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The Canadian Seal Hunt; About to start again...
Topic Started: Mar 28 2007, 03:13 PM (1,030 Views)
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There is just over three days to go before the annual Canadian Seal Hunt Slaughter begins and hundreds of thousands of baby seals are clubbed and skinned, often while they are still alive.

Paul & Heather famously campaigned against this last year, but the killing still goes on and it will continue until enough people make their feelings known on this subject to the Canadian Government, boycott all of the retaillers and restaurants who support it and purchase associated products and meat from the hunt slaughter.

People often use the economic argument to defend the actions of the 'hunters', but I will always reject the continuation of evil practises purely because cessation will cause financial hardship of those who are involved those inhumane trades. We all have to make a living, but not out of the exploitation or spilling of blood from either defenseless people or animals.

There are ways to register your protest online and also by post... please visit the following links and there are instructions on what you can do to make a difference;

http://www.canadiansealhunt.com/

http://www.hsus.org/protect_seals.html

Warning: There are some upsetting images on these sites, but they just depict the reality of the slaughter. If they upset you, then please use your outrage to do something positive to help stop this barbarism.

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Thank you, Andy. Yes the fight is back on. Here is another good source, and one I used regularly last year while fighting the Newfoundlanders who are for the hunt harpseals.org This site has a lot of information and also some very wrenching, emotional pictures and videos. They also have a lot of information on what YOU CAN DO!!
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Mar 28 2007, 10:13 AM
Paul & Heather famously campaigned against this last year [blah, blah, blah].

Yes, but since Heather is obviously the spawn of Satan, we should do the opposite of everything she ever said. Someone should start a poll: Which is more hated, Heather McCartney or seal hunters.
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Without trying to make this into another thread about heather has she whilst shes not a publicity seeker (or even Paul) said anything about it this year

I hate the economic element.You could probably use that as an excuse to everything.Murdering people,People dying from starvation that would solve population issues but the majority to stand for it so why should we stand for brutally killing seals for nothing
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Everytime I hear about this, it brings me to tears. It's so sad and unnecessary to kill those beautiful little creatures. They don't even get a chance to live. :cry:

The people that hunt the seals are cowards themselves; they like to feel superior by going out and killing helpless animals that can't defend themselves. It's an absolute disgrace what human beings have come to. :angry:
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Jillian, I wouldn't necessarily call the hunters cowards. For most of the Newfoundlanders this is their only job. That land may be beautiful but the weather is very very harsh. For that reason, they claim they can not get better employment. No companies want to move there. To cold and frigid most days.
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I wonder how they end up in that sort of job anyway. Do they seek it out or just go around inquiring. 'Kill seals? Sure, I can do that!'
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Fiona, this has been going down for generations. Sort of a hand me down if you will. Why they don't want to do away with this and find other things they can do to make money, i.e. Fair World Trade, is beyond me. If you read several of the backpages on pm.com on the seal hunt trade you will see some of the points made on both sides. Unfortunately you will also see some of the blind hatred on both sides, too.
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You're being very fair and balanced, Cathy, but while I know that it is important to be understanding of motives and circumstances for any action, I still believe it to be a throughly wrong practice and that there can be no justification for the slaughter, especially not on economic grounds. There have been - and are - economic cases for all abuses of animals - big game hunting, whaling, the fur trade, just as there was an economic case for slavery.
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I've signed all the petitions I can, just like last year and lent the support that I can. Boycotts and petitions - it's so discouraging that that is all we can do.
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Mar 31 2007, 09:34 PM
I've signed all the petitions I can, just like last year and lent the support that I can. Boycotts and petitions - it's so discouraging that that is all we can do.

I suppose everything helps... but you're right, the feeling of helplessness isn't nice to live with at all. Perhaps that's why Fiona and I talk about these things to other people so much and try to spread the word - that in itself is doing something... maybe... :hmm:
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Mar 30 2007, 03:22 AM
The people that hunt the seals are cowards themselves; they like to feel superior by going out and killing helpless animals that can't defend themselves.

I don`t think so; I don`t think they kill them cos it`s a fun thing to do... they are not evil; they do it for a living. You also have to try to understand the other side. Otherwise you won`t change a thing...
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The people that hunt the seals are cowards themselves; they like to feel superior by going out and killing helpless animals that can't defend themselves.

I don`t think so; I don`t think they kill them cos it`s a fun thing to do... they are not evil; they do it for a living. You also have to try to understand the other side. Otherwise you won`t change a thing...

Many of us do know that it is done for a living but the people I have talked to that live there are deadset against finding other means of employment. They don't know how to do other things, aren't willing to learn other trades, and don't want to give up the money that comes from the cull. It has been pointed out to them time and again that they can try other avenues but they come back and say "oh it's been done" or "they don't have the right materials to be on the fair trade market" or "they are used to this and this is their living." Trying to understand their point but they have to try to understand ours to and not shut out suggestions that are being made to better themselves without killing something else.
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I first heard of this last year so I don't know much about it. I still don't know what the point of this is. Why is this done? I've asked a few people & no-one could tell me, other than money. Is money really the only reason to kill thousands of animals like this?
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I first heard of this last year so I don't know much about it.  I still don't know what the point of this is.  Why is this done?  I've asked a few people & no-one could tell me, other than money.  Is money really the only reason to kill thousands of animals like this?


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I can understand the rationalizations in all of this, but I've never understood why people are all too willing to brutalize God's creatures this way.
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Well, it's started. :cry:

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Canada seal hunt opens with 2 boats
By Rob Gillies

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TORONTO — Canada's controversial annual seal hunt opened Monday in the southern Gulf of St. Lawrence, where the worst ice conditions in more than two decades have nearly wiped out the herd there.

Fisheries officials said the scarcity of seals in the area led to only two of 40 eligible boats participating in the start of the traditional spring hunt that is important to the livelihood of Canadian seal hunters and aboriginal peoples.

"The bad ice contributed to a high rate of drowning," Fisheries Department spokesman Phil Jenkins said.

The total quota for this year's hunt is 270,000 animals, 65,000 fewer than last year. There are about 5.5 million seals in Canada.

Simon said the largest concentration of seals was in the more northerly Strait of Belle Isle, between Quebec and Newfoundland and Labrador. The area will be open to hunters starting Wednesday.

About 70 percent of the seals sought in Canadian waters will be taken in the third stage of the hunt — off northern Newfoundland. No opening date has been announced.

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This is barbaric and totally unnecessary. :angry: And I can't sign one of the petitions because I'm not from either America or Canada. What crap.
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From last year...

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Look at the face on that little baby! :cry:

How could anyone harm those poor defenseless creatures?

It just breaks my heart that they can't find alternate methods to make a living in Newfoundland!


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They'd have you believe that they can't, but the fishing industry itself only makes up a relatively small percentage of the people employed in Newfoundland and Labrador.

The official employment statistics in Newfoundland and Labrador suggest that 23,200 people are currently employed in the fishing industry (all aspects of it) in total, of which the seal hunt & processing of the hunt would be a small percentage. Indeed, those 23,200 people also include those who work in the mining, oil & gas sectors as well. Compare this with the 30,600 people who work in 'Health Care & Social Assistance' sector alone and the 166,300 people who work in the 'Services' sector, it means that the fishing industry, whilst not insignificant (11.4% of all employment), isn't quite the lifeblood of Newfoundland it is made out to be by those supporting this hunt. (Stats correct Feb 2007, source: http://www.stats.gov.nl.ca/Statistics/Labo...nt_Industry.asp)
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Andy, thank you for the stats. Yes this is what was brought up a few times last year on pm.com. They're excuse back to us was that the seal hunt brings in more money for the sealers than anything else does. For the most part, they are not willing to listen which is why this fight will, unfortunately, continue on for years to come. Their minds are deadset against changing something that has been going down for generations. :devil:
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Yes, the 'big issues' get me going back to pm.com, so I can discuss these things with a wider audience. I don't think we will ever reach these people but if you don't try then you definitely won't! ^_^
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Yes, the 'big issues' get me going back to pm.com, so I can discuss these things with a wider audience. I don't think we will ever reach these people but if you don't try then you definitely won't! ^_^

Very true. I know some of us that were trying to be respectful did make some headway with the other side. Not much but at least they pretended to listen when they weren't being shouted down and kicked.
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I've no idea what those blue slippers are.

The fur lining in those blue slippers used to be a baby seal!
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OMG...I cannot believe the hate I have seen here...do you really think that calling a whole population murdering b*stards and saying that we should be shot is going to make the world a better place... don't you realize that if the seal population continues to grow exponentially that they will run out of food and become extinct... don't you realize that seals are going further inland all the time in search of food, this is getting to a point where it puts other animals and children in danger... despite popular belief, seals can move quite fast and would be able to kill a child within a minute or so... FYI... 'baby' seals are NOT killied; seals are not skinned alive; they are used for food as well as their fur; and those statistics that were posted are not really giving an acurate picture... the fact is that most manufacturing, gas & oil, and public sector jobs are located in major centers; the people who participate in the seal hunt do not live there, they live in small outport communities where the population is very low (less than 1000) sometimes only a few families... in thses small communities all jobs are interdependant and all sources of income no matter how small are vital... I'll end my post with this quote from the bible..."judge not lest ye be judged"
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I was wondering when you would start showing up here. If you really read everything you will see that those that made those 'hateful' posts were shouted down. How many times was I and others told that we were idiots and could only think the way the HSUS and PeTA wanted us to think? How many times did you and a few others tell us that you did this mainly for employment but shoot down any suggestions that we gave to you for any alternative means for employment? How many times we were told by your fellow countrymen that we hated Canadians for the killing of the seals even after we said it wasn't Canadians that we hated just the barbarous act of the sealhunter? How many times were we called nutcases for wanting to protect a fellow species? Well this nutcase is tired of seeing the bloodshed and the cost of a life.

I have stated that there are other means of employment and others have given their suggestions as well but it sealing is so ingrained in your psyche that you (meaning the collective you) will not see sealing as anything else but humane. You say that there are areas with only a few families or a population of less than 1000. I have news for you. There are some towns in the US where the population is reduced to one city block and a post office. Towns where the population is less than 1000 yet they are able to find work whilst being miles away from the next urban center.
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I hope you have read up a little bit on your history Shannon. The economic argument falls flat and you really should stop using it. Newfoundland is not (starts shouting) IS NOT a third world country. Indeed it is part of a properous and civilised country, you are Canadian not american you have a welfare system in place. Jobs well get on to your bike, some of us have done it three times in our lives. Personally i know three canucks in the Tornatio area who hate you far more than i could ever do. They are not Beatles fans, their political affliations are different, they are related to each other nor myself, and two of them have had trouble in the past securing long term work but they did what was necessary and move. This point is to show there is not an international conspiracy against Newfoundland.

In the world of nature any overpopulation by a species is rectified by nature. When man comes into the equation their is a problem. Remove mankind then no problem.
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I just want to make clear that NewfieMaiden has not been banned for her views, but merely because she is not a Beatles fan and has no interest in discussing anything but the seal hunt. Had she have been a Beatles fan with her views on the seal hunt - and wanted to participate in the board as a whole - then she would have been welcome here. Alas, that was not the case.
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Apr 13 2007, 06:35 AM
I just want to make clear that NewfieMaiden has not been banned for her views, but merely because she is not a Beatles fan and has no interest in discussing anything but the seal hunt. Had she have been a Beatles fan with her views on the seal hunt - and wanted to participate in the board as a whole - then she would have been welcome here. Alas, that was not the case.

Andy, I was thinking about that this morning whilst preparing to go to work. She did claim, last year to be a Beatles/Macca fan but really showed her true stripes many ways last year by a) only coming on during the hunting season, B) lambasting Paul and Heather for doing the Larry King show and stating that they didn't even know where they were doing the show from, c) lambasting Paul and Heather because they have money and the citizens of Labrador and Newfoundland don't, etc etc etc.

I welcome the debates with her, she was one of the respectful ones, but her less than openmind said a lot. I have yet to join the debate at pm.com but may do so soon for, unfortunately on a site dedicated to a man who loves and wants to protect all animals, the people there can be quite close minded on this issue. An issue where we were told that, because of us wanting to boycott seafoods and other sea-related stuff from Canada and wanting to end the hunt, we hated Canadiens. We do allow Little Laura here, don't we? All kidding aside, this is a fight that needs to continue on until the sealhunt is gone and not just from Canada but from Norway, Japan, Russia, and wherever these sea creatures are killed for their food, their coat, their oil, and whatever other reasons there are.

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I thought that was another joke post where Andy pretends to be someone from his favorite other board.
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I can see the fight is in full swing at pm.com. Not easy keeping your temper over there!
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I hope you have read up a little bit on your history Shannon. The economic argument falls flat and you really should stop using it. Newfoundland is not (starts shouting) IS NOT a third world country. Indeed it is part of a properous and civilised country, you are Canadian not american you have a welfare system in place. Jobs well get on to your bike, some of us have done it three times in our lives. Personally i know three canucks in the Tornatio area who hate you far more than i could ever do. They are not Beatles fans, their political affliations are different, they are related to each other nor myself, and two of them have had trouble in the past securing long term work but they did what was necessary and move. This point is to show there is not an international conspiracy against Newfoundland.

In the world of nature any overpopulation by a species is rectified by nature. When man comes into the equation their is a problem. Remove mankind then no problem.

Peter, she is not looking at anything else but the post where you said they all should be shot. If you go over to the pm.com board, you will that is all she has hooked on to. Unfortunately anything any of us is saying to them now is falling on deaf, one-sided ears. They do not want to change and, unlike last year, are totally closed off to listening. It is sadly becoming a shouting match and no one is listening. :hmm:
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And why should they? Will you change your views because of anything they say?
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Apr 15 2007, 10:01 PM
And why should they? Will you change your views because of anything they say?

We could only hope, Moz. *sarcastic*

I got into it about the seal hunt with a real life of mine who was basically saying what some of the people at PM.com were saying. She has relatives who live in Newfoundland and she claims that they don't have anything else to do besides the seal hunts. I told her there are other things to do like tourism by taking peole to the seals to take pictures and show them how much they care about the seals. She said that it's so cold up there, noone would want to come.
Honestly, there's nothing we can do to change their minds and there's nothing they can do to change our minds. It just stars sounding like a broken record, IMHO.
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I agree with you in a way, Molly - it's stalemate as far as 'us' and 'them' go - but it's not as pointless as it may seem. Getting more people involved worldwide who disagree with what is happening will increase pressure on the Canadian Government to ensure that the hunt is ended for good.

Every year this is allowed to happen, it's a victory for the hunters and bitter defeat for the seals - not us. This isn't about arguing, debating nor proving any kind of point, this is about speaking for and attempting to save the lives of beautiful creatures who are slaughtered year after year.
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http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americ...icle2465942.ece

I'm not going to make any other comment other than saying that if they weren't out there in the first place...
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Saturday, April 21, 2007

Canadian Sealer Admits Killing Seals for Fun

Desmond Adams was quoted today in the Newfoundland media as saying, "we all go out for the love of it rather than the money, which isn't there anymore,"

Which means of course that the Canadian taxpayer is now currently paying the bill in millions of dollars to provide four full time ice-breakers to assist a bunch of thugs who sadistically bash in the heads of seal pups for pleasure.

Some 400 sealers on about 100 small boats remain trapped in heavy ice off the Eastern coast of Newfoundland in one of the heaviest ice jams in memory.

Unable to break the boats free, the Canadian Coast Guard has turned errand boys for the sealers flying in groceries to the stranded boats.

The sealers are complaining of boredom according to the Newfoundland newspaper the Western Star.

"The poor men," said Sea Shepherd ship's cook Laura Dakin, "having to sit out there without being able to kill any baby seals. Their boredom makes me very happy knowing that seal pups are not being slaughtered.

Over 60,000 seal pups are available under the quota of 275,000. Over 200,000 have already been clubbed or slaughtered. This does not take into account the estimated 250,000 pups killed by diminished ice conditions in the Gulf of St. Lawrence last month.
Adams who kills seals for funs was also sharply critical of his fellow sealers who have been laughing off the danger they are in. "Very few will admit it, but what's happening is extremely dangerous," he said. "They act like clowns about it; they just shrug it off. And I think they'll get away with it this time. But if there were sustained very strong winds, which can happen with very little warning here, then you'd have a major catastrophe. They'd all go down, including the icebreakers, with all hands lost."

"None of these boats, big or small, is registered for ice and some insurance companies won't cover you for the seal hunt." Continued Adams. "Others, the ice-damage deductible is so high, no one ever reports damage. We just fix it ourselves. But these little boats are eggshells; they're that fragile. You could crush them like that."
The Canadian government has acted very irresponsibly in allowing vessels that are not ice-strengthened to venture into these conditions.

"There is a double standard," said Captain Paul Watson. "My ship the Farley Mowat is an ice-class ship and I have more experience in navigating in ice conditions than most of these sealers but the Coast Guard did everything they could to prevent us from going into the ice to save seals citing their concerns for our "safety".

Adams also said that the hunt continues not for the money but because the government wants it to continue.

"No one's going to stop hunting if they don't have to. We need someone to tell us, `No, this is too dangerous. You can't do it.' Newfoundlanders are good at following orders. They've told us we can't fish and we can't do this or that. And we don't."

No one's getting rich from the seal hunt, he said, "at least not among the hunters. The price of pelts is down to about $55, about half what it used to be."

Not only that, the ice crisis means the sealers will be delayed in getting back to their main livelihood – crab fishing and shrimping. "The later you take a crab, the worse the quality. We're getting hurt."

These comments from a veteran sealer certainly contradict the position of the Canadian Department of Fisheries and Oceans that the seal hunt is an economic necessity.
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