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Which legal age of consent do you believe is appropriate?
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The Age Of Consent; Which country/state has it right?
Topic Started: Jun 19 2007, 12:35 AM (853 Views)
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The age of consent for sex varies wildly across the world - and even across America. In the UK, the age of consent is 16 and so, when I first started talking to Fiona, I was quite surprised to learn that in California the legal age was 18. After getting into a conversation tonight where this subject came up, I decided to do some research online and came across some very interesting reading.

Here are some of the ages of consent across the world;

Argentina - 13/16
Australia - Between 16 & 18, depending upon state
Austria - 14
Belgium - 16
Bulgaria - 14
Burkina Faso - 13
Chile - 14
China - 14
Columbia - 14
Czech Republic - 15
Cuba - 16
Denmark - 15
Egypt - 18
France - 15
Germany - 14/16
Greece - 15
Haiti - 18
Ireland - 17
Italy - 14
Netherlands - 16
Norway - 16
Phillipines - 12/18
Russia - 16
South Korea - 13
Spain - 13
Sweden - 15
Switzerland - 16
Tunisia - 20
UK - 16
United States Of America - 14 to 18, depending on state & circumstance.

There are more countries here with more detailed explanations regarding individual countries if you're interested, but the major question is this... with first world nations such as Spain having a seemingly obscene consent age of 13 and Tunisia going completely the other way with an AOC of 20, which is the right age? Which country has the most sensible law, when the right age often depends completely on the individual? Is it even right for this kind of thing to be legislated so rigidly as long as adequate protection is given to vulnerable people and children?

Your thoughts, please. ;)
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Oh, this is a subject that which I'm VERY touchy on! Those who know me from off the board will know why, if anyone who would like to know my reasons, please PM me. I will be happy to explain, it's just something I'd care not air in the public.

In the state of Michigan, the age of consent is 16. But my feelings on it are mixed. You have so many of what are called "Romeo and Juliet Romances," i.e. older boy about 18-20, younger girl from 14-16, and then the guy gets in trouble nine times out of ten. In most cases and states, I know here in Michigan from personal exprince, the boy can be arrested and charge as a sex offender due to the girl's age, even if she has given her consent. Personally, in some ways I feel that the age should be lower, but on the other hand I feel the sex offender laws for this type of situtation should not be as harsh. It's a very mixed feeling and a very sore subject for me personally.
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I know where you're coming from Bridget and I can understand it being a 'sore point' - naturally, I wasn't thinking of the situation you're referring to when I made this thread, but it's a good example. How can someone be registered as a sex offender when the other person has lied about their age and given their consent?

Is making the AOC lower the answer, though? Are Spain & South Korea sensible making the age of consent 13... because that just seems way too low for me. I suppose I'm happy with the UK age of 16, but that may just be because it's always seemed 'normal' to me. :thumbsup: However, to some people, 16 may seem low - I know it did to Fiona when we first got talking about this. :thumbsdown:
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it is 35 for my niece.
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I'll say that in NSW, Australia the AoC is 16 but you're still considered a minor until you turn 18. I find that a bit odd.

edit: just wanted to make a disclaimer that I'm not 100% sure about that.

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Jun 18 2007, 10:10 PM
I'll say that in NSW, Australia the AoC is 16 but you're still considered a minor until you turn 18. I find that a bit odd.

edit: just wanted to make a disclaimer that I'm not 100% sure about that.

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That's just about the way it is in the States, too with the exception of legal drinking being 21. I know in my state of California statutory rape is considered for kids 16 and under no matter if it was consentual. I think the age of consent should be about 16 but only if they fully know what the consequences are and that sex should not be taken lightly as it can literally mean your life.
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The AoC in my state is 16 too, but you're right Trev, you're legally considered a minor until you are 18. That is, you can go to court on a charge when you're 17, but they can't actually send you to gaol until you're 18.

What I don't understand is that you can get your driver's licence here at 18, and the legal drinking age is 18. It's like saying to teenagers "Yes, you can go out and get p*ssed! And by the way, here's the keys to a dangerous vehicle! Knock yourself out kid!"

And they wonder why so many young peoples are dying on our roads.
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To be fair, what the law really says is that at age 18, you are mature enough to control a vehicle and to drink responsibly.

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I think this is one that is going to very by how old the respondent is . . .
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Jun 19 2007, 11:06 AM
To be fair, what the law really says is that at age 18, you are mature enough to control a vehicle and to drink responsibly.

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Wow now that is a question and I have some mixed feelings but generally speaking sixteen seems about right to me too, maybe that is because it's what it's been. Most people by that age aren't too vulnerable. What I would hope is that people see it as a choice which includes not giving their consent if that is what they feel is right for them.
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I've attached a poll to this thread, based on the legal ages of consent in the countries listed - please vote for the age you feel is most appropriate.
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The age of consent where I live is 16 and I think that is a good age. I do see a lot of girls who appear to be younger than that walking around pregnant. I really don't think you can make a good decision about sex at any younger of an age than 16 and I'm not sure you make a good decision at 16, but I'm old. ;)
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It's too young, they havent even developed a responsible mind yet, i don't mean to stereotype that age when i say that and i know many younger people here are sensible but come on?? why should it be legal when they havent even left school yet
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Maybe i'm just frustated cause i dont get any but hey i'm a geek what do i know :lol:
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18, definitely.

Those young teenage years are very rocky and sex is more dangerous yet encouraged than any other time. Before the age of 18 (sometimes after!), most teenagers are still learning how to judge the stability and character of a potential partner and still don't know their own limits.

I think under 18's should be able to have sex, as they do, but that the law should discourage it in order to make teens more careful about who they choose to become intimate with. If someone is really worth it, then the law is unlikely to get in the way.
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Also the media plays a big part in encouraging people to have not only underage sex but unsafe sex. There just isn't enough advertisement on contraceptives
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I think if soaps such as Emmerdale etc didn't show underage sex, that some teenagers who are underage might not do if, if you get what i'm saying :sweet:
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I voted for 21! I know that's not being realistic in our society but I don't feel kids younger can make a right decision at such a young age, heck their all hormonal at that age or the girls are just trying to please the guy. Can any of us seriously say we enjoyed sex at 16, 17, 18, where we just had to have it. And it seems once you had sex, it easier to have sex with another, then another partner when your still growing and deciding who you are and who you like. I say lock the girls in a closet!!!! I'm with Peter. And I'm old too!

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Lol Emmerdale and british soaps like that should be banned anyway :lol:

i only like Neighbours
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I was 19 1/2 when I lost my virginity and I am glad I waited. It was in a loving relationship and I just wasn't ready before then. It's such a shame that some people have sex just because their friends are, and not because they are ready
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I'm embarresed to say this but im 20 and never lost it

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Don't be embarrassed Nick, you should be proud that you still have your well you know what to give to somebody special in the future - you'll be glad you waited ;)
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Jun 19 2007, 07:52 PM
I voted for 21! I know that's not being realistic in our society but I don't feel kids younger can make a right decision at such a young age, heck their all hormonal at that age or the girls are just trying to please the guy. Can any of us seriously say we enjoyed sex at 16, 17, 18, where we just had to have it. And it seems once you had sex, it easier to have sex with another, then another partner when your still growing and deciding who you are and who you like. I say lock the girls in a closet!!!! I'm with Peter. And I'm old too!

I think you might be onto something there.

Nick, virgins should be proud. I honestly didn't expect to lose mine at 17!
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so it doesnt make me cool if i go with a different girl a week like my mates do

i'm probably afraid that i'll die before i lose it

sounds crazy i know but
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Jun 19 2007, 01:59 PM
I'm embarresed to say this but im 20 and never lost it

not that i know of anyway

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I agree with Nick, I say it should be 21. Having said THAT I am in Canada and the last time I checked it was 14 here. I think that is a big mistake.

Why? Well, the reason I went to look it up was after reading a news article where a pedophile said he had gone out of his way to "double check" what the age of consent here was. The guy was almost fifty. :duh:

As well as for the reasons Nick gave.
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18, definitely. 

Those young teenage years are very rocky and sex is more dangerous yet encouraged than any other time.  Before the age of 18 (sometimes after!), most teenagers are still learning how to judge the stability and character of a potential partner and still don't know their own limits. 

I think under 18's should be able to have sex, as they do, but that the law should discourage it in order to make teens more careful about who they choose to become intimate with.  If someone is really worth it, then the law is unlikely to get in the way.

I agree with you in a sense Fiona but voted for the younger age of sixteen recognising that many sixteen year old's are having sex. Unlike you I don't think it is the job of the law to discourage. It is either right or wrong. It is against the law or it is not.

You imply that eighteen should be the legal age but that younger people if they are with someone they think is worth it, will have sex anyway despite the law. That for me, leaves some people too vulnerable to facing criminal charges if a person then changes their mind and no longer thinks he/she is worth it.
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I agree with you in a sense Fiona but voted for the younger age of sixteen recognising that many sixteen year old's are having sex. Unlike you I don't think it is the job of the law to discourage. It is either right or wrong. It is against the law or it is not.

You imply that eighteen should be the legal age but that younger people if they are with someone they think is worth it, will have sex anyway despite the law. That for me, leaves some people too vulnerable to facing criminal charges if a person then changes their mind and no longer thinks he/she is worth it.


I realize these things will happen but as the line needs to be drawn somewhere I am most comfortable with 18. Of course, some 15 years olds will be having sex as well but obviously you wouldn't have the law deem that appropriate for the sake of romance. I don't think the law should be suggesting, I do think they should be enforcing, but the law takes pedophilia and rape a lot more seriously than 'Romeo & Juliet' romances and until the age of consent is lowered, teens might be thinking twice. On top of that, as Andy implied, the law gives people a sense of what's 'normal' and I'm not entirely sure the lawmakers should give the impression that kids having sex is perfectly alright. The general understanding in this country is that teens and children are a bit more grown up than in the states and while I'm delighted to see young children speak in a way that would put me to shame, I am saddened by the number of teenage girls with babies.
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Jun 19 2007, 12:59 PM
I'm embarresed to say this but im 20 and never lost it

not that i know of anyway

I'm not embarassed to admit that i'm still a virgin, and i'll be turning 26 next month.
And I plan on remaining one till...

I find the right guy

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26?? wow

maybe it's just peer pressure telling me to get laid i dunno
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I hope that people voting for 21 realise that their ideas would be making mine & Fiona's relationship illegal! :blink:

Besides which, it's just not realistic.
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Tough question, counts how mature the participants are.
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I voted 21 Andy, still remember the suitcase remark. :P
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i think if you are considered adult to fight in a war you should be able to drink at age of 18. sex 16 I am going to say. why, i did at that age. I knew to take birth control too.
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Everyone may mature at a different rate, but governments have to set a limit somewhere. There are a lot of sick b*stards out there and someone has to protect the innocent from me.

Not too long ago I would have said that 16 is a good age. If you are old enough to kill someone with a car, you are old enough to go down in the back seat. Sex is an important part of high school and certainly made things more interesting.

Now that I have a daughter, I think it should be closer to 40.
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Jun 19 2007, 12:59 PM
I'm embarresed to say this but im 20 and never lost it

not that i know of anyway

I'm not embarassed to admit that i'm still a virgin, and i'll be turning 26 next month.
And I plan on remaining one till...

I find the right guy

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I run into Paul McCartney :lol:

Liz, don't lower your values. Keep the way you are. Yes sex is great but should always be done in loving and trusting relationship. BTW, I was still a virgin at your age too.

Also, keep your hands off of my Charmin - errrr Paul!! :nono:
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The age should be 18, definataly. The age of 16 is when those hormones just reach a high point, that, together with all those depressions and stuff would make any 16 year old a potential victim to some sick SOB. I would also have to say that it depends on the country of which you're talking about and its culture. You can't really criticize a country without knowing its background or customs. For the U.S.'s puritanism 18 sounds about right, if the age of consent got pushed to an earlier age, those republicans would complain and say it's the works of the devil and blame it on someone else or what do I know. Anyways, although 16 sounds reasonable, I don't think so, it's about the age we all make our worst mistakes. Oh, but for my girl cousins, the age of consent would be NEVER
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Well....lets see...the age of consent FOR MY SON....should be...ohhh...about 21... :D and for alcohol consumption possibly around 50?? :whistle:

Interesting to see this though....
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Jun 19 2007, 12:59 PM
I'm embarresed to say this but im 20 and never lost it

not that i know of anyway

I'm not embarassed to admit that i'm still a virgin, and i'll be turning 26 next month.
And I plan on remaining one till...

I find the right guy

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I run into Paul McCartney :lol:

Liz, don't lower your values. Keep the way you are. Yes sex is great but should always be done in loving and trusting relationship. BTW, I was still a virgin at your age too.

Also, keep your hands off of my Charmin - errrr Paul!! :nono:

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Jun 18 2007, 09:02 PM
I know where you're coming from Bridget and I can understand it being a 'sore point' - naturally, I wasn't thinking of the situation you're referring to when I made this thread, but it's a good example. How can someone be registered as a sex offender when the other person has lied about their age and given their consent?

Is making the AOC lower the answer, though? Are Spain & South Korea sensible making the age of consent 13... because that just seems way too low for me. I suppose I'm happy with the UK age of 16, but that may just be because it's always seemed 'normal' to me. :thumbsup: However, to some people, 16 may seem low - I know it did to Fiona when we first got talking about this. :thumbsdown:

Sorry Andy fot not getting back to you on this sooner.

To answer your question how one can be registered as a sex offender is under state law. Almost all states I believe have this law. The state governments cite this law as a "procection of the minor child," to me sounds like anytime you meet a girl, ask for id to check her age. In Michigan, a sheriff by the name of Mike Brouchard (who just ran for the U.S. Senate under the Republican party back in Nov.) pushed for anyone who was arrested under the statory rape charge to be on the sex offenders list, citing that they are "dangerous," and that "they are likely to do it again." And the horrible thing is that he also got the state to pass a bill to keep guys who were arrested for this to be on the list for 20-25 years, whereas in other states, they're kept on for 10 years. In the case that I'm personally involved in, there was NO evidnce of any sexual conduct and a polygraph test came out postive to no sexual conduct and he's still on this list! It just sickens me to know that he had to sevre 3 months for something he did not do. But she was 15, just three weeks shy of 16, and it was all "she said, he said." Who were they going to believe, the "innocent" 15 year old or the "evil and rapist" 22 year old? That's just a little bit of American justice for you, roll Lady Justice in the mud, strap handcuffs on her, beat her up, rape her, and leave her for dead. Makes me sick.

End of my rant.

But how do I feel about the age, keep it at 16. Face it, you're a teenager, you're horomonal, are you really going to listen to some law that tells you when you can have sex? Nope.
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Thanks for the response & explanation, Bridget - it certainly doesn't sound like justice to me, that's for sure. :hmm:
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The age of consent i 16 where I live, I think that's right... but for my daughter it should be around 25... B)
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is this still goin on?? :o
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If a young girl, under the age of 16 here lies about her age and sleeps with a man, she deserves to be punished

That's an excellent point. A lot of girls you see on a night out could be anywhere between 15 and 30. How is anyone to know for sure? Ask for ID? The same ID she used to get into the club? What would that prove?

A guy I know once told me that his policy was, "If she's in the pub, she's over 18." His reasoning being that she shouldn't have been let in if she's underage so the onus is no longer on him to allow for the possibility that she might be. Perhaps not the most chivalrous stance but I couldn't really argue with it either.
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If a young girl, under the age of 16 here lies about her age and sleeps with a man, she deserves to be punished

That's an excellent point. A lot of girls you see on a night out could be anywhere between 15 and 30. How is anyone to know for sure? Ask for ID? The same ID she used to get into the club? What would that prove?

A guy I know once told me that his policy was, "If she's in the pub, she's over 18." His reasoning being that she shouldn't have been let in if she's underage so the onus is no longer on him to allow for the possibility that she might be. Perhaps not the most chivalrous stance but I couldn't really argue with it either.

And I share your guys' sentimets. I find the whole thing of punshing someone, be it man or woman, who supposedly "raped" a minor when the minor lied about their age. Sorry, but when most of the kids today are dressing and starting to look like 20 year olds when they're 12, it's hard to guess someone's real age or are you really going to start asking anyone for their ID when you start talking to them. No. So I feel punishing the person who lied would be a better factor, but sadly, many would probably not agree with this.
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The trouble is you just can't prove someone lied about their age beforehand and so the adult, as usual, is meant to take the responsibility. Adults are supposed to be the sensible ones, after all. I'm sure having proof would loosen the law a bit, but who tapes everyone's assurance that they're legal before sex? :P
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The trouble is you just can't prove someone lied about their age beforehand and so the adult, as usual, is meant to take the responsibility. Adults are supposed to be the sensible ones, after all. I'm sure having proof would loosen the law a bit, but who tapes everyone's assurance that they're legal before sex? :P

And people make mistakes. Hell, let's just have one big orgry and call it ok. :lol:

Only kidding, of course.

You are right Fi, adults should be the responsible ones, and I feel that should also inducle the parents who allow their underage teenagers run around in bars and make false accuasions at people. But of course, THAT's another matter.
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I'm embarresed to say this but im 20 and never lost it

not that i know of anyway

I'm 19 and not only a virgin, but also never even been kissed. It really doesn't bother me though, at least not anymore. I realize that it has no reflection on my looks or personality, I just haven't found someone I'm interested in enough to start a relationship with. As for age of consent, I think it should be 18. The legal age for everything should be 18, with the exception of driving at which I think 16 is perfectly acceptable. At least for girls, boys shouldn't be allowed behind the wheel until at least 21. :P At 18 I think most people are mature enough to fully understand sex and it's potential consequences.
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Jun 21 2007, 12:03 PM
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Jun 21 2007, 11:39 PM
If a young girl, under the age of 16 here lies about her age and sleeps with a man, she deserves to be punished

That's an excellent point. A lot of girls you see on a night out could be anywhere between 15 and 30. How is anyone to know for sure? Ask for ID? The same ID she used to get into the club? What would that prove?

A guy I know once told me that his policy was, "If she's in the pub, she's over 18." His reasoning being that she shouldn't have been let in if she's underage so the onus is no longer on him to allow for the possibility that she might be. Perhaps not the most chivalrous stance but I couldn't really argue with it either.

Maybe the best policy of all is just to not sleep with someone until you know them well enough to be sure of their age. :hmm:
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rita i am waiting till you are 21.
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Jun 21 2007, 08:07 PM
rita i am waiting till you are 21.

Sounds good :P
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Jun 21 2007, 05:03 PM
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Jun 21 2007, 12:03 PM
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Jun 21 2007, 11:39 PM
If a young girl, under the age of 16 here lies about her age and sleeps with a man, she deserves to be punished

That's an excellent point. A lot of girls you see on a night out could be anywhere between 15 and 30. How is anyone to know for sure? Ask for ID? The same ID she used to get into the club? What would that prove?

A guy I know once told me that his policy was, "If she's in the pub, she's over 18." His reasoning being that she shouldn't have been let in if she's underage so the onus is no longer on him to allow for the possibility that she might be. Perhaps not the most chivalrous stance but I couldn't really argue with it either.

Maybe the best policy of all is just to not sleep with someone until you know them well enough to be sure of their age. :hmm:

Nicely said, Grace. With AIDS and HIV on the rise, yet again, not only are you looking to the possiblity that the person you are about to have a one-night stand with not being an adult but potentially having a disease no one wants but most don't have the courage to make sure they don't get or pass it on.
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Jun 22 2007, 01:03 AM
Bill
Jun 21 2007, 12:03 PM
That's an excellent point. A lot of girls you see on a night out could be anywhere between 15 and 30. How is anyone to know for sure? Ask for ID? The same ID she used to get into the club? What would that prove?

A guy I know once told me that his policy was, "If she's in the pub, she's over 18." His reasoning being that she shouldn't have been let in if she's underage so the onus is no longer on him to allow for the possibility that she might be. Perhaps not the most chivalrous stance but I couldn't really argue with it either.

Maybe the best policy of all is just to not sleep with someone until you know them well enough to be sure of their age. :hmm:

I agree with you. I was trying to find a reasonable way of saying something to that effect but it just came out sounding judgemental. But, yes, that would be ideal.
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Jun 22 2007, 10:03 AM

Maybe the best policy of all is just to not sleep with someone until you know them well enough to be sure of their age. :hmm:

I have no argument with that but I also understand people who enjoy being casual. Indeed, I have envied them that they can have a meaningless shag and feel fulfilled from it. For better or worse, that's not the kind of thing that I find fulfilling but I have often thought that life would be simpler if I did.

So while it's not something I relate to, I'm not going to suggest that anyone be like me or to go against their basic urges. It is possible to be both casual and responsible.
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if i can bring a little bit of pleasure into a ladies life for only one minute then it is not a meaningless shag.
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