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| Dorfliedot | Jan 23 2009, 06:28 AM Post #201 |
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That the problem your bone was to big to bury In the hole I dug.. Now, I decide, I am a millionare. I got go out and spend all my money. P.S. Don't you dare ask, me to share. Edited by Dorfliedot, Jan 23 2009, 06:29 AM.
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| mspeel 007 | Jan 23 2009, 06:31 AM Post #202 |
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Me too!!!!!!
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| Dorfliedot | Jan 23 2009, 06:47 AM Post #203 |
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| temptresss | Jan 23 2009, 01:47 PM Post #204 |
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just my opinion, rev. dave, but for a man of the cloth i believe you should have far more tolerance for ALL of mankind than you do. even jesus accepted man's hostilities and shortcomings and still found a place in his heart for love. i guess my only question would be how did you know every little detail about lissa's life from birth on up. you can put me in the category of hostile/hateful (which i am NOT) if you like but just because people might not believe what an internet reverend claims not does necessarily make them hostile or full of hatred. perhaps they/we have been had in the past and are more cautious with what we believe when we read any words written here. anyway, that was my question...lissa seemed very private so for you to know as much as you did...well, it almost seemed like she had written it herself, and maybe she did. as far as mia, funny she comes in right along with you. guess it was a short deploy. |
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| Jacaranda | Jan 23 2009, 02:22 PM Post #205 |
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Dave, The "evidence" that Andy refers to, while circumstantial, is more detailed than he is willing to discuss and therefore more disturbing. Regarding whether it is just one or two people who have a grudge against Mia, that idea just trivializes this issue. There are many people, both on and off this site, that have not believed the story of Lissa's death since it was first announced and have done a lot of research trying in vain to locate some scrap of evidence -- such as newspaper articles, obituaries, death certificates, programs from concerts -- proving her to be real, beyond her website and her posting on the John Lennon forum and here. I can't tell you conclusively that you or the others have done anything fraudulent or not, or that this whole situation is a case of mass conspiracy against you and the others. But in any case I'm sorry. I'm sorry it has come to this point, but believe me Andy is not a purveyor of silly internet gossip and he agonized over this whole situation and it hurt him deeply. As it has me and many others. Lisa |
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| maccascruff | Jan 23 2009, 02:43 PM Post #206 |
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This situation has hurt a lot of people. That is very true. I hope you were not trying to pull something on us, but I am afraid you are. Question: why did Mia appear right after Rev. Dave? |
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| pood for paul | Jan 23 2009, 02:49 PM Post #207 |
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I had a PM from Mia Culpa this am. I had sent one to her, when this all first started. It says, and I quote.. "I'm really Peter. Don't tell anyone" I, personally, am done with this whole charade. I don't care anymore who anyone is-I'm going back to talking about Paul.
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| Queenbee | Jan 23 2009, 03:02 PM Post #208 |
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Reverend Dave, Lissa life read as a great novel or book, except we have one picture of her, which we were told not to post on the internet. If she existed, why weren't allowed to see an obituary or send a card or flowers or give a donation in her name, because we didn't know her proper name. From what I heard her first name was Melissa. People have checked out newspapers, obituaries, musical sections of the newspapers to find anything pertaining to Lissa. Are we asking for too much? |
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| LadyMacca | Jan 23 2009, 03:30 PM Post #209 |
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Kinda interesting how rev. Dave comes to post here an moments later .. Mia just happens to post as well.
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| pood for paul | Jan 23 2009, 03:44 PM Post #210 |
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Isn't though? I have new thoughts on this whole fiasco. OOPS-I forgot, I'm only talking about Paul from now on.....
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| Merry | Jan 23 2009, 05:10 PM Post #211 |
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I'm rather disappointed with what Reverend Dave said, and believe me, I would like more than anything to be wrong about this, but I feel that his post just added to our doubts. With all due respect to him, I feel all he did was hide behind a smokescreen, pointing a finger at whom he felt created the issue, but not dealing with it directly. I don't quite understand that, whatsoever. If it were me, I'd inform people, even if it's just some sort of substantiation of Lissa's existence. We don't need intimate details, just something that could show us that she was who she seemed to be, I don't feel that's asking for too much. And I also felt Mia's presence along with his was a little odd, and the fact that she totally sidestepped the issues and made a few innocuous posts rather than stand up for herself...that puzzles me, too. What she said to Judy (Pood For Paul) via PM was kind of silly and certainly did nothing to clear anything up. I'd really like to know all of the facts, as I'm sure most of us would. I don't usually jump on 'conspiracy theory' bandwagons, but when Andy brought it up, I realized it had to be serious. None of us are looking to call anyone a liar, but if it were me, I'd do all I could to clear myself and bring out the truth. I, along with many here, were deeply affected by Lissa's untimely death, and we'd just like to know our feelings weren't in vain. Merry |
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| pood for paul | Jan 23 2009, 05:26 PM Post #212 |
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Smart post, Merry..... You must be from Michigan.
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| Merry | Jan 23 2009, 05:30 PM Post #213 |
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Thank you, Judy! Sure am, and proud of it, too! ![]() Merry
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| Rose | Jan 23 2009, 06:48 PM Post #214 |
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Fascinating...as usual. I wasn't going to add to this drama anymore....but then I reread all the posts I wrote after "Lissa" died. How strange to be affected so by someone you didn't know. How saddened I was. Now I'm just annoyed. I do agree that it would be SO EASY to put this all to rest. A simple link to an OBIT...an article...anything to prove she existed. And as famous and outstanding as she seemed to be...that would be an easy thing to do. Instead we get a runaround. Disgruntled refusal to really address the issue. Finger pointing...and pushing the focus onto Peter....typical defensive behavior. Spare me the indignation. You could end this if you wanted to....or if you could. It would be nice to be proven wrong about this whole charade. It really would be.... But I doubt that is going to happen. |
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| Mindy | Jan 23 2009, 07:39 PM Post #215 |
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Well-said, Lapis. I didn't know Lissa, and have only read what was posted about her here, but her life sounds incredible, unbelievable in fact. I understand why so many people are suspicious that her death is hoax or that she never existed at all. Nowadays there is so much information available on the web, it's odd that there is absolutely no trace of her. Why share such intimate details of her life, yet not allow board members to send their condolensces to her family? The messages simply could've been forwarded. There are too many unanswered questions, and I don't think there will be any real answers. |
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| FamousGroupie | Jan 23 2009, 10:03 PM Post #216 |
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I find it more intriguing that Mia joined very soon after Lissa 'died'. |
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| theonlyfab4fan | Jan 24 2009, 12:20 AM Post #217 |
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At best the information we have is sketchy to determine the reality of a person posting here. However, please do not forget that the death of a person is public information. Even if Lissa died in Asia, she was still a resident of the US and therefore there should be a record on file of her death in New York state. Also there would be proof that she had been part of any musical endeavors in this country. I find it baffling that none of these details can be substantiated. I have a family member who is an archivist for New York state and with the info I gave her, she could find no record of any such person. She may be wrong, but then again she may be right. As a side note: I foung the story of her killing her mothers abusive boyfriend similiar to the story of Lana Turners daughter killing her mothers boyfriend Johnny Stompanato. |
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| Queenbee | Jan 24 2009, 01:26 AM Post #218 |
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Merry ~ I'm confused? Did I say something mean??? |
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| bluemeanie | Jan 24 2009, 01:27 AM Post #219 |
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| pood for paul | Jan 24 2009, 01:29 AM Post #220 |
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Judy~ She was talking to this Judy- We're both from Michigan! Sorry for the confusion!
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| pood for paul | Jan 24 2009, 01:32 AM Post #221 |
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Rose~ The fact that Peter was mentioned in the PM I got today, just blew me away. I thought WTH is THAT suppose to mean? Where did that come from? Unless-it was meant to be his/her silly, offbeat "humor"..... Damn, I keep breaking my vow to just talk about Paul here from now on-but this just bugs me... Edited by pood for paul, Jan 24 2009, 01:33 AM.
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| maccascruff | Jan 24 2009, 02:10 AM Post #222 |
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And it's something Lissa would say. |
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| Jacaranda | Jan 24 2009, 02:21 AM Post #223 |
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Neither Dave nor Mia (at least previously) understood that Peter was just the tip of a rather large iceberg. |
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| BeatleBarb | Jan 24 2009, 02:24 AM Post #224 |
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Merry, Rose - you've both pretty much summed up my feelings and assessment of the situation and it is now quite over for me. |
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| Queenbee | Jan 24 2009, 02:44 AM Post #225 |
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Barb ~ Me too! Too much drama for my brain to waste brain cells on. Someone will have to pay the price someday. |
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| Dorfliedot | Jan 24 2009, 02:52 AM Post #226 |
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I was just being honest. |
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| Merry | Jan 24 2009, 03:05 AM Post #227 |
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That's right, Pood for Paul (her name is Judy too) and I were just bantering about our being Michiganian's. But as for my giving up on this subject, I'll still be hoping for some kind of explanation, I don't give up on these kind of things too easily. I used to read 'True Crime' Books, pondering over what makes people tick. Btw Claire...according to her profile, Mia didn't join the forum until January of 2008, and Lissa left here in August of '07. Merry
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| Dorfliedot | Jan 24 2009, 04:24 AM Post #228 |
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Don't forget I lived there once in Grandhaven. |
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| FamousGroupie | Jan 24 2009, 04:29 AM Post #229 |
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Still too close for my liking, Merry. |
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| bluemeanie | Jan 24 2009, 04:31 AM Post #230 |
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i've gotta say when the announcement of lissa being killed in a bus crash happened and then the info that was being 'brought to the forum' by rev dave' was given -i used all my many sources throughout the world (not all on here - but through many chat sites) to see 'WHAT' Lissa was like and what her bio was. after many disappointing searching through NY and China then I had to question the circumstamces of her death and where bouts she actually lived. surely her 'killing her father' at a young age would of made some national news???? I know it would of done over here and in other countries too. If people (even after '18 months' ) still think this was real and happened wont tell us anymore about 'Lissa: and wont give us proven evidence about her exicence - then i'm sorry but i am gonna take this as a fake and no more you cant FULLY explain your actions or publicising your knowledge about the issue - prove it or else be condemmed |
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| Merry | Jan 24 2009, 04:32 AM Post #231 |
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That's right, you did, (((Dotty)))! I wish you could've stayed, but you've had hated the weather, the winters are blustery, and this year its been especially bad. I live in the south now, but I'll always love my state, and plan to go back to visit my sons when I can. Hopefully we will go back again this spring. Merry
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| Merry | Jan 24 2009, 04:54 AM Post #232 |
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I've been rereading Rev. Dave's bio of Lissa, posted shortly after her 'death', and I do have to admit that he goes into a great deal of detail, which I find odd since he didn't seem to know her that well, and she seemed so protective of her privacy. For someone who traveled around the world doing concerts, and who chose to share so much of her time with us, it strikes me as strange that she or even Rev. Dave, didn't feel that they could entrust us with any proof in some form, or give us even the slightest clue as to who she was. Jayne, I didn't have the resources that you did, but I tried to find things in my own way and came to the same conclusions you did...there was nothing to latch onto. No obituary, no mention of a car/bus accident in China, absolutely zilch. I even looked up Yo Yo Ma recordings, since Lissa mentioned that she knew him and they performed together. Of course all I had to go on was her first name, and we don't even know for certain that it was accurate. Oh well. We may never get to the crux of the matter, but I'm still not giving up. I'm nothing if not tenacious! Merry
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| FamousGroupie | Jan 24 2009, 05:16 AM Post #233 |
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I have a photo that was sent to me that was purported to be Lissa. I wonder if I should post it... |
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| theonlyfab4fan | Jan 24 2009, 05:18 AM Post #234 |
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I think a lot of people got that photo. It means nothing in the grand scheme of things. How do you explain no record of her death in New York City. These are records available to all the public due to the freedom of information act. |
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| temptresss | Jan 24 2009, 01:17 PM Post #235 |
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did anyone know her last name or her full name? otherwise i'm not sure how you could truly check. maybe rev. dave is delusional? he mentioned americans going to liverpool so of course it's possible people from israel go to china...i think that's just a lil bit different. americans going to liverpool had quite a collective reasoning for going. i remember rev dave saying he didn't know much about the private lissa but then he writes her life story as though it were a movie. i'm sure he also knows every lil crook 'n cranny about mia and adilah's life as well. he can be 'disappointed in us' all he wants when it just takes a second to disprove our 'concocted theories'. does he have to? of course not. does he want to allow lissa the honor of what this group once believed...well, he has the way if he wanted. |
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So many words that say so little. One single link to Lissa's obituary, the bus accident or her performance before Queen Beatrice would have sufficed. |
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| Aimee Wilbury | Jan 24 2009, 07:55 PM Post #237 |
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Is it possible that her "online name" is completely different from her "real name"? As in not a variation, shortening, or whatever you call them?
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I promised myself I wouldn't get involved with this stinky story BUT I just want to add one observation. Rev Dave said he helped Lissa because he was near her, in China. The accident was in Hunan and he lives in Taiwan. Taiwan is near China, but it's an island people! Does he have super powers now? I am not hateful, just don't try to understimate my intelligence and fool me. And Rev Dave, you don't have to explain what happened at all. It's up to you. If you feel like doing it, it's ok, if you don't feel like giving details, it's still ok. Just don't try to fool us and change our focus. We have the right to think everything was a big tasteless joke, we have no evidences of anything. Everything that's happening now involving your name and our is unfair, real or not. Like I said, you don't have to prove anything the same way we don't have to believe in this story. Passar bem! |
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| Colin | Jan 24 2009, 10:38 PM Post #239 |
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The problem with a small lie is that you let it grow and get bigger, in the end it gets so big that you have to lie even more just to conceal the truth and it ends up ruling your life. Do you tell the truth and suffer the humiliation or do you keep the lie knowing that it's going to continue growing, which will obviously make things even worse? I suspect that's the dilemma Reverend Dave faces, he can't bring himself to tell the truth even though he knows he's making things worse for himself and everyone else. |
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| temptresss | Jan 24 2009, 11:06 PM Post #240 |
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if it's indeed a lie, and i'm STILL giving him the benefit of the doubt, what DOES he get out of this? that is what ponders the mind. what's in it for him? absolutely NOTHING. so why? gawd... |
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| Bag O' Nails | Jan 25 2009, 02:33 AM Post #241 |
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In the famous words of Fox Mulder..."I WANT TO BELIEVE." Rev Dave...please...a very simple link to an obituary would put the doubts to rest. I've always liked you... Please?
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| Dorfliedot | Jan 25 2009, 02:39 AM Post #242 |
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Even if it is the truth or not. I still like them. I like Mia since of humor. I also, Liked Lissa too. |
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| Deleted User | Jan 25 2009, 02:43 AM Post #243 |
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I like Mia too, whoever she/he is. |
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| Dorfliedot | Jan 25 2009, 02:48 AM Post #244 |
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I know you do Michelle. |
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| temptresss | Jan 25 2009, 03:45 AM Post #245 |
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i don't like liars. |
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me too lass. when i pop off this mortal coil there will probably be 3 obits on me, Belfast Telegraph, Liverpool Echo and Southern Evening and I am just an ordinary so and so. In this country anybody who dies abroad and the body is brought back is dealt with by the Corners Court. Please note we even have Corners Inquests on soldiers killed in action in Afghanistan and Iraq. |
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| Dorfliedot | Jan 25 2009, 08:37 AM Post #247 |
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Temp, A lair can come in many shape and forms. In addition, can even appear to be honest. Their Stories can take shape and make them seem to be Nice. However, beware a sheep in sheep clothing. They can also, be hypercritic too. They can appear to be your friend. However, be a backstabber in disguise. |
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| temptresss | Jan 25 2009, 03:08 PM Post #248 |
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yes, dots, that's why i don't like liars. and IF this was all lies it was very, very hurtful to the first degree for some. cruel and hurtful. |
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| mspeel 007 | Jan 25 2009, 03:34 PM Post #249 |
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I don't believe what I'm reading here!!!! I guess I've been clueless as to what's been going on...I just thought Lisa was a long time SF member, and died a tragic death! IF this is a prank, it's not very funny!!!!!
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| Rose | Jan 26 2009, 01:58 AM Post #250 |
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| Dorfliedot | Jan 26 2009, 05:41 AM Post #251 |
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Oh, me bad. I meant Wolves in sheep clothing on..
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| iscreamer1 | Jan 27 2009, 02:19 PM Post #252 |
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Actually I liked sheep in sheeps clothing. Think about it! |
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| BeatleBarb | Jan 27 2009, 03:38 PM Post #253 |
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| Aimee Wilbury | Jan 27 2009, 03:40 PM Post #254 |
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| Queenbee | Jan 28 2009, 04:46 AM Post #256 |
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| Old Brown Shoe | Jan 28 2009, 09:45 AM Post #257 |
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This whole things shocking. I didnt really know Mozart except when i was criticised for my spelling and the fact that none of my PMs that i sent were ever answerd.If the so called Rev is the perpetrator may he rot in hell.
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| Bill | Jan 28 2009, 11:09 PM Post #258 |
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Which all goes to show that everyone reveals only as much of themselves in a public forum as they choose to. So why is Peter not being hounded for proof of who he claims to be. And why should we want it? I think a lot of people have proved Dave's point that no matter what he says, people will take it as proof of their theory. Or maybe that's just what he wants us to think.
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| Bill | Jan 28 2009, 11:11 PM Post #259 |
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Bingo! I'll give everyone a hint: you're not going to find any official records of mine by searching for Bill. Or William. |
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| Colin | Jan 28 2009, 11:36 PM Post #260 |
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I've seen Peter in person so he's who he says he is, unless he's an imposter of course
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| temptresss | Jan 28 2009, 11:40 PM Post #261 |
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no one questioned lissa's existence until she became deceased. then those who really enjoyed her presence or felt a connection to her were distraught and wanted to pay their condolences... at that point things started seeming suspicious. people grieved over her and had signatures and quotes all over their thread entries as a tribute to her. to think she might not have ever been...well, that leaves a whole lotta tender-hearted people with mixed emotions. and dave made no point whatsoever. all he said was he was 'shocked' no one believed him and a bunch of jibberishness followed. HE MADE NO POINTS at all and just expected that we should take him at his word. and this IS the internet so not always possible to do. and, yes, it would be nice to know if someone grieved over was a real person or goldilocks. |
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| Bill | Jan 28 2009, 11:48 PM Post #262 |
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You claim you have, but how do I know you are real? Tempty, in future, please post links to corroboratory evidence for everything that you post. It's nothing personal, it's just that you can't expect us to take you at your word.
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| temptresss | Jan 29 2009, 12:02 AM Post #263 |
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i'm beginning to think YOU were lissa, or dave, at least. don't p*ss me off... = 'skirt the issue'.
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| Bill | Jan 29 2009, 12:19 AM Post #264 |
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There's no issue being skirted. I'm just pointing out the extreme double standards being applied to Dave. No-one accused John of being a liar because he didn't post a link to Tim's obituary. |
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| temptresss | Jan 29 2009, 01:23 AM Post #265 |
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i wasn't around for that situation but if people talked to john on the phone and/or got details maybe it was different. i doubt someone sounding just like Tim entered the scene after his tragic death. perhaps in that situation things were different. i wasn't here so can't say. we can guess all we want but it all seemed a bit too shady for me and i'm a pretty good judge of character (not always, though). if you 'bought it' then at least you don't have to feel like a fool. |
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| kink | Jan 29 2009, 01:24 AM Post #266 |
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on again, off again
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didn't Dave say that was her name? or was he lying?
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| kink | Jan 29 2009, 01:25 AM Post #267 |
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on again, off again
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didn't Dave say that was her name? or was he lying?
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| temptresss | Jan 29 2009, 01:30 AM Post #268 |
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i wasn't around for the john issue so i can't really comment. perhaps people talked to john and/or tim on the phone or knew him. i've no idea. i can only say the rev.dave/lissa/adilah/mia issue seemed a bit too shady to me. if you 'bought into it' then at least you don't have to feel like a fool. |
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| Queenbee | Jan 29 2009, 01:37 AM Post #269 |
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I don't see where your post moderation came from, maybe Mindy or Gaye will know. |
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| BeatleBarb | Jan 29 2009, 01:53 AM Post #270 |
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Well, I for one, still wish the padre happy birthday....again! Crimany - the mystery continues. I really am done with it all, but I couldn't resist another birthday wish. |
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| Jacaranda | Jan 29 2009, 01:58 AM Post #271 |
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Unless I'm missing something here Bill about what you are saying, I was not in any way implying anything about Peter himself. What I was getting at is that the "rather large iceberg" is the mass of many people that do not believe that Lissa was a real person. Many different people, several of which reached their conclusions independently of each other, many of which had no personal grudge against Rev. Dave, Mia, Lissa or Adilah. |
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| Merry | Jan 29 2009, 02:32 AM Post #272 |
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Just my two cents worth, but if read over the original thread that Andy started about 'Lissa's' death, you will still find a link to her web site, which contains the memorial from her family and friends, and they all referred to her as 'Lissa'. Unless someone went to a great deal of trouble to conceal her real name and altered it within the page, that's what I would assume it was. Merry |
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| Jacaranda | Jan 29 2009, 02:39 AM Post #273 |
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| Merry | Jan 29 2009, 02:42 AM Post #274 |
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If you read over Andy's original thread announcing Lissa's death, you can still find a link to her web site and the memorial that was posted from her family and friends. They all referred to her as 'Lissa'. Unless someone went to a great deal of trouble to conceal her identity, I would assume that's who she was. Though I did feel that it lacked the more formal heading that one would ordinarily see on a memorial, such as a 'In Memory of... Lissa' with her last name. Merry |
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| Jacaranda | Jan 29 2009, 02:47 AM Post #275 |
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| Merry | Jan 29 2009, 02:50 AM Post #276 |
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If anyone would care to read over Andy's original thread about Lissa's death, you will find the link to her website is still there, as well as the memorial that was posted by her family and friends. They all referred to her as 'Lissa'. Unless someone went to a lot of trouble to change the page to conceal her name, I would assume that's what it was. I also recall her saying that it was hard to pronounce, not easy to say in English, but she accepted 'Lissa', whatever that might mean. Merry
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This is what happened to me a long time ago. (A true story, please BELIEVE or else) I met a guy on a message board. We became close virtual friends. Both of us worked in Central and South America teaching a dead language (latin) to poor kids. We have been to Belize, Nicaragua, Panama and our last mission was in the *Easter Island, Chile. The name of the Mission was:" Latinization of Latin America". . We taught the dead language (latin) to all statues. Those statues with Anakena hats were smarter than the others. They used their telepathy to learn latin, very impressive. If you don't like to share your thoughts, never go there. My mind was like an open book there. All statues knew my secrets. This guy from Florida, the one I met online, worked there too. I still don't know why we didn't meet before. Maybe we did? After sharing our experiences online we decided to meet in person. I was living in Bahamas. We met there and what a wonderful person he was. Good looking, intelligent, funny...and...RICH! One of his many talents was to be the reincarnation of Homer. I was proud to be by his side. Homer, wow!!! I told him I wrote poems inspired by The Iliad. He was like :"And??? I wrote the Iliad dear, get real!" Our meeting was fabulous and we were planning a trip to Argentina's Patagonia and other places in S.A. We talked about how South America is stereotyped and still "unknown" for the rest of the world. He wanted me to help him with a project he had. His projects were: A book of photography, a book of tourism, a book of international cuisine, a book of Russian female poets etc. I was flattered. He gave me a box full of tea. "Exotic flavours from Thai" I returned to Bahamas and he returned to somewhere in Florida. He wanted to adopt a boat full of Cubans. It was March 16, 2004. I was at a nudist beach somewhere in Nassau (in case you don't know, I own Nassau), wearing a glamorous floppy hat and original Jackie O. oversized sunglasses, with a glass on coconut water in one hand and a in my other hand, a book (how to attract a Scorpio guy) when a bottle came to me, rolling. No, I was not on anything I swear. I opened the bottle and the message was:"Your cyber friend from Florida needs help." There was a map showing me how to get there shortly. In 1 minute I was there. I called for help, we took him to the hospital. Unfortunately he lost his head in the accident but he was speaking the second official language of Italy, hands language. Thanks God I had Italian hand classes in Sao Paulo. He died when he tried to sneeze. He didn't have a nose. I didn't know what to do. I told him: "Find another hole to sneeze!!!". There was despair in my voice. His last words were:" Chemically and technically, a sneeze is not a fart". I miss him. with love Me, the internet girl. I'm Michelle, at night, find out more about Michelle at www.swimminginthepoolwithoutwater.com * Easter Island is not inside the East Island and no, chocolate eggs don't grow in trees there |
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| bluemeanie | Jan 29 2009, 03:03 AM Post #278 |
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can you show us the link please Merry coz I cant see it apart from 'rev daves' email addy and a phone number |
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| Queenbee | Jan 29 2009, 03:05 AM Post #279 |
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Ahhhhh yes humour! Thank you Michelle for a breathe of fresh air. You should write a book.
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| Merry | Jan 29 2009, 03:07 AM Post #280 |
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I'll sure try, Jayne! Now I notice that all my 'failed' attempts at posting earlier have popped up, after all! Sorry about that! Merry
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| bluemeanie | Jan 29 2009, 03:08 AM Post #281 |
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ok just found it again BUT its 'suddenly'under new managementLissa's 'suppose' page |
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| bluemeanie | Jan 29 2009, 03:11 AM Post #282 |
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ok - i might of skipped through it quickly - but where is her surname?? |
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| Merry | Jan 29 2009, 03:13 AM Post #283 |
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Ah yes, you beat me to it by a couple of minutes...but that's it! I thought it was a little beneath her, as intelligent as she was, but the memorial is still there. Merry
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| bluemeanie | Jan 29 2009, 03:19 AM Post #284 |
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it says its a memorial - but I know from experience - email addy's and/or links are normally displayed so you could contact the person leaving the 'message' why are people's surnames or even country of origin not shown?? Sorry for being negative over this but after many hours of research over a person and their so called publicised life - why is nothing available about her ??? |
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| Merry | Jan 29 2009, 03:26 AM Post #285 |
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That's part of the 'mystery', Jayne. We only have a first name (if that) to go on, and other gaps in the whole thing have created the whole controversy. I can understand respecting a person's privacy, but she was a performer and did so around the world, or so we have been told, so I wouldn't think it would be a breach of confidentiality if we know about what it's all about. Merry
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| BeatleBarb | Jan 29 2009, 04:21 AM Post #286 |
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I would just like to wish the padre happy birthday...again.....just another associated mystery. Michelle - you are hysterical and I mean that in a good way.
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| Bill | Jan 29 2009, 05:32 AM Post #287 |
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I didn't realise that was what you meant. Of course, icebergs can be traced to the tip. |
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| Bill | Jan 29 2009, 05:48 AM Post #288 |
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It was always called that. Lissa never took herself as seriously as some. |
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| Bill | Jan 29 2009, 05:50 AM Post #289 |
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Everyone who knows me will tell you my name is Bill. That's what I'm called. But you will never find me as Bill or William on any official documents. I would have thought that any fan of James Paul McCartney would understand that.
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| mspeel 007 | Jan 29 2009, 06:04 AM Post #290 |
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Well....I will let you ALL in on one secret..............I AM THE WALRUS....
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| Deleted User | Jan 29 2009, 06:06 AM Post #291 |
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Isn't the real issue whether or not it is appropriate to give the name of a deceased person to dozens, if not hundreds, of her friends and admirers, a year and a half after she has died? I don't understand why there should still be a shroud of secrecy surrounding someone for whom virtually every facet of her life has been released, including terrible things from her childhood and her tragic death. It's so odd that Reverend Dave would be able to put together such a detailed and intimate biography of Lissa a mere 72 hours after she died after only knowing her for a few months and having just met her a matter of weeks before her death. How did he he get familar enough with her mother in less than a few months to get her to open up in such incredible detail, especially during a period of grieving? If the information was readily available online, I think some clue might have been found by other members of this forum. When Americans die in China, often the family members are not even notified within 72 hours, much less able to give relative strangers complete biographies that read like a movie screenplay. |
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| Dorfliedot | Jan 29 2009, 06:10 AM Post #292 |
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Personally, I can careless if any you like me or judge me which most of you do. On the other hand, think I am a lair. I know the truth and that is all that is all that count. In addition, god knows too. Oh, if I forgot to leave something out I guess, I can live with that too. Can you? |
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| Bill | Jan 29 2009, 06:13 AM Post #293 |
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The question is why we are owed an explanation for anything. Who was that girl in the photo? What is her full name? Can you provide a link to her government records? How did you meet? Where does she live? The answer to all these questions is Mind your own business. Whatever any random board member might consider appropriate is irrelevant. The only thing that matters is what Lissa would have wanted. I don't give out my last name on forums. I just don't and that's all there is to it and I wouldn't want anyone else giving it out even if I'd been dead for a year and a half. That's my choice and no-one else's. If others don't care so much, that's their business. I choose to protect my privacy that way. I also choose to respect others' privacy. And it's my opinion that others should too. |
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| temptresss | Jan 29 2009, 06:17 AM Post #294 |
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just went to 'lissa's page' and the counter only showed 3 people have been there. WTF? another thing i've found odd is that mia has never come back...just when dave did for that minute to tell us how disappointed he was in us. only then she came around for a few comments and once again disappeared. she seemed a very sarcastic person and i can't imagine why she hasn't come here to laugh in our faces at our 'theory'. anyone ever see the movie Sybil? |
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| temptresss | Jan 29 2009, 06:19 AM Post #295 |
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to show how gullible i can be, michelle, i believed everything you were saying until you said you owned Nassau. sad, isn't it? |
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| Bill | Jan 29 2009, 06:26 AM Post #296 |
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Once again, people commented on that way back when. Check out the properties and you'll see the image name is "Fake counter." It's a joke. Just because a few people don't get (or notice) the joke doesn't mean it's anything sinister. Even dead people have (or had) senses of humour. As for Mia, trust me, she's laughing. Just because people don't react to a certain situation as you might, doesn't mean they are not real people. If people don't respond to this message exactly as I expect then to, I will assume you're all imposters.
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| temptresss | Jan 29 2009, 06:31 AM Post #297 |
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ok, well, i never went to that site before when all this was going on and i only briefly went there tonight. what's your theory about where mia is these days? |
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| temptresss | Jan 29 2009, 06:38 AM Post #298 |
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also, how did you get mia's blog address? |
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| Dorfliedot | Jan 29 2009, 06:38 AM Post #299 |
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You are never going to know. |
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| Bill | Jan 29 2009, 06:38 AM Post #300 |
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It's not for me to have any theories about where Mia is. It's none of my business and, with all due respect, it's none of yours either. My guess about where she is, what she's doing, wearing, eating or think about is no better than my guess about about Judy, Doris, John, or the suddenly mysterious Andy. However, I know enough about irony to know from her latest posts that Mia is definitely laughing. |
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Merry



I think Merry meant the other Judy

you cant FULLY explain your actions or publicising your knowledge about the issue - prove it or else be condemmed

I guess I've been clueless as to what's been going on...I just thought Lisa was a long time SF member, and died a tragic death!
IF this is a prank, it's not very funny!!!!!

and you didn't think you'd be missed!

Sorry about that!

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