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Lissa (mozart8mytoe)
Topic Started: Aug 22 2007, 08:57 AM (18,395 Views)
maccascruff
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Now I know what I'm looking for. I assume in the Christmas section?
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The flowers I planted for her are blooming. Perhaps I should have planted penguins.
"We call 10 American deaths a catastrophe. One hundred European deaths are a tragedy. One thousand Asian deaths are a shame. And 10,000 African deaths we call a Monday." - Lissa (1981-2007) السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته
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http://www.penguins.org.au/

I just "adopted" a fairy penguin on Phillip Island. Merry Christmas, Lissa.
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I just did the same thing at www.WildlifeAdoption.org .

Merry Christmas, Lissa. It's snowing in honor of you, too.

Glad your flowers are blooming Adilah.
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Dec 6 2007, 11:03 PM
The flowers I planted for her are blooming. Perhaps I should have planted penguins.

If you had planted the penguins under the flowers would they have bloomed earlier? :huh:
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The other day Christmas shopping I came across the "Bumping Penguins." 11 inches tall these two life-like penguins dressed up in Christmas garb would bump tails(?) if you pressed a button and they would wiggle about. The song was 'Twist and Shout.'
Somehow, in a show of extreme discipline, I resisted putting them in my shopping cart. :whistle:

(Sadly, or perhaps not, I can't find them on the web to show you.)
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Has it been almost a year already? -_-

This has been a truly f*cked up day.

I miss you, Lissa.
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I wonder how her daughter is.
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Lissa was one of a kind.
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I can't believe it's been almost 1 year. I can't say I miss Lissa because I wasn't close to her, but I hope everything is ok with her family and her daughter. We don't have Lissa among us anymore, but we have Mia and they are so alike. -_-
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Wow, almost a year. I miss her wit and humor. Definitely one of a kind. Do hope her family is well.
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I only wish I would have got to know her :(
[AND IN THE END.....THE LOVE YOU TAKE...IS EQUAL TO THE LOVE YOU MAKE
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I still miss her, especially when there's a conflict here. She always had something wise to say to calm people down. She always had something intelligent to say. Oh Lissa, I wish you were still here. You always knew how to keep me in line. :cry:
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maccascruff
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So Wednesday, it will have been a year. :( :( I still miss Lissa.

Lissa's wit kept everybody in line. Will be thinking of you this week Lissa, my friend. I wonder about your daughter, father and sister also.
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I was talking with another member and we both felt it more appropriate to remember her in a couple of weeks on her birthday. But then I realized that yesterday was the day of the accident. I guess from the shock of her passing I just didn't get that she fought so long to hang on. As Linda said it won't be till Wed. that it is one year for her passing. RIP sweet child!

And of course with the Olympics in China....
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Very sad. I only remember a few posts.
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Nice post, John. Lissa was so young and is so missed.
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Well, here's another clue for you all, the Walrus was Paul...
A void that is impossible to fill.

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It has been a very empty year.
"We call 10 American deaths a catastrophe. One hundred European deaths are a tragedy. One thousand Asian deaths are a shame. And 10,000 African deaths we call a Monday." - Lissa (1981-2007) السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته
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Aug 17 2008, 06:15 AM
I wonder how her daughter is.
She is well and awaiting the adoption process.
"We call 10 American deaths a catastrophe. One hundred European deaths are a tragedy. One thousand Asian deaths are a shame. And 10,000 African deaths we call a Monday." - Lissa (1981-2007) السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته
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Aug 17 2008, 06:41 PM
So Wednesday, it will have been a year. :( :( I still miss Lissa.

Lissa's wit kept everybody in line. Will be thinking of you this week Lissa, my friend. I wonder about your daughter, father and sister also.
It would appear this site needs someone like her to keep the tempers from flaring.

Her father is still waiting for the adoption to be finalised and her sister is engaged to be married.
"We call 10 American deaths a catastrophe. One hundred European deaths are a tragedy. One thousand Asian deaths are a shame. And 10,000 African deaths we call a Monday." - Lissa (1981-2007) السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته
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I can't believe it's nearly a year ago :blink:
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Well, it was a year ago today that Lissa passed away and a year since the world lost an incredibly talented musician, we lost a bitingly witty member and her family lost someone irreplacable to them.

What made this tragedy even more profound is the obstacles that Lissa overcame in her life to be the person she was and, of course, it could be argued that everything in her life, including the bad, made her the person she became. She was complex - it was obvious that she had a huge heart and displayed some remarkable attributes towards helping her fellow human beings, but it could also be said that she "didn't suffer fools gladly". Of course, a fool to her may not have been a fool to someone else, so perhaps she appeared overly harsh to people, but somehow, because of her intelligence, she got away with it, with hardly anyone ever taking offense at some, in truth, quite cutting comments - because Lissa was the one who said them.

Breaking the news of her death was, personally, one of the most difficult things I've had to do here because I was pretty much still in shock myself when I wrote those initial words. She was such a remarkable woman that I felt like I really had to get it right. The disbelief, shock and admiration for all that Lissa was and had overcome echoed through the thread - and the board - and I think that it was fair to say that Lissa's death changed the forum for good. Although there had been tragedies which had united us and led to us supporting, as a group, one of our members, this was the first time we had, as a community, lost one of our own and it just happened to be someone so - well, brilliant.

As to whether this site needs someone like Lissa, well - Lissa was a fantastic member here and I know that I and many people would click on a thread that said 'Last post: mozart8mytoe' and sometimes laugh, sometimes wince sometimes even get slightly annoyed because, let's face it, I didn't always agree with her, but she always expressed her views with such a clever and often concise conviction that she was quite difficult to argue with. I think we have plenty of smart people here, plenty of peacemakers and plenty of people who are on the forum for the right reasons, but we only ever had one Lissa and there only ever will be one Lissa. May she rest in peace and may she always be in our memories, remembering her with both a tear and a smile.
...and in the end, the love you take is equal to the love you make.
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Aug 20 2008, 11:50 AM
Her father is still waiting for the adoption to be finalised and her sister is engaged to be married.
Thanks for the update, Adilah. It's nice to hear that you have kept in touch and that life does go on.

Andy, your post is so profound that there isn't much I can add.
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Well, here's another clue for you all, the Walrus was Paul...
It's weird...I didn't know her except from this board...but a year later, I still truly miss her words, her wit and her wisdom.
I find it amazing that someone who I did not have the pleasure to know in person...could affect me in such a way. How I still feel so sad when I see her name. She made me smile, she made me think...she made me wish we were friends.

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This morning, I was watching a video on YouTube for Squeeze's song, "Some Fantastic Place," and it made me think of Lissa.

Some Fantastic Place lyrics
She gave to me her tenderness
Her friendship and her love
I see her face from time to time
There in the sky above
We grew up learning as we went
What a voyage our life could be
It took us through a wilderness
Into the calmest sea
Her smile could lift me from the pain
I often found within
She said some things I won't forget
She made a few bells ring
So simple her humility
Her beauty found in grace
Today she lives another life
In some fantastic place
She showed me how to raise a smile
Out of a bed of gloom
And in her garden sanctuary
A life began to bloom
She visualized a world ahead
And planned how it would be
She left behind the strongest love
That lives eternally
I have the hope that when it's time
For me to come her way
That she'll be there to show me around
Whenever comes that day
Her love was life and happiness
And in her steps I trace
The way to live a better life
In some fantastic place, some fantastic place.
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Wow, Clare, you're right, it does make me think of Lissa.

I didn't know her very well here, but those lyrics are truly touching.
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It doesn't seem like it has been a year already since she passed. I still cannot comprehend why people with so much beauty, talent, and intelligence, as Lissa had, get taken from this earth. It is such a terrible loss for the world. This just is still so unbelievable to me.
And in the end...The love you take..Is equal to the love you make.


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Aug 24 2007, 02:22 AM
We all understandably want to know more about Lissa. She gave us little glimpses into her life but rarely let us see much. She was an open book to her closest friends and family, but closely guarded her privacy with the rest of the world. She often said she didn't like interviews. Obviously she liked to talk and share her opinions. It's her privacy she didn't want to lose.

I did some research and from talking to her family and what I already knew I've put together this little obituary. This is not an encyclopedic entry about her life. I've tried to make this personal rather than academic. I hope in some way it helps everyone to better know the amazing person behind the unique username. Sorry about it being so long. I've edited out as much as I can.

Some of this might be difficult to read, but I think it's important to know about the turmoil in her childhood, not for any voyeuristic reasons, but to show how she overcame all of it with the love and support of her family and friends and made a productive and highly rewarding life for herself. She never saw herself as a victim and never let her past control her future.

Lissa was born September 1, 1981 just outside of Amsterdam, the Netherlands. Her mother was a teacher, mostly of history and economics, and an avid animal rights advocate and vegetarian. Lissa never ate any meat her entire life. She always said that's why she was never sick. Even as a child she never had chicken pox, croup, ear infections, or any other common childhood ailments.

When she was 3 years old an uncle noticed her playing along to a song on the radio on her grandmother's piano. As the family story goes, Lissa picked up the melody immediately and could play it by ear and improvised her own harmony. Lissa herself always maintained that the story was largely exaggerated, but she only had a vague recollection of it.

By the time she was 5 she was performing in youth competitions and music festivals in and around the Netherlands. She was a child prodigy. Her mother suffered from bipolar disorder and they moved around a lot, mostly because her mother couldn't keep a job for very long.

When Lissa was 6 or 7 her mother took them out of the Netherlands and they moved to France. The details of this period are a little sketchy. Her mother may have been deported from the Netherlands and they might have been homeless for a while, but Lissa's mother was a French citizen and was able to get government assistance in France. Regardless of whether they were in complete poverty or merely getting by Lissa was still performing. She was always an excellent student and quickly learned French and easily adapted to French culture.

When Lissa was 8 years old they moved to the United States. Her mother had an American boyfriend who seemed to provide the stability she needed in her life. He was a Jr. High school teacher and coach. Unfortunately, Lissa always hated him and their volatile relationship caused tension between her and her mother. As an act of rebellion Lissa refused to learn any English - besides the few curse words she already knew. In Europe she was always the best student with the highest marks in the class. She was always placed in advanced classes for gifted students. In the U.S. she was almost expelled from one school and placed on academic probation at another.

When she was 10 years old events in her life would drastically change the course of her future. During a music lesson at her teacher's house, Lissa was attacked by the teacher's pet dog. Paramedics had to amputate what was left of her big toe and part of her left foot. Later in life she always had a healthy - or morbid - sense of humor about the event, but at the time it caused a great deal of turmoil in her life, not to mention the obvious pain and difficulties. Her relationship with her mother's boyfriend only got worse. One of Lissa's physical therapists reported witnessing so much open hostility between the two that she quit.

A later physical therapist came to the house and found Lissa on the kitchen floor with bloody clothes. Her mother's boyfriend was already dead. Lissa would not speak to anyone for days and would not speak in English again for months, but the police eventually put all the pieces together. During a verbal fight that turned physical, Lissa stabbed her mother's boyfriend in the neck and chest with a screwdriver until he was dead. Why he couldn't overpower a disabled 10 year old girl is unknown.

The police discovered a large collection of child pornography at the boyfriend's house and office. Most of it involved young boys, but between the ages of 8 and 10 Lissa was forced to participate. Lissa was kept in custody during the investigation but no criminal charges were filed against her. Her mother was never aware of the sexual abuse or her boyfriend's preference for adolescent boys. Learning about all of this, combined with the state taking her daughter away drove her over the edge. The pain this woman must have felt coupled with her bipolar disorder is hard to imagine. While Lissa was in counseling she was told that her mother had committed suicide. Personally I think this was a mistake. You don't tell a child who has completely shut down that her mother's dead. This could have caused her to shut down permanently. Fortunately things were about to improve greatly.

During a routine investigation state officials discovered that Lissa's father was alive and well and completely unaware that Lissa existed. Lissa always knew that her father was an American, but she believed he was disinterested in her. On the contrary, when he was told about her he immediately went to see her. He got custody of her and took her out of the state facility.

It's hard for some of us to imagine Lissa as anything but a New Yorker, but when she first arrived she was completely a fish out of water. She had lived her life in small cities, mostly in Europe. Suddenly she was living in a whole new world. She had always had just her mother, now she had a father and an older sister. She was used to doing without and moving to a new town when there was no more money. They often got by on her income alone. Now she was living in a fancy Manhattan home. Her mother's family was European working class, mostly non-religious or culturally Jewish and largely liberal. Her father's family had been in America since the mid 1600s, were proud Christians and very active in conservative politics. The two sides of her family couldn't have been more different.

She was still going to a court-ordered psychiatrist and seeing a therapist as well as physical therapy, so her father let some of her more eccentric behavior slide, but he had one rule: speak English. This battle of wills lasted a long time. Wisely, he chose to continue her musical education. There was no musical talent to speak of in his family, but he had been told that she could play piano. He took her to a nearby piano teacher expecting her to play Chopsticks or Twinkle Twinkle Little Star. When she sat down at the piano he was amazed. The way he describes it is just like a parent talking about their child walking for the first time or graduating from college. He's not sure what she played, but he called it ''hauntingly beautiful''. This would be the first of many times she'd make her father - former Marine and college football player - cry with music.

As soon as they set her up with an appropriate teacher Lissa went back to piano competitions and festivals, winning awards in and around New York just as she had done in Europe. She was making life in her new home difficult for her father and sister and she was doing poorly in school, but at the piano she was as disciplined and focused as she was rude and intolerable away from it.

Her father was trying to be supportive, but wasn't happy that she would practice in the middle of the night. This was partly because of the insomnia that she had since her mother's death - and would have for the rest of her life - and partly to annoy her family, but it did turn into a bonding situation for Lissa and her sister. Not only would Lissa practice mostly after midnight, but she had a habit of practicing nude. Everyone told her father to ignore it and that Lissa would soon play at normal hours and wear clothes.

Lissa's sister got into the habit of joining her midnight rehearsals, but Lissa would only ignore her or kick her off the piano bench if she tried to sit down. Though Lissa was always smaller, her sister admits that she was a little afraid of Lissa for a few years. One night Lissa's sister joined her as usual, but this time she came out also nude. For the first time Lissa let her sit at the piano with her while she played. These naked midnight rehearsals were the catalyst for Lissa to let her sister into her life. Their father was pleased that things were going well, but really wished it could all happen with clothes on. It took time, but eventually Lissa and her sister became very close. Once she allowed her sister into her heart it didn't take long to let in her father as well. Some of her mother's family blamed Lissa for her mother's death and never forgave her, but her father's family always welcomed her with open arms.

When she was 13 Lissa auditioned for the New York High School of Performing Arts, the Fame school - ''without the spontaneous, yet choreographed dance numbers in the halls''. By this time she was speaking English well and was again the excellent student she had once been. She also made her first trip to Europe since leaving, playing festivals and competitions in Paris and Amsterdam. While in France she visited her mother's grave for the first time. Since then she would make the trip at least once a year for the rest of her life.

When she was 15 her father suffered a massive heart attack. During his recuperation she convinced him to go vegetarian. She'd already converted her sister and it was only a matter of time before she got to her father. The heart attack just made it easier. She never let any meat in the house anyway and her father always had to sneak it in, but with the help of her sister, a nutritionist and his doctor - who wasn't even a vegetarian - she made him promise never to eat meat again.

When she was a junior in High School, Lissa was invited to audition at Juilliard. She wanted to study and live in Amsterdam. It was always her plan to live with her family in New York temporarily and then move permanently to Amsterdam when she went to college. Her family wanted her to stay in New York. Eventually they reached a compromise where she bought a house in Amsterdam and stayed there whenever she went to Europe, but lived mostly in New York.

At Juilliard she met pianist Martha Argerich, who became her mentor and lifelong friend. At the same time Lissa's sister was beginning her career as an artist. Though Lissa had a strong aversion to being photographed she never hesitated posing for her sister's paintings. Her sister says Lissa was instrumental in helping her get off the ground. Lissa always encouraged her to paint and coerced a gallery owner to host her sister's first exhibit, in which Lissa was the first buyer.

During college she was courted by a few record companies. She was open to the idea at first, but disagreements over material and presentation stalled the negotiations. The more she learned about the record industry the less she wanted to record anything. She always had very strong opinions about art versus business. Eventually she decided to remain a live performer. Her concerts were known for her displays of raw emotion which she felt couldn't be properly duplicated in a studio. A bit of a perfectionist, she also said that mistakes made on stage could be quickly forgotten but mistakes made on tape last forever. Fortunately there are some amateur recordings of her and demo tapes she made in college. I have some of these on CD and will share them with everyone who's interested as soon as I figure out how. I have no doubt that if she became a recording artist she'd be as known today as the most famous classical musicians.

She was at the World Trade Center during the terrorist attacks on September 11th. During the rescue efforts she organized a small group of people to get as much bottled water as they could find and bring it to rescue workers. Later she helped post notices of missing people. Among the missing were one of her cousins and her long-time boyfriend. Both were never found.

In 2005 she played at the anniversary celebration for Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands and was awarded an honorary medal that she never officially accepted. She remained a Dutch citizen her entire life and showed nothing but respect for the Queen, but she had only colorfully bad things to say about royal honors. The next year she and a thousand other people played at the 60th anniversary celebration for the King of Thailand. The King was reportedly very pleased by her performance of a piano sonata he had written himself. More awards were handed out, but Lissa had already left the country by then.

Also in 2006 was Mozart's 250th birthday. Due to a misunderstanding she thought she wouldn't be able to play at the year-long celebration, but she ended up going to both Vienna and Salzburg. As a Christmas present she took her sister. They both had a great time with Lissa showing her version of Europe.

In March 2007 she went to Hong Kong for an international music festival and that's where I met her in person for the first time. I don't think I can ever express just how generous her spirit was. I think she comes off as a little guarded and distant in writing, but in person she was very warm and an energetic hugger. That really surprised me.

After our visit in Hong Kong she went into mainland China. On her way to Beijing she stopped at a school run by a colleague of mine. That's where she met Zhao Xiu. Zhao Xiu's mother had passed away two years earlier and her father passed away before she was born. Lissa and Zhao Xiu had a lot in common. Both spent their early years with only a mother who passed away when they were very young. Both studied music - Lissa, piano and Zhao Xiu, violin. When Zhao Xiu learned that an American musician was coming to the school she organized a small musical concert in Lissa's honor. What was supposed to be an overnight visit lasted two weeks and by the time Lissa left she'd started adoption proceedings.

Before Lissa left China she arranged for violin lessons from the nearest available teacher and of course instructed the school to stop feeding her meat. She planned to return in a few months to take Zhao Xiu to Beijing. Lissa wanted the trip not only as a way to see her again, but also to help acclimate her to a large city. Zhao Xiu had always lived in small villages and, just as Lissa had years earlier, was about to start a new life in the very large city of New York.

The Chinese government wouldn't let Lissa take Zhao Xiu to Beijing, but they did say yes to Hong Kong, with several restrictions. A government escort had to accompany them everywhere and Lissa could only spend so much money on Zhao Xiu. Although they were allowed to go to the new Disneyland in Hong Kong, Lissa was not allowed to buy Zhao Xiu any mouse ears or toys. Despite all the restrictions Lissa and her daughter had a great time together and Zhao Xiu loved her first visit to a Disneyland and the hustle and bustle of the big city. Sadly it was the last time they'd ever see each other.

In her short time on this earth Lissa made a tremendous impact. Above music, I think her greatest mark was her compassion. Since 2000 she was a volunteer counselor at a suicide prevention hotline. Since High School she donated half of her income to her favorite environmental organizations and charities and regularly played at organized concerts for free. She registered to vote on her 18th birthday and almost immediately became an active member of the Republican Party. Yes, she was a Republican. She campaigned for candidates and issues and was a Precinct Inspector for national, state and local elections. She opened her house in Amsterdam to families on government assistance since she only stayed there one month out of the year. She hated hospitals, but was always the first to visit family and friends if they were in one. She and her sister made sure their father never spent a night alone when he was hospitalized after his heart attack. She was the person they all knew they could turn to for assistance or support.

Lissa touched the lives of countless people and will be greatly missed. Those of us who knew her were blessed by God and should be happy for the time we had with her rather than sad for time lost. ''Life carries on'', she would say. ''Get over it, move on, and grab me a drink while you're up.''

Nothing personal, but this reads like a novel and all it would take to dispel any rumors about Lissa's death is to give her full name, certaintly no huge feat considering the degree of fame and celebrity this girl appears to have achieved after overcoming incredibly unbelievable adversity. I am very impressed by the outpouring of sympathy by the very caring and loving members of this forum, who apparently barely knew this girl, with the exceptions of Reverend Dave, an excellent writer who apparently knew even the most minute details of this girl's life from a very early age, Adilah and Mia Culpa.

I also note that Olen was the first to express skepticism. The fact that Adilah and Mia Culpa have now disappeared and Reverend Dave returned but did nothing to dispel the rumors gives me very great pause in believing that this tale actually occurred. I hope that I am wrong, because this person's life would be excellent material for a book or movie and I am greatly surprised that no obituary or even a picture has been posted.

Reverend Dave, please tell us the full name of this extraordinary person who was so beloved by so many members of this forum.
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I don't think I'm able to tell the story of my life in details what about the story of other people?

This is crazy!
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Okay, so after being accused of perpetrating a terrible fraud, Dave is supposed to be nice and betray a friend's privacy in way that could lead to busybodies from message boards harrassing someone's family?

Sorry, but get real.

No-one has the right to ask for anyone's full name and they certainly don't have the right to ask someone else to reveal another's personal information. What else do you want? Phone numbers? Addresses? Post yours first.

I've held back saying this for weeks, but if you really want to cross reference things, it's possible.
Dave mentioned that Martha Argerich was a mentor of Lissa's. Track her down and ask if she's heard of her.
But before you do, ask yourself how you would feel if a stranger came out of the blue and asked you if your deceased friend was actually real.

People need to mind their own business.
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Bill, I have only read 17 pages of this thread so far, but, yes, a link to this girl's obituary and a picture would not be asking too much after 43 pages of members pouring out their hearts and love to this person they barely knew. After all, we have the most intimate details of her life from the earliest age and no name, picture or article confirming the events. Reverend Dave was right here last week and never addressed the questions surrounding this mystery and it would have been a very easy thing to do. It's been over a year now and I am certain that a link to an article of one of Lissa's many amazing achievements would be greatly appreciated by everyone. I may be wrong. I need to crash now. I will read the rest tomorrow. -_-
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I'm tired of this Lissa, dead, alive, fake or not, I'm tired.

I AM curious about Lissa too. I don't know anything about her. You would be curious if you were me. I didn't know Martha Argerich was Lissa's mentor. If you can't understand people's curiosity that's your f*cking problem.
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as michelle said...how in the hell could he know all those minute details about someone else's life? for someone that didn't know her THAT well, or from her youth he sure knew alot about her life. and she didn't like interviews? she must have sat down with him one day and read her diary for hours for him to know that much. even my BESTEST FRIEND in the world doesn't know about things that have happened in my life when i was three. he wrote it as though he were lissa herself.

i understand where you are coming from, bill, in regards to everyone is just making something out of nothing but m..m...may....be YOU were lissa? ;) (this sounds like a movie where eventually everyone turns against each other). you just seem so defensive about the whole matter. ya might not like how everyone is coming up with different theories but that's not being a busybody...it's being human. and humans who had feelings for this girl. (i wasn't around much at that time to have those feelings).
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i'm wondering where bill got mia's blog address...and even moreso...why? (let's start more rumors) :devil: muahahahaha
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I have absolutely no objection to giving any one my address. Indeed many have it along with my telephone number , my mobile number, even my mothers email address and your point is Bill.

As was said to me within two weeks of the supposed tragedy certain FACTS were quite simply incredible. I had asked Lissa her sex on the Macca and if you notice she stayed away from me on here from DAY bloody ONE. The plain fact is ostentious erudition is just bullsh*t. Now if you happen to think that it is clever , well that is your problem.

Dave and it is more than likely only the one pillock made a big mistake. In this green and pleasant land we have many immigrants we also have many naval cadets both militarily and civil training here. Some of even know a lassie who married one, never post a picture that is paler than me.

I said to the fellow member of the board who raised their and other concerns to me, to look upon them as rather sad people and leave it at that. Over the course of the next 14 months more and more people asked me and other members questions even moderators were asked and in truth showed an appalling lack of either knowledge, gumption or plainly couldn't give a fook. But before Christmas I was p*ssing myself laughing so much but were concerned at the next chapter of the foursome. We were being prepared for the marriage of an muslim girl to an protestant minister as i understood it. And quite frankly the heroine that was Mia who after saving Dave's life well I was waiting with Gaza for her to be run over by an Israeli tank as she lay on the road circa 1989 Beijing.

Please everyone view it as a piece of creative writing if you were moved emotionally by it do not fret over it , I don't and never did for a moment, I moved by Lassie films so much so I refuse to watch them. The showing of empathy even with fictional characters is well known through the ages.

Now there are several courses of action, that the characters could take they could stop coming here indeed, they unless there has been a terrible boating accident on the Serpentine, it seems they may have done so. They could ignore all the fuss and resume as if nothing has been said, some of you would find that upsetting others would quite happily go along with them or so it seems.

Certainly it looks as they have done a runner well bye bye them.

And yes plese do look back at the thread done by the veggie nutter Venus and Mars, you will see Andy's name there.

But in reply to anyone who has asked I cannot see Bill's hand in the Lissa episode.

Someone did go into Lissa background very thoroughly.
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Jan 20 2009, 05:54 AM
Bill, I have only read 17 pages of this thread so far, but, yes, a link to this girl's obituary and a picture would not be asking too much after 43 pages of members pouring out their hearts and love to this person they barely knew. After all, we have the most intimate details of her life from the earliest age and no name, picture or article confirming the events. Reverend Dave was right here last week and never addressed the questions surrounding this mystery and it would have been a very easy thing to do. It's been over a year now and I am certain that a link to an article of one of Lissa's many amazing achievements would be greatly appreciated by everyone. I may be wrong. I need to crash now. I will read the rest tomorrow. -_-
If I were accused of what Dave has been accused of, based on such flimsy evidence, I wouldn't explain myself either. My response would be "f*ck you and the horse you rode in on!" That's effectively what Dave said, in a slightly nicer way.
In fact, that's what I would say if I were in a good mood. If I were in a bad mood, I'd tell them to put up or shut up unless they wanted a visit from my lawyers. That's just what I did say when my name was dragged through the mud on another forum.

In most civilised parts of the world, the onus is on the accuser to prove guilt, not on the accused to prove innocence.

If people want to spread their personal details all over the internet for everyone to see, that's their choice. Some of us choose not to. Some of us mind our own business. That's why anyone here who claims they know something about me is an idiot because you only know as much as I've chosen to tell you. Any colouring in done by gossips and busybodies is nothing to do with me. What you see it what you get. And what you don't see, is none of your business.

As I've already pointed out, all the amateur Columbos who feel the need for corroboration can find Martha Argerich's agent and ask if she knew this girl. She'll either say "Yes," or "I don't know what you're talking about."
Off you go then.
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Jan 20 2009, 09:16 AM
If people want to spread their personal details all over the internet for everyone to see, that's their choice. Some of us choose not to. Some of us mind our own business. That's why anyone here who claims they know something about me is an idiot because you only know as much as I've chosen to tell you. Any colouring in done by gossips and busybodies is nothing to do with me. What you see it what you get. And what you don't see, is none of your business.

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And now there is no Venus and Mars as a member. Totally wacked.
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Well, here's another clue for you all, the Walrus was Paul...
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What you see it what you get. And what you don't see, is none of your business.

I like that, Bill.

I'm done with this bullsh*t.
It's pretty obvious something is not quite right...but I'll be damned if I let them waste any more of my time thinking about it.
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"what you see is what you get".....

then don't try and drag people into grief...of course people want to know if they wasted their emotions on some fictitious character. it's only natural.

evidently, bill, you've found mia rather interesting or you wouldn't go looking at her blog.
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Whoever it is/they are, is/are entertaining writers. I tried to engage two of them in conversation and they clammed up instantly. Strange.
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Lissa's life would make a really great novel. Or movie. Or whatever you want to make.
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"what you see is what you get".....

then don't try and drag people into grief...of course people want to know if they wasted their emotions on some fictitious character. it's only natural.

evidently, bill, you've found mia rather interesting or you wouldn't go looking at her blog.
We think a little alike :rofl: If everything was just a bluff you and me should look for help. Two crazy women harrassing innocent people and making them victims of our paranoia. We are horrible disturbed souls, we don't add anything to this wonderful and perfect internet society. We never met Mother Theresa, we are not young genial pianist, we don't understand 1 word in Chinese, we have no life Nancy, can't you see? You little busybody. Let me return to my little mud, now you know, never throw pearls before me or I'll eat them.

Sincerely, If people don't want their named involved in internet gossip, conspiracy and crap they must be more clear about things. Don't need to give me full name or the size of their clothes, just don't make mystery about every little thing.

These people post once in a while, these people can't be reached, they live in a very tight circle full of coincidences and people expect compassion and understanding and come with the "what you see is what you get..." CRAP ?

If we didn't know about Lissa's death we would think Lissa's changed her username to Mia. I bet Mia wouldn't deny it at all.

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exactly, michelle my belle.

it wouldn't bug me so much if people hadn't been so wrought up in grief. i didn't know lissa so i didn't get 'that far' but i believe those people who were hoodwinked need some kind of closure. sure, none of those 4 owe anyone an explanation but it would be the right thing to do. but what can you expect, there will always be fraud on the internet. realllllllly odd not one of the four (or three) has returned...to at least defend themselves or say SOMETHING. that just justifies our horrible little minds into believing it WAS a farce. so THERE!!!!
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And now there is no Venus and Mars as a member. Totally wacked.
I don't understand what your problem is about that, Linda. I could have chosen to keep that to myself. In fact, a few people knew about it even before I made it public.

There have been a few people here who have had second accounts where they've been 'somebody else'. I'm not going to 'out' them. It's the internet. It happens. I was just having a little fun with this idea of a PeTA disciple posting on here & was interested to see how you lot would treat someone like that. I found out.

The reason I deleted Venus & Mars, along with lots of other accounts recently, is because we will be voting for a new admin/mod team shortly and everyone is entitled to one vote. Any second accounts would give a person two votes and that wouldn't be fair. That includes me.
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Sorry, Andy. To me it looks like Linda was joking. You know, with the Rev.Dave/Lissa/Adilah/Mia combo and then you coming out saying you were Venus and Mars, I think she was totally joking. I could be totally wrong, however.
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realllllllly odd not one of the four (or three) has returned...to at least defend themselves or say SOMETHING. that just justifies our horrible little minds into believing it WAS a farce. so THERE!!!!
They didn't appear to defend themselves because like someone said before, they have a life, they are not busybodies like us.

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Death makes people uncomfortable. Those of us who believe in God can find comfort in knowing our loved ones are in a better place. I'm not sure what those who don't believe do, but everyone grieves in their own way. Talking about it is especially important. Someone said we should all just say anything. It doesn't have to be amazing or inspirational. Just saying something helps. I think that's true. Not talking about it simply because she was only one of many people or because you only knew her on-line is unhealthy. Right now I'm merely babbling and not really sure if any of this makes sense, but I'm talking about it because I should.

Someone else said they couldn't talk about this with their friends, and I'm sorry I don't remember who said what, but that's probably true for many people. If my sister hadn't met Lissa she'd probably not understand either. This might be the one place everyone can talk. We all knew her to some degree so it's only fitting and natural that we all share our grief here. This can't only be a place to argue politics and play games.
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I neglected to mention the reason I began my babbling in the first place. Lissa's sister has been given this web-site address and has read or will read all these wonderful comments about her beloved sister.
Did Lissa's sister ever comment on the many wonderful posts that she undoubtedly read on this thread? Also, I have emailed the Martha Argerich fan site for help identifying Lissa.
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this busybody wants to know when you hear from martha.
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Sorry, Andy. To me it looks like Linda was joking. You know, with the Rev.Dave/Lissa/Adilah/Mia combo and then you coming out saying you were Venus and Mars, I think she was totally joking. I could be totally wrong, however.
I was joking, but I don't like that all these people are having second accounts. It became very obvious in the Awards.

Andy, did you see what I said to you in the ending of the board thread?
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Martha Argerich is recluse who had a very difficult childhood and rarely grants interviews or performs solo. She is highly eccentric and often cancels performances or entire tours at a moment's notice. The only way to get information about her is to contact her many loyal fans who consider her to be the greatest living concert pianist. Here is an interesting biography and the longest I could find after an hour of searching the internet.

Martha Argerich Biography

If admirers of Argentine pianist Martha Argerich could ask the award-winning musician for one wish, they would most likely try to persuade her to perform and record solo more often. Fans and classical music critics alike often express their frustration with the virtuoso, but not because they feel she lacks talent; critics repeatedly compare her sound, energy, and passion to that of piano legend Vladimir Horowitz. Rather, Argerich, one of the world's most exciting and expressive musicians to see and hear perform, appears on stage alone only on rare occasions, preferring to share the spotlight with other musicians. Likewise, her recordings as a soloist remain rare in comparison to those of other great classical pianists, although her discography includes works by Bach, Bartَk, Beethoven, Brahms, Chopin, Falla, Franck, Hayden, Liszt, Lutoslawski, Paganini, Prokofiev, Rachmaninoff, Ravel, Schubert, Schumann, and Tchaikovsky. "Any recording involving Martha Argerich is to be treasured," wrote Allen Linkowski for American Record Guide. "Her discography is much too small for a pianist of her stature, and public appearances become rarer and rarer with the passing of time." She enjoys playing the piano, but feels uncomfortable within the business of music and working as a "pianist." An always gracious performer, she collaborates with orchestras and ensembles "first among equals," as quoted by Bob Cowan in Independent.

The reluctant, yet not entirely reclusive, Argerich has presented the music world with just a portion of the masterpieces she knows and loves. Perhaps her reluctance could stem from wanting to always play to perfection and the pressures of turning professional at an early age, as illustrated by her description of one of the most defining moments from her childhood to Jura Margulis of the Call Project: "When I was very young, about eight or so, I was to perform a Mozart concerto, and before the concert I went to the bathroom, knelt down, and told myself that if I missed a single note, I would explode. I don't know why I believed that, but I didn't miss a single note. It's terrible for a young person, and that explains something about me today, I think."

Born in 1941 in Buenos Aires, Argentina, Martha Argerich displayed an interest in music at the tender age of about two years and eight months old. An extremely gifted child, her mother had enrolled her in kindergarten early, and most of the children were much older than Argerich. One of her classmates, an older boy around five years old, insisted on teasing Argerich, telling her that she was not old enough to do certain things. Nevertheless, the determined Argerich would always do exactly what her classmate said she couldn't, including playing the piano. "Once he got the idea of telling me I couldn't play the piano," Argerich related to Dean Elder in a 1979 interview for Clavier. "I still remember it. I immediately got up, went to the piano, and started playing a tune that the teacher was playing all the time. I played the tune by ear and perfectly. The teacher immediately called my mother and they started making a fuss. And it was all because of this boy who said 'You can't play the piano.'"

Recognizing her daughter's inborn musical ability, Argerich's mother decided to enroll her child in private lessons. And Argerich began playing the piano seriously at the young age of five, taking instruction from a renowned Italian teacher named Scaramuzzo. Argerich's mother, while not a musician herself, insisted on the best for her daughter and forced Argerich to practice. She commented to Elder that "I had the type of teacher and parents who used to tell me when I was a little girl that my fiancé was the piano. I didn't have much freedom as a child." Although Scaramuzzo flaunted a despotic and sometimes sadistic approach to teaching, he had taught some of the greatest pianists from Argentina. "When he would say mean, caustic things, he would do it very calmly, very coolly, such things as one was an idiot, and one shouldn't come to the lesson, and I had to concentrate on the mole next to his nose in order not to cry.... He was quite unpredictable, irrational, but a great teacher," Argerich told Margulis. "He said a student is like iron or steel, if you bend iron it breaks, and the sooner the better. If you bend steel, it regains its original shape." Thus Argerich, able to withstand the demands of her instructor, continued to develop her musical talent. In just a few years, at only eight years old, Argerich made her first professional appearance in Buenos Aires, displaying her mastery of both the Mozart D minor and the Beethoven C major Concertos. And by the age of 11, now studying with one of Scaramuzzo's assistants who taught her much about sight reading, the child prodigy had mastered concertos by Schumann as well.

Argerich continued to dazzle audiences throughout Argentina after her debut. Then around the age of 12, she left the guidance of Scaramuzzo's assistant for Europe to study with other notable instructors, including Madame Dinu Lipatti, who also used a harsh teaching style; Nikita Magaloff, who adored Argerich's playing; Arturo Benedetti Michelangeli, who insisted his students strive for perfection; and Friedrich Gulda, who Argerich considered one of her most important influences. Because Argerich, who spoke Spanish, and Gulda, who spoke German, could not communicate in the same language, they spoke instead through music, as well as in a made-up language they used together, which Gulda called "pan-Romanic." Argerich told Margulis that during one of her first lessons in Vienna, Austria, with Gulda, "he tried to transmit a certain emotion in the music to me, and since he couldn't find words, he grabbed me and pulled me in the bathroom, picked up a wet sponge, and dampened his face. Pointing to his soaked face, he said 'Like that! Like that!'" Gulda also would record his lessons with Argerich and make his young student listen to the recordings with him, so that she could criticize her own work. "This was very interesting because it was very democratic," Argerich said to Elder. "He liked to know what I had to say, what I thought. It was not this thing that usually happens between pupil and teacher. It was fantastic." He believed that a musician needed a bit of talent, instruction, and a sort of arrogance or vanity in order to rouse an audience. Argerich, one of his prized students, seemed to radiate all of these qualities.

In Europe, Argerich's skills steadily improved, and in 1957 at age 16, during the span of three weeks time, she won both the Geneva International Competition and the Ferruccio Busoni International Competition in Bolzano, Italy. For these competitions, the teenage pianist performed the Liszt Sixth Hungarian Rhapsody. Amazingly, she had never played a piece by Liszt before, as she confided to Elder, "At that time I was very superstitious so I wouldn't play a piece all the way through even for myself. I was afraid that something... so I just waited until I passed to the next round to learn the next pieces." Subsequently, these achievements brought even more prestige to her already legendary career. However, Argerich, feeling overwhelmed with her schedule, decided to retreat from making appearances for awhile, but emerged again in 1965 and became the first musician from the Western Hemisphere to win first prize at the Chopin Competition in Warsaw, Poland. Following this, she made her United States debut in 1966, performing for Lincoln Center's Great Performers Series in New York. With her reputation secured in North America, she then went on to perform as guest soloist with numerous orchestras such as the Boston Symphony, Chicago Symphony, Los Angeles Philharmonic, Montreal Symphony, National Symphony, New York Philharmonic, Philadelphia Orchestra, and Toronto Symphony.

As Argerich's career progressed into the 1970s and 1980s, she declined more and more opportunities to give solo recitals. In addition, Argerich realized that the life of a professional musician had its down sides as well as its rewards. She confessed to Elder, "I love very much to play the piano, but I don't like being a pianist. I don't like the profession. And when one plays, of course, it is important to practice. But the profession itself--the traveling and the way of life--all this has nothing to do with playing or with music, absolutely nothing! This is what I do not enjoy about being a concert pianist. You never know when you are are very young, when you are studying, what the profession is about." However, she did not turn into a musical recluse. Rather, Argerich altered her schedule to include numerous chamber performances, ranging from the works of Bach to Mozart, in addition to the master works of Beethoven, Schumann, Chopin, Bartَk, Janacek, and Messiaen. She most often appeared for recorded work and on stage with partners such as violinist Gidion Kremer, cellist Mischa Maisky, pianist Nelson Freire, and pianist/conductor Alexandre Rabinovitch. She enjoyed sharing the limelight with other talented musicians who, in turn, inspired her to delve into each piece.

Argerich also took inspiration from watching other musicians perform. One of her most memorable experiences includes attending a Vladimir Horowitz concert in January of 1978 with her piano partner Freire. The event marked Horowitz's first appearance with an orchestra in 25 years, as well as Argerich's first time to see him in person. Regarding Horowitz, Argerich said to Elder, "The strength of his expression, the sound, and this incredible violence he has inside which is so strange, weird, and frightening. That he can express it. He's like possessed. I've read about this, but this was the first time that I saw on stage someone who has that!" Later, though, critics would compare Argerich's playing to that of the legendary Horowitz. As Cowan noted in a 1999 review of her performance at Tokyo's Suminda Triphony Hall, "Argerich thunders the keys with as much energy and passion as Vladimir Horowitz did 22 years earlier at Carnegie Hall."

The remarkable artist continued to make guest appearances, give chamber performances, and release recordings well into the 1990s, all of which won critical praise. Further, she received two Grammy Award nominations for chamber music in 1997, one for an album of piano pieces by Strauss, and the other for her recording with Kremer featuring Beethoven violin sonatas. In 1998, John Ardoin of the Dallas Morning News named Argerich's two-day concert at Carnegie Hall on October 24 and 25 as one of the ten best classical performances of the year; for the event, the standard-setting pianist played concertos of Chopin and Liszt with the Montreal Symphony.

As an adult Argerich made time for other interests in addition to her music, a freedom she lacked throughout her upbringing. She confided to Elder that "I have long periods without touching the piano, and I don't miss it. And then I can get possessed by the piano for a while as well." During these times away from playing, she enjoys taking walks, spending time and talking with non-musicians, and experiencing different atmospheres unrelated to music.

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and the plot thickens...
Does it ever. I remember searching for clues of how to contact her when this happened. Couldn't find any. Couldn't find anything of Lissa being connected to her either,
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I don't understand what your problem is about that, Linda. I could have chosen to keep that to myself. In fact, a few people knew about it even before I made it public.

There have been a few people here who have had second accounts where they've been 'somebody else'. I'm not going to 'out' them. It's the internet. It happens. I was just having a little fun with this idea of a PeTA disciple posting on here & was interested to see how you lot would treat someone like that. I found out.

The reason I deleted Venus & Mars, along with lots of other accounts recently, is because we will be voting for a new admin/mod team shortly and everyone is entitled to one vote. Any second accounts would give a person two votes and that wouldn't be fair. That includes me.
As long as we are outing ourselves, I was Thumbs-A-Loft on PM.Com. I got some really heart wrenching confessional letters from you Andy. Doesn`t feel so nice now does it.

To further explain, the deception was not designed to fool you or Clare or any of the others that wrote to me, thinking I was Paul. It was however directed at one particular know it all as an April fool joke. I did not do it alone and would never out my coconspirator without their permission. Didn`t you find it strange though that we stopped communicating once you and Fiona and Clare started writing to us with their heartfelt emotions about the power of the Beatles And Sir Paul. The person the joke was meant for was told to hold this a sacred secret and the first thing she did was PM all of you and had you believing it was all true.
You say you want to save humanity but it`s people that you just can`t stand
John came to me in a dream and this is what he said. "I had a vision of a man on a flaming pie, and he told me that Betsy with a B not Lisa with a L is the biggest fan of mine". John trumps 'the boss' !

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When you are in the mood for more info, PM me about Mamuniaman!
You say you want to save humanity but it`s people that you just can`t stand
John came to me in a dream and this is what he said. "I had a vision of a man on a flaming pie, and he told me that Betsy with a B not Lisa with a L is the biggest fan of mine". John trumps 'the boss' !

I WAS ROBBED BY THAT DEVIL WOMAN

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Well, here's another clue for you all, the Walrus was Paul...
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Dang, I missed another good story on here. :rofl: :P
I actually remember Thumbs-a-loft...and the thought that it was indeed, Paul. Unfortunately, I have forgotten who it was that I heard that from...
LOL oh well.

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Dang, I missed another good story on here. :rofl: :P
I actually remember Thumbs-a-loft...and the thought that it was indeed, Paul. Unfortunately, I have forgotten who it was that I heard that from...
LOL oh well.
Twas evil old me and one other. Was meant as an April fool for one in particular. Imagine the shock when I got letters from Andy, Fiona, Clare and the intended victim. I felt like sh*t that they fell for it. It was meant to shut one and only one person up. It was even more disastrous when Andy PM`d me to share the news that I could indeed have a dialogue with Paul. The only other alter ego I ever participated in was Mamuniaman, remember he was supposed to have heard the stolen master tapes from band on the run.
You say you want to save humanity but it`s people that you just can`t stand
John came to me in a dream and this is what he said. "I had a vision of a man on a flaming pie, and he told me that Betsy with a B not Lisa with a L is the biggest fan of mine". John trumps 'the boss' !

I WAS ROBBED BY THAT DEVIL WOMAN

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Take a sad song, and make it better..."
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its if they continue the flame thats been lit or not???
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ok, groinman was definately innocent compared with all the crap that appears to have gone on before 'him'.
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LOL! Nancy, this was perhaps not as innocent as groinman, but believe it or not, we got the idea from your april fools joke about the announcement of Pauls concert dates prior to his announcement of his official tour of 2005!

As I said before it was targetted to one person who was the one who took the bait first. We were truly remorseful when people that we really had a respect an affinty to got dragged into because said target had a big mouth.
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John came to me in a dream and this is what he said. "I had a vision of a man on a flaming pie, and he told me that Betsy with a B not Lisa with a L is the biggest fan of mine". John trumps 'the boss' !

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Dang, I missed another good story on here. :rofl: :P
I actually remember Thumbs-a-loft...and the thought that it was indeed, Paul. Unfortunately, I have forgotten who it was that I heard that from...
LOL oh well.
I, too, remember that episode but I don't remember thinking it was Paul. Paul, in the early days, really did post but I believe it was under his name.

Betsy, that was kind of cruel. I know it ended pretty quickly but still.........
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i think i wrote to thumbs, too. hahaha, good one on me.
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Are you serious, Betsy? I wrote to Thumbs Aloft, too? :blush:
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Ah memories,

Well just for the record folks, Thumbs_Aloft and Mamunian were actually me. I was also The Leader and the lesser known and used Sammy_5.

Betsy was indeed aware of my alter egos and was to a degree my co-conspirator, but ultimately i opened the accounts, i ran them and I replied to people who fell for old Thumbs, It was I who posted the delibertely few comments on the board.

Betsy, no doubt claimed to be thumbs-aloft earlier to ensure the spotlight never strayed towards me. But i'm sure if she sees this she will happily concede that I was Thumbs.

Of course she did help along the way and we had fabulous fun.

Ultimately, a lot of people (including a few surprises) did fall for it, but it went way beyond even i imagined it would.

The intention, as Betsy said was to take the mick out of one particular member, who claimed close links to Paul, that , as Thumbs proved,
she never had.

The amazing thing was how easily the whole thing was achieved. Like i said, posts were scant, (less than 50 over two years i think) replies were very few and deliberately select, but somehow people bought into it.

It was, if i do say so myself ,an amazing and illuminating bit of psychology.

At first when i read some of the personal messages sent to my inbox i felt a bit guilty. But actually, the more i thought about it the more i realised how carthetic an experience this was proving for some people.

Put blunlty they wanted to believe,

To give you an idea of the responses Thumbs_Aloft inbox is to this day 100 per cent full, and over the years i had to clear out the pms on at least half a dozen occasions to accomodate more messages.







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Ah memories,

Well just for the record folks, Thumbs_Aloft and Mamunian were actually me. I was also The Leader and the lesser known and used Sammy_5.

Betsy was indeed aware of my alter egos and was to a degree my co-conspirator, but ultimately i opened the accounts, i ran them and I replied to people who fell for old Thumbs, It was I who posted the delibertely few comments on the board.

Betsy, no doubt claimed to be thumbs-aloft earlier to ensure the spotlight never strayed towards me. But i'm sure if she sees this she will happily concede that I was Thumbs.

Of course she did help along the way and we had fabulous fun.

Ultimately, a lot of people (including a few surprises) did fall for it, but it went way beyond even i imagined it would.

The intention, as Betsy said was to take the mick out of one particular member, who claimed close links to Paul, that , as Thumbs proved,
she never had.

The amazing thing was how easily the whole thing was achieved. Like i said, posts were scant, (less than 50 over two years i think) replies were very few and deliberately select, but somehow people bought into it.

It was, if i do say so myself ,an amazing and illuminating bit of psychology.

At first when i read some of the personal messages sent to my inbox i felt a bit guilty. But actually, the more i thought about it the more i realised how carthetic an experience this was proving for some people.

Put blunlty they wanted to believe,

To give you an idea of the responses Thumbs_Aloft inbox is to this day 100 per cent full, and over the years i had to clear out the pms on at least half a dozen occasions to accomodate more messages.







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i'm sooooo LMAO...but i'm trying real hard to remember if my pm was just a normal query or x-rated...i have tended to become overly romantic when it comes to PM.
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How did I miss those previous posts long ago,hmmm
anyway more importantly why is McGoo being treated a lot worse than what Betsy was given.No disrespect to Betsy of course but why the double standards on this one.They were both involved in it by the sounds of it yet it is all McGoo's fault. I know exactly who they tried to fool and I am kind of fascinated about how all this happened, it had of course always been speculation never confirmed so these things are always a risk
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Oooops. I posted a similar response to yours, Dani, before I saw this thread. :duh:




Why?
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How did I miss those previous posts long ago,hmmm
anyway more importantly why is McGoo being treated a lot worse than what Betsy was given.No disrespect to Betsy of course but why the double standards on this one.They were both involved in it by the sounds of it yet it is all McGoo's fault. I know exactly who they tried to fool and I am kind of fascinated about how all this happened, it had of course always been speculation never confirmed so these things are always a risk
Who did post the message? Besty or McGoo?
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Eric posted the 'confession'. That took balls, I admit that, but if Betsy was a co-conspirator, then I'm very disappointed in her too, I've got to say.
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Does this mean Betsy isn't really Betsy? Does this mean we hate her now? I hope not. Betsy seems to be a pretty decent person. I think maybe she and Eric made a bad judgement. But maybe people will hate them both. :(
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Does this mean Betsy isn't really Betsy? Does this mean we hate her now? I hope not. Betsy seems to be a pretty decent person. I think maybe she and Eric made a bad judgement. But maybe people will hate them both. :(
What the hell are you taking about. Betsy is betsy. I know, I talk to her on the phone. Has anyone talk to the others?So, what she had elder ego. she admittd to it. so, did I . which everyone knows I am antidotty. If anyone truns on Betsy I will be mad.
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Oh I know Betsy is the real deal. And I hope nobody turns on her either. If people start turning on her I'll be tempted and going under the name of Molbitch, and ya don't want to see that. :giggle:
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Does this mean Betsy isn't really Betsy? Does this mean we hate her now? I hope not. Betsy seems to be a pretty decent person. I think maybe she and Eric made a bad judgement. But maybe people will hate them both. :(
What the hell are you taking about. Betsy is betsy. I know, I talk to her on the phone. Has anyone talk to the others?So, what she had elder ego. she admittd to it. so, did I . which everyone knows I am antidotty. If anyone truns on Betsy I will be mad.
Oh god no, I dont wanna turn on Betsy, all I am saying is why the 'hatred' towards McGoo?
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McGoo confessed to his sin ~ I accept his apology. Life is too short. I don't think any great harm came to it other than disappointment. Life is too short and I'm not going to worry about this. How many other's have used a different name and tried to stir up trouble for the heck of it?

PEACE and love to my friends, Judy

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Till me meet again ~ I Love you Mike! You were one of a kind.
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McGoo confessed to his sin ~ I accept his apology. Life is too short. I don't think any great harm came to it other than disappointment. Life is too short and I'm not going to worry about this. How many other's have used a different name and tried to stir up trouble for the heck of it?
Bingo. :thumbsup:




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Does this mean Betsy isn't really Betsy? Does this mean we hate her now? I hope not. Betsy seems to be a pretty decent person. I think maybe she and Eric made a bad judgement. But maybe people will hate them both. :(
What the hell are you taking about. Betsy is betsy. I know, I talk to her on the phone. Has anyone talk to the others?So, what she had elder ego. she admittd to it. so, did I . which everyone knows I am antidotty. If anyone truns on Betsy I will be mad.
Oh god no, I dont wanna turn on Betsy, all I am saying is why the 'hatred' towards McGoo?
Oh, I don't know about that. I never had a problem with him.
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Put a puppet on it.
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My other identity is fab4fan... :o
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McGoo confessed to his sin ~ I accept his apology. Life is too short. I don't think any great harm came to it other than disappointment. Life is too short and I'm not going to worry about this. How many other's have used a different name and tried to stir up trouble for the heck of it?
Whoah! Hold on, i haven't apologised for anything! I see no need to. :yes:


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McGoo confessed to his sin ~ I accept his apology. Life is too short. I don't think any great harm came to it other than disappointment. Life is too short and I'm not going to worry about this. How many other's have used a different name and tried to stir up trouble for the heck of it?
Whoah! Hold on, i haven't apologised for anything! I see no need to. :yes:


Sure you don't. You can't help you are blinded. :lol:
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My other identity is fab4fan... :o
:rofl: :P :o I am Bill.. :lol:
i've always suspected that
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Okay, my head is spinning. "Who are you? Who...who...who....who?"
It's little twisted who. However, I am not taken spam. Sign my book Green eggs and ham. and, become a fan.
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My other identity is fab4fan... :o
:rofl: :P :o I am Bill.. :lol:
No it's NOT because John doesn't have an accent. :giggle:

PEACE and love to my friends, Judy

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My other identity is fab4fan... :o
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No it's NOT because John doesn't have an accent. :giggle:
I ain't got no axcent! :P
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