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Lissa (mozart8mytoe); The "mystery"
Topic Started: Jan 14 2009, 02:15 AM (6,141 Views)
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OK, here's another part of my overall reason for feeling jaded by the whole internet forum thing and for some of you, this suggestion may come as a shock. For others, not so much.

A few members have voiced the opinion that Lissa (mozart8mytoe) never actually existed. Or still exists as someone else. Or always was someone else. This theory was put to different members of the moderating team at different times and, once one of us brought it up and we started comparing notes, we've been pondering and trying to find out more about it over the last month or so.

I did some research work based on IP addresses and it turns out that the mozart8mytoe account was always operated from one specific place which was not New York and, in fact, originated from the exact geographical place as another member who posts here. The same person who informed me of her death, Reverend Dave.

We have attempted to contact Reverend Dave by PM and e-mail, but have, as yet, received no reply. Of course, Reverend Dave isn't the only person who was reported to have met Lissa - Adilah is also supposed to have met her. However, the theory then expanded to Adilah, Lissa and Reverend Dave being the same person.

Then we have Mia Culpa, who just appeared on our board from nowhere. I suppose, in all fairness, like many people. Lots of people have (innocently) remarked on how similar she and Lissa are in their posting manner. She has also met Reverend Dave.

Now, these could be four seperate people. There could be a completely innocent explanation for all of this, but I have definitely come round to believing the theory that Reverend Dave, mozart8mytoe, Mia Culpa and Adilah are all one and the same person. Four intelligent, conservative leaning, international traveling people who have met each other and yet nobody else here. Curiouser and curiouser, as Lewis Carroll once said.

I have truly wanted it not to be true ever since the idea was put to me. I was emotionally affected by Lissa's death and I really hate to feel as if my emotions have been played. However, there isn't any evidence of Lissa's existence beyond the virtual world - not that I've seen, anyway. Many of us have grieved for Lissa - and, if she was real, this whole theory has tainted her memory. However, if she wasn't real... well, and this is an understatement, it was a bit of a cruel trick to play on us all.

Anyway, seeing as the forum is being wrapped up, I thought that I would share that with you all. It's an interesting theory and it'd be nice if it could be disproved or perhaps even admitted by the person or person(s) involved. There will be no consequence and, when this forum is switched off at the end of the month, they can just disappear into the night.

Remember folks, the only evidence we have is circumstantial and there could be four completely innocent people behind this - but I remain to be convinced. So - there you go. You know everything I know about it and I'd rather it be out in the open than be the moderators' badly kept secret.
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I saw that coming for a long time. Sorry Andy we were part of such a lousy scam. It was too perfect in the sense, written like a book.

PEACE and love to my friends, Judy

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Till me meet again ~ I Love you Mike! You were one of a kind.
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I thought I was crazy. Since the first time Mia posted I noticed it. All the China thing was too much. I told Bill about it he said they were not related. The only person who understood me was Dorothy.

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I didn't know about any of that. We had a schizophrenic member of Sean's next door and we just treated her/them with kid gloves until she quit, then rejoined, quit again, rejoined with another name and 'friends' and then various of her friends quit, etc. on and on ad nauseum. I thought it was both simultaneously sad and amusing. Others got highly irate at the charades.
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I'm not surprised in the slightest and have been aware its been suspicious for a while
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Oh, by the way, just to come clean about something - the member knows as Venus & Mars, the animal rights whacko, well, that was me. It wasn't my personality and they weren't my views - in fact, amusingly enough, I took many views and argument points from PeTA directly, but I did want to test the waters to see how someone new like that would be received on the board.

It was amusing for five whole minutes. Especially when I got warned and moderated.
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Well Andy, I would hate to think that we'd been 'played', but to be honest with you, Gary and I had been wondering the same thing, particularly with the fact that Mia seemed so much like Lissa. What a strange (weird) situation if that IS the case. We were heartbroken when Lissa's tragic death was announced via Rev. Dave.

You know, I hope that's not the case, but you know there are all sorts of people on the internet, and well, you never can tell, as we have found out.

I've noticed that Mia hasn't been around since Dotty called her out the other day. Perhaps her silence speaks louder than words.

Yes, it is quite a 'mystery'!


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i have always thought this was all a bit shady. from the day mia arrived and sounded like lissa (mia = missing in action)...the wheels in my head were going round and round and i am convinced they are all the same person. i mean, odd that dave is in China, yet met three "perfect women" (who oddly all knew each other, what a small world this must be) from israel. if this is the case, this was MORE than a cruel joke, playing with people's emotions. it was sacreligious, if you ask me. but this is the internet and people can be NASTY here. i'm sorry for the people that may have fallen for it, mourned her, used her quote in signatures. in a perfect world, this would NOT be the case. if anything, BEATLE PEOPLE are usually so honest about things.

if rev. dave is so religious and god-fearing, he'd show his face and come clean. not that he hadn't already lost my respect. anyone calling themself a rev. would not have 'betrayed' everyone here.

i thank you, andy, for bringing this 'mystery' up. i hope it served whatever purpose rev. dave's intentions were.
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Michelle ~ i also mentioned in the Welcome thread when Mia joined I thought she wrote like someone else. Not quite as wicked as Lissa but close enough. I also spoke to Bill about what I suspected. Then is Reverend Dave a reverend??
I received an email from him doing a questionnaire.

One more question ~ How did Bill do his musical radio show of her playing the piano and Adilah singing Funny Valentine?

Some people are either very lonely or sick or maybe wanted to make a point how the internet can fool you or all of these.

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Till me meet again ~ I Love you Mike! You were one of a kind.
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Oh, by the way, just to come clean about something - the member knows as Venus & Mars, the animal rights whacko, well, that was me. It wasn't my personality and they weren't my views - in fact, amusingly enough, I took many views and argument points from PeTA directly, but I did want to test the waters to see how someone new like that would be received on the board.

It was amusing for five whole minutes. Especially when I got warned and moderated.
Did I miss out on that or have I just forgotten? I would hate to think I missed debating with you disguised as an animal rights whacko... :ponder:
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Again I'm kind of just thinking this just says a lot. This internet world can not always be seen as real. You dont know who you are really talking to and what image they are giving to the world
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Ever wanting to be fair and balanced (and to avoid lawsuits), I must stress that there is the possibility that any one (or all) of Reverend Dave, Adilah, Mia Culpa and mozart8mytoe are completely innocent and that this is the product of creative minds running riot.

I have my own beliefs and I'm sure that you all do too, but innocent until proven guilty, as the law in most of our respective lands states.
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Jan 14 2009, 02:30 AM
Michelle ~ i also mentioned in the Welcome thread when Mia joined I thought she wrote like someone else. Not quite as wicked as Lissa but close enough. I also spoke to Bill about what I suspected. Then is Reverend Dave a reverend??
I received an email from him doing a questionnaire.

One more question ~ How did Bill do his musical radio show of her playing the piano and Adilah singing Funny Valentine?

Some people are either very lonely or sick or maybe wanted to make a point how the internet can fool you or all of these.
Judy, we talked about so many things via pm I'm not sure if we talked about it, but yes I remember your comment.

To be honest I disliked so much Rev Dave. I remember I sent Bill an e-mail about Rev. Dave too.

Poor Bill :P

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Maybe they were the same person singing and playing, who knows?
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Jan 14 2009, 02:33 AM
Ever wanting to be fair and balanced (and to avoid lawsuits), I must stress that there is the possibility that any one (or all) of Reverend Dave, Adilah, Mia Culpa and mozart8mytoe are completely innocent and that this is the product of creative minds running riot.

I have my own beliefs and I'm sure that you all do too, but innocent until proven guilty, as the law in most of our respective lands states.
My mind is very creative :giggle:
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Jan 14 2009, 02:32 AM
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Jan 14 2009, 02:27 AM
Oh, by the way, just to come clean about something - the member knows as Venus & Mars, the animal rights whacko, well, that was me. It wasn't my personality and they weren't my views - in fact, amusingly enough, I took many views and argument points from PeTA directly, but I did want to test the waters to see how someone new like that would be received on the board.

It was amusing for five whole minutes. Especially when I got warned and moderated.
Did I miss out on that or have I just forgotten? I would hate to think I missed debating with you disguised as an animal rights whacko... :ponder:
No, the character lasted for less than a week, before you joined. It was just a one-off experiment while I was taking a sabbatical from the board.

I pretty much got slaughtered by many of the membership at the time for being rude and disrespectful and cut it short when it got a bit too heated.

You can use the membership list and find that member to look at my posts as Venus & Mars, but I do stress that they aren't necessarily my opinions, they're more like a humanised PeTA mission statement.
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Ever wanting to be fair and balanced (and to avoid lawsuits), I must stress that there is the possibility that any one (or all) of Reverend Dave, Adilah, Mia Culpa and mozart8mytoe are completely innocent and that this is the product of creative minds running riot.

I have my own beliefs and I'm sure that you all do too, but innocent until proven guilty, as the law in most of our respective lands states.
I liked Mia, slightly disagreed with Adilah on the Good Zoo, Bad Zoo thread, didn't know mozart8mytoe and wasn't able to form an opinion of Revend Dave, but he seems OK from the few posts that I read. Of course, I am a SF n00b... :huh:
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we want answers.
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Oh, by the way, just to come clean about something - the member knows as Venus & Mars, the animal rights whacko, well, that was me. It wasn't my personality and they weren't my views - in fact, amusingly enough, I took many views and argument points from PeTA directly, but I did want to test the waters to see how someone new like that would be received on the board.

It was amusing for five whole minutes. Especially when I got warned and moderated.
that was obvious, Andy :P

The whole Lissa thing is extremely interesting. I've discussed this with a couple of people before. I'm glad it's finally out in the open. Why would somebody waste time and energy to do all this is beyond me.
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I did some research work based on IP addresses and it turns out that the mozart8mytoe account was always operated from one specific place which was not New York and, in fact, originated from the exact geographical place as another member who posts here. The same person who informed me of her death, Reverend Dave


Andy
When Lissa "died" she was in China maybe that's why her posts were originated from the exact geographical place ?

What about Mia and Adilah? They post from where?


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Oh, by the way, just to come clean about something - the member knows as Venus & Mars, the animal rights whacko, well, that was me. It wasn't my personality and they weren't my views - in fact, amusingly enough, I took many views and argument points from PeTA directly, but I did want to test the waters to see how someone new like that would be received on the board.

It was amusing for five whole minutes. Especially when I got warned and moderated.
that was obvious, Andy :P

yes I think there were a few of us who sussed you out there haha... its not nice getting moderated is it :giggle: :P
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Maybe you planned everything to entertain us Andy?

Everything is possible :whistle:
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That thought crossed our minds too, Michelle, however, mozart8mytoe's IP address for the whole time she posted on the board originated from Taiwan, just like Dave's.

Adilah and Mia Culpa are both on non-geographic proxy servers and their IP origin cannot be traced.

Considering the amount of people who use this board, that is quite rare. Most people have static IP addresses.
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That thought crossed our minds too, Michelle, however, mozart8mytoe's IP address for the whole time she posted on the board originated from Taiwan, just like Dave's.

Adilah and Mia Culpa are both on non-geographic proxy servers and their IP origin cannot be traced.

Considering the amount of people who use this board, that is quite rare. Most people have static IP addresses.
Interesting :ponder:

Maybe Lissa returned home and became Mia/Adilah.

Rev Dave and Adilah don't post that often.

Another thing. Mia knew about Pm.com. She told me I didn't know her because I was always talking to Stefan at the Supernova thread.

:ponder:
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Maybe you planned everything to entertain us Andy?

Everything is possible :whistle:
No, I can quite honestly say that it wasn't me. I may have won the storyteller award for a couple of years running, but that level of deception is beyond my creative powers and ethical conscience.
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my first question would be: how do you sleep?
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I don't think this really needs to get nasty now does it
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No, it doesn't. I think knowing the truth is more important than being angry and it will help a lot of people move on.
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Christ sakes - I had no idea and I feel like such a played fool if it is true. Like so many of you, I have shared this story with so many people, felt awful about Rev. Dave's school, wanted to help out.....geez - for someone who is 55 and just got a degree, I feel like an idiot.
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Nobody should feel like an idiot.

Unless we have had extensive conversation with people or met people a few times nobody really knows who is sitting in front of their computer typing away
Edited by DCBeatle64, Jan 14 2009, 03:03 AM.
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I feel like an idiot.
Really? Let me feel... :hyper:
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Michelle ~ i also mentioned in the Welcome thread when Mia joined I thought she wrote like someone else. Not quite as wicked as Lissa but close enough. I also spoke to Bill about what I suspected. Then is Reverend Dave a reverend??
I received an email from him doing a questionnaire.

One more question ~ How did Bill do his musical radio show of her playing the piano and Adilah singing Funny Valentine?

Some people are either very lonely or sick or maybe wanted to make a point how the internet can fool you or all of these.
Well, people send me music to play.

The first piece from Lissa came from her email.
The song from Adilah came from her email. And the rest of Lissa's music came from Dave's email.
You also might remember that Dave spoke to us via a phone with a Taiwan prefix.

Like all great conspiracy theories, the official story has some holes in it, the conspiracy allegation does not add up (why go to such trouble to create the back-story? Lissa's website? Mia's 'blog? Why us?) and imaginations run wild in the space in between.

As Andy has pointed out, he has only revealed the allegation and some inconclusive results. It doesn't prove anything. Equally, it doesn't disprove anything.

While we're here, and since things I have said to people in private have become the subject of public speculation, I'll clear a few thing up too.

It's been put about and put to me that I'm some kind of idiot for falling for this scam.
All I ever did was put the case against the idea that Mia is Lissa.
Beyond that, I followed a few basic rules - innocent-until-proven-guilty and if you suspect someone, then you don't alert them to your suspicions until you have proof. I saw no point in playing with people's emotions any more.

If anyone feels cheated by any of that, then I apologise.
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No matter what people say I'll just believe in Mia, Adilah, Dave and Lissa if I see them together in person.

Like Dani said, it's internet, we don't know who's in the other side.

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For whatever it's worth, I'd just like to comment that Taiwan and China are not the same country. Although Taiwan is Chinese, the people there are quite separated from the mainland of China, and proud of their distinction. They prefer being thought of as Taiwanese. I know, because years ago I was an avid shortwave radio listener, and I picked up their radio shows. I even communicated with them for a while, and won a small short wave radio, but I digress!

Anyhow, my point is, if Lissa and Dave's IP addresses showed they were in Taiwan, then something is haywire, because that indicates that Dave's claims about living in China weren't true. :ponder:

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well, if it's true, i don't think people playing people's emotions to the extent this went deserves just a slap on the hand.
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Taiwan is an island governed by China I think.

It's funny that they all know China. Even Adilah went there to be with Rev Dave.
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yeah but can we not be bigger than that. I've always been warned to be careful on the internet because yu dont know who you are talking to
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I just need some time to digest this. It really sort of freaks me out.
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yeah but can we not be bigger than that. I've always been warned to be careful on the internet because yu dont know who you are talking to
Bingo!

It's only when people take things too seriously that it becomes a problem.
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Well, the supposed tragic death and story of a young person's life was serious to me.
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As it was to me. I cried many tears over this "death".
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I wasn't suggesting we shouldn't take that seriously. My point was that we only know each other through text here. People reveal as much of themselves as they choose to and they keep as much private as they choose to. That's something we just have to accept online. :sweet:
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i never really bought into it, though, as i hadn't come here that much at the time but i did do a lot of reading. thought it was odd there was nothing in the papers over in china. i also saw how hurt and upset people were over 'lissa's death'. that is playing with people's feelings, internet or not. that has to be a REALLY CRUEL person that could keep 'playing the game', if it was a game.

i guess i'm just disappointed that honesty means nothing to many. i'm just really disappointed in mankind in general these days.
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:wub: I would like to confess. I am guilty of having an alias or two here also.
If at all possible, can I give my award back to SF and let you give it to
billyshears.

BTW, that one of my aka's was the winner of the 2006 "Pointless Pencil Award."
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Damn you people. I really am gullible.
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I felt like a fool when I was told of this. A total fool for being so gullible and believing it. Who is the person in the picture Adilah sent me? She is so beautiful, but who is she?
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I'm with you,Linda. I tend to say what I mean, mean what I say and don't bullsh*t much. Like I said, this is really disappointing and upsetting me. I guess I should have known these things happen, but it feels like sh*t, doesn't it?
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:wub: I would like to confess. I am guilty of having an alias or two here also.
If at all possible, can I give my award back to SF and let you give it to
billyshears.

BTW, that one of my aka's was the winner of the 2006 "Pointless Pencil Award."
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You are/were billyshears?

Congratulations, I never sussed you once!

I spotted Luap quite early on though. ;)
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well, It about time. I been saying it.
Of course, You all thought I was a quack.
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:wub: I would like to confess. I am guilty of having an alias or two here also.
If at all possible, can I give my award back to SF and let you give it to
billyshears.

BTW, that one of my aka's was the winner of the 2006 "Pointless Pencil Award."
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You are/were billyshears?

Congratulations, I never sussed you once!

I spotted Luap quite early on though. ;)
Thank alot olen.
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I'm with you,Linda. I tend to say what I mean, mean what I say and don't bullsh*t much. Like I said, this is really disappointing and upsetting me. I guess I should have known these things happen, but it feels like sh*t, doesn't it?
Yes, it does, Barb and I'm sorry. As admin, I feel as if I should have spotted these things and been asking these questions a long time ago. It would be horrible to be that distrustful of every person who posted here and didn't feel like sharing every little thing about themselves with us. I mean, telling people who you are exactly isn't mandatory on message board, is it?

That's the internet, though. You think that you know who you're talking to and really it could be someone completely different. If it helps, at all, I felt completely stupid when I finally pieced together all of the things that just didn't fit - why didn't I think of these things 18 months earlier? This whole thing really knocked me for six when it was mentioned to me and everything thing I investigated just added another question mark to the whole story.

I guess all of the real people reveal themselves in the photo threads, at meet-ups and through their other online life.
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:wub: I would like to confess. I am guilty of having an alias or two here also.
If at all possible, can I give my award back to SF and let you give it to
billyshears.

BTW, that one of my aka's was the winner of the 2006 "Pointless Pencil Award."
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You are/were billyshears?

Congratulations, I never sussed you once!

I spotted Luap quite early on though. ;)
:lol: I'm not billyshears...but, I have had a few alteregos on here.
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What?? Olen is billyshears?? Is that right? Sure had me fooled.

And who is Luap?

I always felt suspicious about the whole Lissa thing because I never could find anything out on the internet about her. Then when Mia came along, I was very suspicious.

What makes someone want to play tricks on people like that. It is pretty sick if you ask me. I place a very big value on truth and honesty in both my daily life and my internet life. I could never pull something like that on people.

They must be rolling around laughing at all of us.
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ok, while we're all out in the open, i am also really BeatleBarb, LoveSculpture and Monkeychow.
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Like others here, I remember commenting in the early days about how similar Mia Culpa seemed to Lissa.

As for Adilah and Reverend Dave, how sad IF this has all been a hoax; there's fun and then there's twisted and guess which category this would be in if that were the case?

I do find a little odd the story now where Reverend Dave was notified of "Lissa's passing"; who really tells their family/friends/hospital about an internet friend she had met once or twice?
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You all could ask me I would told you. Matter fact I told others. I seen it as soon as Mia showed up.
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I do find a little odd the story now where Reverend Dave was notified of "Lissa's passing"; who really tells their family/friends/hospital about an internet friend she had met once or twice?
And how did he happen to be able to get to the hospital and contact her family? How was she able to joke about her toe through her pain?
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Gosh, darn! I hate to be right.

Wait, I am idoit no one beleves. Now, I don't look like such idoit do I? Wait, Untill I tell Maryann what I have been saying all long finely got figured out. By the way betsy knew it too.
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ok, while we're all out in the open, i am also really BeatleBarb, LoveSculpture and Monkeychow.
And I would like to confess that I am temptress and I am open for business... :innocent:

Actually, I was Sean Lennon for one whole post on Fantasy Island. :-/
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I had sent Andy an e-mail when Mia Culpa first started to post.......
Something wasn't right...
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dotty, i knew it before everyone. I'M THE WEINER!!! and i AM open for business.

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my next question would be, why did so many vote Mia best newcomer?
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dotty, i knew it before everyone. I'M THE WEINER!!! and i AM open for business.

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No, No! I have known it for a long time. I knew it before mia came. Nevertheless, I confirm it in my mind when mia came.
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my next question would be, why did so many vote Mia best newcomer?
Because, something to do. I like role playing too. Right now I role playing on myspace with the true blood clan.
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I feel like I can never trust anyone online again. Nuff said. :cry:

This totally kicks me in the stomach, because I never knew and never saw the signs. *sigh*

I need a hug and a stiff drink now. :pinch:
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I feel like I can never trust anyone online again. Nuff said. :cry:

This totally kicks me in the stomach, because I never knew and never saw the signs. *sigh*

I need a hug and a stiff drink now. :pinch:
Oh, god The horror of it all.
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Well, here's another clue for you all, the Walrus was Paul...
what an incredibly disappointing day this has turned out to be. f*ck that noise.

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I understand, Nancy. However, even if this has turned out to be a cruel hoax, what can we actually do about it? It is doubtful that any laws have been broken because there has been no financial gain. If it turns out to be true then you can vent your spleen as much as you want if it makes you feel better, but all I want to know is the truth, so I can stop mourning someone who may not have existed.
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I honestly wish we could know Andy. I suspect we never will, unless we miraculously receive either a full confession or some legitimate proof that these alleged characters are actually real people.
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~Mozart...the mysterious musical prodigy who "died" in a freak accident in a faraway land that no one could really confirm with the exception of one man...

~Adilah...the Muslim from the Mideast...always so "kind and perfect."

~Mia...the Jew from Israel who "saved" Rev Dave's life....who sounded just like Mia....who was very secretive about herself when pressed for info...

~Dave...the Reverend living in China who knew all these women....

Truth or Lies? We will never really know. And IF we ever do hear from one of these people again before the board closes down, WHO WILL BELIEVE ANYTHING THEY HAVE TO SAY? :ponder:

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ok, while we're all out in the open, i am also really BeatleBarb, LoveSculpture and Monkeychow.
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~Mozart...the mysterious musical prodigy who "died" in a freak accident in a faraway land that no one could really confirm with the exception of one man...

~Adilah...the Muslim from the Mideast...always so "kind and perfect."

~Mia...the Jew from Israel who "saved" Rev Dave's life....who sounded just like Mia....who was very secretive about herself when pressed for info...

~Dave...the Reverend living in China who knew all these women....

Truth or Lies? We will never really know. And IF we ever do hear from one of these people again before the board closes down, WHO WILL BELIEVE ANYTHING THEY HAVE TO SAY?

Not I.
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I see "Maybebaby" is viewing this thread.

I thought nobody "new" could get on SF.... :whistle:
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So, I have just one question, since so many of you seemed to know about this. How come this is just comingj out now??

By the way, I feel like a mushroom - left in the dark and fed sh*t!
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There are no new registrations. Maybebaby has been registered for a while.
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There are no new registrations. Maybebaby has been registered for a while.
OK sorry to sound so suspicious...lol...they only have 2 posts in a year & now they show up on this thread... everything around here is so strange today... :P
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So, I have just one question, since so many of you seemed to know about this. How come this is just comingj out now??

By the way, I feel like a mushroom - left in the dark and fed sh*t!
Nobody "knew" anything. All those saying they knew it had just noticed the similarity between Mia and Lissa in the way they express themselves.

All we know for certain now is a curious similarity of IP addresses.
Keep in mind that the board software has changed since we lost Lissa. I don't know whether all the IP addresses from before the changeover would be correct or if it just saved the last one. I'm not saying that's what happened, but it's a possibility worth considering.

As for treating people like mushrooms - and I'm speaking only for myself - I was never going to publically speculate on anything we didn't have hard evidence of. All we have now is circumstantial evidence. While the IP addresses are certainly suspicious, it's not clear evidence that we have been defrauded either. So no-one has been kept in the dark any more than anyone else. :)
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By the way, I remember telling Judy that she was welcome to share my assessment of the situation - which was based on the best of my knowledge at the time - with others if she wanted to.
Beyond that though, I am deeply disappointed that comments I shared with people in private have been shared and now made public.
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I have to say that I felt that Mia and Lissa's writings were to similar to not be the same people. That being said, the writings styles were always entertaining. Face it, though how can people from 4 different continents know each other? It was hard enough to get to meet Andy and Fiona in California much less meeting people (and saving one life) from 3 other continents more far apart than England (yes I know it is not a continent) to LA (not even a country but I think you get my gist).

Still :ponder: , it is a possibility.
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So, I have just one question, since so many of you seemed to know about this. How come this is just comingj out now??

By the way, I feel like a mushroom - left in the dark and fed sh*t!
Nobody "knew" anything. All those saying they knew it had just noticed the similarity between Mia and Lissa in the way they express themselves.

All we know for certain now is a curious similarity of IP addresses.
Keep in mind that the board software has changed since we lost Lissa. I don't know whether all the IP addresses from before the changeover would be correct or if it just saved the last one. I'm not saying that's what happened, but it's a possibility worth considering.

As for treating people like mushrooms - and I'm speaking only for myself - I was never going to publically speculate on anything we didn't have hard evidence of. All we have now is circumstantial evidence. While the IP addresses are certainly suspicious, it's not clear evidence that we have been defrauded either. So no-one has been kept in the dark any more than anyone else. :)
Yes, I knew. maybe, not had proof. however, did say it to others. not you or any mods or anyone who was going on and on about her. However, I still knew.
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As it was to me. I cried many tears over this "death".
And what about the little girl that was supposed to be adopted? Was she a story, too?
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Ok WHOAH! .. holy sh*t, I missed something here, alot of things actually. WTF!!

1) If this whole Mozart, Mia, Adilah, rev Dav thing is true .. then a big f*ck YOU to the person who played a trick on us.
How sick and twisted you are to sit there an fool the whole board about something as DEATH.

2) I have no alias's .. well I could sit here an say that my name isn't Liz, it's Beth, but both come from Elizabeth, so whatever.

3) Why is the board being shutdown and where did I miss that decision??

4) WTF!!

5) Where do we go from here.. because I for one actually enjoyed this board, it's going to feel strange to not be able to come to a place an talk to the friends that i've made here. I know there is always PM.com, but there's a sh*t load of other people there.
This is kinda scarey.. I'm gonna need time to process this.. :cry:
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Wo. This is crazy.
I wished I could save her in some sort of time machine.
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Oh no.. I nearly forgot about that little girl. This just makes me even MORE angry & upset. :angry:
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I never discussed this in private with Bill, but I have with a few other people.

I do remember asking Rev. Dave for an address for Lissa's family so I could send my condolences. He said that I would be a stranger to them. I still found that odd. I told him that my family knows very few of my friends from my adult life and I know if something happened to me, they would like the comfort from my friends. No response.

However, I didn't see the light.
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Well, here's another clue for you all, the Walrus was Paul...
I'm a cynic. Internet interaction has taught me that most people LIE.
That being said...I didn't really know "Lissa"...but I did notice her. I enjoyed reading what she had to say...
Her death made me really sad....but it also brought questions.
I looked like hell for her obituary...but never found a scrap of info. I found that odd.
Her life, her looks...everything about her was pretty damn near perfect...I found that odd.
Even still...I kept my thoughts to myself...and tried to believe that no one would f*ck over a forum of people like that.
Mia did make me wonder, too...
But Rev Dave?
I suppose if all the tidbits of info that was known about them...was pooled together...we all would have come to the same conclusion.
But, I accepted it...and because I didn't really give it that much thought after awhile...I gave Lissa the benefit of the doubt.
Well f*ck me.
It just goes to show...you should listen to your gut.
Mine tried to tell me something wasn't quite right. I ignored it.
It won't happen again.

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I had no idea they could all possibly be the same person :no: It just goes to show how careful we must be on the internet.

By the way I have no other names here and many have met me/seen pictures so you know I exist! :P
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I didn't hear anything about the possibility until really recently, but just couldnt, wouldn't believe it - thought it was just gossip. I cannot believe the extent someone would go to create this facade, especially about death, the adoption of a little girl, etc. I did notice the similarities between Lissa and Mia, but that was pretty much where it ended for me. Guess I'm way too naive and trusting.

If it is all fake, Lisa's life made for one incredible story or movie script.

The last time I heard from Reverend Dave was December 24th - I was inquiring about his school.
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When Rev Dave said he met Mother Theresa I felt so strange man...

I put him in a microscope.

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By the way, I remember telling Judy that she was welcome to share my assessment of the situation - which was based on the best of my knowledge at the time - with others if she wanted to.
Beyond that though, I am deeply disappointed that comments I shared with people in private have been shared and now made public.
I'm Sorry ~ I hope you know I didn't mean any offense to it. :duh: :pinch:

PEACE and love to my friends, Judy

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By the way, I remember telling Judy that she was welcome to share my assessment of the situation - which was based on the best of my knowledge at the time - with others if she wanted to.
Beyond that though, I am deeply disappointed that comments I shared with people in private have been shared and now made public.
I'm Sorry ~ I hope you know I didn't mean any offense to it. :duh: :pinch:
Bill knows we didn't mean to be offensive. It was a spontaneous comment, not a secret he told us to keep, it was nothing important about your life, your person. If that was so offensive, I apologize Bill. You know me more than everybody else here, you should know I didn't mean to disappoint you. Judy didn't mean to disappoint you.

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I cannot say I'm too shocked. It's macabre, the whole thing.

If anything it has confirmed that my gut feeling has been and is spot on.

I'm so sorry for all those here who 'grieved' and felt emotions, I know some were affected a lot.





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Oh no.. I nearly forgot about that little girl. This just makes me even MORE angry & upset. :angry:
And used. Like we were so much trash on one's shoe! :angry:
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I don't have a clue of what are you talking about!!! :ponder:

I didn't post here for a while (a loooong while) and I missed all the soap operas... :no:
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You know, what strikes me as strange is, if we were played, just how complex the whole thing was. It has to take quite a mind to create four different personalities, with individual backgrounds and histories. What would anyone want to go to all this trouble for, what would be the point?

I believed in Lissa. She seemed a softer soul 'behind the scenes' in PM's...not as tough as she appeared in her posts. She seemed to like me for some reason, and during one of my long breaks she went to the trouble of emailing me to see if I was okay. We weren't real close, but I thought it was touching that she seemed to care. I did try to research her too after she 'passed away'. I wasn't sure exactly who I was looking for, but I also tried to find an obituary for her, and went to several stores that carried classical music CD's, searching in vain for any clues. Her death affected me profoundly, and I shared my grief about this incredible young woman with Gary, my sons, and friends and co-workers. I just couldn't believe how someone as talented and brilliant as she was could die so tragically, and at such a young age.

I was never close to Rev. Dave, so to me he was an enigma, but I liked him. Some things he said took me close to the line of incredibility, but I wanted to believe that he was a selfless man of the cloth.

Adillah was also a gentle soul, kind and quite bright, herself. I believed in her too. I just couldn't quite fit together how she somehow got to meet Lissa, as well as Rev. Dave...it just didn't make sense.

And that takes us to Mia Culpa. Gary and I noticed the similarities right away...she was 'Lissa Lite'. I think I started to really doubt her when she claimed to have saved Rev. Dave's life...that was just going TOO far...I mean, come on! How was it that these four people's lives were so intertwined by coincidence? She also said that she attended Paul's concert in Israel and didn't have to go through any security check...that was another boast that struck me as odd.

So anyhow, it would be nice if one of these three people would come forward and give us some kind of explanation, just to solve this mystery, but I'm not so sure they will now.

It was just so intricate, it boggles my mind that someone would go to so much trouble for an elaborate hoax.

:) Merry


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I agree, Merry. I wish that whoever these people are would step forward and admit what they did.

When I think back, I found it odd that "Lissa" had told her "sister" that I liked to travel and if I wanted to use her apartment in NYC while she was out of town, to give me the key. Why hadn't she told me this? If she truly was going to let me do this, how was I to know to contact her "sister" and how was I to contact her sister?
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Merry I felt the same way about Mia. She seemed so softer 'behind the scenes' in PM's. She sent me a pm asking about my health and baby and I felt very touched. I feel like she could reach me anytime and I couldn't reach her. I still like her and I feel ridiculous because I have affection for someone I don't know, a stranger behind a username. I think now I learn the lesson. Virtual world? No thanks.
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Linda, did you try to contact Lissa about it through PM's? I wish you had, that might have helped us to work out some of the 'mystery' here. Her response may have been most interesting!

Michelle, I noticed you and Mia seemed to take to each other right away, and I really figured you had become close friends. I'm sorry that you didn't get to know her all that well, after all. Lissa was the same way, very caring underneath the rough facade.

I still don't understand internet 'alter-egos', or why anybody would feel the need for one, or two. ;)


:) Merry


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