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| Bill | Dec 27 2007, 02:23 PM Post #1 |
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Not good! http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071227/ap_on_re_as/pakistan By SADAQAT JAN and ZARAR KHAN, Associated Press Writers RAWALPINDI, Pakistan - Pakistan opposition leader Benazir Bhutto was assassinated Thursday in a suicide attack that also killed at least 20 others at the end of a campaign rally, aides said. "The surgeons confirmed that she has been martyred," Bhutto's lawyer Babar Awan said. A party security adviser said Bhutto was shot in neck and chest as she got into her vehicle to leave the rally in Rawalpindi near the capital Islamabad. A gunman then blew himself up. "At 6:16 p.m. she expired," said Wasif Ali Khan, a member of Bhutto's party who was at Rawalpindi General Hospital where she was taken after the attack. Her supporters at the hospital began chanting "Dog, Musharraf, dog," referring to Pakistan's president Pervez Musharraf. Some smashed the glass door at the main entrance of the emergency unit, others burst into tears. One man with a flag of Bhutto's Pakistan People's Party tied around his head was beating his chest. In Washington, the State Department said it was seeking confirmation of Bhutto's condition. "Certainly, we condemn the attack on this rally," deputy spokesman Tom Casey said. "It demonstrates that there are still those in Pakistan who want to subvert reconciliation and efforts to advance democracy." The United States has for months been encouraging Musharraf to reach an accommodation with the opposition, particularly Bhutto, who was seen as having a wide base of support in Pakistan. Her party had been widely expected to do well in parliamentary elections set for next month. At least 20 others were killed in the blast that took place as Bhutto left the rally where she addressed thousands of supporters in her campaign for Jan. 8 parliamentary elections. Bhutto served twice as Pakistan's prime minister between 1988 and 1996. She had returned to Pakistan from an eight-year exile Oct. 18. On the same day, her homecoming parade in Karachi was also targeted by a suicide attacker, killing more than 140 people. On that occasion she narrowly escaped injury. |
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| Samwise | Dec 27 2007, 04:22 PM Post #2 |
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I was just reading about this this morning. According to the BBC, nobody has claimed responsibility for the assassination yet. President Musharraf has condemned the killings, and has apparently had similar attempts on his life recently too. Either way, not good indeed. :hmm: |
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| mspeel 007 | Dec 27 2007, 04:36 PM Post #3 |
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| Deleted User | Dec 27 2007, 05:34 PM Post #4 |
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Will this hell end someday? |
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| LadyMacca | Dec 27 2007, 06:29 PM Post #5 |
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| Queenbee | Dec 27 2007, 06:37 PM Post #6 |
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Sad for the whole country. |
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| Deleted User | Dec 27 2007, 07:15 PM Post #7 |
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Quite a shock when I've been reading so much about her lately. |
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| Penina | Dec 27 2007, 08:19 PM Post #8 |
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I don't know much about Pakistani politics, yet I did watch her on TV from time to time. She seemed lovely and in the prime of life. It's such a shame that women can now become mortally endangered by assassination within politics... and war. Sadly, it is the world in which we live and must confront on a daily basis - anything can happen. Penina
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| DCBeatle64 | Dec 27 2007, 08:38 PM Post #9 |
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Whilst I was surprised to hear it when I got home today I'm kind of not surprised at the same time. This is a very worrying time for that country right now I think |
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| ogoble | Dec 27 2007, 09:08 PM Post #10 |
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Sad...just terrible.
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| Dorfliedot | Dec 27 2007, 09:17 PM Post #11 |
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Being a women in politic it is hard. It sad that someone thought it solve anything by killing her. Is is just simple Horror that goes around in this world. |
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| DCBeatle64 | Dec 27 2007, 10:28 PM Post #12 |
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stuff being a woman in politics, its being in politics in Pakistan or anyother country which is like this that is the worry right now. It is hard for women in poltics all over the world but there is much more to it than that |
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| JeffLynnesBeard | Dec 28 2007, 12:15 AM Post #13 |
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I'm deeply saddened and appalled, but - like Dani - not at all surprised that this has happened. Pakistan is in meltdown at the moment and needed Benazir Bhutto, a person of strong conviction with a passion for democracy and the people. My deepest respects to her family, friends and supporters. |
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| iscreamer1 | Dec 28 2007, 12:21 AM Post #14 |
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Reminds me of Martin Luther King. She scarificed herself for her beliefs because I'm sure even she was not surprised. |
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| maccascruff | Dec 28 2007, 02:19 AM Post #15 |
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There has been a letter being read on CNN that she had sent to Wolf Blitzer to be read upon her death. From it's wording, she was not surprised. Pakistan is in big trouble and it causes problem for the entire world. |
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| FamousGroupie | Dec 28 2007, 02:28 AM Post #16 |
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It's dangerous to be a politician in Pakistan, and it's dangerous to have any real strong beliefs in Pakistan, especially ones that go against the grain - Ms. Bhutto didn't really stand a chance, and I think she knew it. They've been attempting to assassinate her for a while now. I admired her for her beliefs and ethics. She was a strong woman, exactly what the country needed and it's a very sad loss. |
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| beatlechick | Dec 28 2007, 02:43 AM Post #17 |
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I can not find a posting of the email that Linda mentions, but I did hear Wolf Blitzer read it. Here is a video from CNN of what was said: cnn.com you may need to click on the Most Popular tab and find "Bhutto e-mail mentioned death" I, too am not surprised at this outcome. It is a major tragedy for that part of the world for a leader that was apparently well liked in her country as well as the countries of Great Britain and the US. Like all other politicians, she did have her detractors. I do believe that she could have at least found ways for her countrypeople to help fight terrorism and bring some possibility of peace there as well. One would have hoped that the anger between her country and India, both having nuclear weapons, would at last have some sort of talks to calm each other down. Perhaps we put to much on her plate but one did hope she could have risen to the occasion. When I heard of her assassination, I too believe (and moreso now) that Musharraf does have some blood on his hands. Just heard that it was under her administration that the Taliban came to power but apparently she did go against terrorism a good deal. |
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| beatlechick | Dec 28 2007, 03:12 AM Post #18 |
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This is quite telling: Bhutto comments on Pakistani Martial Law and security Commentary: No time for dictatorship Story Highlights Bhutto reflected on assassination attempt against her in October Martial law is "a step to entrench his [Musharraf's] dictatorship," Bhutto said Bhutto feared denial of political activity was prelude to "a fraudulent election" By Benazir Bhutto In November, CNN.com invited Pakistan opposition leader Benazir Bhutto to reflect on the tumultuous events following her return to Pakistan this fall. In this commentary, the former prime minister reflected on a failed assassination attempt on her life at that time and vowed to keep pushing for the restoration of democracy. President Pervez Musharraf ended a 42-day state of emergency on December 15. He had condemned the attack against Bhutto. CNN.com also invited Musharraf to submit a piece giving his perspective. He has not yet responded. KARACHI, Pakistan (CNN) -- I have long claimed that the rise of extremism and militancy in Pakistan could not happen without support from elements within the current administration. My return to my country poses a threat to the forces of extremism that have thrived under a dictatorship. They want to stop the restoration of democracy at any price. They have exploited a poor, desperate, and powerless people and allowed extremists the right environment in which to flourish. The ruling party is an artificial, political party created in the headquarters of the Inter-Services Intelligence (Pakistan's equivalent of the CIA) during the General Elections of 2002. Its core support comes from the political partners of the military dictator of the '80s, General Zia al-Haq, who empowered the most radical elements within the Afghan Mujahedeen who went on to morph into al-Qaeda, Taliban and the Pakistani militants of today. This party has called for a banning of outdoor rallies, demonstrations and caravans. They would thus suspend all activity that demonstrates to the people of Pakistan and to the people of the world which parties enjoy mass support amongst the people. On my return to Pakistan last month, throngs of people turned out to welcome me back home. The demand to ban grassroots political activity is a suspicious prelude to what could be an overt attempt to rig the upcoming elections. All people who believe in the process of democracy should reject this attempt to undermine public participation in the campaign and set the table for what I believe would simply be a fraudulent election. Watch as Bhutto expresses fears for the future of her country » It has now been more than two weeks since the horrific assassination attempt against me and the police have still not filed my complaint. They filed their own report without taking statements from eyewitnesses on the truck targeted for the terrorist attack which resulted in the death of more than 158 of my supporters and security guards. Soon thereafter, I was asked by authorities not to travel in cars with tinted windows -- which protected me from identification by terrorists -- or travel with privately armed guards. I began to feel the net was being tightened around me when police security outside my home in Karachi was reduced, even as I was told that other assassination plots were in the offing. While the authorities speculated on whether a suicide bomber had been involved or two suicide bombers or perhaps a hand grenade or perhaps a car bomb, I reflected on my plight. I decided not to be holed up in my home, a virtual prisoner. I went to my ancestral village of Larkana to pray at my father's grave. Everywhere, the people rallied around me in a frenzy of joy. I feel humbled by their love and trust. Although it remains difficult to know for certain, I doubt that a suicide bomber was involved in the attack on me. I suspect, after talking to some of the injured, that the terrorists used a small child as a ploy to get to me. They were trying to hoist the child -- dressed in the colors of my party's flag -- onto my truck. Failing to do so, they dropped the child near my vehicle. Some witnesses said the child had been rigged as a human bomb. I can't be sure. What followed was a massive explosion, killing scores immediately, tearing many bodies in half and sending blood, gore and flames up into the vehicle. In less than a minute a second bomb -- reports later suggested a car bomb -- went off. As I have reflected on the past two weeks, there are some things I wonder about: • What was the car doing there? • Why had the street lights been turned off? • Was that intended to prevent my security from clearly seeing any approaching dangers? • Is there any truth to the report that a high government official ordered the lights turned off "to prevent her getting so much television coverage"? • Why would the leadership of the ruling party of Pakistan make a claim that my own party had committed the attack to gain sympathy? • Why would the investigation be initially given to a police officer who was present when my husband was nearly tortured to death in 1999? And, then, there is to me the most worrying: the adamant rejection by Islamabad of any assistance from the state-of-the art forensic teams of the FBI and Scotland Yard. There are precedents in Pakistan for such international assistance. Such teams were called in to investigate the mysterious and sudden death of Army Chief General Asif Nawaz and the Egyptian Embassy bombing in the '90s. I had called in international experts when my brother Murtaza was killed in what I believed was a conspiracy to destabilize my government in 1996. We can only wonder -- if there is nothing to hide -- why international investigators from the FBI and Scotland Yard are being prevented from assisting a Pakistan-led investigation? The sham investigation of the October 19 massacre and the attempt by the ruling party to politically capitalize on this catastrophe are discomforting, but do not suggest any direct involvement by General Pervez Musharraf. Until recently, he had made both public and private commitments to confidence building gestures that would move Pakistan forward in the transition to democracy. But at a time when he should be demonstrating to our country and the world his seriousness in allowing free, fair and transparent elections, he has declared martial law. This can only be seen as a step to entrench his dictatorship. We must have elections under an independent caretaker government, and neutral administrative officials who have the confidence of all major political parties in the country. And these elections should be under the supervision of an autonomous and competent Election Commission. It is time that Islamabad facilitates the operation of a rigorous election monitoring mechanism -- both domestic and international -- that can guarantee the sanctity of the ballot and allows election experts to conduct exit polls to insure that the counting reflects the voting. It is time, in other words, for reconciliation to truly begin that will allow for the mobilization of the moderate majority of my nation and the marginalization of militants, fanatics and extremists. But for that to happen, General Musharraf will need to revive the constitution by lifting martial law. Find this article at: http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/11/0...utto/index.html |
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| Adilah | Dec 28 2007, 03:21 AM Post #19 |
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If this does not turn American opinion against Pervez Musharraf nothing will. |
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| beatlechick | Dec 28 2007, 03:25 AM Post #20 |
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Adilah, the US was pushing for Bhutto and has never trusted Musharraf. Bush may be stupid but in this case, he isn't that stupid. Some people in our government are now voicing their opinions and asking for his resignation. Not that it will happen but just goes to show you we don't trust the man. |
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| Adilah | Dec 28 2007, 03:33 AM Post #21 |
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You may not trust him but your government has supported his dictatorship since he seized power. |
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| Deleted User | Dec 28 2007, 03:37 AM Post #22 |
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Oh dear the site hits the fan in Pakistan oops we have been here before. Point one Bhutto was not popular in the UK or the USA. Most people didnt know who she was or give a flying pancake toss about her or her father before her. Point two geo political considerations are always foremost in a nations leaders, but our interrest are not always one and the same with the USA, indeed they have been at odds for forty years. Point Three. It is and always has been a most corrupt cesspit alternativing between military dictatorship and a quasi dictatorship. Point Four. It has always been in our (UK) interests to be friendly, hell more than friendly with the Republic of India than with the Republic of the United States in the future. Point Five. Gordon Brown our fearless leader was pathetic the other week even when given a lead by the Commonwealth. The suspension of Pakistan for those not in the know. Pakistan in the past has been thrown out before and indeed under the military dictatorship should have never been in. But weakness in Downing Street allowing OUR interests to be superceded again. P |
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| beatlechick | Dec 28 2007, 03:38 AM Post #23 |
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Adilah, not as much as you think they have. Their view is that of like trusting a bank robber to hold on to your money while you look for your wallet. Looking over your shoulder at the one you are supposed to trust. My gov't was pushing for Bhutto to win this election, not Musharraf. They have not put full trust in him and that will be even less now than ever before. Peter, Bhutto has been known here for quite sometime. She was not elected the first time around, but her people did want her back. I know her dad was military and not all that well liked by many. Not sure about her mother. |
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| Bill | Dec 28 2007, 03:41 AM Post #24 |
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laffing me bollocks off the USA government was against a military dictatorship. sorry i find that hilarious. Eisenhower yeah he hated them, Kennedy he loathed them do we need to go on. |
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| beatlechick | Dec 28 2007, 03:47 AM Post #26 |
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Yes, do go on Peter. I never said we loved the family. I said we liked her and was pushing for her election. |
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| Bill | Dec 28 2007, 03:51 AM Post #27 |
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It may have been good politics for Washington to appear to support a popular democrat against a military dictator, but they knew who they could do business with. You know what they say - he may be a sonofabitch but he's our sonofabitch. And besides, he already has nukes so we have to be gentle with him, even if he has called a truce with the Taliban and turned a blind eye to bin Laden hiding out in the border regions so long as he doesn't make too much noise. |
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well that doesn't cut any ice with us mature democracies, parliament here hated tin pot willy but parliament is not the government. |
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| ~LovelyRita~ | Dec 28 2007, 05:22 AM Post #29 |
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just saw this on the news, she was an incredible women whom I greatly admired. |
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| Dorfliedot | Dec 28 2007, 08:11 AM Post #31 |
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The truth I don't know much about her. but, I do know that women do have hard time moving up in politics. |
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| McGoo | Dec 28 2007, 09:01 AM Post #32 |
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Let's not forget Bhutto was as corrupt as they come. Tragic and disturbing as her death is let's not kid on that she was some sort of saint. |
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| Colin | Dec 28 2007, 11:12 AM Post #33 |
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Allegedly. |
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| Dorfliedot | Dec 28 2007, 11:16 AM Post #34 |
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Nor let us not forget she was a women. |
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| McGoo | Dec 28 2007, 11:29 AM Post #35 |
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No allegedly about it. FACT. |
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| McGoo | Dec 28 2007, 11:30 AM Post #36 |
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What's that got to do with anything? |
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| JeffLynnesBeard | Dec 28 2007, 11:50 AM Post #37 |
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I'd like to know what makes you so sure. Bhutto has always claimed that the allegations of corruption against her were entirely politically motivated and that the documented 'evidence' was fabricated. You have to conceed that Bhutto had plenty of enemies who had the political motive to smear and discredit her and her huband (who was imprisoned for eight years, during which he was tortured) and that, given how powerful her enemies were, it wouldn't have been difficult for them to fabricate that evidence. I'm not suggesting that Bhutto and her husband are, without reasonable doubt, innocent of all charges of gaining material wealth as a result of their position (and if that's a crime, then arrest George Bush), but I don't see how - given the political climate - anyone can say with conviction that Bhutto was guilty of the alleged corruption charges. 'As corrupt as they come' is a very strong statement, especially if you put her alongside people such as Idi Amin. |
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| McGoo | Dec 28 2007, 12:06 PM Post #38 |
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Come on Andy, did you expect her to admit it? I arrived at that conclusion after a extensive research. How did you arrive at yours? |
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| JeffLynnesBeard | Dec 28 2007, 12:10 PM Post #39 |
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By reading intelligent newspapers, by knowing what Amnesty International have said about the case, by following the story as it happened and keeping an open mind. Besides, if it was false as she had been set up by her enemies, why on earth would she admit it? |
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Blair and Brown are corrupt. Lets not pussyfoot around here corruption has reached the highest places in the UK in the last ten years. Bhutto was corrupt the whole Pakistan system is corrupt. |
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| JeffLynnesBeard | Dec 28 2007, 12:25 PM Post #41 |
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It would be a far more interesting game to name world leaders who aren't corrupt in some way, to be honest - which is slightly depressing. The point of the matter is, was Bhutto especially corrupt and guilty of all the charges levelled against her? I think the evidence is inconclusive and, indeed, some of the evidence presented as a rebuttal is just as, if not more, compelling than that supporting the original charges. It may be an OJ Simpson-esque twist where the crimes have been committed, but the evidence needed to pin the corruption conclusively on Bhutto was falsified - but we will never know. People can reach any conclusions they want, but it doesn't make them right - especially as this particular case is so open-ended and both accounts are just as probable. If it all comes down to believing who has the most integrity, then my vote is with Bhutto rather than her enemies. |
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| Bill | Dec 28 2007, 12:40 PM Post #42 |
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Corruption charges are the first thing that come out when trying to bring down the government and/or opposition. In Malaysia, when the dictatorial leader Mahathir Mohamad wanted opposition leader Anwar Ibrahim out of the way, he trumped up sex changes against him and he was jailed despite the fact that the hotel in which the crime was alleged to have been committed hadn't even been built at the time the crime was alleged to have taken place. There are always degrees of corruption. Did Bhutto pardon the scientist who leaked nuclear secrets to North Korea? Did Bhutto cut a deal with the Taliban? McGoo, if you've done this extensive research, then how about sharing it with the less enlightened among us? Don't make charges and expect people to believe it just because you say so. Put up or shut up mate.
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| McGoo | Dec 28 2007, 12:51 PM Post #43 |
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So your method of assumption is a nbtter one is it Bill? If people are too lazy to do their own research that's their problem. I have done my own and my conculsion is she was as corrupt as they come. |
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| Bill | Dec 28 2007, 12:57 PM Post #44 |
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And since you present no evidence to justify such a conclusion, it will be regarded accordingly. |
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| McGoo | Dec 28 2007, 01:02 PM Post #45 |
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| DCBeatle64 | Dec 28 2007, 02:56 PM Post #46 |
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The fact she is a woman should not be a priority concern at the moment whilst being a woman in politics is still an uphill battle, on this occasion that has got nothing to do with it, what the issue here is is about a corrupt state whether it be a woman or man |
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| BeatleBarb | Dec 28 2007, 05:21 PM Post #47 |
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While there can be no disputing she was a wealthy feudal landlord, it is hard to prove corruption, althought there are plenty of allegations. But my criticisms of her lie in her promises for her Pakistani sisters. She never made good on any of her promises to better the lives of women in her country. I know she had plenty of opposition to such measures, but she never even attempted any legislation, while she lived luxuriously. |
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| maccascruff | Dec 28 2007, 07:06 PM Post #48 |
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Bush and Cheney are corrupt. They have not helped the US. Musharraf is corrupt. Now the Pakistani government is trying to say she died when she hit her head in the car? Now who is corrupt? |
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| Kopite | Dec 29 2007, 12:09 AM Post #49 |
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It's really sad that this brave woman was killed. I'm sure she would have won the election, and that's why these anti-democratic cowards did it. I was hoping the security was much better after the last suicide attack, but it obviously wasn't. |
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We only know a person after his/her death. This is the world where we live in, a lie. |
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| beatlechick | Dec 29 2007, 01:27 AM Post #51 |
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Actually you do. If I were to say vehemently and with conviction that the sun was going to explode within the next year based on my extensive research, you would want me to show proof of my allegations. I've no doubt that she could have been corrupt, or some of her doings were, God knows her father was but to say that she was as corrupt as they come and show nothing to back it up is just pure allegations. In this day and age, I dare you to show me a politician that has been completely honest in their lives. Bill, she may not have pardoned the nuke secrets selling scientist (who created their first nuclear bomb and I believe may be exiled but not sure about that) or struck a deal with the Taliban but under her the Taliban did rise to power there. Unfortunately Musharraf has made sure that the Taliban has a safe haven there and there is some idea that his top retired military leaders are advising either the Taliban or Al Qaeda (don't remember which ones but think it is the Taliban). To say that she was as corrupt as they come is downplaying the corrupt gov'ts of Idi Amin Dada, Francois "Papa Doc" Duvalier, Manuel Noriega (US puppet), Adolf Hitler, Saddam Hussein, Moammar al-Ghadafi (remember him? He is quite quiet now), these people have been accused of killing their own people to obtain power. The list goes on but those are the ones I can think of off the top of my head. |
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| Adilah | Dec 29 2007, 04:09 AM Post #52 |
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She had many flaws, but the main issue should be that she and her supporters have been and will continue to be denied democracy because of a military dictator who is supported by the nations that claim to champion democracy.
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| maccascruff | Dec 29 2007, 05:35 AM Post #53 |
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Like Bush is supporting Musharaff and encouraged Bhutto to go home. Doesn't make any sense to me. |
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| JeffLynnesBeard | Dec 29 2007, 01:55 PM Post #54 |
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It makes sense to me - Bush obviously sees Musharaff as a like-minded person he can deal with. |
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| Bill | Dec 29 2007, 02:25 PM Post #55 |
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He is wrong on both counts. Nothing new there. Say what you like about Bush, he's no Musharaff. |
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| maccascruff | Dec 29 2007, 06:24 PM Post #56 |
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I hope Dubya is no Musharaff, but he still isn't the brightest bulb on the planet. How did Bhutto really die? 1. Gunshot wounds 2. Shrapnel wounds 3. Hitting her head on the sun roof lever I am so confused. The woman who dressed her body said there were gunshot wounds. Her family didn't have an autopsy done. Will the truth ever be known? |
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| beatlechick | Dec 29 2007, 07:30 PM Post #57 |
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He did support Bhutto in her election endeavors. It was when the rioting was going on, rioting because of her going against Musharaff in the elections, and all hell broke loose is when he was asking for her to go back home. It was so that things would calm down and hoping that the Martial Law that was called would be called off and elections would be able to take place. Musharaff has done so much to stab the US in the back and stab himself in the foot that full trust in this man has never been placed. Bhutto was seen as the lesser of two evils, sound familiar in recent Presidential elections, that all but the administrative offices of the US gov't was placing their support in her. The Administration was to stay out of Pakistan's politics until after the election. Now that election is in jeopardy. Who knows what will happen now. I don't buy her hitting her head on the sunroof lever killing her. She would have to hit it so hard that it would break and be embedded in her skull, just about. Not very plausible to me. Linda, the shrapnel wounds came from the bomb blast that blew up the assassin and killed the 12 (I think) other people. |
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| FamousGroupie | Dec 29 2007, 10:21 PM Post #58 |
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There was far too much blood in and around the car for her to die only of a fractured skull. (Yes, I've seen photos. No, you don't want to see them.) There was some blood on the sunroof lever, but I'm betting that's bleeding from the gunshot wounds as she hit her head. |
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| Bill | Dec 30 2007, 04:38 AM Post #59 |
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I suspect the differing reports of how she died are an attempt to change the story. Shots were fired, a bomb went off, Bhutto was killed. What difference does it make whether she died as a result of gunshots, shrapnel or shock wave? The real questions are who did it and why? |
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| beatlechick | Jan 1 2008, 12:48 AM Post #60 |
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Yeah Bill, like we're going to find that out anytime soon. |
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