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Oops, too late.
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| modgirl1964 | May 15 2007, 10:47 PM Post #2 |
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HAHA!! That was great Tony!! :lol: |
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| beatlechick | May 16 2007, 12:59 AM Post #3 |
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| bluemeanie | May 16 2007, 01:01 AM Post #4 |
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is now a happily married woman x
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| Deleted User | May 16 2007, 01:12 AM Post #5 |
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I just noticed I spelt his name wrong, it's Fallwell. Here is more about the "great" Reverend: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Falwell |
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| bluemeanie | May 16 2007, 01:15 AM Post #6 |
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| beatlechick | May 16 2007, 01:16 AM Post #7 |
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Hi Jayne. Tony misspelled the last name but Rev Jerry Falwell died today. He was a very conservative minister who would say such wonderful things like AIDS was God's way of punishing gay people (totally overlooking the fact that most of the world that has it is heterosexual) and and according to him this wonderful pundit
He was very instrumental in bringing the conservative religious right into American politics. |
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| bluemeanie | May 16 2007, 01:17 AM Post #8 |
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but there again - you thought it was too late
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| bluemeanie | May 16 2007, 01:22 AM Post #9 |
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after what I have just read from you Cathy - oh ell
so he was a hextrovert and didnt believe in changing equality
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| beatlechick | May 16 2007, 01:26 AM Post #10 |
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That was definitely our Jerry Falwell. I know he believed he was serving Christ but it was without an open mind. What I find appalling with TV evangelists is that many of them have more money than many, if not all of us, do. They want us to give them our hardearned money but yet many of them are pretty damned rich. He had his own university I believe called Liberty University. He is not the only one who is of this ilk but he was probably the most vocal. |
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| maccascruff | May 16 2007, 01:47 AM Post #11 |
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His university is Liberty University and as far as I'm concerned he promoted hate and didn't try to stop it. And yes, every TV evangelist I have ever seen is rich and taking from the poor to get that way. I've never given any of them a dime and never would.
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| Deleted User | May 16 2007, 02:57 AM Post #12 |
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personally i find this thread offensive. |
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| BlueMolly2009 | May 16 2007, 03:19 AM Post #13 |
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Jerry Falwell also said that Rolling Stone magazine was a porno mag and should be banned for being too obscene. :lol: |
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| ogoble | May 16 2007, 03:32 AM Post #14 |
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RIP We all have our flaws...at least Falwell knew where to go for forgiveness.
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| Bill | May 16 2007, 05:18 AM Post #15 |
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It's not secret that I'ma regular visitor to Crooks and Liars, and I think what they had to say also applies here:
I agree that he did harm, but let's not all kick the sh*t out of him now that he's dead. We're all equal in the end. |
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| Dorfliedot | May 16 2007, 06:10 AM Post #16 |
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I never listen to him. but, I am sorry to hear he died. I am sure people who did listen to him are very Sadden. |
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| mozart8mytoe | May 16 2007, 08:49 AM Post #17 |
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Yet another voice of hate is silenced. Who will we turn to now? |
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| Dorfliedot | May 16 2007, 09:10 AM Post #18 |
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I never take death for granted. For I know one day it will be me in the same situation. for death you can not avoid. Death comes to use all. Like a thief in the night. and when comes we shall not know. but, one thing to be sure. are memories will always live in are love ones heart. |
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| FamousGroupie | May 16 2007, 09:25 AM Post #19 |
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I don't know about America, but Australia has its very own Christian Fascist in Rev. Fred Nile. Parliamentary Profile Wikipedia Profile |
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| Bag O' Nails | May 16 2007, 05:35 PM Post #20 |
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Love him or hate him, it's low to bash people after they've died. :hmm: |
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| Bag O' Nails | May 16 2007, 05:40 PM Post #21 |
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Yes, he is the founder of Liberty University and I know people who have graduated from there. They are admirable students with integrity and conservative values. I agree he was very vocal and highly involved in politics, which in this country is "taboo" to mix politics and religion. I can see how he rubbed people the wrong way with his boldness. I myself prefer a more humbler (is that a word?) stance; but I don't fault him for speaking his mind. |
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| BlueMolly2009 | May 16 2007, 07:09 PM Post #22 |
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If someone dislikes someone Heidi, why shouldn't we bash him? We can't go, "Oh he was a good man," when we don't mean it. He was so against equal rights for everyone, and anyone who says that gays, lesbians and other "sinners" were to blame for 9/11, no matter if they apologized isn't going to get my "lovey dovey" praise when they died. |
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| Dorfliedot | May 16 2007, 07:58 PM Post #23 |
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I think Heidi right. It is low bash someone when there died no matter how you hated them. That is how I feel. He paid for his sin by dying. we all will. |
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| ogoble | May 16 2007, 08:14 PM Post #24 |
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So true... "For the wages of sin is death: but the gift of God is eternal life, through Jesus Christ our Lord." (Romans 6:23) There was only one perfect person that ever walked the Earth and it wasn't Jerry Falwell. I don't agree with many of his beliefs or things he said, but I' will say he was no Hitler. |
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| Bag O' Nails | May 16 2007, 08:47 PM Post #25 |
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Molly, I like to think that there is some good in everyone. In death, unless you're an evil mass murderer, look to the good that someone has done and try to remember those things...and not use the death to bash someone. You don't have to like his stance on gays, etc. but overall he was a decent human being. At least that's how I feel. |
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| Bag O' Nails | May 16 2007, 08:48 PM Post #26 |
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Yes, and let's not forget that the ultimate goal of every Christian is to live eternally with Christ...so in that essence, Falwell is living his "real" life. |
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| Deleted User | May 16 2007, 09:24 PM Post #27 |
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you could show some decency and leave the bashing for at least 48 hours. you didnt see me having a go at the w*nker that was tony banks when he died. mind you i would of much prefer to punch the get when he was alive. |
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| beatlechick | May 17 2007, 01:08 AM Post #28 |
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I do fault him for speaking his mind. He is supposed to be a religious leader. Correct me if I am wrong but didn't Christ preach that we have to be tolerant of one another? That none of us are perfect and that we need to respect and love each other? Where did Rev Falwell respect and love my gay friends? Where was the respect and love for the people that don't believe in God but who led their lives as well or better than any Christian? Where is the love and respect for people like me who go more towards the side of a feminist in many ways? Where? His speaking out against these people only hurt more than you can think. I do know gay people who attempted suicide because their Churches could not and would not accept them. I'm sorry but I can't truly say that I am sorry that he is gone, and that my friends is sad! I am really trying to not bash him but those of you that know me, know that I am holding back. Those of you that know me also know that this is the way I have felt about him and the way many Conservative (not all, some do respect that other Christians and non-Christians don't feel the same) Christians feel that they have to shove their views down my throat. I, for one, am glad that politics and religion should not mix. Unfortunately that line is getting thinner and thinner every moment of every day. We do tend to forget that this Country is not made up entirely of Christians but of Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddhist, Hindus, Wiccans, Atheists, Agnostics, plus many more religions of this land. |
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| maccascruff | May 17 2007, 01:40 AM Post #29 |
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I was trying to think of something to say, but Cathy said what I think. |
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| Bag O' Nails | May 17 2007, 02:19 AM Post #30 |
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I just can't fault anyone for speaking their mind, whether or not I agree with them. |
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| Bill | May 17 2007, 02:40 AM Post #31 |
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I think we should acknowlegde the difference between recognising the right to speak one's opinion, and that value of that said opinion. I support Falwell speaking his mind, but I do no support the mind he spoke. I don't see anything wrong with assessing his life on his passing, so long as it's measured. I would also suggest that building a pulpit and sticking "Reverend" in from of his name does not give Jerry Falwell any greater respectability than it does Al Sharpton. I have no problem with the clergy getting involved in politics. In fact, there should be more of it - especially at a time when so-called Christian governments pursue such blatantly un-Christian policies. But as a Christian, I think Falwell was an embarrassment to mainstream moderate Christians who do not preach hate and war. I don't say that to judge him, that's just how I feel. |
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| beatlechick | May 17 2007, 04:41 AM Post #32 |
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Bill, for the most part I agree with you. I do think it okay to speak your mind, as long as it is your mind and no one else's, however when you represent something like religion you have to be careful with what you say. Heidi, it is okay for me to say what is on my mind but if I am speaking my mind while representing my Church it doesn't bode well for me or my Church. If it were Jerry Falwell, layperson speaking these things (as despicable as they are to me) it is one thing but put Rev. in front and it takes on a whole different atmosphere. |
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| Bill | May 17 2007, 05:37 AM Post #34 |
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Tempting though it is to apply some of Falwell's theories of Divine Retribution to his own departure, I think Clare's message says it all.
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| beatlechick | May 17 2007, 06:26 AM Post #35 |
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| mozart8mytoe | May 17 2007, 07:42 AM Post #37 |
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Jerry Falwell, at least he wasn't Hitler. High praise indeed. It is not bashing to say that "Dr" Falwell was a hateful person. His words and actions clearly shows that he was. What is bashing is blaming the September 11 attacks on everyone he did not like, saying that gay people deserve to get AIDS, calling Desmond Tutu a "phony", calling Dr King a "commie", calling a gay-friendly church "vile and Satanic". Bashing people was this man's bread and butter.
He preached hatred against homosexuals, women, black people, Jews, Muslims, non-Baptist Christians, foreigners (including non-white Americans), people who actually work for a living, teachers, actors, "Hollywood", people who have sex, Democrats, television (ironically), the Supreme Court (when they did not vote his way), Congress (when they did not vote his way), the President (when it was a Democrat), cartoons, people who never sent him any money. He preached hatred against anyone who was not like himself. Is that really what an overall decent human being does? |
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| maccascruff | May 17 2007, 01:25 PM Post #38 |
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I seriously doubt that a man who preached all this hate was a nice person. |
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| Bag O' Nails | May 18 2007, 12:36 AM Post #39 |
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Love him or hate him (like many of you here that have posted), here is an interesting article from CNN that discusses this controversial man: http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/05/15/falwell.legacy Falwell's legacy: faith, hate or Teletubbies? By Jonathan Mandell CNN (CNN) -- "When I have children one day," Samantha Krieger of Dallas, Texas, wrote to CNN.com, "they will know of the legacy that Dr. Jerry Falwell left." But what will that legacy be? To Krieger, who had personal connections to Falwell -- she attended the college he founded; he officiated at her wedding; her husband was his nurse -- the evangelist "was a great leader and hero." Victoria Kidd of Winchester, Virginia, believes the exact opposite: "The damage he has done to the Christian faith is immeasurable," she wrote to CNN.com Others would prefer to think that he has no legacy at all. "He should be erased from every history book and media story," wrote Brian Pippinger of St. Petersburg, Florida. Jerry Falwell was the evangelical minister who founded the Moral Majority, the Christian right political movement, in 1980. He died Tuesday at age 73, and it's clear from the differing assessments of his legacy that he was a controversial figure. Matt Foreman, head of the National Lesbian and Gay Task Force, calls Falwell "a founder and leader of America's anti-gay industry. His lasting legacy will be the polarization of the American electorate and the rise of Christian evangelicals as a political force in American politics." Gene Mims, a trustee of Liberty University, which Falwell founded as Lynchburg Baptist College in 1971, says he "pulled us all towards faith." More narrowly, Mims says that Falwell's founding of the university will be his specific, lasting legacy. "For the past 10 years, that was his focus." That seems to be what the Rev. Billy Graham believes, as well. "His accomplishments went beyond most clergy of his generation," Graham said in a statement. "Some of my grandchildren have attended, and are attending, Liberty University. " Susan Friend Harding, a professor of anthropology at the University of California Santa Cruz, studied Falwell and his movement beginning in the 1980s, culminating in a book published in 2000, "The Book of Jerry Falwell: Fundamentalist Language and Politics." "I see him as a major figure in American political and religious history," says Harding, who considers him the principal leader who brought fundamentalists back into the mainstream of society. "Jerry Falwell led fundamentalism out of political and cultural exile in the 1980s. He did so most famously as the leader of the Moral Majority in 1980s, but also through his national radio and TV ministry, Liberty University and countless sermons, campaigns, rallies, speeches, publications, broadcasts and debates over his 50-year career as a preacher. Under his leadership, fundamentalists transformed themselves from a marginal, anti-worldly separatist people into a visible and vocal force and reintroduced vigorous religious speech into American public life. "Fundamentalists had been a separatist movement," Harding says, "which was stigmatized even by other Protestants" for three-quarters of a century, ever since their "self-imposed exile" after the Scopes Monkey Trial of 1925, which was ostensibly about the teaching of evolution in the schools, but in effect put fundamentalist intolerance on trial. "Falwell openly and actively disavowed the separatism." Before Falwell, in the world of fundamentalist evangelicals, Harding says, "being a minister or a missionary was the highest calling. Now it's to be a Supreme Court justice, or the president of the United States. Or a lawyer, doctor, corporate executive, journalist, filmmaker, you name it. It even means being a teacher -- including of biology -- in all the school systems." Falwell helped break down the walls of the separatism in many ways. "True fundamentalists didn't have friendships, even with other fundamentalists who associated with non-fundamentalists," Harding says. "Falwell said this was wrong; we're going to stop having religious tests. He included you if you supported his agenda -- an agenda that involved attacking other groups." To many critics, this paradox is what makes his legacy so lamentable. "He made it comfortable for churches to get actively involved in politics," says the Rev. Barry W. Lynn, executive director of Americans United for the Separation of Church and State. "His strategy will be continued by his would-be successors -- a focus on hot-button issues like gay marriage (rather than significant moral issues like child poverty and health care), and an eagerness to make outrageous statements to the media, in order to build a religious-political empire." Many now remember him most for outrageous statements he made after leaving the Moral Majority -- in 1999, his house organ the National Liberty Journal warned parents that the Tinky Winky TV character was secretly gay and morally dangerous; in 2001, he blamed the September 11 terrorist attack on "pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way, all of them who have tried to secularize America." Susan Friend Harding sees these as his King Lear moments. "He had already lost power by then. It's sad to think he'll be remembered for his remark about Teletubbies." |
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Gah. It's one of those hideous Teletubbies.
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| JeffLynnesBeard | May 18 2007, 02:31 AM Post #41 |
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I think Cathy, Lissa & Bill have said most of what I'd have to add on Mr. Fartwell's passing (there is a reference, I'm not just being childish). I also enjoyed Clare's more humourous addition as well.
He was not a 'decent human being'. No 'decent human being' would have preached the amount of hate that Falwell did throughout his life. He has spread too much hatred and intolerance for me to begin to acknowledge any possible good he may have done through his work. I'm indifferent to his passing, in the full knowledge that there will probably be some other crackpot evangelical 'preacher' to come along and take his place on the pulpit. |
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| beatlechick | May 18 2007, 02:39 AM Post #42 |
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That is why I said that I am not sad on his passing which is a sad thing to say. I can't even say I feel bad, except for his family. I thing I think I have to be grateful for is that he, and those of his ilk, helped to make me even stronger in my feelings towards the very people that he preached against. He made me get to know them even better and understand who they are. Unfortunately it doesn't appear that he even tried. So many people that need help in one form or another and the door was slammed on them for being who they are and not what they feel, think, and can do for all of us. |
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| mozart8mytoe | May 18 2007, 09:04 AM Post #43 |
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As for Falwell's legacy, I can think of a minister or two who mixed religion and politics long before "Dr" Falwell. One of whom was arguably the most important figure in the American civil rights movement (which Falwell cleverly called the "civil wrongs movement") and was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize, Presidential Medal of Freedom, American Liberties Medallion, Pacem in Terris Award, Congressional Gold Medal, has a national holiday and was assassinated for his efforts. Incidentally, Dr King earned a PhD from Boston University. "Dr" Falwell was given honorary degrees from fake colleges. |
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| maccascruff | May 18 2007, 12:48 PM Post #44 |
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And "Dr" Fartwell started a university with those honorary credentials. |
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Celebrating his death would make one not much better than the angry man himself but that doesn't mean letting him off the hook. While we should all be able to speak our minds you've got to draw the line of acceptability somewhere. It might be denied but I think I can tell who finds a great deal of his words understandable and that's a little depressing. |
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| Bag O' Nails | May 18 2007, 05:26 PM Post #46 |
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Please expound. |
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| beatlechick | May 19 2007, 12:28 AM Post #47 |
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Absolutely and he is one of my biggest heroes. We need this man today almost as much as we needed him then. |
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| maccascruff | May 19 2007, 01:36 AM Post #48 |
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I have not celebrated the death of Falwell, but I can't say that I feel anything about it. I simply don't care. I do feel for his family in dealing with the death. |
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There's not a lot I can add. It was my prediction that if I were to say some of you were almost sympathetic to his words and actions (what I find depressing), the response might be that the courtesy would be granted to anyone who had just passed away. But methinks that the same people would not be so accepting had it been a radical liberal. |
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| Bill | May 19 2007, 06:43 AM Post #50 |
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So you're suggesting that if Michael Moore's lifeless body was found on his office floor after an overdose of cheeseburgers, there might be some grave-dancing going on? |
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Sorry but Falwell was a man of hate who used god to deliver millions of dollars to himself. David Dukes he may not have been but he came close. |
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Larry Flynts classic Hustler parody.
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| Bag O' Nails | May 19 2007, 09:41 PM Post #54 |
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I don't think you'd find me starting a thread "celebrating" the death of anyone, even a "radical liberal." FYI. |
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| ogoble | May 19 2007, 11:10 PM Post #56 |
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I wonder what all you people are going to say about me when I die.
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| Bill | May 20 2007, 01:32 AM Post #57 |
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If there's one think you won't be remembered for Olen, it's hate-speak.
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| maccascruff | May 20 2007, 01:35 AM Post #58 |
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Olen, you will not be remembered by me for hate speak. That is what I remember Jerry Falwell for. |
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| Bill | May 21 2007, 04:37 AM Post #59 |
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"I know you're not supposed to speak ill of the dead, but I think we can make an exception because speaking ill of the dead was kind of Jerry Falwell's hobby." - Bill Maher. |
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| beatlechick | May 21 2007, 06:24 AM Post #60 |
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Leave it up to Bill Maher to succinctly summarize my feelings on the man. |
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