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Teaching birth control in school; What do you think
Topic Started: Jul 27 2007, 06:28 PM (702 Views)
Aimee Wilbury
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What do you think about teaching birth control in classrooms

Does it encourage them to... well you know, or does it control births

Where I live, they can show porno movies if they label it as "sex education"
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If safe sex isn't taught, we can't complain that no one makes use of it.
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Yes definitely teach it and hope that it registers with some people. Anything that might reduce the number of unplanned pregnancies and instances of unsafe sex is a good thing as I see it.
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Jul 27 2007, 11:34 AM
If safe sex isn't taught, we can't complain that no one makes use of it.

Well said, Fiona, I agree.

You can't simply tell kids not to have sex and call that sex education. Why? Because no matter how many times you tell them to abstain, kids are going to have sex. There's no way around it. So at least make sure they know what's up, so to speak.
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When I was a kid the worst that could happen to you was she'd get pregnant or you caught VD. Now its life and death, AIDS is something that is still out there killing a new generation. I'd rather worry about them having safe sex than to plan a funeral.
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Jul 27 2007, 03:17 PM
When I was a kid the worst that could happen to you was she'd get pregnant or you caught VD. Now its life and death, AIDS is something that is still out there killing a new generation. I'd rather worry about them having safe sex than to plan a funeral.

Nicely said Tony. People figure that teaching birth control only means giving the okay for promiscuity. It does not. It teaches you about sex, sure, but it also teaches you the consequences. Part of the consequences, unfortunately, is HIV/AIDS. This is a disease that should be eradicated by now but the information just isn't reaching everyone or people figure that, just like pregnancy, this is my first time I won't catch it. Your first time can mean the death of you. But if you aren't taught that, you won't know that either. Better to be safe than sorry. Better to be prepared than dead.
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Unfortuantely all the statistics prove that it actually increases under age sex and pregnacy, in the uk. If you wish to stop underage pregnacies there is an easy way to do so, stop housing support, child benefit and social security to all mothers under 18 or take the baby into care. You would see a dramatic reduction very quickly
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I kind of doubt that the future welfare of any baby is going to be on the minds of a pair of 16-year-olds full of hormones. They're going to do it - the question is whether they are careful or not. So you can teach them birth control or parenting skills. Those are really the only two options. That's why we refer to sex education as "the facts of life" because that's what they are.
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Jul 28 2007, 02:40 AM
Unfortuantely all the statistics prove that it actually increases under age sex and pregnacy, in the uk. If you wish to stop underage pregnacies there is an easy way to do so, stop housing support, child benefit and social security to all mothers under 18 or take the baby into care. You would see a dramatic reduction very quickly

I don't believe that the rise of teenage pregnancies proves that sex education is causing it, merely failing to prevent it, which I think is quite a difference. It could also be argued that there may be more teenage pregnancies without the dangers of unprotected sex being taught in school (pregnancy, STDs, etc.) and that education is stemming the flow a little. A lot of the time, the important information is taught after some of the pupils become sexually active, so it's almost closing the stable after the horse has bolted, so to speak. I'm all for teaching the facts of life along with periods, contraception and STDs at a younger age, perhaps just before the children are about to go through puberty.

While what you've said about the amount of benefits and help that single mothers receive sounds a little harsh, I believe that there are a substantial amount of people who don't see a great deal of employment prospects for themselves and so decide to have a Government-sponsored baby, complete with free accomodation and money. I have known a lot of people like this who have talked candidly about the reasons they had a baby, so I'm not just blowing hot air or talking theoretically. It is definitely an abuse of the welfare system, which is there to provide help to people in genuine need, but I wouldn't support the removal of that particular help completely, as the genuine people in need - of which there are probably more - would also be punished.
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Andy, I'm glad I read your reply to Peter before I posted it's saved me a lot of typing. :P
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Jul 27 2007, 04:17 PM
When I was a kid the worst that could happen to you was she'd get pregnant or you caught VD. Now its life and death, AIDS is something that is still out there killing a new generation. I'd rather worry about them having safe sex than to plan a funeral.

They didn't tell us much back in the early 60s about sex in school or at home. My mother has yet to tell me how babies are made and I'm 55. :o

That said, I know some people in Canada who have babies to get their "baby money". I'm not quite sure what that is, but they do things to make sure they got it.

In the US, people have babies when their kids get too old to get a certain tax credit. It's about $2000, but they get very upset if you call it welfare.
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Who goes into sex-ed not knowing what sex and it's purpose are? Learning about grotesque STD's, peer pressure and self-worth has huge benefits. The young girls with accidental pregnancies are just proof of how important these 'lessons' are.
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Jul 28 2007, 06:43 PM
Andy, I'm glad I read your reply to Peter before I posted it's saved me a lot of typing. :P

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the removal of social stigma and the granting of benefits to young single mothers have see n huge rise in underage sex and pregnancies. sex education has been happening in schools for more than 30 years. a part of that education is std's and yet we have seen a huge rise in sexually transmitted diseases. in quite a few of our cities ten per cent of young women have chlamydia. the clap is back on the rise again and with strains resistant to anti-botics. as for peer preassure the idiots that surcumb do not listen to the teachers anyway. some will always indulge in sex before their bodies or minds are ready, they are to be ignored in any social policy direction.

if you want to change the rise in both pregnacnies, abortions and std's in the young, you can forget about education it does not work. if you do not want to stop abuses of the welfare system ( come and take a walk around this estate and there are a lot worst in the country) by using social stigma or withdrawal of benefits fine, stop moaning about it and live with it.

withdrawal of benefits under clinton saw significant changes in lifestyles.
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Peter, although we don't always agree, your views are usually well thought out but I can confidently say on this issue that you don't know what you are talking about when you actually advocate social stigma.

Have you stopped to think about what that does to the child? I have. I've seen what it does to the life of a child of a young unwed mother who fell pregnant through no fault of her own (read between the lines!). It's a life you wouldn't wish on anyone. And if you think for one moment that subjecting children to that kind of life would be a good thing then sorry mate but you're talking class-A bollocks.
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I recall one junior High school In order to attempt to deter Teenage pregnancy and teach kids the real facts of life showed a film of the actual childbirth in a hospital not sparing any of the details of the whole ordeal.
It was more or less to show kids the reality of the situation. Although one or two parents disagreed with it . It was effective as kids were grossing out rather than making out.

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Jul 28 2007, 10:09 PM
Peter, although we don't always agree, your views are usually well thought out but I can confidently say on this issue that you don't know what you are talking about when you actually advocate social stigma.

Have you stopped to think about what that does to the child? I have. I've seen what it does to the life of a child of a young unwed mother who fell pregnant through no fault of her own (read between the lines!). It's a life you wouldn't wish on anyone. And if you think for one moment that subjecting children to that kind of life would be a good thing then sorry mate but you're talking class-A bollocks.


Bill I have to agree with you.

Besides who would want to be known, and called, a b*stard for that is the stigma that was placed on children of unwed mothers..........b*stard! I don't want to go back to that stigma. Children are children and should be allowed to be who they are. Not all unwed mothers became pregnant through regular means, some were raped so why place such a stigma as you are proposing, Peter, on people like that? Doesn't the rape victim turned mother already have enough on her plate?

Peter, the statistics really haven't changed all that much since welfare was shortened (was not taken away) under Clinton. There are still a lot of homeless on the streets and more families on the streets as well.

Yes, there are still accidental pregnancies and std's are still around. Unfortunately we are all of the mindset that this is my first time or I don't think it will happen to me. We know that this is not true but yet time and time again, humans test their fate.
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where did i say it would necessarily be a good. i am a wee bit older than you bill and lived in a far less liberal environment, try ulster in the 70's. fortunately the so called liberals and left had not forced us into an all ireland sectarian state, (funny that they used to demand full rights for illegals and immigrants but tried to deny people who were british by birth and blood those rights), due to that my mother was able to divorce the b*stard and get some semblance of protection from the police. i got called b*stard in the biblical sense, i also got english b*stard many a times when the boots were flying, so fooking what. outlaw one term that children and people use to abuse others and they will invent others. i had two school friends who were adopted both working class both got degrees one got her masters, looking out my window nope the little buggers cant read at 8, they like throwing stones etc, even with the lowering of standards in degrees i cant imagine the little darlings getting one.

on a personal level i know plenty about social stigma be it sanctioned by churches or the state.

fact were there less unwanted pregnacies and stds before sex education , lessening of social stigma and granting of benefits , duhh yes.

cathy just shut it will you, as far as i am concerned you are a us right wing polly tonyben. you have little or no regard for facts you only twist and distort them. you thought process is completely beyond me, it aint logical.

the statisitics have changed alot even a stopping of the ever seemingly irresistable rise in the growth of single mothers, would be significant never mind a decrease, which is what has happen. why the fook do you think, that middle class "socialists" in the uk would go gaga about them and try to get the principle compronents implementated here, duh duh, maybe coz the figures kept on rising more and more single unwed mothers with five and six and more of the little gets running round their feet, because that is what has happened here in the UK. tony blair tried to bring in essentially the same measures as in baltimore and was defeated by his own party and the liberal democrats, yet of course when the last tory administration wanted to do something and far less drastic by the way, we got the usual nasty party crap.

if you dont want to use social stigma, benefit policy etc to control the unwed pregnacies, the rise in std's AS I SAID BEFORE fine just stop your fooking moaning. the sex education programmes do not work, they aint interested in anything with the word education half of them can barely write their own names.
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What about if the condom breaks? would you blame the woman then?

Or 'date rape' ?
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Our schools taught us about sex and contraception methods long before any of us were interested. We knew what the diseases were and how to help prevent them before our homones gained strength. We are taught that our bodies are good and should be protected, not bad and dirty. We are taught that sex is a good thing (preferably in marriage), not that it should be hidden and scorned. We are encouraged to respect ourselves and others rather than create or succumb to peer-pressure. Most caring parents take an active role in the education of their children.

As a result we have one of the lowest rates of teenage pregnancy in the world.

I don't think it's a coincidence that nations where discussions of sex are taboo and the human body is shameful have the highest rates of teenage pregnancy.
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Peter, if you're going to advocate something, that tends you imply you'd think it's a good thing. If you choose to advocate something that is a bad thing, people are going to notice.

I'm the child of someone who was treated in the way you recommend. So spare me the condescension and the stereotyping as some kind of 'bleeding heart.' You're not the only one with life experience. Believe it or not, I know what I'm talking about. And if life was so crap in your day, it's pretty silly to argue for a return to those ways, no?

And the statistics you claim as justification for your viewpoint make no mention of backyard abortions. And why not? Well, it's the nature of backyard abortions that they are undocumented. What was the phrase you used? Oh yes... DUH! ;) How many more were forced into shotgun weddings and a life of misery and therefore not counted as "unwanted" pregnancies? Your figures are utterly rubbery.... ironically.
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Most caring parents take an active role in the education of their children. 



That is the key element, even in a society where the great and good ( the liberal intelligentsia ( sorry i cant help laffing) and the media) have encouraged licentiousness for forty years and more. Fortunately for them they do not have to live with the consequences, unfortunately i do.
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I couldn't care less about back yard abortions, our clinics are in the High Street.

We have already got the principle in our law and society that people do not pay for others offspring, please refer to the child support agency. A simple idea and one that would be simple to implement if the proper procedures were one put in place at the beginning and two that the lessons learnt by the time of our present wonderful administration came into power had been taken on board and measures taken.

What i advocate has not changed since the 70's which is that child allowance's been paid for the first three children after that not a penny more. If you want children you pay for them and you raise them, incidentally child allowance in the 70'a wasn't paid for the first born, a scandalous thing that was rectified. I am still sticking with the figure of three even though the green in me says two. Whilst i advocate marriage and would duly support it through taxation, another principle which hasn't changed, i recognise that with remarriage, living in sin etc, and the desire to have a baby with your new wife/husband would cause problems but tough three offspring per woman. Any more and you pay not society/state. In this country a women can stay on income support till her last child is 16! Naturally as someone who's mother worked part time since i was in nursery school and then full time from 6 or 7 i find ridiculous.

On abortion yes we do have it used a contraceptive here in the UK but again my principle has not changed, once is a tragedy, twice is bad luck, thrice you are sterilised.

One had to laff when dear david made his announcement on taxation and families the other week cause sorry that was what conservatives were asking for in the late 80's when the abolition of the married couples tax allowance was first muted, for those overseas yes it has gone.
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They shouldnt punish the kids of teenage parents its not their fault they were born.

I read "A teenage mother whos daughter also did the same can become a grandmother at age 29"
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Jul 29 2007, 04:08 AM
cathy just shut it will you, as far as i am concerned you are a us right wing polly tonyben. you have little or no regard for facts you only twist and distort them. you thought process is completely beyond me, it aint logical.


Thank you Peter. I used to respect your opinion but you really hurt me on this. I will no longer speak to you. Spin it anyway you want, but what you said is totally unfounded and I did not deserve it.
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If this is gonna turn into a flame war :argue:, could a mod please lock it. I hate it when my threads turn into flame wars. :nono: :nono: :no: :no: :no: :no:

On other words, I read in one of my textbooks about a study where they used abstiance programs and it actually reduced "coitus" I dont know what that means so could somebody tell me :blush:
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Jul 29 2007, 11:45 PM
"coitus" I dont know what that means so could somebody tell me :blush:

Coitus interruptus is my preferred method of birth control. ;)
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Jul 29 2007, 11:45 PM
"coitus" I dont know what that means so could somebody tell me  :blush:

Coitus interruptus is my preferred method of birth control. ;)

Uhh... interuppt coitus??

Let me look it up...

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The act of sexual procreation between a man and a woman; the man's penis is inserted into the woman's vagina and excited until orgasm and ejaculation occur


And coitus interupptus

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A method of birth control in which coitus is initiated but the penis is deliberately withdrawn before ejaculation
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Jul 29 2007, 04:45 PM
If this is gonna turn into a flame war :argue:, could a mod please lock it. I hate it when my threads turn into flame wars. :nono: :nono: :no: :no: :no: :no:

On other words, I read in one of my textbooks about a study where they used abstiance programs and it actually reduced "coitus" I dont know what that means so could somebody tell me :blush:

Sorry Aimee, unfortunately birth control and sex is a hot topic for a lot of people. So much controversy involved in one little act. What should be a beautiful act can turn very ugly.
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I'm all for teaching the facts of life along with periods, contraception and STDs at a younger age, perhaps just before the children are about to go through puberty.

Good point. They taught us the facts of life when I was in 5th grade, just before we all went through puberty.
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It's often very tempting to make assumptions about where people are coming from without having any foundation for those assumptions.

Free and frank exchange of views is encouraged, but things will be a lot more peaceful and respectful if people keep their comments to addressing what people have actually said without any extrapolation.

Thank you.
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Jul 29 2007, 06:45 PM
If this is gonna turn into a flame war :argue:, could a mod please lock it. I hate it when my threads turn into flame wars.  :nono:  :nono:  :no:  :no:  :no:  :no:

On  other words, I read in one of my textbooks about a study where they used abstiance programs and it actually reduced "coitus" I dont know what that means so could somebody tell me  :blush:

I know this IS turning into a flame war. :argue: :realmad: Unfortunately, birth control and sex is becoming a very hot topic.
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I'm thinking about making an educational video to be shown in schools...


...do you think Pamela Anderson is available?
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I'm thinking about making an educational video to be shown in schools...


...do you think Pamela Anderson is available?
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Olen's joke is a good forum for safe sex... If I remember, wasn't Pam Anderson diagnosed with Hepatitis? I know Tommy Lee has/had it...







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I'm thinking about making an educational video to be shown in schools...


...do you think Pamela Anderson is available?
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Olen's joke is a good forum for safe sex... If I remember, wasn't Pam Anderson diagnosed with Hepatitis? I know Tommy Lee has/had it...







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IIRC, Anderson contracted Hepatitis C by sharing infected tattoo needles. Hep C is a blood-to-blood transmitted disease, and thus only rarely transferred through sexual contact.

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Jul 29 2007, 06:45 PM
On  other words, I read in one of my textbooks about a study where they used abstiance programs and it actually reduced "coitus" I dont know what that means so could somebody tell me  :blush:

An excellent example of why we need sex education in schools.

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If this is gonna turn into a flame war :argue:, could a mod please lock it. I hate it when my threads turn into flame wars. :nono: :nono: :no: :no: :no: :no:

On other words, I read in one of my textbooks about a study where they used abstiance programs and it actually reduced "coitus" I dont know what that means so could somebody tell me :blush:

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Tell me about it. Once this guy was going down on me and all of a sudden I started thinking about Ann Coulter.

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Jul 27 2007, 08:42 PM
Yes definitely teach it and hope that it registers with some people. Anything that might reduce the number of unplanned pregnancies and instances of unsafe sex is a good thing as I see it.

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Well, kids are going to know about this stuff by the tie they're 12 or so by one means or another, so you might as well tell them, or et the school do it so they get the facts straight.

In my area, a Cathoic hospital is attempting to buy a public hospital...this would involve revoking birthcontrol education from local schools, as the nurses would no longer be able to give lectures on the subject. I was part of the march against it, along with about 2500 other members of the community.

...of course, once the kids get to University there is sex everywhere - however there is also birthcontrol everywhere. This is why there are university graduates.
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We discuss the biological, emotional and social aspects of birth control and sex education in general. Children are taught all the body parts at a young age and learn how pregnancy occurs and how to prevent it. Condoms are easily available at any grocery store or 7-11 and with practically free health care any woman can get birth control pills. I've seen no evidence that it encourages teens to have sex. In some cases talk about sexually transmitted diseases makes them less interested. The government says a good 90% of the population waited until marriage before their first sexual encounter. From my discussions with students I wouldn't be surprised if the number was even higher. It seems to me that the kids are intrigued by it all, but far more concerned with their safety. It also greatly helps that they have respect for themselves and a great respect for their parents. Say what you will about Chinese culture, but they have a healthy attitude about sex.
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