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| Bill | Aug 29 2007, 05:38 AM Post #301 |
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She might also have called our attention to the fact that lunar eclipses occur at easily predictable intervals.
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| Dorfliedot | Aug 29 2007, 06:18 AM Post #302 |
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| Deleted User | Aug 29 2007, 02:48 PM Post #303 |
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Interesting considering my signature, and "MY" definition of a stranger. Stranger - A potential friend you haven't had the pleasure of meating. |
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| fab4fan | Aug 30 2007, 03:57 AM Post #304 |
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Oh my, that would have been a delicious little rim shot for her.
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| Adilah | Aug 30 2007, 07:30 AM Post #305 |
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I have a message from Lissa's sister. I feel strange for presenting someone else's words, but she asked me to.
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| JeffLynnesBeard | Aug 30 2007, 07:54 AM Post #306 |
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Thank you for delivering Megan's message, Adilah - and thank you to Megan for taking the time to write that to us. It's very nice to hear from the sister that Lissa plainly adored. I'm just so very sorry that it is in these circumstances. |
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| A day in the life | Aug 30 2007, 08:24 AM Post #307 |
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Thanks so much, Adilah and thank you Megan for posting this message for us. I can only concur with what Andy said above, I don't know what else to say. Except that Megan is very clearly her sister's sister. |
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| LITTLE LAURA | Aug 30 2007, 09:01 AM Post #308 |
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Thanks (((Adilah))). You must be going thru a hard time yourself. Hang in there. Can you please pass on to Megan the following? (((((MEGAN))))): What a sweet letter (((Megan))). I too have a younger Sis, that I would be just devastated if I lost her. There's nothing like the Sister-Bond. Nothing. I loved to chat with Lissa about Mozart. Finding someone truly knowledgable about him is rare in any "world". Speaking of "world", I was sooo surprised at how young Lissa actually was. [boy saying "was" is sooooo hard]. She was so --well, worldly. Finally, I'd like to say that I still wake up each day, [I too can't sleep @ nite--another thing I shared], hoping this whole horrible event was one of my weird dreams--and not true. I rush to "Strawberry" to check, and feel crushing disappointment that we have indeed lost a much-loved "Boardie". I'm going to miss her terribly. I'm sending lots of cyber-hugs, to you and your Father--who has to be an incredible man himself, judging by how well Lissa did turn out. I just wish both of you could've enjoyed having her around much, much longer. Laura |
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| Dorfliedot | Aug 30 2007, 09:45 AM Post #309 |
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It nice of her sister to take time to write us. Thank You Megan! |
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| Deleted User | Aug 30 2007, 11:23 AM Post #310 |
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I agree. I've met some of my closest friends online and there's nothing taboo about it, really any more. |
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| LIPA | Aug 30 2007, 11:49 AM Post #311 |
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Thanks to Megan, who took the time to Acknowledge this site and all the nice folk on here
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| Deleted User | Aug 30 2007, 12:45 PM Post #312 |
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Thank you Adilah forwarding on Megan's kind words, which saddened and lightened my heart at the same time, at this time of great sadness for her. I find myself thinking that there being another example of Mozzie's great taste and insight. |
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| Jacaranda | Aug 30 2007, 01:10 PM Post #313 |
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Adilah thank you for sending us Megan's words. It is beyond touching to know that she was thinking of us, and for me, that she was without telling anyone thinking of a way to help Betsy. She had such a kind heart to go along with that sharp-witted exterior, it is so cool. Megan thank you. And if you want to get a good sense of some of Lissa's thoughts about things, check out the "Mind Games" area where she enlivened and enlightened us on a regular basis. |
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| Queenbee | Aug 30 2007, 01:25 PM Post #314 |
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Adilah, Thank you so much for passing on Megan's kind words about our forum and the people who belong to it. Lissa was always thinking of others. She was most definitely not your average person. Strawberry Field will never be the same without her and we were blessed to have known her. We will continue being a caring group of people who care about each as close friends and family. My heartfelt condolences to Megan, Lissa's father and her family and friends. They are the one's who will have to endure life with out Lissa. But I'm sure they have so many memories of her music, her unique way of making the world more interesting, and all the funny things she did and said to crack them up. I hope the memories will make the pain easier. Lissa was a diamond and a very rare one too. I hope the daughter she was in the process of adopting can become a reality still for her family. Peace & Warmest Regards, Judy |
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| Samwise | Aug 30 2007, 01:40 PM Post #315 |
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I'd like to echoe everybody else and thank you, Adilah, for passing on Megan's kind words. It was so nice of her to write to us all here. And, yet again, I am bowled over by just how amazing and caring an individual Lissa was. |
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| LadyMacca | Aug 30 2007, 01:48 PM Post #316 |
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Yes thank you to Megan for her words. It put a smile on my face. Lissa is missed by us each and every day, but probably not as much as your family misses her. She truly was one in a million |
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| maccascruff | Aug 30 2007, 01:54 PM Post #317 |
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Megan, thanks so much for the message. I'm sure you and your father are having a very difficult time and so are we--as you can tell. Did Lissa really like pop tarts? I'm Linda from SF and I never knew I could stay in Lissa's apartment. If Lissa had told me this, I would have made a special trip to meet her. And I live in god forsaken Denver where she would never visit. I do like to travel and Lissa knew that. I'm the one that went to London for three days to see Paul and Lissa thought I'd lost my mind. Lissa's kindness shows it her thinking of starting a charity trust for those of us in need. Please keep in touch with Adilah so we know how you and your father are doing. Thanks, Adilah, for posting this message. I know that I am still mourning Lissa and missing her a lot. And I can assure you that I'm not a 40 year old virgin! I have a job and a boyfriend. I also have an internet life, just as Lissa did. |
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| fab4fan | Aug 30 2007, 02:02 PM Post #318 |
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If Chicago is God forsaken then Wonthaggi is an exotic paradise.
(((Megan))) Condolences to you, your father and all her 'real' friends and family. Thank you for taking the time to get a message to us in your time of bereavement. I'm the father of 4 daughters. Many a night when we chatted I had wanted to pay her the compliment of letting her know that I thought she had many qualities that I would be proud to see in my own girls. The more I have gotten to know her the more I wish that I had more of her qualities. Love & Respect, John |
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| Bill | Aug 30 2007, 02:19 PM Post #319 |
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I'm not exactly sure what you're saying by that but it's funny on any level! :lol:Megan, thank you so much. There's nothing I can add to what's already been said. |
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| Dorfliedot | Aug 30 2007, 02:20 PM Post #320 |
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That is why it is good to tell other how you feel. John I always loved the way you talked about your children and wife over the years. not to many men do. |
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| Rose | Aug 30 2007, 03:55 PM Post #321 |
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Wow. Thanks so much, Adilah, for passing along that message. It once again shows what an incredible, compassionate person Lissa was. I surely cannot add anything that hasn't already been said...but Megans letter touched me so much...I felt the need to say something. Lissa was truly a wonderful person...and it seems that everyday I keep finding out more and more about her...that only makes me miss her more. My most sincere condolences to Megan and Lissa's family and friends...you were blessed to have her in your lives...and we were lucky to have her peek into ours. |
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| kink | Aug 30 2007, 05:03 PM Post #323 |
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Thank you Adilah and thank you Megan. |
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| audrey | Aug 30 2007, 06:50 PM Post #324 |
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Another one here to say thank you to Megan and to Adilah for sharing this message. Am in that godforsaken California here and although we talked about travels to places far away and places we both had been, sadly, we will never meet (not meat) I am sure many of us think that California is in reference to them personally, I for one would like to think it was in reference to me. (and i will let you all think that way if you let me continue in my selfish thoughts) Megan- you sister shared with us herself freely, and now in a time of great grief and loss you have taken the time to share some thoughts with us, you must have the same great compassion and courage that she had. She will be greatly missed here and i am sure even moreso by you and your family. thank you for sharing those thoughts |
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| audrey | Aug 30 2007, 06:51 PM Post #325 |
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oh and i am also not a 40year old virgin hidden in the basement, although sometimes i wish i was!!!! |
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| SherryO | Aug 30 2007, 07:19 PM Post #326 |
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Just add my name to the list, too....Thanks!! |
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| bluemeanie | Aug 30 2007, 07:27 PM Post #327 |
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| Deleted User | Aug 30 2007, 07:34 PM Post #328 |
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Adilah thanks for posting that for us. Megan my deepest condolences on losing such a wonderful sister. She was one in a million. |
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| Deleted User | Aug 30 2007, 08:04 PM Post #329 |
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Thank you so much Adilah for posting Megans words. I missed out on not knowing Lissa very well so these posts do help someone like me get to 'know' what she was like. I've not read about a funeral or memorial service. (sorry if I've missed a post about it). I know from my own family losses over the years, that can be a very private time and very much part of the grieving process. My thoughts are and still will be very much with Lissa's family and friends at this time. I also have read and understand that Lissa mainly lived in NY since arriving from Europe many years ago so I imagine that will be her final place of rest I'm in England so what I'm about to ask doesn't really apply to myself. I know from what I've been reading that Lissa chose not to be a household name, etc but clearly she was very talented, winning many awards and knew and helped so many people with her generosity of spirit. Will there be a more public memorial service in NYC that some boardies might be able to go along and pay their respects in person maybe ? Lissa obviously regarded many of the boardies on here as her friends and she cared about them very much by reading the posts of members memories and about how she spoke of them in Megans letter. I know personally I still haven't been able to take the whole tragedy of this in, especially reading about Lissa life and I can't even begin to put into words how sad and helpless I feel at reading many of the posts on here from the members who knew Lissa through her posts and clearly loved and miss her very much. My thoughts are with you too |
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| ~LovelyRita~ | Aug 30 2007, 08:41 PM Post #330 |
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She was so incredibly thoughtful, to want to help people she'd never even met. Do you think there is anything we could do for her? Or her daughter? I wonder if there would be some way we could donate money to the orphanage where her daughter lived (or still lives?), or maybe to one of Lissa favorite charities in her memory... |
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| FamousGroupie | Aug 30 2007, 10:40 PM Post #331 |
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Thankyou to Adilah and Megan, this must be so incredibly difficult for you. Megan, your sister was one of a kind and we're not likely to meet anyone like her again. I too am still mourning her as a friend, even though I never had the opportunity to actually meet her in person. It was especially hard for me reading your message, as I have a sister called Megan too. |
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| Deleted User | Aug 30 2007, 10:50 PM Post #332 |
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Megan, your sister thought so highly of you, I could tell all along. I think all of us here always strived to impress her, impossible as it seemed and though we'd never admit it. You obviously had her admiration. You and your father gave her a second chance and the world is grateful. Us... well, she always saw right through us.
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| Merry | Aug 30 2007, 11:05 PM Post #333 |
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I just want to add my thanks to Megan and Adilah for passing her message along. As I've said, I was never fortunate enough to meet Lissa in person, but I was always struck by the amount of wisdom and compassion she showed to everyone that she touched. It's almost as though she was a friend to all of us, and yes Fiona, I do believe she "saw through" all of us, a very unusual gift for someone so young. I want to express my love and condolences to Lissa's family as well. She was a remarkable person, and will always be remembered and missed. Merry |
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| Deleted User | Aug 31 2007, 12:16 AM Post #334 |
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Adilah, Thanks for being the "middle man", tell Megan she is welcome here anytime. |
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| maccascruff | Aug 31 2007, 12:33 AM Post #335 |
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Adilah or Megan, is there a way we could make a donation to the orphanage or to one of Lissa's favorite charities in her name. I think many of us want to feel that we are doing something for Lissa. I'm listening to her piano playing now and what talent she had at age 15. I had no talent in much of anything at 15 besides shorthand, typing and the dreaded bowling. Lissa said she would never have a bowling party for her daughter! |
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| Jacaranda | Aug 31 2007, 12:40 AM Post #336 |
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Yeah and I teased her that bowling parties were in her future. Sigh. If you look at Lissa's website, there is a nice list of groups she supported, but an organized effort/donation in her name would be beautiful I think. I am not sure if Chinese orphanages take donations directly (I just don't know enough) but there is a lovely organization called "Half the Sky," that helps all Chinese orphanages. I suspect Rev. Dave would know and of course, her family would know what would be best. I would like to know too so I could contribute. |
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| maccascruff | Aug 31 2007, 12:53 AM Post #337 |
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I have seen her website and the list of groups Lissa supported. Maybe Reverend Dave can guide us with a group donation. I told her bowling parties were in her future, too, and she was adamant that she would not have a bowling party.
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Looking through some of her old posts I saw that she was trying to take steps to reverse some of the effects of all her flying by contributing to http://www.treegivers.com/ , http://www.arborday.org/ , http://www.internationaltreefoundation.org/ . |
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| Bill | Aug 31 2007, 02:18 AM Post #339 |
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I was lucky enough to have a chat to Reverend Dave the other day and asked him about support for Lissa's daughter and the orphanage. He didn't have any details but is working on getting them and will let us know as soon as he does. |
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| Queenbee | Aug 31 2007, 02:42 AM Post #340 |
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Thank you Bill and Reverend Dave for whatever information you can give us to give a group donation in honor of Lissa. I'm still blown away at the talent she had. I don't have that much in my little pinkie. |
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Tomorrow, on Lissa's Birthday (the 1st of the month) I'll open the thread with some of her most memorable quotes which will be very open to additions when it has gotten off the ground. |
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| iscreamer1 | Aug 31 2007, 03:36 AM Post #342 |
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I just want to take a moment to thank everyone, especially Adilah and Megan for taking the time to keep Lissa's spirit alive. I love the donation idea and really hope we can all come together to help make a difference in Lissa's name. Not actually a difference in her name, her name is great....well you know what I mean.
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| beatlechick | Aug 31 2007, 06:08 AM Post #343 |
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Adilah and sister Megan, I can not really express my heartfelt thank you for what Megan said and Adilah so kindly posted. I still can not completely come to grips that Lissa is gone but getting these small glimpses into her life has helped quite a bit. Thank you, two sooooooo very much.
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| A day in the life | Aug 31 2007, 08:23 AM Post #344 |
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Those are some really nice ideas. I would like to know too, so if Adilah or anyone could let us know any details that would be appreciated. Vanessa xx |
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| MaccasGirl | Aug 31 2007, 01:52 PM Post #346 |
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| SherryO | Aug 31 2007, 02:58 PM Post #347 |
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All of you are so great...even though I've not met any of you. What a great way to remember Lissa. Just let me know where I can donate, & I will, gratefully, gladly. |
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| maccascruff | Aug 31 2007, 03:12 PM Post #348 |
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Thanks, Fiona. You have so many to choose from and it will be a very nice way to honor Lissa on her birthday. |
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| SherryO | Aug 31 2007, 03:40 PM Post #349 |
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Kudos to Fiona! I was thinking that we need a tree in our backyard, maybe I will do that for her next spring. I was looking at her old avatar, with the penguins, & I think we asked Lissa, why the penguins? Does anyone remember her answer? Maybe we can Adopt-a-Penguin somewhere? |
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| Rose | Aug 31 2007, 04:45 PM Post #350 |
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Since I am going out of town (and sans computer access) for a few days...I just wanted to let it be known that I am also more than willing to contribute to any charity or cause in Lissa's name. I am looking forward to reading some of Lissa's most memorable quotes when I come home. Great idea, Fiona... |
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| FamousGroupie | Aug 31 2007, 10:01 PM Post #351 |
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It's September 1 here. Happy birthday, Lissa.
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| Merry | Sep 1 2007, 03:22 AM Post #352 |
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Yes that's right Clare, it IS Lissa's birthday. Fiona the quotes are wonderful! Thank you and Andy both. I feel like I want to read more, though. She said so many witty things. Happy Birthday, Lissa! Merry |
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| fab4fan | Sep 1 2007, 04:45 AM Post #353 |
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Here's a toast to Lissa: To the only person who could get us liberal, PC, tree-hugging, conservative b*stards, bigots & racists to agree on something. M8MT, you were the best! Proost! Yeia sou! Cheers! |
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| jayjay | Sep 1 2007, 05:53 AM Post #354 |
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Ohhh my God.... I've not been here in so long due to personal circumstances, this is such a shock. I found Lissa to be one of the most interesting people here. Unfortunatley, I dont' post here often enough to get to know people as well as most of you and I don't think she and I ever posted on a personal basis, however, I do know that she was a kind caring person who had lots of love to give to a needly child and I know everyone here respected her. Sorry I didn't get to know you better, Lissa.... God bless you; we'll miss you. And I pray for your family as well. Janet |
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| beatlechick | Sep 1 2007, 06:02 AM Post #355 |
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Happy Birthday Lissa! I'm sure you're toasting it up with Mozart, Beethoven, Lennon, Harrison, et al. Have a wonderful afterlife but watch out for that Jesus. Just when you think that wine is almost out, poof, here comes some more. He sure likes to party! |
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| fab4fan | Sep 1 2007, 06:19 AM Post #356 |
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| FamousGroupie | Sep 1 2007, 08:03 AM Post #357 |
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I can just see Lissa arguing with Mozart and trying to tell him where he might have gone wrong in the classical music world. L: 'The Magic Flute, Wolfgang? What the f*ck were you thinking?' |
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| Adilah | Sep 1 2007, 08:34 AM Post #358 |
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I don't know anything about any organised charity efforts, but I can participate as long as I receive no recognition or congratulations. |
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| maccascruff | Sep 1 2007, 01:33 PM Post #359 |
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Hope you are enjoying your chat with Mozart today, Lissa. |
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| MaccasGirl | Sep 1 2007, 02:04 PM Post #360 |
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Happy Birthday, Lissa. I hope you're playing lots of beautiful music on a Steinway! |
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| Queenbee | Sep 1 2007, 02:45 PM Post #361 |
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| Samwise | Sep 1 2007, 04:58 PM Post #362 |
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| BeatleBarb | Sep 1 2007, 05:07 PM Post #363 |
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I've been away for some time now and like everyone else, am absolutely devastated about Lissa. Since I heard, I can't get her out of my mind. Last evening, it really hit me as I read some of her absolutely marvelous posts and sat and cried. I have a feeling I cheated myself in not getting to know her better. I send my belated condolences to her father, her sister, her family, and to all of us. I always looked forward to her sharp-witted responses, her surly attitude and her wicked sense of humor. I was stunned to learn that she was just 25. I was sure she was an accumulation of many more years. After reading Reverend Dave's posting, I was in awe of her life and the kind of living she had packed into her 25 years. She truly was quite the gem. I'll never forget the advise she gave to me when I asked for help on making a decision whether to take calculus or statistics (both of which I dread). "Barb - statistics is like a date with a high school boy who still wears a retainer. Calculus is like a date with an entry level jr. accountant who drives a Honda." - Lissa Moz - I've signed up for the Calculus. |
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| maccascruff | Sep 1 2007, 05:09 PM Post #364 |
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Barb, you from god forsaken California. Take the calculus for Lissa and get yourself an A! |
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| ~LovelyRita~ | Sep 1 2007, 09:26 PM Post #366 |
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Has anyone found a news article about the crash? I looked online and couldn't find any mention of a bus/car crash in Hunan on that Date. I also couldn't find any mention of Lissa when I googled her. I tried everything, her name along with Julliard, her name and birth/death date, well known New York pianists, her name with her mentor... I can't figure it out. Has anyone found any info on her funeral arrangements or an obituary in a newspaper? I'm not trying to put doubt on Lissa's life/death, but I'd really like to find a least one outside mention of her. |
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| Deleted User | Sep 2 2007, 10:47 AM Post #367 |
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| JeffLynnesBeard | Sep 2 2007, 11:40 AM Post #368 |
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I've tried most of those things, too. The conclusion that I came to that if there was a news report in China, then wouldn't they be online in Chinese? If that was the case then an English search with those key words wouldn't work. I hate to say it, but although this crash is huge and tragic news to us, there are events that happen like this nearly every day of every week across the world. Although the crash means that many people have lost friends and relatives very special to them, the incident isn't particularly special in terms of news in the vast scale of things. How many things happen in other countries that we're all blissfully unaware of? I've come to the conclusion that this is probably one of them. We just happened to know because Lissa was able to contact Reverend Dave. I'm not trying to play down your concerns, Grace, these are just my conclusions based upon similar thoughts. Plus, without a surname, it's very difficult to find anything on anybody online. |
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| maccascruff | Sep 2 2007, 03:40 PM Post #369 |
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In Reverend Dave's radio tribute, he talks about being with her at the end. Do we have any reason to question him? Not know a last name or the stage name that she used makes an online search next to impossible. I know that I've tried, too, and found nothing. Really didn't surprise me since I don't know her last name. Also, you don't have to put an obituary in a newspaper. This did happen in China and China doesn't like google. Plus, how do we search in Chinese? Reverend Dave has discussed it and Adilah passed on a message from Lissa's sister Megan. That's good enough for me to believe it, very sadly. |
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| Dorfliedot | Sep 2 2007, 03:46 PM Post #370 |
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You know my daughter didn't die when she got hit by a truck on halloween when she was 17 which fracture her pelvis. I called in work and told them I couldn't make it . because, of what happen. and the lady at my job said, their was nothing on the news about it. you think someone getting hit special two teen ager they have something about it. the lady thought I was lying about it until I bought her a note from the hospital explaining to her what happen.. |
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| Bill | Sep 2 2007, 04:15 PM Post #371 |
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We live in such a TV world that it's tempting to think that if it wasn't in the news then it didn't happen. If a tree falls in a forest and nobody hears it, does it make a sound? Maybe. Maybe not. But it did fall. |
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| maccascruff | Sep 2 2007, 04:22 PM Post #372 |
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My boss was actually on a jury last week--an attempted murder case. We searched the internet and could find no mention of it. I did finally see about a 10 second clip that the case had gone to the jury Thursday evening. I still think without a complete name, we'll never find anything and I still think it is real. I just wish it wasn't. |
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| ThirdHarmony | Sep 2 2007, 04:49 PM Post #373 |
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I just think it would be nice to have a face to associate with the name. Don't get me wrong - I think her writings provide an amazing window into her personality and we are lucky to have so much of them stored here - but I also find it a bit sad that most of us didn't even know what she looked like. I did a bit of searching on the Silver Anniversary of Queen Beatrix in 2005, where according to Rev Dave's post she performed. I thought perhaps there might be some pictures from the concert online somewhere but no luck apart from some clips of singer Angela Gheorghiu at the event. I did find the programme to the event, with the performers listed - but no luck there either. There was a Mozart piece listed (Pianoconcert nr. 23 ‘Adagio‘), but with a different female pianist credited. Perhaps she played with the Radio Filharmonisch Orkest Holland at the event. Or at some smaller side event. |
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| Mieke | Sep 2 2007, 05:10 PM Post #374 |
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I couldn't find anything either. I checked the concert for Silver Anniversary of Queen Beatrix in 2005 and Lissa wasn't mentioned. Neither was there anything written about giving her a medal. |
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| Deleted User | Sep 2 2007, 06:06 PM Post #375 |
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Maybe you should watch the Dutch google site: www.google.nl and then sech this:Konigin Beatrix Zilveren Jublileum Concert. http://www.google.nl/search?hl=nl&q=Konigi...le+zoeken&meta= There are ten pages. That's I can do for helping you. |
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| Deleted User | Sep 2 2007, 06:14 PM Post #376 |
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Linda (maccascruff) mentioned a stage name. Could that have been her? |
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Well the old man did jury service 14 or 15 years ago and it was reported in the national press, even though he didn't talk about it at home. Yes, the Daily Star is a national paper and yes it was blackmail involving sex. then the other rags got onto it. But that's the papers for you. I know some of you are trying to hope against all hope that it isn't true, but sadly it is we have lost mozzie and her family have lost a wonderful person. |
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Yes, I think we'd all love to hear it's a cruel joke. Better to be angry than this sad. But now it's happened we want something real to hold onto. She recently changed her avatar to a picture of her daughter but I believe it used to be her at the piano as a little girl. Even that would have been nice to have. Linda, I bet that yahoo avatar of her probably resembles her physical attributes. But just knowing the color of someone's hair and eyes just don't do it. I mean, my yahoo avatar doesn't look much different. Like John said, her sister's interpretation would be something. |
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| maccascruff | Sep 2 2007, 09:32 PM Post #379 |
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I would love to see a real picture of her. I had searched the Queen Beatrix site, too, to no avail last week. I've thought the same thing about this avatar. I know she had used a similar looking woman with different backgrounds at various times, so this will be the way I imagine her. I don't read Dutch, so going to Dutch google isn't going to help me. I do accept that she's really gone. I'd really like to see a picture of her, too, but I don't know how we are going to get to do that--unless Megan is willing to give us one. |
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| ThirdHarmony | Sep 2 2007, 09:32 PM Post #380 |
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Again, I'd like to point out that I'm not grasping at straws of hope here in researching this, if anyone somehow got that impression. I just thought it'd be appropriate if there was a nice picture of our friend to go along with all the warm words of sympathy and condolences expressed on this thread.
Yes, thanks. I've visited several of those. It is a bit difficult since I don't speak dutch, but I've managed to navigate through the pages pretty ok anyway.
I considered that, but it seems unlikely. The name in the program (which you can find on this page by the way) is Eliane Rodrigues, an established Brazilian pianist. |
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| maccascruff | Sep 2 2007, 09:37 PM Post #381 |
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Maybe she played with the Dutch Philharmonic. |
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| MaccasGirl | Sep 2 2007, 09:40 PM Post #382 |
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I, too, would like to put a face with a name. I'm glad to know I'm not the only one who's curious. Somehow I've always thought she was a redhead. |
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| ThirdHarmony | Sep 2 2007, 09:41 PM Post #383 |
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Yes, that might be it. I guess we've reached as far as we can on this unless we get some further assistance from someone with more information. It's too bad, as it would have been nice to see her in an enviroment that was so important in her life. |
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| ~LovelyRita~ | Sep 2 2007, 11:33 PM Post #384 |
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Does anyone have any idea what orchestra she played with? I'm sure that would be enough to track down her name. |
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| Reverend Dave | Sep 3 2007, 01:20 AM Post #385 |
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There's no such thing as a stupid question. Ask and ye shall receive, unless I don't know the answer. It's not that I know Lissa better than anyone else - many of you knew her longer than I did - it's just that circumstances have made me her very unofficial spokesperson. I met Lissa twice before the accident. The first time was in Hong Kong. She went there to perform and I went to visit her because she let me. The second time was when she came out to visit her daughter. I'm American, born and raised in California. I live in the Republic of China. Had I been in California at the time of her accident I'd be reading about all of this online like everyone else. By the Grace of God I live close enough to be able to offer what little assistance I could. I'm one of her local character references on the adoption papers and she also used me as a reference to get an R.O.C. entry visa. Given the choice between trying to contact someone in America and someone a lot closer they chose to call me. I only know so much about her life because her family was gracious enough to fill in the blanks. In fact, most of the information I've provided came from her family. Being with her near the end and shirking my responsibility to tell you all the tragic news, I felt it was my responsibility to answer many of the questions so many people had. I was reluctant to write that little biography, but people wanted so much more than that little glimpse into her life she gave us. I was not actually with her when she passed away. I saw her the day before and contacted her family at her request. My guess is that she was holding on just long enough to see them. It must have taken a great deal of strength when you consider the accident was a full 4 days beforehand. The family held a private memorial service in New York with close family and friends in attendance. Lissa was interred next to her mother in a small cemetery in the south of France, per her wishes. She was an organ donor, but because of the severity of the accident and location, no viable organs were available. Her family appreciates the thought of cards and flowers but is inundated as it is. Lissa herself understood that many of us have a limited income and would probably ask that you save your money. However, if people want to make donations to her favorite charities I'm sure the charities would be most appreciative. She was an active supporter of Amnesty International (www.amnesty.org), Greenpeace (www.greenpeace.org), the Cousteau Society (www.cousteau.org), Habitat for Humanity (www.habitat.org) and the NY World Trade Center Relief Fund as well as local music scholarships. I think Peter's idea of planting special flowers for her is probably one of the best type of things most of us can do. Giving money to needy causes is commendable, but planting flowers and trees is often more personal. If everyone would rather make one large donation in her name I could look into to, unless someone beats me to it. We would have to decide on which organization to contribute to and then deal with the logistics. The easiest way under the circumstances would be to choose a charity and then give everyone the necessary contact information for them to make their own donations. I don't know what's going to happen to Zhao Xiu, but I'm trying to find out. As soon as I know I'll let you all know. She's been informed of her mother's death, for the second time in her life, the poor thing. She doesn't live in an orphanage. She's under the temporary guardianship of the couple who own her school. Offers of donations are very generous, but for legal reasons not advisable. The short answer is the government would get most of the money. For the time being at least Zhao Xiu is being provided for financially. I don't have any pictures of Lissa other than a small publicity shot from a concert program. She took a lot of pictures when she was here but she didn't let me take any pictures of her. I suppose I could find a way to get the program picture online, but it really doesn't do her justice. She didn't have red hair. It was more golden brown. I haven't seen any news articles about the accident that specifically mention her, but most of the news in China comes from the government. They're not going to make any special effort to tell the world that an American died because of their poor road conditions and appalling transit system. They're having enough problems with all the recalls and the Olympics. This was also at the height of typhoon season. There were 3 typhoons in 2 weeks that killed thousands of people, some directly from the typhoons, most from floods and mudslides. Among Lissa's possessions was a Chinese gift for a child named Grace. No one knows who this was for. There are no children named Grace among her family and friends. I know it's a long-shot, but I'm hoping someone here can shed some light on this. I know we have a Grace here, but this is really more child-appropriate. If you have any information that might be helpful please e-mail me. |
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| manon | Sep 3 2007, 01:35 AM Post #386 |
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Thank you for all the information Reverend Dave. |
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Grace is lisa's child Jaracanda one of the mods Rev.DAve |
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| FamousGroupie | Sep 3 2007, 01:39 AM Post #388 |
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Isn't Jacaranda's (Lisa) daughter Grace? |
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| Jacaranda | Sep 3 2007, 02:12 AM Post #389 |
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I am pretty sure that the Grace that Lissa had left the gift for is my daughter Grace, Rev. Dave, who my husband and I adopted from China in 2002. I am so grateful that she thought of her. Thank you Rev. Dave and thank you, Lissa. |
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| BeatleBarb | Sep 3 2007, 02:25 AM Post #390 |
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Wow, the more I read about Lissa, the more I'm blown away by her. Thanks, Reverend Dave for all your help. It is greatly appreciated. How thoughtful of Lissa to think of your Grace, Lisa. |
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| ~LovelyRita~ | Sep 3 2007, 02:45 AM Post #391 |
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Thanks Reverend Dave. I'm sure all of us would appreciate even a small picture of her if there is any way you could post that program picture. And how nice of her to think of Lisa's daughter. |
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| Dorfliedot | Sep 3 2007, 03:45 AM Post #392 |
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I don't know why, but I keep thinking that lisa should adopt Zhao Xiu. For grace to have a little sister and Zhao Xiu can have a sister as well. and, someone to play with and enjoy her child hood with.. Not that Lisa will adopt her. it just I think it would be great if lisa wanted too. and can.. please forgive me Lisa for the suggestion. I just got in my head that you would make a great mom for her.
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| Deleted User | Sep 3 2007, 03:57 AM Post #393 |
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I think they'sve got an web-site. I can speak and understand Dutch,but I don't have th time to translate all the stuff plus I have to go to mine work in about an half an hour. (Production work)... |
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| Bill | Sep 3 2007, 04:03 AM Post #394 |
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Just my own personal feelings, but I don't want a picture. She never posted one while she was with us and Dave has written of her aversion to cameras. Knowing what else we know from Dave, such an aversion is entirely understandable. Since we lost Lissa, we have been privileged to share her life story and her music in ways that she would have been reluctant (to put it mildly) to share herself. I, for one, prefer to let her keep that last level of mystery. I'm as curious as the next person, but Lissa's own preferences are profoundly clear and I respect that. |
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| LIPA | Sep 3 2007, 04:28 AM Post #395 |
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Bill thats how I view this, mystery of what Lissa looked like seems just that |
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I agree, I don't need a picture either. I myself hate having my picture taken and would not be happy after my death having some posted. |
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| Merry | Sep 3 2007, 05:33 AM Post #397 |
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I tend to agree, I would rather not invade her privacy. As someone who is also averse to having my picture taken, I can certainly understand and respect that. Merry |
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| Dorfliedot | Sep 3 2007, 05:49 AM Post #398 |
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Tony, believe me you won't even care. reason, you won't even know. because, we hide it from you.
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| beatlechick | Sep 3 2007, 07:44 AM Post #399 |
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Well I did do a Google search for auto/bus accidents in China on that day. What I got back was there were a few with 20 more casualties. As for not being able to read a certain language, you can open programs like Babel Fish that do translations. And Lisa, so cool that Lissa thought of your Grace! |
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| maccascruff | Sep 3 2007, 02:57 PM Post #400 |
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Thank you Dave for the information. As for a picture of Lissa, perhaps Dave could send it to people via email for those of us who do want to see it. I don't think it should be posted on the board. Lisa, how sweet of Lissa to think of Grace. I'm sure both of you will treasure Lissa's gift. I spent a long time on Google yesterday searching for anything. A search on mozart8mytoe brought up one very interesting find, which I will let you find for yourselves. That was also her Yahoo ID, but when I clicked on the profile, it said it couldn't be found. |
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