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17 High School Girls Get pregnant on Purpose; the teens made a pact to get prenant
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This is truly disturbing, I can't even put into words how upsetting this is.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,369103,00.html

Massachusetts High School Faces Pregnancy Boom

A Massachusetts high school is facing a pregnancy boom with 17 girls entering summer vacation expecting babies in what some have called a pregnancy pact.

Officials at Gloucester High School in Gloucester, Mass., are investigating whether half of the teens made a pact to get pregnant during the school year, Time.com reported.

Officials said that beginning last fall a large group of girls started asking the school clinic for pregnancy tests, the site said.

"Some girls seemed more upset when they weren't pregnant than when they were," principal Joseph Sullivan told Time.com.

The pregnancy rate at the 1,200-student school is four times higher than the previous year, and officials were shocked to learn that men in their 20s had fathered some of the babies, Time.com said.

"We found out one of the fathers is a 24-year-old homeless guy," Sullivan told Time.com.

The Gloucester baby boom is forcing this city of 30,000 to grapple with the question of providing easier access to birth control, something this largely Catholic enclave is slow to embrace, the site said.

Nurse practitioner Kim Daly administered 150 pregnancy tests to students by May, prompting her and the clinic's medical director, Dr. Brian Orr, to lobby for the prescription of contraceptives regardless of parental consent.

That move drew the ire of Mayor Carolyn Kirk, whose public outcry against the pair led to their resignations last month.

"It is very clear that the board [at Northeast Health System of Beverly, which manages the clinic] is not in favor and will not support contraception in the school," Orr told the Boston Globe. "There is an epidemic of teen pregnancy at the school."

Keith Ablow, a psychiatrist and FOX News contributor, called the school's epidemic "shocking."

"But the other thing we should realize is that we are hot on the heels of [17-year-old] Jamie Lynn Spears deciding to start a family and of mass media embracing the notion and waiting with bated breath for her baby," he said.

Jamie Lynn gave birth to a baby girl on Thursday.

According to the latest numbers from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the nation’s teen birth rate rose in 2006 for the first time in 14 years.

Ablow said the example in Massachusetts should be heeded as a warning.

"In a world that is so technologically based, there will be predictable push-back from young people," he said. "They want to remind themselves that they are alive and human. One of the ways people do this is that they reproduce."

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150 students went to be tested. 150 students! In a school of only 1,200, town only has 30,000 people, certainly there was talk about this so the question is where are the angry parents? Did the school administration see the trend and make calls to parents to voice their concerns for their minor child(ren)? I certainly would be concerned if 10-20 kids came to my office to be tested let alone 150.
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I'm intrigued to know what the school in question do to teach kids there about the consequences etc
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Apparently not much. I saw an interview with the principal today and they are working on setting up a birth control clinic at the school. One of the mothers said you can't make the kids take the pill. Well, give them the patch!

This is just disgusting. Those girls will have to grow up in a hurry and the taxpayers will end up paying for the care of those babies.
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I'm intrigued to know what the school in question do to teach kids there about the consequences etc
As am I. Saddly most of these kids were under 16 when they got pregnant, they were mostly 14 and 15 years of age.
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well then there is something seriously wrong in terms of the education system on these circumstances and the way the parents look after their kids. Its to simple to just blame the Spears girl. Whilst it makes it look like its the latest fashionable thing to do there is so much more to it than one famous person having a child. If these kids knew the consequences properly etc I dont think we'd see this issue
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Out of curiousity does any of you US folk know what the sex education is like for schools? Whats the process or when do they start teaching it?
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In the interview that I saw, they said that some movies that came out last winter also glorified teenage pregnancy. I don't go to movies so I can't say for sure--but Juno and Knocked Up were mentioned.

Dani, I don't think these kids knew the true consequences. They want to raise their babies together. Now who is going to support them?
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Out of curiousity does any of you US folk know what the sex education is like for schools? Whats the process or when do they start teaching it?
We have sex education in schools here but it dosn't seem to do any good. Many just view pregnancy as a way to get a council flat.
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Out of curiousity does any of you US folk know what the sex education is like for schools? Whats the process or when do they start teaching it?
We have sex education in schools here but it dosn't seem to do any good. Many just view pregnancy as a way to get a council flat.
thats kind of true I guess. The stuff we did at school wasn't outstanding thats for sure. For a start once I left school I discovered quite a few girls the same year as me ended up having kids

I dunno if we can really say this is a new craze though. I know when my granny was 14 she had a kid and I dont think this was uncommon as people like to make out we are just more aware of it in this modern day and react differently
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Out of curiousity does any of you US folk know what the sex education is like for schools? Whats the process or when do they start teaching it?
We have sex education in schools here but it dosn't seem to do any good. Many just view pregnancy as a way to get a council flat.
thats kind of true I guess. The stuff we did at school wasn't outstanding thats for sure. For a start once I left school I discovered quite a few girls the same year as me ended up having kids

I dunno if we can really say this is a new craze though. I know when my granny was 14 she had a kid and I dont think this was uncommon as people like to make out we are just more aware of it in this modern day and react differently
Young girls have always got pregnant, it's not nothing new. Before they were sent 'to an aunt' and made to give the baby away after it was born. Now people are open about it and because it's so common the shock/ stigma is no more. I read once that in victorian times that 9 out of 10 weddings in Scotland the bride was already pregnant!
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Out of curiousity does any of you US folk know what the sex education is like for schools? Whats the process or when do they start teaching it?
We have sex education in schools here but it dosn't seem to do any good. Many just view pregnancy as a way to get a council flat.
One reason it does know good is as I mention in another thread is there is a lack of shame on the part of the kids and parents. You can give the kids all the facts until they are blue in the face, and what do they usually say.... "WHATEVER!"
Education only goes so far. I remeber the number 1 reason why most girls (and I mean MOST GIRLS) in my day did not have sex, shame and/or fear of what parents would do. In todays society, you can't let kids feel shame, positive reinforcemnt is in order. It's ok to have kids at 14 15 or 16. Go ahead, you'll get more attention because of you cute newborn, aaahhh! Look at the cute baby! :duh:
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in my area they are not going to teach young people about puberty from the age of 9/10 and sex education from 10/11 and it will be a continous rolling programme until the age of 15. This will be done in the class room both in mixed gender as well as single gender lessons, the lessons will comprise of both videos, booklets and worksheets.

I for one am all for that (even though I have never refused to answer any of the witches questions on any subject matter and if they ask me about certain words I always ask them to explain to me what they think it means - they do hear things on the playground :hmm:)

onto the OT - I have heard the girls who have got pregnant did so as a 'pact' :( I dont think they fully understand how hard it is to bring up a baby - I know how hard it was at 21 never mind 14-17 :hmm:



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sorry i dont see what is so shocking. i wonder how people can live their lives with their eyes shut. blind ignorance about these things is inexcusable in anyone over 25. one girl gets pregnant in a crowd of friends you see more than one getting pregnant within a year, smae with marriage one gets married they all get sodding well married or start pressurising their boyfriends.
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Indeed! Marriage, babies or tongue piercings, they will follow the flock.

But would anyone like to argue that abstinence-only sex education works now?

I think the answer to "where are the parents?" is pretty obvious. You can't assume that parents are responsible. All these 17yo kids are now parents but that doesn't give them good judgement.

It's not that these kids shouldn't have children. Their own parents should have had children. And possibly the parents' parents too. It's a downward spiral.
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Yeah I see what you're saying Bill about the downward spiral, but the buck has to stop somewhere. These girls' parents seem, at least on the face of it, irresponsible also.

The school system has many problems too but our schools are not designed to take the place of parents.
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People say 'where are the parents?'

they aren't in the same room as their kids when they are havin sex :(

however much kids are educated - will it stop them ??????????
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That's right Jayne, so then it becomes a case of harm minimisation. You're not going to stop kids having sex and more than you're going to stop them experimenting with drugs or driving recklessly.

But the difference between an embarrassing fumble and a life changing mistake is knowing how to be safe.

As the old cliche goes, Be good, and if you can't be good, be careful.
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Why don't they force the girls to give up their children up for adoption so people who can't have kids can have one?
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I'm being sarcastic when I say this.

Why don't they force the girls to give up their children up for adoption so people who can't have kids can have one?
then er why say that... I'm not really getting the whole sarcastic thing
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I just want to reiterate, the topic is 14-15 year old kids getting pregnant. I don't want the gov. telling us when to have kids with the exception of minors. That is rape even if the minor child agrees and goes along with it. It looks like the school was aware that something was going on when these 14-15 year olds were getting tested for pregnancy on a regular bases. If that is the case the school had the obligation to tell the parents for 1 reason even if they didn't want them to know, THEY ARE MINORS! In other words they are still the responsibility of their parents. When at school the school is responsible for the kids and the parents have the right to know what is going on with them at school. When outside of school the parents are. If any school gives pregnancy tests to the kids without telling the parents, that should be a crime and my kids will not go there. As far as these 18+ year olds guys getting these girls pregnant, they should be in jail.
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There seems to be a bit of a contradiction in your argument there Dan. If the school is only responsible for the child while at school and the parent is responsible for everything else, then these pregnancies have nothing to do with the school unless the babies were actually conceived in class. These kids obviously had enough unsupervised time to get pregnant and that is the responsibility of the parents - the school has nothing to do with it.

You can't have it both ways. You can't have the school taking responsibility where there parents have been derelict and at the same time have to school keep out of it.

Now you know as well as I do that different cultures treat teenage or unwed parents differently than others. There are some families who would disown, beat or even murder a daughter who became pregnant out of wedlock. Is it still the school's responsibility to inform the parents and damn the consequences?

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Back in my day and earlier, having a child in high school was really frowned upon and often times, girls "went away", so it is much more accepted now. It's not any wiser, but it is more accepted, despite supposedly better efforts at education. Good judgment and maturity are also lacking and so many of these girls treat having babies as a fashionable thing to do, evidenced by this thread. It's the newest life long accessory, one that won't go out of style, even if the novelty wears off. Sadly, that's when the parents of these young parents take over.
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I think yes. It seems each generation picks a higher number for describing someone as just a kid. And it does become a self-fulfilling prophecy if people are kept isolated from the realities of life until an older age.

Equally, which childhood has gotten longer in years, so has life-expectancy. So relatively speaking, childhood hasn't gotten longer, just life-spans.

It's also an age vs maturity thing. I can think of teenagers who would make excellent parents and I can think of 30-year-olds who I wouldn't leave unsupervised with a bread knife.
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Bill, when you quote the old saw, "if you can't be good be careful," you sidestep the point that these girls apparently made the ridiculous decision to get pregnant with total disregard of the consequences. I am all for the use of birth control to stop teen pregnancies, but it seems they never intended to use contraceptives, quite the opposite.

And no Jayne, the parents can't be in the room with them when they have sex, and they can't lock them in their rooms to prevent sex or never let them leave the house.

But I really, really feel that there need to be many people brought to task (and taking responsibility) when that things like this happen and on such a large scale. There is a culture here that has been nurtured somewhere along the way, probably through neglect, that started way before these kids were of an age to conceive children, that let them feel it was a good thing to live entirely in the moment, being totally self-centered and reckless. The point to intervene most successfully in children's' lives comes when they are very young (and will actually listen) and not at the very last moment, right before they make stupid decisions that alter not only their own lives but that of future generations.
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Bill, when you quote the old saw, "if you can't be good be careful," you sidestep the point that these girls apparently made the ridiculous decision to get pregnant with total disregard of the consequences. I am all for the use of birth control to stop teen pregnancies, but it seems they never intended to use contraceptives, quite the opposite.
True enough, but such a decision can only be the result of rampant ignorance or blind stupidity so in the end, it does come back to education. Beyond that, Dawinism has to kick in sooner or later.
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When the schools want to have sex education the O'Reilly crowd screams no, now its the opposite. I wish Bill O'Reilly could make up his mind so Dan could stay consistent.
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There seems to be a bit of a contradiction in your argument there Dan. If the school is only responsible for the child while at school and the parent is responsible for everything else, then these pregnancies have nothing to do with the school unless the babies were actually conceived in class. These kids obviously had enough unsupervised time to get pregnant and that is the responsibility of the parents - the school has nothing to do with it.

You can't have it both ways. You can't have the school taking responsibility where there parents have been derelict and at the same time have to school keep out of it.

Now you know as well as I do that different cultures treat teenage or unwed parents differently than others. There are some families who would disown, beat or even murder a daughter who became pregnant out of wedlock. Is it still the school's responsibility to inform the parents and damn the consequences?

No there is not. If the school is aware of what kids are doing (attempting to get pregnant) and they know that because they are coming to the school nurse to get prenancy tests, and they are not informing the parents or the police. They are just as guilty as the parents if not more because they actually saw what was going on. When you have 150 14-15 year old students coming in to get tested for pregnancy and you keep you lip shut, if that is not illegal it should be. As you know if you are a 24 year old man (homeless or not) it is illegal to have sex with a 14-15yo girl. So why would you not report it? I know people will cry and scream "privacy!". I say doctors by law must report gunshot victims regaurdles of what the victims wishes are, the same law must apply to minors that are having sex. I suppose you can disagree but why? I don't know any good reason why and I heard many reasons, none of which convince me to change my position.
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God...I'm just appalled by this, why in the hell can't kids use friggin' brith control! Like Linda said, get on the patch if they won't take the pill everyday.

Personally I feel kids should be taught both by their parents and health teachers what can come out of sex by not being careful and stress the fact if you are going to have sex at that age, use something! Common sense kids, but of course if there's movies and clebs gloryfing it, they're gonna do it. Just sickens me how people can be sheep.
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When the schools want to have sex education the O'Reilly crowd screams no, now its the opposite. I wish Bill O'Reilly could make up his mind so Dan could stay consistent.
I guess it's true when you can't make an argument take cheap shots. Where did I say "NO" to sex education? I think schools should have sex ed. So you are being dishonest. Seriously enough with the cheap shots it really does you no good. I don't think you should teach it to K-5 grades, but certainly 6th graders are an appropriate age to start. I also believe a parent has the right to say no I don't want the school to teach my child sex ed. I also expect the school to show me the material it will present to my child to help me decide. If they are going to pass around playboys and show xxx viddeo then no thanks, I'll teach them myself.
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God...I'm just appalled by this, why in the hell can't kids use friggin' brith control! Like Linda said, get on the patch if they won't take the pill everyday.

Personally I feel kids should be taught both by their parents and health teachers what can come out of sex by not being careful and stress the fact if you are going to have sex at that age, use something! Common sense kids, but of course if there's movies and clebs gloryfing it, they're gonna do it. Just sickens me how people can be sheep.
I am glad that at least you are appalled but as to why the kids can't use birth control. Because they are kids/minors/underage, they aren't even allowed to have sex! People go to jail when they have sex with them. Can not be any more clear.

I do agree with both parents and health teachers what can come out of sex by not being careful. Where I disagree, is at that age use something. I hope that if they do they will but I would stress it is against the law and you can be charged and put in jail and/or be put on the sex offender list forever.
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Unless the girls tell who got them pregnant, no one will ever be charged with anything in this case.

As for the school not calling the police, I am sure that today's privacy laws totally prevent that.

I am close in age to Barb. The girls who got pregnant in my class, just went to visit an aunt for several months and then reappeared. Nothing was ever mentioned and there was no sign of a baby. One good friend of mine did marry her boyfriend and have her baby when we were juniors in high school. She used to tell me that I was one of the few people who would ask her about the baby and how she was doing. According to our class reunion books, that couple is still together, almost 40 years later. I think that is rare, but they must have loved each other.
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No there is not. If the school is aware of what kids are doing (attempting to get pregnant) and they know that because they are coming to the school nurse to get prenancy tests, and they are not informing the parents or the police. They are just as guilty as the parents if not more because they actually saw what was going on. When you have 150 14-15 year old students coming in to get tested for pregnancy and you keep you lip shut, if that is not illegal it should be. As you know if you are a 24 year old man (homeless or not) it is illegal to have sex with a 14-15yo girl. So why would you not report it? I know people will cry and scream "privacy!". I say doctors by law must report gunshot victims regaurdles of what the victims wishes are, the same law must apply to minors that are having sex. I suppose you can disagree but why? I don't know any good reason why and I heard many reasons, none of which convince me to change my position.
No Dan, you can't have it both ways. You can't on the one hand say the parents are responsible and then make the school responsible for the parents' failings. If the parent is that out of touch, what good is a phone call from the school going to do?

Okay, so let's say the school informs the parents that a girl has had a pregnancy test and that night, the girl's father beats her half to death. Who is responsible then?
Let's say the school tells a girl's parents that she is pregnant and the parents then force her to have an abortion. Who is responsible then?

These are the things a responsible school has to consider. The world is not black and white no matter how much you may wish it to be. No-one is trying to change your mind, I'm just presenting you with a few realities.

Furthermore, sex education should not be an opt-in/opt-out thing. Parents do not have the right to withdraw their children from any other particular subjects, sex should be no different.
In my opinion, children would be better served and grow up more well-adjusted in America if it weren't for the uptight, puritanical obsession with sex.
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I am glad that at least you are appalled but as to why the kids can't use birth control. Because they are kids/minors/underage, they aren't even allowed to have sex! People go to jail when they have sex with them. Can not be any more clear.
Smoking pot is illegal too, yet thousands of people do it all the time. Makes you wonder how that's even possible. Go figure!
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