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| Jacaranda | Jun 18 2008, 08:20 PM Post #701 |
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I suppose you're in the running.
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| Rose | Jun 18 2008, 08:25 PM Post #702 |
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Well, here's another clue for you all, the Walrus was Paul...
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I won't be so bold as to say I am the BIGGEST Beatles fan...but my love for the Beatles was first...Paul is just my favorite of the four. Yes, there are obviously people who are a bit more...fanatical in their pursuit of Paul (and I pale in comparison to what others are willing to do), but there is no one...absolutley NO ONE who loves and adores them any more than me. I am willing to admit that I share that love with a lot of people. I'm OK with that. But just because someone is willing/able to be a bit more compulsive/obsessive with their love, doesn't make it more love...just a different way of expressing it... |
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| Blackbird1942 | Jun 18 2008, 08:30 PM Post #703 |
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Rose you took the words right out of me mouth. I don't think age should have anything to do with it either. Some of us only just got the opportunity to see the man live and took it. Either way, I hope I can join in the running too but won't be hartbroken if I'm not. I'm just happy I got to see him again...
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| Deleted User | Jun 18 2008, 08:46 PM Post #704 |
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Hell girl i would sleep with him.
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| Blackbird1942 | Jun 18 2008, 08:49 PM Post #705 |
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| maccascruff | Jun 18 2008, 10:18 PM Post #706 |
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I know that I would and I would have since 1964. |
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| beatlechick | Jun 19 2008, 12:04 AM Post #707 |
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| Jacaranda | Jun 19 2008, 01:02 AM Post #708 |
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Ah but I will be the fly in the ointment and remind you all that Paul is not the Beatles, he is/was part of the Beatles. I still rule as the Beatle fan of the millennium!
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| Deleted User | Jun 19 2008, 01:11 AM Post #709 |
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ok i will rephrase my statement to convey my feeling i would HAVE slept with them all. |
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| iscreamer1 | Jun 19 2008, 01:35 AM Post #710 |
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Until this trip to Liverpool it never even occured to me that there were Paul fans that weren't Beatles fans. Paul may not be the Beatles but the Beatles are Paul (if that makes sense). I am a Beatles fan first and foremost. They mean an enormous amount to me. Paul has always been my favorite Beatles and he means as much to me separately as the Beatles do as a group. As far as Wings go, I like them because of Paul but the group means nothing to me on am emotional level. I guess it's a generational thing......... but how can you not LOVE the BEATLES??? |
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| Deleted User | Jun 19 2008, 01:40 AM Post #711 |
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Wings i be buggered if i can remember any member ofthe band apart from linda. |
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| Jacaranda | Jun 19 2008, 02:40 AM Post #712 |
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Can I marry you? |
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| Jacaranda | Jun 19 2008, 02:41 AM Post #713 |
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Can I marry you too Irene?
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| Bill | Jun 19 2008, 02:43 AM Post #714 |
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My first McCartney album was Broadstreet in 1984. My second was Wings' Greatest. History didn't end in 1970. |
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| Deleted User | Jun 19 2008, 02:45 AM Post #715 |
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as George said in the mid 70s if you want to see The Beatles go and see Paul. |
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| Jacaranda | Jun 19 2008, 02:45 AM Post #716 |
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No but it didn't begin there either. |
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| Rose | Jun 19 2008, 01:23 PM Post #717 |
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Well, here's another clue for you all, the Walrus was Paul...
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Irene...YES. It never occurred to me either! The Beatles and Paul just go hand in hand for me. I LOVE THE BEATLES. but my heart belongs to
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| theonlyfab4fan | Jun 19 2008, 01:25 PM Post #718 |
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So Lisa is cheating on me. I thought we were getting married
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You say you want to save humanity but it`s people that you just can`t stand John came to me in a dream and this is what he said. "I had a vision of a man on a flaming pie, and he told me that Betsy with a B not Lisa with a L is the biggest fan of mine". John trumps 'the boss' ! I WAS ROBBED BY THAT DEVIL WOMAN | |
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| iscreamer1 | Jun 19 2008, 02:17 PM Post #719 |
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Not to worry Betsy and I hope I don't disappoint you Lisa but I am holding out for Paul since he is single again (Nancy who?) and I know we will meet and I will be the woman of his dreams. You can come to the wedding though
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| theonlyfab4fan | Jun 19 2008, 02:20 PM Post #720 |
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Sounds like a plan Irene! Can I be a bridesmaid?
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You say you want to save humanity but it`s people that you just can`t stand John came to me in a dream and this is what he said. "I had a vision of a man on a flaming pie, and he told me that Betsy with a B not Lisa with a L is the biggest fan of mine". John trumps 'the boss' ! I WAS ROBBED BY THAT DEVIL WOMAN | |
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| iscreamer1 | Jun 19 2008, 02:33 PM Post #721 |
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Well I was thinking of having little wood nymphs in the bridal party but my plans are fluid so sure why not!!
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| theonlyfab4fan | Jun 19 2008, 02:39 PM Post #722 |
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hahahahaha I am about the same size as a wood nymph. I`d be happy to prance and be spritely
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You say you want to save humanity but it`s people that you just can`t stand John came to me in a dream and this is what he said. "I had a vision of a man on a flaming pie, and he told me that Betsy with a B not Lisa with a L is the biggest fan of mine". John trumps 'the boss' ! I WAS ROBBED BY THAT DEVIL WOMAN | |
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| iscreamer1 | Jun 19 2008, 03:32 PM Post #723 |
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Great then you can be my nymph of honor! |
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| scottycatt | Jun 19 2008, 03:54 PM Post #724 |
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I'm part of this club, too. And Irene, get in line. Barb and I have been lined up and waiting for awhile.
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| maccascruff | Jun 19 2008, 04:05 PM Post #725 |
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I love the Beatles, too, but my heart has belonged to since I was 12. I love the music of the Beatles, but even before I figured out who was singing which song, etc., it turned out that it was mostly the Paul songs that I loved. And Wings! I love Wings now that I have gotten in to their music.
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| iscreamer1 | Jun 19 2008, 04:07 PM Post #726 |
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Bev, too late, as you can see the weddings already planned!
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| maccascruff | Jun 19 2008, 04:13 PM Post #727 |
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My wedding to Paul has been planned since 1964. It's all set and ready to go. Just waiting for the groom. |
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| Deleted User | Jun 19 2008, 05:06 PM Post #728 |
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well now at long last i can haev a civil partnetship with him. i can nag as well as any woman. |
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| DCBeatle64 | Jun 19 2008, 07:52 PM Post #729 |
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Paul was better than John
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I'm a BIGGER Beatles fan than you and I'm an even BIGGER Wings fan than that... 'You're a Paul McCartney fan? No you're a Wings fan'. 'Thankyou Scotland' Ho Hey Ho... ![]() I am the buttplug goo goo goo joob | |
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| beatlespud | Jun 19 2008, 08:08 PM Post #730 |
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Should I be embarrassed that I know the names of every band member that Paul's played with from the Beatles to current day? Dean |
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| Jacaranda | Jun 19 2008, 08:12 PM Post #731 |
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But at what exactly? That's ok Irene I'll just marry Betsy and Peter. I'm sure Pat won't mind. |
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| theonlyfab4fan | Jun 19 2008, 08:13 PM Post #732 |
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Wash you mouth out with soap! Or should I say wash your fingers off?
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You say you want to save humanity but it`s people that you just can`t stand John came to me in a dream and this is what he said. "I had a vision of a man on a flaming pie, and he told me that Betsy with a B not Lisa with a L is the biggest fan of mine". John trumps 'the boss' ! I WAS ROBBED BY THAT DEVIL WOMAN | |
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John who? |
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| DCBeatle64 | Jun 19 2008, 11:24 PM Post #734 |
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exactly
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I'm a BIGGER Beatles fan than you and I'm an even BIGGER Wings fan than that... 'You're a Paul McCartney fan? No you're a Wings fan'. 'Thankyou Scotland' Ho Hey Ho... ![]() I am the buttplug goo goo goo joob | |
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| maccascruff | Jun 19 2008, 11:27 PM Post #735 |
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Another exactly. And it was Paul's musical talent that he was better at. |
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| theonlyfab4fan | Jun 19 2008, 11:37 PM Post #736 |
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philistine! |
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You say you want to save humanity but it`s people that you just can`t stand John came to me in a dream and this is what he said. "I had a vision of a man on a flaming pie, and he told me that Betsy with a B not Lisa with a L is the biggest fan of mine". John trumps 'the boss' ! I WAS ROBBED BY THAT DEVIL WOMAN | |
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| DCBeatle64 | Jun 19 2008, 11:42 PM Post #737 |
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Lennon has just become some over hyped myth really |
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| theonlyfab4fan | Jun 19 2008, 11:44 PM Post #738 |
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Bigger philistine!
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| maccascruff | Jun 19 2008, 11:46 PM Post #739 |
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John became a saint when he was so tragically murdered. Paul can never compare to a saint, so we have to defend him. And you did hear what Dani said in Liverpool and she was right. |
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| beatlechick | Jun 20 2008, 12:03 AM Post #740 |
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| mspeel 007 | Jun 20 2008, 12:10 AM Post #741 |
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Sorry girls....my wedding to Paul was written in the stars since 1964!!!! Of course you'll ALL be invited to the reception!!!! On a more serious note, I've been a HUGE Beatles fan since 1964. I saw "the lads" when they played here in Kansas City, but Paul has ALWAYS been "the one"!!!!!
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| Rose | Jun 20 2008, 12:52 AM Post #742 |
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I love it. A war of who has loved the Beatles longest. It's like the time someone said that they heard their parents play Beatles music while they were in utero...so they were actually fans before they were born! Brilliant. |
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Sorry you lot are americans i have loved them since '63.
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| mspeel 007 | Jun 20 2008, 01:01 AM Post #744 |
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| Jacaranda | Jun 20 2008, 01:17 AM Post #745 |
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I love them enough not to indulge in penny ante shenanigans. Everyone else is just insecure. |
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| Deleted User | Jun 20 2008, 01:24 AM Post #746 |
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i wish i had never taught you that word, lass. |
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| Bill | Jun 20 2008, 01:34 AM Post #747 |
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Who is John Philistine? |
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| theonlyfab4fan | Jun 20 2008, 01:35 AM Post #748 |
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How many times do I have to tell you that just because I am an American I had to wait until 1964 to hear them
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You say you want to save humanity but it`s people that you just can`t stand John came to me in a dream and this is what he said. "I had a vision of a man on a flaming pie, and he told me that Betsy with a B not Lisa with a L is the biggest fan of mine". John trumps 'the boss' ! I WAS ROBBED BY THAT DEVIL WOMAN | |
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| Jacaranda | Jun 20 2008, 01:38 AM Post #749 |
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What? Insecure?
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| theonlyfab4fan | Jun 20 2008, 01:39 AM Post #750 |
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:D: Biggers brother. Edited by theonlyfab4fan, Jun 20 2008, 01:41 AM.
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You say you want to save humanity but it`s people that you just can`t stand John came to me in a dream and this is what he said. "I had a vision of a man on a flaming pie, and he told me that Betsy with a B not Lisa with a L is the biggest fan of mine". John trumps 'the boss' ! I WAS ROBBED BY THAT DEVIL WOMAN | |
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| Jacaranda | Jun 20 2008, 01:42 AM Post #752 |
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Peter I'll still marry you for being a Beatles fan, you and Betsy.
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| theonlyfab4fan | Jun 20 2008, 01:43 AM Post #753 |
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I want to sleep in the middle of the bed please. |
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| Jacaranda | Jun 20 2008, 01:44 AM Post #754 |
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Oh why?
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| theonlyfab4fan | Jun 20 2008, 01:45 AM Post #755 |
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I`m fond of sandwiches
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You say you want to save humanity but it`s people that you just can`t stand John came to me in a dream and this is what he said. "I had a vision of a man on a flaming pie, and he told me that Betsy with a B not Lisa with a L is the biggest fan of mine". John trumps 'the boss' ! I WAS ROBBED BY THAT DEVIL WOMAN | |
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| Jacaranda | Jun 20 2008, 01:48 AM Post #756 |
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Funny, funny Betsy. Back to our regularly scheduled programming. More Hard Days Night Hotel.
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| iscreamer1 | Jun 20 2008, 01:49 AM Post #757 |
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More Lisa More!! How did I miss this hotel?? |
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| Jacaranda | Jun 20 2008, 01:58 AM Post #758 |
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Well Irene, it was hard to miss in some ways as it was only a few steps away from the Cavern at the other end of Matthew Street from the Grapes. It just recently opened this year, and is completely done in a Beatles motif. Very pricey, but lovely to look at.
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| Jacaranda | Jun 20 2008, 02:06 AM Post #759 |
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More.![]() ![]() And I'm really sad I didn't get the one of Ringo because I thought I did. :hmm: |
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| Blackbird1942 | Jun 20 2008, 02:11 AM Post #761 |
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| Jacaranda | Jun 20 2008, 02:26 AM Post #762 |
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God no Jillian. I thought I did. I was so sad that it wasn't there with my other photos. Did you?
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| Blackbird1942 | Jun 20 2008, 02:29 AM Post #763 |
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Got them all. Give me a minute |
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| Blackbird1942 | Jun 20 2008, 02:39 AM Post #764 |
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Here we are
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| Deleted User | Jun 20 2008, 02:41 AM Post #765 |
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| Blackbird1942 | Jun 20 2008, 02:42 AM Post #766 |
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A Hard Days Night Hotel from a distance.
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| Jacaranda | Jun 20 2008, 03:06 AM Post #767 |
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Thank you Jillian. |
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| Blackbird1942 | Jun 20 2008, 03:09 AM Post #768 |
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Of course Lisa.
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| scottycatt | Jun 20 2008, 05:07 AM Post #769 |
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Forget the civil partnership. Come to California and you can now make it a legal marriage.
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| Queenbee | Jun 20 2008, 09:44 AM Post #771 |
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I don't want to be Paul's wife but if you need a wedding coordinator, I'll gladly help. I would love have Paul sing music around a camp fire with a bottle of wine and snuggle up with him as a best friend. |
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| maccascruff | Jun 20 2008, 12:46 PM Post #772 |
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No residence requirement in California, Peter.
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| Jacaranda | Jun 20 2008, 08:12 PM Post #773 |
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| Blackbird1942 | Jun 20 2008, 08:15 PM Post #774 |
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Love the photos! Didn't go inside though; I don't think I could handle anymore Beatles stuff. I was arleady in heaven, I would hav egone overboard. |
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| maccascruff | Jun 20 2008, 09:53 PM Post #775 |
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That looks like the jukebox in the Love shop in Vegas. |
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| bluemeanie | Jun 20 2008, 10:41 PM Post #776 |
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is now a happily married woman x
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I sooooooooooooooooooo want that jukebox wonder how i can get it
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| bluemeanie | Jun 20 2008, 10:59 PM Post #778 |
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| maccascruff | Jun 21 2008, 01:21 AM Post #779 |
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I know the price tag for the one in Vegas. You don't want to know, Jayne. |
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| Jacaranda | Jun 21 2008, 01:24 AM Post #780 |
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| maccascruff | Jun 21 2008, 01:26 AM Post #781 |
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And it is in stock! Jayne we'll all go together and have it shipped immediately.:whistle: |
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| Jacaranda | Jun 21 2008, 01:40 AM Post #783 |
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But...but...it has a SyberSonic Sound System with an Intel® processor! |
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| maccascruff | Jun 21 2008, 01:56 AM Post #784 |
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And the one in Vegas has great sound! |
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| beatlechick | Jun 21 2008, 02:41 AM Post #785 |
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It doesn't matter. Brits need love too! |
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| bluemeanie | Jun 21 2008, 02:48 AM Post #786 |
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| beatlechick | Jun 21 2008, 02:51 AM Post #787 |
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| bluemeanie | Jun 21 2008, 02:52 AM Post #788 |
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is now a happily married woman x
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Jayne x is loving life and is so happy xxx | |
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| beatlechick | Jun 21 2008, 03:29 AM Post #789 |
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In Paul's Arms!
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Can never get enough of that The one thing that's free and it helps make you feel good.You're welcome, Jayne. Good luck. |
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| scottycatt | Jun 21 2008, 04:05 AM Post #790 |
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Here's another. Care to talk about it?
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Why? | |
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| DCBeatle64 | Jun 21 2008, 09:26 AM Post #791 |
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Wings nutter
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Whats up Jayne? |
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I'm a BIGGER Beatles fan than you and I'm an even BIGGER Wings fan than that... 'You're a Paul McCartney fan? No you're a Wings fan'. 'Thankyou Scotland' Ho Hey Ho... ![]() I am the buttplug goo goo goo joob | |
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| bluemeanie | Jun 21 2008, 11:34 AM Post #792 |
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is now a happily married woman x
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I'm all right now thanks all for the hugs was feeling down and emotional this morning :hmm:
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Jayne x is loving life and is so happy xxx | |
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| Jacaranda | Jun 21 2008, 12:24 PM Post #793 |
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Aww Jayne, use that headphone set sometime and call me. |
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| Jacaranda | Jun 21 2008, 08:53 PM Post #794 |
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Me and that guy.
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| Rose | Jun 21 2008, 09:29 PM Post #795 |
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Well, here's another clue for you all, the Walrus was Paul...
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Jayne... Lisa...you and John look good together! |
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| Deleted User | Jun 21 2008, 09:41 PM Post #796 |
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omg lisa as a scruff. |
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| scottycatt | Jun 21 2008, 11:00 PM Post #797 |
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Brilliant, Lisa! The two of you look HOT together.
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| iscreamer1 | Jun 22 2008, 01:19 AM Post #798 |
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Baking Fairy Cakes
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Jayne, here's one from me too plus this I know they always cheer me up! Great pic Lisa, you make a cute couple but I won't tell Pat that |
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| Jacaranda | Jun 22 2008, 04:55 AM Post #799 |
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Thanks ladies you know he's the man. Well the other man anyway.
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| maccascruff | Jun 22 2008, 07:52 PM Post #800 |
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Sing the Changes
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Lisa and I are getting on this bus to take us to the childhood homes of Paul and John.
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