemand, tegenover wie men zichzelf durft te zijn. Goede grappen mogen geen vrienden kosten. De enige manier om een vriend te hebben is er een te zijn. Het einde van een leven behoort berouwd te worden, maar alleen als het leven verspild is.

Lina

What I’ll miss most about her are her generosity, wisdom and humor. Always the first person to help out any of us with her great advice, giving us money, giving us her time or just a shoulder to cry on. She always knew just what to say whether we wanted to hear it or not. I bet we all can remember a time when we felt backed against a wall and she said just the right thing to help us through it. Who didn’t “borrow” money from her? How many of us ever paid her back? I know I never did. I tried once but she wouldn’t let me. She knew it wasn’t the right time. I bet she spent a small fortune on us. Raise your hand if you never cried on her shoulder. I know I did more than my fair share. You couldn’t ask for someone better to be there for you when you needed it. As much as she always knew what to say she knew when to listen too.

Smarter than a whip she knew better than anyone that being smart isn’t the same as being wise. Remember that Colloquy test? She finished in like 10 minutes and the rest of us took an hour. She still got the highest score. When they invited her to join and she said no I asked her why she even took the test in the first place. Her answer said it all: shits and giggles. I tried to play chess with her once. After the opening she told me she’d win in a dozen moves and told me exactly how. I guess my point is no one questions her intelligence but we can’t ignore her wisdom. I think she was some hilltop epistemological sage in a past life or Epicurus.

“Funnier than a flesh-eating bacteria”. She could make you laugh, cry and question your own existence all at the same time. What she did most was make us laugh. Her wit could cut through anything, anytime, anywhere. It was a tool she used with natural ease to play the peacemaker, break the tension, knock someone down a few pegs, make us pee our pants or just cut through the bullsh*t. She could laugh at anything, life, death and everything in between. Better still, she could always make us laugh with her. No plague known to man was more contagious than her laugh.

Of all the means which wisdom acquires to ensure happiness throughout the whole of life, by far the most important is friendship.” - Epicurus

We love you. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Michelle

I’m sure we all remember when she took that photography class. I think she asked everyone she’d ever met to pose for her. I still can’t believe the things she talked me into. My heart goes out to her sister and father. I’m so sorry. We miss you, Perl. To my favorite amputee from your favorite gymnast.

Melonie

Please my most sincere condolences to accept. My family has pray for her and her loved ones. Unfortunately for us that are leave behind, the answers to prayers are not always the ones to have wanted.

Willem

We were at a bookstore one time and the owner asked if we were sisters. He said we looked so much alike. That’s the best compliment anyone’s ever given me. She was so beautiful I could only be so lucky to look anything like her. But it was her inner beauty that shone far brighter than her physical beauty. She didn’t give a crap about appearance but she was so beautiful. She didn’t care about tests but she was so intelligent. She didn’t want popularity but she was everyone’s favorite. She didn’t want attention for things beyond her control but here we are. She’s in the spotlight again but not for what happened to her. We’re here for her because of what she meant to us and the things she did. I miss her from the inner depths of my soul. I wish I was her sister. I love you Megan. I love you Beth. I love you Teri. I love you Michelle. I love you Maleek. I love you Mike. I love you Alicia. I love all of you. We need to say it more. I love you Lissa.

Leah


My heartfelt condolences to her family. She had a generous spirit and kind heart. She was the only patient I ever had who gave me lollipops. Much more than a patient, she was a friend. The kindness and compassion she showed my family when my wife passed away was heartwarming. I’ll miss her enchanting company and her vibrant laughter. And of course I’ll miss the lollipops.

Andrew

I got into drugs senior year. Most of you already knew about that. When I told Lis about it she was p*ssed. She just went off on me, telling me if I’m that stupid to do something that stupid there’s no point in hanging around with me. She told me she didn’t want to waste her time on morons. Peer pressure’s serious business, but none of those people could ever compete with her. When she said she was disappointed in me it was like a dagger in my heart. She gave me the choice of giving up drugs or giving up her. There was no choice. She saved my life and I never stopped thanking her. Thank you once again from the bottom of my heart. I love you. Tell Buddha or Jesus or Allah or whoever to save me a place, Ok?

Navin

My prayers, my heart, my tears, my thoughts, go out to her family. To her father and to her sister and especially to her little girl.

Gisela

I had a little crush on her when we first met. Maybe it was more of a big crush. It could’ve been more like infatuation. I was probably madly in love with her, but I got over it. Actually it lasted a while. So maybe from the day we met until forever. I’m not going to lie about it. I would’ve done anything for her. I could’ve made her happy. Okay so she would’ve made me much happier than I could’ve ever made her, so what? Maybe it was best that she turned me down over and over and over and over and over again. You can’t blame me for trying. We would’ve been a great couple. Maybe everyone would see us and say what’s she doing with that guy, but I would’ve been happy. Exhausted but happy.

My congratulations and undying jealousy to everyone who made it farther than I did. You’re all my heroes.

How do I love thee? Let me count the ways. 10,544,621. I love thine pouty lips, from which come the words that cut me down. I love thine haunting eyes that seeith right through my piteous mechanations. I love thine shining hair that wafted softly thru the breeze like some Donovan song. I love thine supple breasts because truth be told, I’m a breast man. I love thine agile hands that brought pleasure to so many, alas sadly not to me. I love thine alabaster legs which you didn’t show off often enough. I love thine perfect derriere which gave unto me most impure thoughts. Despite all my begging, pleading, praying, imploring, clamoring and kneeling she never gave in. Which just goes to show you she had pretty good taste. Take care, my love. Give ‘em hell.

David

We have but faith: we cannot know;
For knowledge is of things we see
And yet we trust it comes from thee,
A beam in darkness: let it grow.

Let knowledge grow from more to more,
But more of reverence in us dwell;
That mind and soul, according well,
May make one music as before.


Alfred Tennyson

Angela

My heart ached when I heard the terrible news. Such a complete shock out of nowhere. Words seem so inadequate, but my heart is filled with love and sympathy for all who knew our beloved Lissa. I loved her too. She was a vibrant, talented, caring woman and dearly loved by everyone whose life she touched. But for me, she was even more. She was a rare and cherished friend. Through our friendship, my vision of the beauty and possibilities of life grew. I know we will all miss her deeply, but I also know that we should recognize the blessings of the beautiful years we shared. She was always a source of strength and courage to all of us.

My prayers and thoughts are with us all.

Victoria

After my car accident she was the first person to visit me in the hospital. She was the first to bring me flowers and sign my casts. I still have them. On one she wrote “Congratulations on getting out of that blind date. Next time I will set you up with a driving instructor”. On the other she drew a picture of a blind penguin humping a bewildered polar bear.

She was my rock. Whenever I didn’t know which direction to take she helped point me in the right direction. She had the most unique and hilarious insight into romantic relationships. When I was ready to give up on music she encouraged me. She introduced me to my idol. When my mom died she was with me every step of the way. She understood what I was going through more than anybody. Even now we’re all turning to her. She was the one we’d go to in times like this and she’s the one we’re still going to.

There’s so much I still wanted from her. I want to keep playing with her. I never felt more alive than when we were making music together. I want to know what she thinks about events in life. I want her to ask me about my opinion one more time. I want just one more hug. I want to tell her I love her again and again. I wanted so much to meet her daughter. I want to hear her laugh one more time. Friends come and go but she’ll always be with us. I’ve loved her from the first time she dried my tears. I love her now more than ever before. When I’m 100 and can’t remember my own name I’ll still now how much I love her.

Mona

My heart aches with such a loss. Forever sad I will be knowing not to see her again and hear her beautiful words.

Katrine

I always wanted a sister when I was a little girl. I used to ask Santa Claus and the stork to bring me one. As I got older I asked God to bring more women into Dad’s life. He rarely went out with a “lady friend” but when he did I hoped it would lead to marriage and a little baby girl. It never got that far and I’d always reassure him that we don’t need her, just my little sister.

I always imagined my sister as someone who’d let me do her hair. I could teach her to ride a bike and show her how to find butterflies in the park. We’d be best friends and stay up late and gossip. She’d look up to me and love me like no-one else could.

When I was 13 God finally granted my wish. She was nothing like what I expected. She kept me at a distance, literally pushing me away. She wanted nothing to do with me and Dad. She was different from anybody I’d ever met. She talked funny, walked funny and could scream louder than anything. Sometimes she was very angry. Sometimes she was terribly sad. Most of the time she scared the hell out of me.

She kept us awake at night with her crying and playing. Both were heartbreaking. The first time I heard her play I thought someone was playing a record really loud. I went out to see my new sister sitting at her new piano naked as a jaybird. There’s something surreal about watching a naked 10-year-old play music that can make you cry and be afraid at the same time. Years later she said she used to do it because she felt so uncomfortable in her new home that she wanted to tear out of her skin.

Dad said she’d been through a hard time and needed extra love. I had no idea how right he was. I was always raised to extend my left hand when my right hand was pushed away. I’d wanted a sister for so long and finally got one I wasn’t about to let her attitude spoil everything. She was a little hellion, but I was determined to love her even if it killed us both.

I remember the first time I heard her laugh. Some politician was talking on the news. She looked right through him and said, “flikker verrek” and laughed. She understood politics and the antics of politicians at an age when I was learning how to put on make-up. She taught me how to look beyond what someone was saying and try to understand why they were saying it. She also taught me a lot of bad words.

I remember the first time we went riding in the park. Dad tried to take me before but I was always afraid of the horses. She wasn’t afraid of anything. She marched right up to her horse and climbed aboard. She’d been riding many times before and was already an expert. I was still learning that my little sister knew so much more about everything than I did.

I remember the last time we went riding, just before they closed down the stables. We were both sad at the thought of never being able to ride through the park again, but riding always meant more to her. I think horses were the only animals with which she felt completely at ease.

I remember our first Christmas together. It was all new to her. She couldn’t understand what the trees and stockings had to do with Jesus. I tried to explain Santa Claus and she told me he didn’t exist. I think she was wrong about that one.

I remember last Christmas. She took me to Austria and Holland. Austria was very cold but beautiful. She knew where to find all the best food. Holland was incredible. Visiting a foreign country is always great but if you can do it with someone who’s from there and who you trust completely there’s nothing better. Best trip ever.

I remember the first time she went to the top of the World Trade Center. She said she wasn’t impressed, but she went up there hundreds of times before its tragic end. Eventually she admitted it was her favorite view in the world.

I remember how much she encouraged me to do more and be a better person. She encouraged me to paint when I thought I had nothing to say. She encouraged me to ask a boy out for the first time. She said if he said no it was his loss. “f*ck him…euphemistically”.

I remember the first time we went shopping on Fifth Ave. She couldn’t believe how expensive everything was. She refused to let Dad buy her anything. Even when she was older and could afford nice things she was always frugal when it came to herself. She spent freely on everybody else but pinched pennies on herself. I was more than a little spoiled when she first came into our life. She cured me of that pretty quick.

I remember when I heard the news on September 11th. We knew she was at the Towers but no-one knew exactly where. There was nothing but bad news coming in and it just kept getting worse and worse. It was several very long hours before we finally heard from her. I was so relieved when I finally talked to her. She was concerned about the thousands of people who didn’t make it and their families but my immediate concern was only of her.

I remember the first time she posed for me. I wanted to do a nude portrait but couldn’t find anyone without hiring a model. She immediately volunteered. You couldn’t point a camera at her without risking its loss, but she was not shy at all. Anything involving nudity and she was up for it. The first time we went to The Pond together she decided to go swimming, naked of course. It wasn’t easy to convince her not to. Later she convinced me to join her skinny dipping in The Pool. I think she holds the record for most public nudity in Central Park.

I remember when she told me she was going to be a mother. She was so excited. She threw herself into it with as much enthusiasm as I’ve ever seen from her. She showed everyone the pictures of her beautiful new daughter and when someone pointed out that she’d become one of those parents who bores everyone with their pictures, Lissa said, “Wait until she gets married. Then you have to look at the pictures and bring a gift.”

I remember when Dad had his heart attack. I was terrified. She was the brave one. I know she was afraid too, but she kept it together so I could fall apart. She was in charge of the family for a while after that. Come to think of it, I think she was always in charge.

I remember the last time I saw her. Dad told me there was an accident and we needed to take the next flight to China. I couldn’t believe it. It wasn’t until we were on the plane that he told me the full story. He said she wasn’t expected to survive. This had to be some kind of mistake. It seemed like the flight took weeks. I thought it would never land. On the road to the hospital I couldn’t help but wonder if this was the same road. I wondered if we were passing the spot where this terrible thing happened.

At the hospital the doctors told us everything. They said she wasn’t supposed to survive as long as she had. They’d be amazed if she made it through the night. I was praying this was a mistake. Maybe a case of mistaken identity. Tears were running down my face when we walked into her room. I could feel Dad shaking. When I saw her in her bed with all those tubes inside of her and all the damage done to her body it took every ounce of strength I had to keep from collapsing in a pile on the floor. When she saw us her face lit up and she asked me why I was crying. Dad asked her how she was feeling and she smiled and said, “I’ve had better days.” She asked us how the flight was and if we got a good hotel. I didn’t know why she was talking about these things. I thought she must be delirious from the medication. I didn’t get it at the time. She asked if there was any news about one of the other people from the accident. No-one else existed as far as I was concerned, but she was worried about everyone else.

We all talked for a while, mostly about Zhao Xiu and how to handle everything. She asked Dad to wait outside for a minute and we talked some more. The last thing my sister ever said to me was, “It’s all about love.”

I didn’t get the little sister I wanted. She turned out to be much more than I ever expected. She taught me about music and showed me how to deal with hardships. She was my best friend. We stayed up late and talked about everything. I looked up to her and we loved each other like no-one else ever could. She showed me a world beyond my own and made me a better person.

I love you. I miss you. Goodbye.

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You're welcome John.

I don't know about 'prove', it's just a bit of a coincidence and a half I guess. Or unusual for someone in NYC.

Well anyway, let me join the clueless club.
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I heard somewhere, her name was Melissa? Don't ask me where I heard this because I don't remember. It would be nice to see an obituary about her death just to put an end to all the speculations if she was real or just an imaginary internet friend.

I've moved on with Lissa. If Lissa was real, may she RIP. If she wasn't real, wait for the movie or book to come out, then you can say you were a part of that story. :rofl: :yawn:

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What if Mr. David is a real and good person? Maybe he is just a passionate guy who talks too much like me. Maybe he likes to tell things in details like me? Who knows?

Who will be the first to apologize? :innocent: :whistle:
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What if Mr. David is a real and good person? Maybe he is just a passionate guy who talks too much like me. Maybe he likes to tell things in details like me? Who knows?

Who will be the first to apologize? :innocent: :whistle:
I will be the very first to apologize because I want the movie rights. :yes:
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What if Mr. David is a real and good person? Maybe he is just a passionate guy who talks too much like me. Maybe he likes to tell things in details like me? Who knows?

Who will be the first to apologize? :innocent: :whistle:
:innocent: I would! For the fact that I am always apologize over something. :blink: :whistle:
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Lee, why do you think you're the only one who knows how to use the internet? The link was there for everyone to click, we don't need you to paste the whole thing in for us. Just because you're reading it for the first time doesn't mean we all are.

As for Googling the names, just think about it for a minute.
Okay, so there are only first names. There are some fairly individual first names. There are also names of schools. Put two and two together. I'm not going to paste it all in for you. If you want the information, you're going to have to earn it.
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this whole mystery is right up lee's alley. you know how he loves to cutty/pasty and it's a challenge for him to uncover the secrets within. i'm grateful to hear whatever he finds.

and i would be the first to apologize to all involved. it's not something to joke about. if she were real she sounded like quite something. i am dissapointed that Rev. Dave doesn't seem as people compassionate as he should in his position. he's said a few things that i felt were not up to par for a man of the cloth.
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John, with all due respect, I could turn things back to say how can you be 100% certain of things just by what we see on here. You never really know.

People are entitled to not believe just as you are entitled to believe, despite your post making it sound as if the ‘evidence’ out there that you challenge people to go and seek, must be so overwhelming that people must be silly to question anything. It's just hypothetical though. You're sure names come up here and there but you don't know either.

It's not about hate, about trying to breach privacy (when much more private things than an obit have been revealed by the way) or any of the other things that seem to have come up here. It's not about there not being other witty, intelligent- whatever- women out there. Not the point. Of course there are.

Personally I was just questioning things, based on my own observations and then later by some possible coincidences presented on here. (server in Taiwan, anyone?). But if it's wrong it's wrong and I'd be the first to say my bad.
Vanessa,

Naturally people have the right to believe what they want, but one of those opinions must be wrong. I'm not saying my opinion is better than the next person's, but they can't both be true.

You're a former mod of a much busier forum than this, and you were an excellent one at that. You were always the first to call me out for unprofessional behaviour when I lost my temper and you were absolutely right to do so.

So putting your former-mod hat on for a moment, what would you say about the feeding frenzy of disrespect that has gone on here based on such scant evidence? Would you feel it worthy of the bile that has been directed towards these people?
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Lee, why do you think you're the only one who knows how to use the internet? The link was there for everyone to click, we don't need you to paste the whole thing in for us. Just because you're reading it for the first time doesn't mean we all are.

As for Googling the names, just think about it for a minute. Okay, so there are only first names. There are some fairly individual first names. There are also names of schools. Put two and two together. I'm not going to paste it all in for you. If you want the information, you're going to have to earn it.
Thank you Mr Wannabe Mod. I knew that uber long C&P would draw someone's ire, but with this thread moving along so rapidly I don't think you will have to scroll past it much longer to make your comments about how everyone should just ignore this thread. :P

I am going to investigate further after my TV programs go off. :ponder:
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Be nice Lapsi. Bill is more than a wanna be mod. You can thank him for this board still being here. :no: :no:

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Will do Chief, but I think Bill can handle himself, and me, better than most. ;)
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Not the first time I've been accused of handling myself. :rofl:
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Neither Dave nor Mia (at least previously) understood that Peter was just the tip of a rather large iceberg.
Which all goes to show that everyone reveals only as much of themselves in a public forum as they choose to. So why is Peter not being hounded for proof of who he claims to be. And why should we want it?

Unless I'm missing something here Bill about what you are saying, I was not in any way implying anything about Peter himself.

What I was getting at is that the "rather large iceberg" is the mass of many people that do not believe that Lissa was a real person. Many different people, several of which reached their conclusions independently of each other, many of which had no personal grudge against Rev. Dave, Mia, Lissa or Adilah.

I didn't realise that was what you meant.

Of course, icebergs can be traced to the tip.
If you are implying along with the "Reverend" that I am the cause and scource of this little pickle, I fear I must disappoint you and repeat that it was put to me about two weeks maybe a little earlier after the reporting of her death. John (Fab4Fan) was deeply saddened by the report as was I, and I have no doubt in his motives behind his posts on this subject. Within a week, my emotion was not anger if it was a huge game or excercise in creative writing or how clever we are, that if it was I feel sad for them, I have told memebers over the phone, in chat and in person, since then not to feel foolish about having grieved it only proves that they are human and have empathy. Any of them can say here publicly indeed even when i open my gob in a face to face situation, I understand that it will be repeated to another person, mostly as in the case of my two best friends, one from the age of seven the other from nineteen, to their wives etc. Incidentally as people on this board can verify both have widely different accents and I had to translate for the pair of them.

I have said before I have no problem about furnishing any proof to you about who I am. You will have to accept a photocopy of my birth certificate , orginal lost in the Belfast crown courts. My "O" levels, "A" levels are in my former name but i can furnish the deed poll ( yes, i changed it legally like John Lennon , though was no requirement in english law to do so), furthermore my reference from Merseyside Police, my passport (issued 1982) , my drivers license, my professional accountancy qualifications are all under my "new" name.

People have been asking me for 16 months was she was real or not, personally I dont give a toss if she was or not, and they are people who were still feeling a loss. I found the "character " Lissa funny,thoughtful, thought provoking, aggravating and sometimes down right nasty, both on here and Macca.com. I felt an immediate sadness on the report of her death, more than I would have thought possible, but the report of her life brought me too tears. Now, it maybe culled from several women's lives and put together, for a sheer selfish reason I wish that to be the case, because I have known women who have been treated that way in real life and all I could do was hold their hand, I didnt have a magic wand to make it all disappear. I even worked with one b*stard who, well you can imagine, unfortunately he didnt succeed in hanging himself. Now I am a silly old sod and I can always fall for a sad story from a woman, always have and guess always will, I am talking about real life here, and they aint always been telling the truth. But the truth is men are scum, ok ok only about 90% of them. Truth or falsehood , forgive me for not wanting to read all that bit again. It is the celt in me, forgive me too for pointing that i am not english I have never claimed to be english, it is you that keeps calling me english, and I can get a little emotional.

Just to clear up any misunderstanding. the Iluvpeter was ok by the admin as both he and I did not know if i could use the account from my mothers on here (ie at my home), so I was too use Peter in my name. The iluv bit was from a comment by someone that only my mother could love me, a view that I and time concur with. Now when the admin decided to do away with two names and double accounts, he asked me which one to keep, cant remember why he chose this one but I couldnt give a damn if he had changed it too dickhead. When I first appeared as Iluvpeter I was called on it within two hours by pm by dotty and a few others almost immediately though i did try to write like a girlie. Though some smart people took a day or two to figure it out, it was kept on to differentiate to people at which place I was posting at and whether or not they could bell me. If the new admin wishes to change this one , I have no qualms about it and she can change it to anything she chooses, though I was Peter on the JLF and am Peter on GH and PM. But paininthearse has a certain ring to it dont you think.

The "Reverend" was asked about some discrepenticies he has chosen not to answer them, fair enough that is his right.

After reading this thread, it disappoints me that I will have to inform a friend that they didnt trace Bill as Bill nor William is his name. I did suggest they search for Bob Hawk's nephew.

I repeat for those that feel foolish for grieving or just be saddened, do not those feelings show that you are human and alive. The dead cannot weep.
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I will just say that is single best post that I have ever read from Peter's pen...so to speak. Now about Bill handling himself, I think we all need to pitch in and buy him a Wii, because it lasts longer. :whistle:
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Just to clarify, I do not expect proof of anything from anyone. I've always taken people at their word and only ever suggested that others do the same. People reveal as much or as little of themselves as they choose to. We all have our rights.

Hawkie's nephew? I've been called worse. :lol:
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Just to clarify, I do not expect proof of anything from anyone. I've always taken people at their word and only ever suggested that others do the same. People reveal as much or as little of themselves as they choose to. We all have our rights.

Hawkie's nephew? I've been called worse. :lol:
I would be really surprised if the Lissa, whose posts I have been reading, would have approved of the detailed and intimate portrait drawn of her 72 hours after her death by someone she had known for just five months. The most convincing evidence are the memorials to her by her friends, father and sister Megan, which is why I posted them here for others, who may be link-impaired, to read.
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((Peter)) ~ I have no problem with you using both names, your not using it to be mysterious. It makes sense to those who call you to know weather your at mom's or home.


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I am one of the people that Peter has told on the phone not to feel bad because I grieved.

I also did the memorials in the signature and avatar, but no more. That is the past and I am moving on. I no longer believe that Lissa was who she says she was. I don't think she was a famous concert pianist. I have searched the Julliard site, all the places where we heard she had performed and come up with nothing. All I have is a name used by mozart8mytoe and a picture sent to me by Adilah. I no longer think that picture is of anyone related to anything here.

I find it sad that somebody would try to do this to gullible people, but I don't feel sad for caring.
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Just to clarify, I do not expect proof of anything from anyone. I've always taken people at their word and only ever suggested that others do the same. People reveal as much or as little of themselves as they choose to. We all have our rights.

Hawkie's nephew? I've been called worse. :lol:
Bill, the point as I see it is not people not being allowed to 'keep things private' when they post, of course they are. I for one don't reveal certain things on the Internet. The point is surely if what they did reveal was the truth or not.
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"I repeat for those that feel foolish for grieving or just be saddened, do not those feelings show that you are human and alive. The dead cannot weep."

Marvelous, bloody marvelous.
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Bill, the point as I see it is not people not being allowed to 'keep things private' when they post, of course they are. I for one don't reveal certain things on the Internet. The point is surely if what they did reveal was the truth or not.
Why should anyone doubt it? If you say you've lived in New Zealand, that's good enough for me. I don't need to see your visa. ;)
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Bill, the point as I see it is not people not being allowed to 'keep things private' when they post, of course they are. I for one don't reveal certain things on the Internet. The point is surely if what they did reveal was the truth or not.
Why should anyone doubt it? If you say you've lived in New Zealand, that's good enough for me. I don't need to see your visa. ;)
Fair enough. I don't just go around thinking everyone's lying. I just think that at times - let's face it- it's possible, as it is in person.

So can you honestly say then you'd believe most of what people say on the Internet?

Oh and btw I saw your other post but I will have to respond later if that's okay.

Time to do some work and all that. :)








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Bill, the point as I see it is not people not being allowed to 'keep things private' when they post, of course they are. I for one don't reveal certain things on the Internet. The point is surely if what they did reveal was the truth or not.
Why should anyone doubt it? If you say you've lived in New Zealand, that's good enough for me. I don't need to see your visa. ;)
This is a Beatles forum where the vast majority of things said are true, but that simply doesn't hold up on the rest of the internet and I think it's possible for even this idyllic hamlet to be intruded upon by those without veracity. I do not believe half of what is said by people I meet online, even if I have known them for a year.
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I'm with you on this Judy - moving on from it, but it really amounts to more than truth or lies on the internet and what individuals choose to reveal. Internet or not, for better or worse, there was a significant emotional investment for many which makes it worthy of an explanation. We're only human. But of course, we don't always get what we want.
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I agree Barb ~ we grew to care about Lissa. You would think if Reverend Dave could tell us all he did about Lissa, an obituary would have been nice to give us a bit of closure ~ just to put a stop to this.

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I agree Barb ~ we grew to care about Lissa. You would think if Reverend Dave could tell us all he did about Lissa, an obituary would have been nice to give us a bit of closure ~ just to put a stop to this.
I agree, also. I grieved for her, & if she wasn't real, I'd feel like a complete fool. Having said that, to know one way or another would be nice. Because, knowing is better than not.
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John, with all due respect, I could turn things back to say how can you be 100% certain of things just by what we see on here. You never really know.

People are entitled to not believe just as you are entitled to believe, despite your post making it sound as if the ‘evidence’ out there that you challenge people to go and seek, must be so overwhelming that people must be silly to question anything. It's just hypothetical though. You're sure names come up here and there but you don't know either.

It's not about hate, about trying to breach privacy (when much more private things than an obit have been revealed by the way) or any of the other things that seem to have come up here. It's not about there not being other witty, intelligent- whatever- women out there. Not the point. Of course there are.

Personally I was just questioning things, based on my own observations and then later by some possible coincidences presented on here. (server in Taiwan, anyone?). But if it's wrong it's wrong and I'd be the first to say my bad.
Vanessa,

Naturally people have the right to believe what they want, but one of those opinions must be wrong. I'm not saying my opinion is better than the next person's, but they can't both be true.

You're a former mod of a much busier forum than this, and you were an excellent one at that. You were always the first to call me out for unprofessional behaviour when I lost my temper and you were absolutely right to do so.

So putting your former-mod hat on for a moment, what would you say about the feeding frenzy of disrespect that has gone on here based on such scant evidence? Would you feel it worthy of the bile that has been directed towards these people?
Thanks for the compliment first of all. I tried my best to be fair, however it could have been at least a part time job time-wise and in the long run it just got a bit too much in general.

Anyway I can't speak for Andy's decision to post this 'news' here- but the circumstances as they were, and the type of forum this is as opposed to an 'official' one, means that it could happen here but probably would be handled differently elsewhere so there obviously wouldn't be any public responses or discussion like seen here.

But no matter where something like this would be posted openly, I'd say there would be some kind of big reaction (anger, disbelief or a mixture of various other ones)- no matter if the story was true or not unfortunately. Yeah we've seen that here for sure. I think it was in part natural, given some people's investment of emotion, when suddenly this theory is made out in the open like this and, once the can of worms is opened, people respond.

But things seem to have calmed down a bit all round.

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I think it's a great story either way it turns out, which is what spurred my curiosity. I feel like I know Lissa pretty well just from reading a few hundred responses from her and about her.
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lee, i bet you were always the type to do your homework and more for 'extra credit'. :giggle:

i'm wondering what you did back in the day before cutty/pasty!!!
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lee, i bet you were always the type to do your homework and more for 'extra credit'. :giggle:

i'm wondering what you did back in the day before cutty/pasty!!!
I used to like to read the dictionary, the encyclopedia and see how any digits of Pi I could remember. :D
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Reverend Dave, mozart8mytoe, Mia Culpa and Adilah are all one and the same person?
It does not surprise me at all if that's the case. I was suspicious when mozart8mytoe "died". I never really belived that story. No one knew her name, where she lived, what she looked like... but so many here were so sad...I wasn't. One of the reason is that there was a similar story here in Norway a few years ago. A woman who was a football fan used to post a lot on the message board of her favorite club. Thousands of posts and she made many friends there, she was very popular. Then one of her friends said on the board that she had died in a tragic car accident. Everyone was so sad, on the next home game fans had banners that said RIP and the name of the girl. The players were really upset because of what had happened. But then the fans wanted to know more about what happened. It turned out that no one had died. She made up that story herself. On the message board it was the same person with many accounts. The close friends she had were not her friends, she was talking to herself... So many lies there, she said she lived in Oslo, but she lived far away. She said she was 17... but I think she was 50... It was a big story in the news here...
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Reverend Dave, mozart8mytoe, Mia Culpa and Adilah are all one and the same person?
It does not surprise me at all if that's the case. I was suspicious when mozart8mytoe "died". I never really belived that story. No one knew her name, where she lived, what she looked like... but so many here were so sad...I wasn't. One of the reason is that there was a similar story here in Norway a few years ago. A woman who was a football fan used to post a lot on the message board of her favorite club. Thousands of posts and she made many friends there, she was very popular. Then one of her friends said on the board that she had died in a tragic car accident. Everyone was so sad, on the next home game fans had banners that said RIP and the name of the girl. The players were really upset because of what had happened. But then the fans wanted to know more about what happened. It turned out that no one had died. She made up that story herself. On the message board it was the same person with many accounts. The close friends she had were not her friends, she was talking to herself... So many lies there, she said she lived in Oslo, but she lived far away. She said she was 17... but I think she was 50... It was a big story in the news here...
I wonder why anyone would bother going through all that trouble creating a false persona, and then faking a death? I wonder if it's the result of mental illness? or if they just get their kicks off of fooling people? It doesn't make any sense to me.
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Reverend Dave, mozart8mytoe, Mia Culpa and Adilah are all one and the same person?
It does not surprise me at all if that's the case. I was suspicious when mozart8mytoe "died". I never really belived that story. No one knew her name, where she lived, what she looked like... but so many here were so sad...I wasn't. One of the reason is that there was a similar story here in Norway a few years ago. A woman who was a football fan used to post a lot on the message board of her favorite club. Thousands of posts and she made many friends there, she was very popular. Then one of her friends said on the board that she had died in a tragic car accident. Everyone was so sad, on the next home game fans had banners that said RIP and the name of the girl. The players were really upset because of what had happened. But then the fans wanted to know more about what happened. It turned out that no one had died. She made up that story herself. On the message board it was the same person with many accounts. The close friends she had were not her friends, she was talking to herself... So many lies there, she said she lived in Oslo, but she lived far away. She said she was 17... but I think she was 50... It was a big story in the news here...
I wonder why anyone would bother going through all that trouble creating a false persona, and then faking a death? I wonder if it's the result of mental illness? or if they just get their kicks off of fooling people? It doesn't make any sense to me.
Usually it's just loneliness and lack of attention i.e. look at me. :cry:
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Feb 3 2009, 01:40 AM
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Reverend Dave, mozart8mytoe, Mia Culpa and Adilah are all one and the same person?
It does not surprise me at all if that's the case. I was suspicious when mozart8mytoe "died". I never really belived that story. No one knew her name, where she lived, what she looked like... but so many here were so sad...I wasn't. One of the reason is that there was a similar story here in Norway a few years ago. A woman who was a football fan used to post a lot on the message board of her favorite club. Thousands of posts and she made many friends there, she was very popular. Then one of her friends said on the board that she had died in a tragic car accident. Everyone was so sad, on the next home game fans had banners that said RIP and the name of the girl. The players were really upset because of what had happened. But then the fans wanted to know more about what happened. It turned out that no one had died. She made up that story herself. On the message board it was the same person with many accounts. The close friends she had were not her friends, she was talking to herself... So many lies there, she said she lived in Oslo, but she lived far away. She said she was 17... but I think she was 50... It was a big story in the news here...
I wonder why anyone would bother going through all that trouble creating a false persona, and then faking a death? I wonder if it's the result of mental illness? or if they just get their kicks off of fooling people? It doesn't make any sense to me.
Usually it's just loneliness and lack of attention i.e. look at me. :cry:
But you've made lots of friends both here and on the Sean forum just by being yourself. :)
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Reverend Dave, mozart8mytoe, Mia Culpa and Adilah are all one and the same person?
It does not surprise me at all if that's the case. I was suspicious when mozart8mytoe "died". I never really belived that story. No one knew her name, where she lived, what she looked like... but so many here were so sad...I wasn't. One of the reason is that there was a similar story here in Norway a few years ago. A woman who was a football fan used to post a lot on the message board of her favorite club. Thousands of posts and she made many friends there, she was very popular. Then one of her friends said on the board that she had died in a tragic car accident. Everyone was so sad, on the next home game fans had banners that said RIP and the name of the girl. The players were really upset because of what had happened. But then the fans wanted to know more about what happened. It turned out that no one had died. She made up that story herself. On the message board it was the same person with many accounts. The close friends she had were not her friends, she was talking to herself... So many lies there, she said she lived in Oslo, but she lived far away. She said she was 17... but I think she was 50... It was a big story in the news here...
I wonder why anyone would bother going through all that trouble creating a false persona, and then faking a death? I wonder if it's the result of mental illness? or if they just get their kicks off of fooling people? It doesn't make any sense to me.
Usually it's just loneliness and lack of attention i.e. look at me. :cry:
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In Phoenix, wondering when I will let her come back. I don't think she needs to visit every month. Might not be prudent. :nono:
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You don't want her every month with you?

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You don't want her every month with you?

She is a lot younger than I am and I don't think I need to rush anything with someone that is much less experienced than I am in affairs of the heart, plus I just broke up with my girlfriend of 44 months and there are a few unsettled financial matters. I think we need to savor this part of the relationship and do it right. I have only known her since September, but the first meeting went so well, it will be difficult to repeat. I want her to know me as well as possible, the good, and the other 95%, before she starts jet-setting off around the county. There is also a strong possibility that she will moving to the east coast in the Spring.
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guys are so complicated... :whistle:
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Feb 3 2009, 04:36 AM
guys are so complicated... :whistle:
Some guys especially... :suave:
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guys are so complicated... :whistle:
:lol: aren't they ever!
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Reverend Dave, mozart8mytoe, Mia Culpa and Adilah are all one and the same person?
It does not surprise me at all if that's the case. I was suspicious when mozart8mytoe "died". I never really belived that story. No one knew her name, where she lived, what she looked like... but so many here were so sad...I wasn't. One of the reason is that there was a similar story here in Norway a few years ago. A woman who was a football fan used to post a lot on the message board of her favorite club. Thousands of posts and she made many friends there, she was very popular. Then one of her friends said on the board that she had died in a tragic car accident. Everyone was so sad, on the next home game fans had banners that said RIP and the name of the girl. The players were really upset because of what had happened. But then the fans wanted to know more about what happened. It turned out that no one had died. She made up that story herself. On the message board it was the same person with many accounts. The close friends she had were not her friends, she was talking to herself... So many lies there, she said she lived in Oslo, but she lived far away. She said she was 17... but I think she was 50... It was a big story in the news here...
that's very interesting, Svenn, thanks for posting it!
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Feb 3 2009, 03:23 AM
In Phoenix, wondering when I will let her come back. I don't think she needs to visit every month. Might not be prudent. :nono:
I live in Phoenix ;)
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In Phoenix, wondering when I will let her come back. I don't think she needs to visit every month. Might not be prudent. :nono:
I live in Phoenix ;)
If you could offer any help getting her a job, even temporary, it would be greatly appreciated.
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In Phoenix, wondering when I will let her come back. I don't think she needs to visit every month. Might not be prudent. :nono:
I live in Phoenix ;)
If you could offer any help getting her a job, even temporary, it would be greatly appreciated.
What does she do?
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Aww, I remember watching the Beatles cartoons on Sat morning~(geez, I'm OLD!!)
I had forgotten how cute they were....... :yes:

Why didn't they show up on my quote of your post?? :unsure:
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Why didn't they show up on my quote of your post?? :unsure:
its the signature
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In Phoenix, wondering when I will let her come back. I don't think she needs to visit every month. Might not be prudent. :nono:
I live in Phoenix ;)
If you could offer any help getting her a job, even temporary, it would be greatly appreciated.
What does she do?
She is a costume character and 'Ask Me Girl' at fairs and festivals ($30 per hour but not many hours) and also works retail at the local mall.
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:huh: Couldn't you two be having this conversation in PM's or something? :sweet:
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We could.

Lee -I have nothing available at my place but I'll keep my ears open.
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We could.

Lee -I have nothing available at my place but I'll keep my ears open.
Thank you. Over and out.
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