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Alcohol - The pros and cons; Who indulges or has a story to tell?
Topic Started: Nov 21 2008, 09:20 AM (539 Views)
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One thing I have cut back on a lot in my life is drinking. When I was in my late teens and early twenties, I suppose you could say that I abused alcohol terribly and, when my marriage hit the rocks, in my late twenties, I hit the Scotch on the rocks. Actually, I didn't. I always had my single malts neat - but that's not the point.

My parents were alcoholics for years. Absolutely raging, violent, selfish, terrifying alcoholics. My early childhood was nice, but when I got past the age of around 7 or 8, my parents hit the bottle and didn't stop drinking for nearly two decades.

You'd think that having that kind of traumatic childhood and adolescence, I would have been put off from drinking, but, no - like the old phrase, "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em", I did, and started drinking when I was about 14. Even now, when I feel stressed, I have a desire to have a couple of pints, just to ease the stress - and that's probably not healthy, that's why I try not to do it.

Nearly every painfully stupid thing I have done in my life is because of alcohol. I have ended up in police cells and court because of it. I have made extremely questionable decisions when drunk and the hazy influence of drink was partly responsible for rushing into my first marriage... and the starting of a family when I was 20 years old.

Of course, I have to take personal responsibility for my behaviour. I blamed my parents for as long as I could get away with it, but, ultimately, if you're in your late twenties and still behaving like a drunken teenager, you have to accept that you have outlived your parents' influence. As you get older, if you don't learn from your mistakes, then there's little hope for you.

I think it is much more socially acceptable to drink in the UK than in many other countries. There are only a handful of countries which really embrace alcohol more than the UK, but it is part of our culture. When I socialise with my work colleages, it's never in the local branch of Starbucks, it's always down the pub. If I go to a concert, I like to have a couple of beers. If I meet up with my friend, it always ends up with us both nursing a hangover in the morning. I'm not sure this alcohol culture in the UK is particularly healthy.

Truth is, I enjoy the feeling that a modest amount of alcohol gives me - but anything more and I feel truly awful and I wake up worrying about conversations that I've had when my inhibitions are a little looser than they normally would have been. I'd love to just say that I'm never going to have a drink again - and I have said that a few times - but I think I'm kidding myself.

Apart from the odd over-indulgence, I don't really drink much at all. Maybe once or twice a month and only ever socially, so I don't have a problem, as such. However, I think that the benefits of alcohol are far outweighed by the problems that it brings. I've seen so many lives destroyed and have very nearly allowed my own to self-destruct. Thankfully, only nearly.

So, that's my story and my thoughts. I'd love to hear other members' thoughts and experiences.
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Pro's- I get some sleep

con- hang over the next day.

I haven't been drinking so, I have many nights up. and, tried in the morning when I have to baby sit. However, i feeling great about myself
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I've often wondered about starting a beer and wine thread for those who enjoy it but I've always held back because not everyone can simply enjoy one or two drinks and leave it at that. I didn't want to put temptation in front of anyone.

I'm lucky enough to be able to enjoy a few drinks and know when to stop. I'm also probably lucky in that I start to feel really sick long before I can really make a dick of myself. Perhaps my inhibitions are less easily shed.

One thing to remember is that whatever another's experiences are, that doesn't say anything about how it might effect you. There are some people who simply cannot have ONE drink - they're either teetotal or on a bender, there's no in between. That's why you should never talk anyone into having a drink if they decline the offer.
"Just one won't hurt you."
No, it won't. But for some people, there's no such think as just one.

As for the effect of alcohol, for me, it doesn't get any better than the two-drink buzz. And the biggest mistake anyone can make it thinking that if you feel that good after two drinks, you'll feel twice as good after four. It doesn't work that way. Two is as good as it gets, and if you can't stop after that, better not to have the first one.
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Nov 21 2008, 09:50 AM
I've often wondered about starting a beer and wine thread for those who enjoy it but I've always held back because not everyone can simply enjoy one or two drinks and leave it at that. I didn't want to put temptation in front of anyone.

I'm lucky enough to be able to enjoy a few drinks and know when to stop. I'm also probably lucky in that I start to feel really sick long before I can really make a dick of myself. Perhaps my inhibitions are less easily shed.

One thing to remember is that whatever another's experiences are, that doesn't say anything about how it might effect you. There are some people who simply cannot have ONE drink - they're either teetotal or on a bender, there's no in between. That's why you should never talk anyone into having a drink if they decline the offer.
"Just one won't hurt you."
No, it won't. But for some people, there's no such think as just one.

As for the effect of alcohol, for me, it doesn't get any better than the two-drink buzz. And the biggest mistake anyone can make it thinking that if you feel that good after two drinks, you'll feel twice as good after four. It doesn't work that way. Two is as good as it gets, and if you can't stop after that, better not to have the first one.
You are right bill. Because, people come over with beer and say, Dorothy just one beer. Come on just have one. I cannot stop at one beer. I want more after that. Alcoholism also, runs high in my family.

My niece who also, has a drinking problem came over with her boyfriend the other day He said, you want a beer I said no. He said oh, that right you do not drink Budweiser. Which I will. However, I prefer miller. Anyways, I told him no I do not drink during the day. In addition, not only that. I am going to stop drinking all together. In addition, I was proud of myself that night I did not buy any beer.

It is hard to stop when people like to drink in front of you. However, I doing well with not drinking’s
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High emotion, a bottle of tequila, and a camera last Thursday night. Not a pretty sight.

It's moments like these that make me want to never drink again.
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I show much more restraint nowadays than I did back in my 20's!!!!! :yes: I enjoy an occasional glass of wine or champagne(or prosecco)!!!! :whistle: I don't usually get to the point of having a hangover the next day!!! :pinch: ( I said USUALLY)!
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I have never had a beer in my life. I drink the occasional glass of wine that gets me high and that is quite enough.

I have no tolerance for drunks and their behavior. Drunks that drive infuriate me.
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Good timing Andy. You must be psychic, because last night I drank seven glasses of wine, which is the most I have drank in a single night so far this year. I was pretty much a pothead, alcoholic and cocaine abuser from my days in college right up until a few years before my kidney transplant, when it was explained to me that I would die if I did not stop taking drugs, drinking excessively and get the transplant, so I did. That was November 23, 2003. I got my transplant on March 1, 2005.

I was told by my transplant physician that two to three glasses of wine every other night or so wouldn't be harmful to my kidney, because the alcohol is processed by the liver, which was fine in my case. I used to drink excessively from the time I lost my job, my house and most of my friends from being diagnosed with End Stage Renal Disease in 1991 until I was forced to move back in with my parents in a separate apartment in 1995. I was on dialysis three days a week for four hours a day and was terribly depressed that I could no longer work and earn a living, so I partied every single Saturday night, drinking 1.5 liters of wine, about eight glasses, on my 'Party Night'.

Now, I try to drink in moderation, which for me, is a six-pack of beer during the week, which I usually make last two or three days, and then a 750ml bottle of inexpensive wine on the weekends. I give my dad or my girlfriend the first glass so that I am restricted to only three glasses. Occaisionally, I go overboard and indulge in binge drinking, which is defined as five or more drinks in a 24-period. I had seven glasses of wine last night and I am paying for it today by oversleeping, having a headache and being less productive than normal. I do not drink and drive, but I will drive after having only a single glass of wine or one beer.

For the past three years I kept a strict account of every single beer, glass of wine or mixed drink that I had, because I wanted to bring my consumption down below the standard definition of alcoholism, which I had read was more than 35 drinks in a one month period, but I just couldn't do it without quitting completely, which I have no desire to do at the moment. I tend to drink between 35 and 40 drinks per month with a high of 70, usually around the holidays from November to January. This is from WebMD:

You are at risk of drinking too much and should talk to your doctor if you are:

A woman who has more than 3 drinks at one time or more than 7 drinks a week. A standard drink is 1 can of beer, 1 glass of wine, or 1 mixed drink.

A man who has more than 4 drinks at one time or more than 14 drinks a week.

Click here to find out whether you may have an alcohol problem.
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Cons - waste too much money on it, you can't remember where you are, who you're with, why you are there, where you've left your nth drink, you have to get there and get back, can't drive after drinking

Pros - don't think there are any
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Cons - waste too much money on it, you can't remember where you are, who you're with, why you are there, where you've left your nth drink, you have to get there and get back, can't drive after drinking

Pros - don't think there are any
I don't think I drink quite that much! I spend about $10 per week on a six-pack and a bottle of wine, sometimes more. I was in my computer room with Mrs. Peel plotting a revolution...so there! I walked there from my living room. :P
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I spend about $12.00 on a large bottle of wine about once a month! ;)
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I spend about $12.00 on a large bottle of wine about once a month! ;)
Yes, but that's because you are a lady and not a hooligan like me. By the way, our revolution in San Marcos is going well. Soon all of the bananas will be ours and freedom will reign! :rofl:
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High emotion, a bottle of tequila, and a camera last Thursday night. Not a pretty sight.

It's moments like these that make me want to never drink again.
It's moments like these that make me want to see those pics... :devil:
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I spend about $12.00 on a large bottle of wine about once a month! ;)
Yes, but that's because you are a lady and not a hooligan like me. By the way, our revolution in San Marcos is going well. Soon all of the bananas will be ours and freedom will reign! :rofl:
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I have big time bad feelings about alcohol. It has brought extreme pain in my life and because of that I despise it. I can't even drink a glass of wine without feeling like a hypocrite, so I don't drink at all. Haven't really been drunk in 24 years.

I used to drink a lot in my early teens cause I thought it was cool to do. I made a lot of dumb mistakes and am lucky nothing really serious happened to me. By the time I was of age, I could have cared less about getting drunk, which was probably a good thing. Never really drank after I turned 21.

Unfortunately I live with an alcoholic and it makes me so crazy sometimes. I try to understand that it is a disease but it is so hard to be around and causes misery for my whole family. Addiction in any form can be hard to kick.

I can't find any pros but only cons. Alcohol is not something I can approve of.
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I spend about $12.00 on a large bottle of wine about once a month! ;)
Yes, but that's because you are a lady and not a hooligan like me. By the way, our revolution in San Marcos is going well. Soon all of the bananas will be ours and freedom will reign! :rofl:
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I used to drink a lot, I love cachaça with honey, I was addicted. Where I live there's no cachaça, there are many bad wines so I'm having my bier moment. I drink 2 bottles of McEwan's and get drunk . :blush:

The cons about alcohol is when you don't know when it's time to stop. I know when it's time to stop and I don't drink because I feel sad, lonely, depressed, to be out of orbit. I drink for fun, I like the flavour and I don't need alcohol everyday, to fake a smile, for example.

Anything in excess is crazy. Anything in excess is self-destructive.

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I can't find any pros but only cons. Alcohol is not something I can approve of.
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Over the last five years, the health benefits of moderate drinking have been widely celebrated in the headlines. To those who think everything enjoyable must be bad for you, this news might seem like a dream come true. Of course, there are many caveats � and these studies don't indicate that teetotalers should take up drinking or that infrequent drinkers should start drinking more. The operative word here is drinking in moderation. Studies show, for example, that health benefits only come with moderate drinking and are greatest for older men. And even moderate drinking is not recommended for women who are pregnant or thinking of becoming pregnant, or for people who are under 21.

The strongest medical evidence exists for the link between moderate drinking and a reduced risk of heart disease.

Dr. Kenneth Mukamal, an internist at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center and assistant professor at Harvard Medical School in Boston, was the lead author of a New England Journal of Medicine study examining the roles of drinking patterns and heart disease that found, after 12 year of follow-up, that men who consumed alcohol between three and seven days a week had fewer heart attacks than men who drank once a week. Below, Mukamal discusses the risk and benefits of moderate drinking.

Do we know why moderate drinking lowers heart disease risk? We think that a lot of the benefits of alcohol are on the blood vessels and on blockages in the arteries to the heart and to the brain. This might be related to alcohol's effect on the good cholesterol, the HDL cholesterol. In fact, alcohol affects HDL levels just about as strongly as any other lifestyle factor. People also think that alcohol may lower heart attack risk by acting as a blood thinner.

What are some of the other health benefits associated with moderate drinking? A wide variety of health effects have been attributed to moderate drinking. A lower risk of diabetes has been seen in women and men. There actually have been experiments done in which alcohol was administered over a couple of months to people without diabetes. In those studies, most of which have been conducted in women interestingly, it looks like moderate drinking improves the body's sensitivity to insulin. It may actually lower insulin levels altogether and may prevent diabetes through that mechanism.

More recently we've done some work on moderate drinking and dementia. We looked at a group of older adults in the United States � average age was in the mid-70s � and found a reduced risk. There has been some more work in slightly younger populations from Europe, and those studies have fairly consistently suggested that older adults who were drinking moderately may have a lower risk of dementia. We're not exactly sure what the mechanisms may be behind that. Some of it may very well be because drinking tends to occur in social settings and just the process of getting out and socializing may be an important way to prevent dementia. There is also evidence that moderate drinking may prevent silent strokes or other subtle types of brain injury that we know over time can predispose to dementia. I think it's still an area where we need some more investigation.

Is the pattern of alcohol consumption important?

In most of the studies that look at this issue, people have been asked 'How much alcohol do you usually drink?' When that question is asked, people take an average. For example, I drink 10 drinks a month. But 10 drinks a month is very different for someone who has them all on one night vs. someone who has them on 10 different nights of the month. That kind of detail surprisingly hasn't been available in most of the studies that have been devoted to this topic. In our study we tried to figure out the drinking pattern that's most closely tied to lower heart attack risk.

What we found in a study of about 38,000 men was that the key factor wasn't what men were drinking, or frankly even so much how much they were drinking at a time, but how frequently they were drinking alcohol. We found that men who were drinking at least three to four days a week or more had lower heart attack risks than people who had one drink a week.

We also have some very strong studies showing that heart disease risk, while lower amongst moderate drinkers, can be substantially higher among people who drink to excess even occasionally. They don't have to be drinking excessively every single night to potentially have a greater heart attack risk. Many of the effects of moderate drinking, such as acting as a blood thinner, are only true at moderate levels of drinking. Those effects actually go away and reverse if people drink too much.

What constitutes one drink?

What doctors usually consider a drink is basically a medium glass of wine, a 1.5 oz shot of spirits, or a can or bottle of beer. All of those have roughly similar amounts of pure alcohol in them. We usually define moderate drinking as up to one drink per day for adult women who aren't pregnant and up to two drinks per day for adult men. Some guidelines recommend that moderate drinking among adults over 65 be limited to one drink per day.

Are the heart benefits of alcohol consumption the same for men and women?

In general, when we're thinking about the putative health benefits of moderate drinking, they mostly apply to older people and to men. Issues for women and for younger individuals are much more difficult to sort out. The role of alcohol consumption in heart disease varies strongly by gender. The reason for that is twofold. On the one hand, women at any given age tend to have lower risks of heart disease than men do. As a result, the benefits of moderate drinking accrue disproportionately to men. At the same time, there are some particular risks of drinking for women that don't exist for men. There is some evidence that women may be particularly prone, for example, to liver disease related to drinking. Even moderate drinking may increase breast cancer risk.

And, while the effects on heart attack risk are roughly similar in men and women, I think it's even more difficult to determine what the ideal level of drinking ought to be for women than it is for men. I think it is fair to say that if young women in general are drinking with the expectation that there is some health benefit to it for them, they're probably mistaken. Young women are a group of people for which, as of now, we basically have no clear proof that the overall balance of alcohol's risks and benefits is going to work in their favor.

What are some of the risks of moderate drinking?

There is fairly consistent evidence that breast cancer rates are higher among women who drink moderately. I think that's important because obviously breast cancer is very common disease. I certainly think women at high risk for breast cancer should talk with their doctors about whether they should be drinking any alcohol. Another important risk, which is unrecognized for many people in this country, is that even moderate drinking among people with hepatitis C may increase their risk of permanent liver damage. Anybody who is known to have hepatitis C shouldn't be drinking any alcohol at all. People who have risk factors for hepatitis C ought to be tested because it will very substantially impact what the potential risks are related to moderate drinking. In addition, although we don't think moderate drinking necessarily clouds our judgment, it turns out that it probably does. In simulated driving tests that were done as far back as the 1950s, people have realized that at very low blood alcohol levels, simulated driving performance is impaired. When I say low blood alcohol, what I'm talking about is as low as .02 percent.

Some studies, for example, the analysis of the National Alcohol Survey, showed something similar. You begin to see higher risks of injury even when people are reporting one drink a day. That's why we still recommend that even moderate drinking occur in the home, preferably tied to meals. That is not so much because we find that that drinking with a meal is more likely to lower heart disease risk, for example, but because it's the safest way to prevent high blood alcohol levels that can get people into accidents.

What about people with a history of alcohol abuse?

Although it has been bantered back and forth, most people think that people who have a personal history of alcoholism very rarely can return to social drinking. People who, for personal or family reasons have never had alcohol before, at least as of now, probably shouldn't start drinking for any health reason.

What is your advice for an individual who is weighing the risks or benefits of moderate drinking?

It's hard to give any single piece of advice because of all the things we've learned about moderate drinking. The potential risks and benefits are going to vary by a person's health history, their age, sex and family history. The number of factors that would have to go into the decision is really very substantial. As a primary care doctor myself, these are long discussions that people should have with their doctor. I would not recommend that anybody go out tomorrow and start drinking alcohol simply on the basis of results that we and others have presented.

I would say that for people who are drinking moderately and are able to control it and don't have any of the absolute reasons why they shouldn't be drinking alcohol, that there is no evidence now that that's a bad thing to do.

Beyond that, I don't think right now we have enough evidence to say that anybody should take up drinking just for any particular benefit unless their doctors recommend that they do so.
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High emotion, a bottle of tequila, and a camera last Thursday night. Not a pretty sight.

It's moments like these that make me want to never drink again.
It's moments like these that make me want to see those pics... :devil:
We were heavy duty celebrating/comisserating and things got crazy - but it was just us girls. My niece and I do skits....ya had to be there and no pics are left. We tend to get very naked and we don't know why!! When we're together there isn't much we won't do. We have a certain history and life is pretty crazy for us both now. We don't drive, etc. Aside from drunk dialing, it is rather harmless. I don't know what I would do without her! Well, I think just one or two pics may be left that my daughter snapped and those will be disappeared soon! I like the no kissing and telling approach and everything will be ok!!
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Hey...guess what????? I'm on my second glass of pinot grigio!!!!!!! :whistle: (and my last)...I have to work tomorrow!!!!! :bemused:
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I'm a 'tea totaler', I rarely drink, and I believe it's hereditary because my parents were the same way.

I think I may have curbed any interest in alcohol I may have had back when I was sixteen.

My best friend and I decided to sample every type of liquor her dad had in the kitchen, and it was quite a variety too. Beer, Vodka, Whiskey, and some I can't even remember now, but we drained his entire cache and I spent the night sick as a dog, heaving into a paper bag held by her mother. I was too ill to even make my way out of bed, and it amazes me to this day how I didn't wind up choking to death...I just recall passing out off and on and being sick.

The next morning I continued the 'fun' by dry heaving and felt like death warmed over. Yes, that experience definitely cured me, to this day the thought of some of those things still makes me ill. I have been known to have a small drink socially, but overall I just stay away from the stuff. I much prefer non-alcoholic beverages, so to me, there are no pro's, only con's.

I don't like the way people behave when they're drunk; even as a child they frightened me and as I grew up I felt they looked very foolish, not being in control of themselves. For me, I like to be in control of my mind, that's the only thing I feel I have going for myself. If I can't think properly I feel I will lose control, and to me it's very important to keep that open and sober side of myself. I don't even like pain medication that will alter my mind.

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High emotion, a bottle of tequila, and a camera last Thursday night. Not a pretty sight.

It's moments like these that make me want to never drink again.
It's moments like these that make me want to see those pics... :devil:
We were heavy duty celebrating/comisserating and things got crazy - but it was just us girls. My niece and I do skits....ya had to be there and no pics are left. We tend to get very naked and we don't know why!! When we're together there isn't much we won't do. We have a certain history and life is pretty crazy for us both now. We don't drive, etc. Aside from drunk dialing, it is rather harmless. I don't know what I would do without her! Well, I think just one or two pics may be left that my daughter snapped and those will be disappeared soon! I like the no kissing and telling approach and everything will be ok!!
OK, now I REALLY want to see those pics, even worse than I want to see the pics of you in your tube top!
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LL - sorry - never, never, never! I don't mind sharing the tube top pic - in fact it might be on one of my kids' myspace - I'm bad at posting pics all by myself!

I am amazed at how many people don't drink at all, but hearing some background stories, it's now wonder. I'm sorry for that. I've got mine too, but won't elaborate. Now don't get me wrong, despite that glass in my hand to the left of this message (it's empty by the way) I'm not a lush, but I do enjoy a drink or two (mostly wine) a few nights during the week. Ocassionally, we all go overboard but I do that less and less. Hell, eating too many twinkies can be just as harmful. :rofl:
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I only drink Lager. If I'm in a pub usually no more than 2 pints these days. I never drink wine or spirits, can't stand the taste.

The only times I've been really drunk is when I used to go out with workmates. Nothing worse than going back on Monday and finding out what happened on Friday night :blush:

I hate the way England has become with town centres becoming no-go areas at night because of totally out of control drunks.
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Ok, you all convince me to drink once again. It wasn't me who pour the drink it was My body sleep walking. Officer I am not drunk in piblic it just a nightmare that I haven't woken up from yet.
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Well, here's another clue for you all, the Walrus was Paul...
I drank a lot during the 'college' years.
I got pregnant in 1982 (I was 24) and pretty much stopped drinking from that point on.
It doesn't appeal to me at all anymore.
When we go out, I might have a drink...2 is my limit. But I will usually drink water.
There are no real benefits for me. Feeling tipsy and high...and then feeling like s h i t in the morning? No thanks.
I can feel like s h i t without the added joy of alcohol.
But that's just me. Alcohol just doesn't do it for me.
Wisconsin has an incredibly high drunk driving rate, and the Wisconsin Tavern Keepers are one of the most powerful organizations in the state. We drink a lot of beer...and brandy. The University of Wisconsin-Madison is always rated the number one 'party' school. And I am surrounded by people who drink to excess at every social function. Sometimes I watch in amusement what these people do under the influence...and sometimes I cringe. Usually I cringe.
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I am pretty much a social drinker. I like to share a drink with friends. I really enjoy red wine with a good meal. So I drink wine with supper, but not every day. I usualy drink one or two glasses and it is enough for me. I've never been a heavy drinker and I've never been drunk. Wine is the only alchool I really like. I may take half a beer once in a while in the summer time tho.
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My father had a drink problem that contributed to his death in 1984. If that isn't enough to put anyone off drink, I don't know what is.

I often joke about being drunk with the odd *hic* or two, but I never really get drunk, although I do enjoy the odd social drink or three ;)
If i did ever get drunk, the last thing i'd do is log onto the internet.

For one, LOL they always say people who are drunk often tell the truth and I think there are too many who'd find that truth too hurtful to hear ;) but more seriously, I'd not be capable of typing anything that could be read. Years ago I could drink loads, now I'd be a really cheap night out. Half a lager and I'm merry. I'm so glad I'm happily married :giggle:
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I rarely have the patience for drunk people unless I'm drunk myself. I like alchohol, but often I don't feel like drinking. I have a pretty low tolerance for wine especially so it doesn't take much for me to get drunk. I often make a bit of a fool of myself but when your around other people who are drinking it doesn't matter so much.
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I have big time bad feelings about alcohol. It has brought extreme pain in my life and because of that I despise it. I can't even drink a glass of wine without feeling like a hypocrite, so I don't drink at all. Haven't really been drunk in 24 years.

I used to drink a lot in my early teens cause I thought it was cool to do. I made a lot of dumb mistakes and am lucky nothing really serious happened to me. By the time I was of age, I could have cared less about getting drunk, which was probably a good thing. Never really drank after I turned 21.

Unfortunately I live with an alcoholic and it makes me so crazy sometimes. I try to understand that it is a disease but it is so hard to be around and causes misery for my whole family. Addiction in any form can be hard to kick.

I can't find any pros but only cons. Alcohol is not something I can approve of.
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Thought this was the appropriate thread for this article!

November 26, 2008


Update: Hawk fan says bathroom sex scandal "ruined my life"

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A Carroll woman who was caught having sex in the men's room at an Iowa Hawkeye football game in Minneapolis last weekend says she’d had so much wine before kickoff that she doesn’t remember walking into the restroom, the man she had sex with in a stall, or when the police opened the door.

What Lois Feldman, 38, will remember is the humiliation afterward.

“It’s ruined my life,” she said through tears today. “Not just the incident but the press.”

Feldman, a married mother of three, has been the target of Internet jokes and prank telephone calls today. She was fired this morning from an assisted living center, where she had been an administrator.

Feldman said her husband, Kelly, has been supportive. She said he faults himself for not going with her when she left her seat to use the restroom before halftime.

“I don’t know what happened,” Lois Feldman said. “But I don’t deny that it did happen because obviously there are police reports.”

Police ticketed Feldman, 38, and Ross Walsh, 26, of Linden for indecent conduct Saturday night.

A security guard who said he saw the two having sex through a gap in a men’s restroom stall flagged down campus police, according to the police report.

By the time an officer arrived, about a dozen people were cheering and laughing in the bathroom while Feldman and Walsh were inside the stall, the report said.

The officer pushed his way through the crowd, opened the door and separated Feldman and Walsh, the report said.

Police described both Feldman and Walsh as upset, drunk and uncooperative.

Chuck Miner, deputy chief of the University of Minnesota police department, said officers tracked down Feldman’s husband.

“I’m not sure how they made contact with her husband, but they needed her husband to help identify her” because she’d given the wrong middle name.

Miner said police didn’t measure the blood-alcohol level of Feldman or Walsh. Asked to respond to Feldman’s claim that she was too drunk to recall the incident, Miner said: “That’s probably an accurate statement.”

Feldman said she’d never met Walsh.

“I don’t know who this man is,” she said today. “I just found out his name in the paper last night.”

Walsh wasn’t immediately available for comment.

Carroll, Feldman’s hometown, is about 60 miles northwest of Linden, where Walsh lives.

Feldman, who describes herself as a light drinker, drank wine at the home of family friends before the football game.

She said she doesn’t remember how much she drank, but the party’s hosts refilled her glass each time it was low “so I’m sure I drank a lot.”

Feldman said her husband later told her he’d tried to talk her out of the game because she was intoxicated.

“He said I didn’t realize it was that bad,” she said.

Feldman said her husband accompanied her to the game, but their friends stayed home.

She said she remembers sitting in the stands one moment and the next “being slammed around by a cop and screaming.”

“Apparently I was panicked and very uncooperative,” she said.

Feldman said she “ran away” from her husband the Metrodome after the incident.

She said a woman she didn’t know offered her a ride home about 11 p.m.

Feldman said she gave her husband’s cell phone number to the woman, who called Kelly Feldman for directions to the couple’s hotel.

Lois Feldman said her attorney has encouraged her to fight the ticket.

“He feels I was taken advantage of in my state of mind,” she said. “This is not me. We’re a very good family. This shouldn’t happen.”

Miner, the campus police officer, said fighting the indecent conduct charge could be a long shot.

“It’s spelled out in the law in Minnesota that intoxication is not a defense to any crime,” he said.

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Ive had some bad experiences with alcohol, but i notice that i now (i'm 21) know when to stop, and i didn't when i was 15/16/17. I passed out a couple of nights and my parents sometimes caught me puking in the middle of the night when i came home from a party.. and i thought that was so embarrassing! I think it has to do with the area i grew up in, in the dutch countryside where drinking is basically considered normal. Here, alcoholics are rarely called alcoholics, drinking 10-20 beers is seen as an acceptable way to spend your evening. When i was younger my fifteen year old classmates used to show up monday morning at school, still drunk from the night before and the classroom would just reek of alcohol.

Now I almost never get drunk and when i drink I know when to stop. This post is a good reminder that heavy drinking really messes up lives :-/
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