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| bec_walker | Mar 7 2007, 03:21 AM Post #1 |
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A lot of British people say that Americans don't have a very good sense of humour, that they don't understand sarcasm, that they can't take a joke etc. So all you Americans on here, what's your response to that? Are Americans sarcastic, or is it less common over there? I thought about asking this after I was on this other board I sometimes go on. A few of us were laying into this one guy in a jokey way but he completely took it the wrong way and totally blew up. In Britain it's quite common to insult your friends as a joke but now we're all having to explain to him that we were only having a laugh and not to take it too seriously. So I was just wondering what Americans had to say on this issue. By the way, I'm not trying to say that Americans do or don't have a sense of humour cause obviously it's different for every person, so please dont get offended, lol, I'm just interested to know your thoughts! Thanks
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| Dorfliedot | Mar 7 2007, 03:29 AM Post #2 |
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It depends if I had enough sleep or not. iF I am tried like now! yeah, I can take people wrong. but, if I am not tried. I am joking along with you. When I am tried I miss read what people say. and I will often miss spell or write something. I am american all the way. But, I can sometimes joke more then all of you.
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| BeatleBarb | Mar 7 2007, 03:43 AM Post #3 |
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Not to change the subject here, but hasn't anyone pushed the fart button that appears at the bottom of the thread? I can take a joke, love to hand 'em out and am the butt of most jokes at work and at home. They love giving me a bad time and I wouldn't have it any other way. A sense of humor, next to intellect and clean underwear is essential. |
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| Jeep Girl | Mar 7 2007, 03:47 AM Post #4 |
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Yes, I did... I guess I'm not one to be asking about the lack of a sense of humor, eh? :lol: |
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| ~LovelyRita~ | Mar 7 2007, 03:48 AM Post #5 |
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My friends and I make fun of each other all the time. If I actually took some of the things they said seriously I'd probably not have any friends. We are very jokey and sarcastic with each other. I don't think it matters what country you come from, it just depends what kind of person you are. Some people can take a joke, others can't. |
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| Deleted User | Mar 7 2007, 03:50 AM Post #6 |
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I haven't a clue, really. My dad was British and I don't really know if my perspective is inevidably different than other Americans' but I have a feeling I would have noticed if everyone I met didn't get my sarcasm - of which I'm a big user. I have seen that some sarcastic remarks Andy makes go right over some people's heads here, though.
I guess if you take it too far it can be hard to interpret on the internet.
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| Dorfliedot | Mar 7 2007, 03:51 AM Post #7 |
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Barb, you most be smelling me. I toot it.
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| bec_walker | Mar 7 2007, 03:54 AM Post #8 |
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D'you think Beatle fans have a better sense of humour than non Beatle fans? :lol: |
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| Dorfliedot | Mar 7 2007, 03:55 AM Post #9 |
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It in the gene's . By the way, I love the new smiles.. Thanks Andy..
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| Deleted User | Mar 7 2007, 04:11 AM Post #10 |
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That's an interesting question Bec ... I mean I was singled out on the Macca board by one of the moderators that evidently didn't quite "get" me, or perhaps felt that others on the board might not appreciate my American sensibilities when it came to humor. I told him that if he couldn't "get" me ... then the likelihood of him getting J. Lennon was slim to none (IMO). The conversation pretty much ended at that point (LOL). Yeah on some level I suppose it might come down to familiarity as well as context, I mean one is more likely to handle something that's somewhat familiar in style (or coming from someone that they're more familiar with) than they might be if it was completely out of left field. Of course there is a difference between self-effacing humor and bitting sarcasm ... and then of course there's such things as dry humor. Now that one can be difficult if you're unfamiliar with that sort of thing ... because there can be a good deal of facial expressions that might assist a dry delivery as well as vocal tone and so forth. Although in my opinion 'mozart8mytoe' excels at dry humor ... totally amuses me to no end (that one does) at times ... and she utilizes a deadpan delivery more often than not. I also think that personal confidence is a factor. If someone is inherently a little insecure or uncertain of their surroundings, or whether or not their best interests are being observed ... well it might be difficult to convey that you're joking with 'em. Seems rather obvious that in order to "get there" (i.e. strike their funny bone) some ground rules might need to be established. Probably much more than I should have offered up on the topic, but that's just some of the stuff that came to me over the past few minutes. |
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| Dorfliedot | Mar 7 2007, 04:14 AM Post #11 |
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No, ever get me.. But, nor do I.
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| Deleted User | Mar 7 2007, 04:18 AM Post #12 |
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Well sometimes I'm resigned to think that the only one that truly "get's me" is me ... but c'est la vie (and it rhymes too). |
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| Bill | Mar 7 2007, 04:34 AM Post #13 |
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There seems to be a general view that Americans just don't get irony, but then how do you explain Stephen Colbert? He could eat Alan Partridge for breakfast. I don't think you can really make any kind of generalisation about 300 million people.
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| theonlyfab4fan | Mar 7 2007, 04:36 AM Post #14 |
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I feel I have a deep an abiding appreciation for the absurd and the sarcastic as long as iit is not done in a mean spitited way with an underlying passive aggressive agenda. I also think that humor in this country as well as anywhere in the world can be very regional. You most certainly have to keep an open mind and a willingness to understand diversity and try to find the subtle things that make something witty and clever. Sometimes it all boils down to what are the socially acceptable customs of the group you are dealing with. To be quite honest I happen to feel that for the most part much of american humor is quite similar to British humor. We are after all to a large degree kin folk and derive much of our past history and irreverance from the same culture. Some people just happen to have a thin skin and can`t take a joke regardless of which side of the pond they come from. |
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| Deleted User | Mar 7 2007, 04:37 AM Post #15 |
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Well we might be able to blame Alanis Morrisette for that ... but then again she's Canadian. |
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| theonlyfab4fan | Mar 7 2007, 04:38 AM Post #16 |
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If I remember correctly in her song about that very subject she got it wrong. But then again maybe it is because she is Canadian. |
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You say you want to save humanity but it`s people that you just can`t stand John came to me in a dream and this is what he said. "I had a vision of a man on a flaming pie, and he told me that Betsy with a B not Lisa with a L is the biggest fan of mine". John trumps 'the boss' ! I WAS ROBBED BY THAT DEVIL WOMAN | |
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| Deleted User | Mar 7 2007, 04:39 AM Post #17 |
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Maybe I should have mentioned her 'Ironic' song ... for the irony challenged to follow that.
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| Bill | Mar 7 2007, 04:52 AM Post #18 |
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I guess "Isn't it a bummer?" didn't sound quite so highbrow. |
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| Deleted User | Mar 7 2007, 05:03 AM Post #19 |
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Well you know the thing is ... here in America the radio DJ's were having a field day with that song and whether or not the lyrics really framed irony properly (or at all for that matter). Don't know if that discussion was had worldwide or if it was merely something that was taken one way or the other here, so ... well, whatever. I probably explained it too much as it is. :hmm: |
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| Dorfliedot | Mar 7 2007, 05:25 AM Post #20 |
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Well, we could blame the blooming Australian. :lol:
just trying get your attention. :lol:
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| beatlechick | Mar 7 2007, 07:17 AM Post #21 |
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I have to agree with what Betsy said here. Yes we can take a joke, see our Presidential election, we can take sarcasm, too, see the 2000 Presidential selection, it is just the way it is said. I can take a joke but if it starts hitting me where it hurts (looks, height, personality, family, etc) than it is over the line if I ask you to stop and you don't. Sometimes what they jokester says is a joke, can be totally mean to the person on the receiving end. BTW I have a sarcastic smart mouth, I just try to be respectful of my targets feelings. |
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| Jacaranda | Mar 7 2007, 02:12 PM Post #22 |
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Betsy's statement is very much the point. Sarcasm and irony are very dear to me, however, there are people who habitually use "humor" as a disguise for interpersonal hostility and bitterness. That is never fair or right -- passive-aggressive actions are the easiest to blame and turn around on others, i.e., "What is wrong with you misreading what I said?" or "Why can't you take a joke? You must not have a sense of humor." This can happen whether people are American or British. However that being said, I love friends fondly joking around with each other in a not overly pointed way. And political and societal targets as a whole are fair and lovely game -- that is why one of my favorite web sites is "The Onion" and I love "The Daily Show." |
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| BlueMolly2009 | Mar 7 2007, 03:12 PM Post #23 |
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I prefer British sense of humor over American sense of humor. A lot of the American sense of humor uses potty humor which is not to my liking. While the British humor is more subtle and witty. They don't have to go to the level of potty humor. |
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Given the subject matter of this thread and the recent deal with Anne Coulter ... perhaps there should be a thread dedicated to "What do American's think of Anne Coulter's Sense of Humor" ... I for one think that she embodies the less than austere elements that Jacaranda, Betsy and 'beatlechick' mentioned (i.e. passive aggressive hostility in the guise of sarcasm). |
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| Dorfliedot | Mar 7 2007, 05:19 PM Post #25 |
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Well, sh*t my britches.. :lol:
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| BlueMolly2009 | Mar 7 2007, 05:24 PM Post #26 |
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| BikerLikeAnIcon | Mar 7 2007, 05:34 PM Post #27 |
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I think I can take a joke better than most people....and I live for sarcasm. I believe it takes a certain amount of intelligence to understand sarcasm, and that's why some people just don't get it. |
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| theonlyfab4fan | Mar 7 2007, 05:47 PM Post #28 |
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Please try and not sh*t your britches Dotty. People will only focus on the fact that you smell bad. :lol:
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You say you want to save humanity but it`s people that you just can`t stand John came to me in a dream and this is what he said. "I had a vision of a man on a flaming pie, and he told me that Betsy with a B not Lisa with a L is the biggest fan of mine". John trumps 'the boss' ! I WAS ROBBED BY THAT DEVIL WOMAN | |
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| JanaW | Mar 7 2007, 05:58 PM Post #29 |
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I still think that the fact we elected George Bush as our President...not once, but TWICE...should prove we have a sense of humor!
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| Dorfliedot | Mar 7 2007, 06:01 PM Post #30 |
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boy, won't I be a popular little sucker.
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| Sandra | Mar 7 2007, 09:33 PM Post #31 |
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I don't have much experience of American humour apart from the sitcoms on TV I've also seen Emo Phillips on stage (hilarious) otherwise it's the people on this board and the macca board. Some of them I often find to be very funny. I think sarcacasm is good if it is not over used. |
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| Bill | Mar 7 2007, 11:38 PM Post #32 |
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Well, let's have a think about what we're actually comparing the American sense of humour (if there is such an animal, I'm not convinced there is) to. Is there a British sense of humour? I think there are many. The culture that gave us Spike Milligan and Eric Idle also gave us Benny Hill and Roy Chubby Brown. Who better embodies the British sense of humour.... if any? Likewise, the culture that gave us Mark Twain and Harry Shearer also gave us Rosie O'Donnell and Andrew Dice Clay. So I think it's a little unfair to compare great humourists on one side to the lowbrow of the other side. If you took the Simpsons as being representative of American humour and Some Mothers Do 'Ave 'Em as being representative of British humour, you could argue that American humour is incredibly inventive and acerbic while British humour is degenerate and obvious. If you compared John Cleese to the Farrelly Brothers, you'd come to the opposite conclusion. As with all other art forms, I'll take the best of what each has to offer, and ignore the rest. |
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| Deleted User | Mar 7 2007, 11:43 PM Post #33 |
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What a f*ckin' stupid question. Do Americans have a sense of humor, this coming from the brits. What was it that Archie Bunker said about England? |
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OMG ... I think I just lost all respect for Bill.
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| beatlechick | Mar 7 2007, 11:57 PM Post #36 |
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| beatlechick | Mar 7 2007, 11:58 PM Post #37 |
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See? just exactly what I stated! Sarcasm and bad jokes abound in our past 2 elections.
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| Bill | Mar 7 2007, 11:59 PM Post #38 |
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Huh? I mean, I knew you would eventually, but why now? |
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| JanaW | Mar 8 2007, 12:00 AM Post #39 |
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| beatlechick | Mar 8 2007, 12:18 AM Post #40 |
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Bill, RIGHT ON!! ![]() I love The Simpsons! |
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| theonlyfab4fan | Mar 8 2007, 12:40 AM Post #41 |
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Sadly not every country can be fortunate enough to have spawned Rolf Harris.
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You say you want to save humanity but it`s people that you just can`t stand John came to me in a dream and this is what he said. "I had a vision of a man on a flaming pie, and he told me that Betsy with a B not Lisa with a L is the biggest fan of mine". John trumps 'the boss' ! I WAS ROBBED BY THAT DEVIL WOMAN | |
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For one thing if your only experience of American humor is via sitcoms with canned laughter then you're truly missing out in my opinion. I mean to say that those sorts of shows pander to the lowest common denominator ... even those shows like Happy Days and Laverne and Shirley (i.e. Garry Marshall creations), those poor audiences were cued to laugh by the staff. Had a friend when I was in elementary school who's dad was the lighting director for those shows ... at any rate, they really aren't very good reflections on the overall. Also it seems to me that in general there's too much profanity in programming ... whether it's comedy or drama, a good deal of the films these days incorporate far too much of it and then say their being "realistic." Well if that's "realism" ... I'll take a raincheck thank you very much. I don't mind a bit of profanity, I mean if it's something that's sort of a spontaneous outburst ... but generally speaking, it doesn't really happen too often in "my world." Not being prudish or anything ... I did live in southern California when the whole Valley Girl thing was happening, but if you can't bother to use a couple of extra words to expression something completely and you opt for going with the "easy out" too often it just gets really old. Personally I prefer someone like Lewis Black as far as American comedians go these days, and I really enjoy The Daily Show and The Colbert Report as well. Although I'm not really watching too much TV these days. Bill Maher was alright when he was on regular TV (haven't seen him since he went to Showtime) and of course I was a fan of the early days of David Letterman (when he really didn't have a clue as to what he was doing ... that was classic stuff). I've also enjoyed some of Eddie Murphy's stuff (even Delirious, although that second one he did wasn't as good) and Bill Cosby ... saw him a couple years ago, he's more of an elder statesman these days though. Older Bill Murray stuff is fine for a laugh too. Then going back a bit I was a fan of the Bob Hope and Bing Crosby road films, and just about anything that Cary Grant did (although he's more of a transplant right?) ... and of number of other early films of the 1930's and 1940's that incorporated screwball humor. Good stuff. |
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| Bill | Mar 8 2007, 04:05 AM Post #43 |
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Oh, I pulled those names purely off the top of my head. I fully agree with you about people like Lewis Black. If I'd been a bit more awake, I would also have mentioned George Carlin. The main reason I didn't mention Jon Stewart - who I am an enormous fan of - is that I think it sells him short to describe him merely as a comedian. I've said it before, but I think he is the most astute political commentator in America today. And it's only because he has the veneer of a comedian that he gets to do it. Who else would look John McCain in the eye and ask, "Where does Dick Cheney get the balls to talk to you about torture?" Any journalist worth their salt should have, but it took a comedian to do it. Please don't for a moment take my off-the-cuff comparisons as being comprehensive.
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| Dorfliedot | Mar 8 2007, 04:22 AM Post #44 |
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Right now you should smell sh*t that I am smelling. Thank god they took that diaper out.
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| Dorfliedot | Mar 8 2007, 04:24 AM Post #45 |
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I have no sense of humor. Just ask, anyone who makes fun of my spelling and can't understand me. There first to hide. Beware AntiDottty is out. and she is out to get you. Are you scared. well, Are you... |
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Well rather than respond to Dorothy and her bowel movement issues ... I'm going to side step that and respond to you instead (a happy alternative at the moment ... you've regained my respect for the moment ).Yeah I agree fully about George Carlin, was lucky enough to see him in Reno several years ago ... he's brilliant, and so is/was Robin Williams. Granted Robin is a little on the hyperactive side, but back when he was in his prime ... well, he was just a force to be reckoned with. Very dialed in ... regardless of whether it was all due to his intake (of whatever) or not, he could seriously catch a wavelength of absurdity and take his audience with him. I also agree on the Jon Stewart remarks, there was a time there during these past few surreal years in American politics when I'd catch just about anything and everything news related (CNN, ABC, PBS, CBS, NBC, MS-NBC ... couldn't fully dial in FOX-NEWS ... could get a picture but no vocal stuff, just the poorly worded script for the hearing impaired, not too big of a loss really ... probably spared a few braincells by that fluke of nature) ... and then to cap it all off at the end of the night I'd catch The Daily Show to sort of even it all out. You know, allowed one to be rather informed of what it was that was pulling people in various directions while staying rather grounded overall. I was actually relieved when I saw reports coming out of Europe that were in line with my sentiments on the situation here ... several times I contemplated just heading north to Canada, I was fully disgusted with some of the BS that was occurring here ... far too much "fearmongering" well, this is totally off topic. Sorry 'bout that.At any rate when I saw Lewis Black down in Portland he pointed out that the thing that distinguished "us" from "them" in this instance is that we've got a sense of humor ... while those that we're all essentially up against simply don't. If they did then the notion of blowing oneself up to gain a "golden ticket" into some hypothetical paradise where your "sacrifice" would be rewarded wouldn't be something that would be appealing ... regardless of where you hung your hat. |
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ROBIN WILLIAMS. thats all I have to say. |
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| maccascruff | Mar 8 2007, 01:27 PM Post #48 |
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| maccascruff | Mar 8 2007, 01:29 PM Post #49 |
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I love Bill Maher's sense of humor. |
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| DCBeatle64 | Mar 8 2007, 01:45 PM Post #50 |
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Just a different sense of humour I guess.I'm quite sarcastic.In a Scottish sort of a way.The reason i say that is because I lived in Essex for a few years and loads of people there didnt think I was sarcastic at all however when I was around my family and Scottish friends and living back here now they think that I am very sarcastic.My friends in England however,the ones who thought of themselves as being sarcastic were very into American comedy (Well OK mainly Friends and that kind of thing) which to an extent I think of as more obvious. But in answer to the question rather than my little side track I think you can have a laugh with Americans about certain things because stuff like The Simpsons I guess is the most obvious example the majority get it and find certain aspects really funny and that uses a lot or irony and sarcasm. Alot of things I say go over British people too and its the same.Its an individual thing as well not neccesarily just cultural or national and I think the media and tv has played a large part either bringing certain aspects of humour to a wider audience or just singling it out for certain groups. I may have looked at this a tad to deeply :lol: |
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| Queenbee | Mar 8 2007, 04:20 PM Post #51 |
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I thought it was the British who had no sense of humor, that they were too serious? |
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| Dorfliedot | Mar 8 2007, 06:25 PM Post #52 |
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I have no person disfuncanals at all. Only thing that is desfucanal is my brain. You say, that us American have no humor. well, just look at my spelling that is enough to make you laugh. |
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| beatlechick | Mar 8 2007, 11:55 PM Post #53 |
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As much as I dislike a lot of the ill-placed profanity, it is what is going on in real society. I heard it quite a lot in Liverpool, London, and Los Angeles. A lot more in Liverpool than I expected. I, too lived in (still do) So. Cal during the Valley Girl speak (I lived in the Valley) but never really heard Val speak until the song came out. As for Bill Maher and Jon Stewart both are pretty much in the same league with the exception of Maher being able to get away with a lot more than Stewart can because his show is on HBO. They are both comedians but also are both political pundits in much the same way Dennis Miller was. I used to love watching Presidential speeches, State of the Union in particular, with Dennis Miller on Comedy Central. His show was the State of the Onion. I think that George Carlin, especially at his peak, Robin Williams, Whoopie Goldberg, and George Lopez are all brilliant. |
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Well in all honesty ... and I really don't want this to be taken the wrong way or anything, I really don't want to insult anyone ... but it might depend upon socioeconomics or education levels to some degree. I mean to say, that although I'm pretty much financially strapped myself (LOL) ... I've never tended to hang out with people that utilize much profanity. On top of that I work amongst some people with a good deal of education under their belts, you know ... Ph.D's, MBA's, MS's in EE and ME (electrical engineers and mechanical engineers) ... so I honestly can't say that I see all that much profanity in the workplace ... when it happens it is usually rather funny though. Conversely in my private life ... well, most of my friends have the ability to express themselves without resorting to too much of that sort of thing either. They might not have the academic credentials of the other people that I'm mingling with, but they're more inclined to use regional euphemisms (I know some folks that are out of the southern states, they've got a number of ways to express themselves without really perpetually dropping the "f-bomb" or whatnot). That's not to say that it doesn't happen on occasion ... I mean, it can be a natural thing at times. I've done it on the board before, so it really just depends ... I offended the crap out of someone recently via a private message when I was trying to push the point that I was rather feed up with the exchanges that we were having. At least it ended the exchanges ... so sometimes that approach can be useful can't it? By the way I agree about George Lopez, he's pretty sharp ... but sometimes he panders too. I really enjoyed Dave Chappel's show ... too bad he felt the need to sort of tone things down, but at least he had his thinking cap on about too much fame too soon ... so I wish him well. Now this is going to go completely against some of my previous statements, but I've also enjoyed South Park on occasion ... although they can really go over the top at times. Seems like the longer that show is on, the less I can relate to it ... sometimes it's when a show is still in it's infancy that it's at it's best ... once the culture catches up to it, well it just seems like some of these shows lose their direction and end up going astray. Well ... did all of that and only used "crap" ... not too shabby right? :rolleyes: |
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| Bill | Mar 9 2007, 01:02 AM Post #55 |
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| beatlechick | Mar 9 2007, 02:36 AM Post #56 |
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I have seen the most educated people have quite the potty mouth so socioeconomics does not totally apply. I work with some very educated people but don't get them started. The movies, and comedy acts like Chris Rock do talk street so they are reflecting and creating society. BTW I think Chris Rock is a good actor but get pretty disgusted with his comedy act. I just don't think he is funny.
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| Dorfliedot | Mar 9 2007, 02:59 AM Post #57 |
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| beatlechick | Mar 9 2007, 03:01 AM Post #58 |
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Yeah ... I suppose context matters too, I mean once again it just depends really. You know there's an age thing to this as well. Going back to that reference to the Valley Girl thing for example, when I was younger I'd employ some types of rhetoric that my mother just wasn't really all that happy about. However if she repeated what I'd stated she'd add this tendency to the word I'd used that I hadn't employed and I'd sit there going, "well ... actually, that's not what I said ... and definitely not what I meant." For her she related certain words to things that I didn't ... so she'd infuse the word with something that I wouldn't and then try to correct me by doing that. Well ... I'm more than willing to be corrected, but generally speaking ... we were on totally different wavelengths. Cathy since you're familiar with the Vallez dialect that I'm referencing so I don't really feel like expanding upon too much ... you know, how certain expletives would be used in a really casual manner and so forth, to emphasize things? So when those words were coming out of her ... given what they'd meant to her generation, well ... it was like comparing apples and oranges to my ears. She'd weld some words like a blade ... with a brutal edge, whereas I'd use the same words in much more laid back manner. Youthful indulgences I suppose ... I shifted gears later, by the way I was in the Thousand Oaks area prior to that song coming out. When it awoke me one morning (alarm set to the radio ... at full blast) ... totally startled me, and amused me to no end. I'd been dealing with that dialectic trip for several months and Moon Unit Zappa just totally nailed it (LOL). |
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| Dorfliedot | Mar 9 2007, 03:08 AM Post #60 |
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You know you are funny when you are only one laughing.
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| Dorfliedot | Mar 9 2007, 03:11 AM Post #61 |
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You know you are funny when you only one picking your nose.
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| beatlechick | Mar 9 2007, 03:11 AM Post #62 |
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Some of Val talk came from England like Grotty or Grotesque. Living in the Valley at the time I was accused by people outside of California for being a Val since I lived there. It was just not a big thing as all generations have their way of talking. I know when I was a teen we were saying some of those words waaaaaay before that song came out. It wasn't the same though as we didn't have the overtly used dialect that was depicted in that song. We all did think the song was funny, though. BTW, I live very near Thousand Oaks. The song is still kind of funny, today. More of a nice memory of the song. Really Boff-o!! |
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| beatlechick | Mar 9 2007, 03:12 AM Post #63 |
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| Dorfliedot | Mar 9 2007, 04:07 AM Post #64 |
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You know you're funny when you think godzilla is real. and is coming out of the tv to get you. |
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Yeah I was actually a little surprised by the 'grotty' thing when I first saw "Hard Day's Night" ... didn't see that until 1995, whatever the year was that I was casted up. Didn't quite realize where that had been adapted from (a d'oh ... moment). I get razed on occasion up here in Wershington (some of the natives say it that way ... my sister amongst them) due to my take on the English language, I've never had the same accent as the rest of my family. Further proof (IMO) ... that I was abducted by them long ago and they're just not admitting it to me. My accent tends to be much more formal than theirs, but I bounced 'round a good deal as a child.
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Oh but he is ... and hopefully you don't live near any electrical towers or trains, he loves those things. |
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| Dorfliedot | Mar 9 2007, 04:50 AM Post #67 |
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you know funny when can't remember which foot is left. |
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Well you know your left foot is on my right ... so who's right and who's wrong? |
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| Dorfliedot | Mar 9 2007, 04:56 AM Post #69 |
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niether, so stay stong. in the end you belong. now, pass that bong. |
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The 'Fart Button' is back ... what's up with that????
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| bec_walker | Mar 9 2007, 05:41 AM Post #71 |
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I heard that the Beatles invented the word "grotty". I don't know how true this is.
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I don't know if they actually did that or if it was merely a word that was being used by that area of the country and they were just promoting it (by "they" I mean George ... thought I'd alluded to that earlier). 'Course now I sound all pretentious by sounding "authoritative" ... or whatever, not that I actually am intending to be on the matter. Just a thought based upon what was stated within that scene within that movie. |
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| Sandra | Mar 9 2007, 11:00 PM Post #73 |
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No that isn't true. It is quite a common expression. |
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| Sandra | Mar 9 2007, 11:01 PM Post #74 |
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That makes all the difference.
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| theonlyfab4fan | Mar 9 2007, 11:05 PM Post #75 |
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Alun Owen said once in an interview that he made the word Grotty up for the script and George absolutely hated having to say it. It is mentioned on the Anthology about how he just cringed everytime he had to say it while rehearsing and filming. On the silver edition DVD of a Hard Days Night is where Alun tells the story of making up the word. Then of course after it was used in the movie it became part of popular speak. |
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| foolonthehill | Mar 9 2007, 11:06 PM Post #76 |
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Awww, I loved it when George said "Grotty"
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Yeah, but he did say with a certain disdain which leads me to believe that story ... very convincing, and quite the disgusted look upon his face when he used it. |
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| Sandra | Mar 9 2007, 11:31 PM Post #78 |
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This suggests that it was came in to general use after it was used in A Hard Days Night. . Rowana Agajanian's excellent chapter in the very useful Windows on the Sixties: Exploring Key Texts of Media and Culture edited by Aldgate, Chapman and Marwick (London: IB Taurus, 2000) reveals that the word "grotty" only entered general English usage in 1964 when it was put into the mouths of The Beatles (particularly George Harrison) by writer Alun Owen through his screenplay for A Hard Day's Night. "Grotty" is, apparently, a contraction of 'grotesque'. |
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That's pretty cool, and yet another example of the Beatles massive influence on popular culture.
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| Dorfliedot | Mar 10 2007, 12:17 AM Post #80 |
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To high to explain. I am traveling in the opposite lane of my brain. but the song still remains the same. So, led zeppelin claims. but, yesterday was such long winding road. That I barely made it home. knock, knock, Nobody is home. |
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Yes, and thus millions of California Valley Girls found their niche, and not to mention Nicolas Cage.
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My goodness, you really make a good deal of sense when you go for the rhyming schema Dorothy ... care to share a bit of what you're on??
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| Dorfliedot | Mar 10 2007, 02:48 AM Post #83 |
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I am on nothing. but, the high of life which spice up everything. I am a afraid. So, have a nice day. and join my club of naughty girls brocade. |
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Well you're too funny, 'cause we're all on gravity ... and trust me it has it's good points and not so good points, depended upon how much of it your exposed to.
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| Dorfliedot | Mar 10 2007, 03:39 AM Post #85 |
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i am exposed to variety of things. but, not always the right things I suppose. once in awhile I am expose to dose of reality. |
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| Beatle_Dom | Mar 10 2007, 12:16 PM Post #86 |
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another interesting thing i often think happened because of the Beatles is the word "Woo" as in "to woo a girl" like to "attract" The Beatles headshake and their "Woo!" just before the chorus of 'She Loves You' drove the girls crazy....a connection perhaps? |
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| JeffLynnesBeard | Mar 10 2007, 03:59 PM Post #87 |
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But, of course, they 'borrowed' that particular affectation from Little Richard.
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Well I'd say they definitely brought the YEAH, YEAH, YE-AHS to the song format, prior to them doing that sort of thing ... you didn't hear that. Now whenever I hear an artist using that phrase I end up thinking that they're acknowledging The Beatles ... whether it's consciously or unconsciously. That one film of Kathleen Turner and Nicolas Cage (how odd that I'm bringing him up twice ... strange) called 'Peggy Sue Got Married' makes a bit of a lark about it all. She get's into an accident and goes back to the 1950's, at one point she's trying to assist Cage's character with his songwriting/vocal group ... by giving them a Beatle song "She Love's You" I believe, and he's wanting to change that bit of the song because he didn't think it had potential. Totally funny ... seems like she was floored by his lack of vision in that sequence. |
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| Beatle_Dom | Mar 10 2007, 06:37 PM Post #89 |
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even the headshake? wow. i always preferred the Beatles versions of Long Tall Sally and Lucille to Little Richards originals. and Icarus....did i ever tell you how cute you are? |
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You're sneaky Dom, I think I like that about you.
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| Beatle_Dom | Mar 10 2007, 06:45 PM Post #91 |
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It reminds me of my gran she hates it when i respond with "yeah" to something she goes "its not yeah! its yes!" i always go "she loves you yes, yes, yes? nah it'll never catch on!" |
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Well in general practice ... I rarely say "yes" ... it's too formal, I'll use it in a business setting I suppose but only if I'm trying to sway someone in one direction or another and I don't want language style to distract whatever points I'm making. Yeah I think that's accurate.
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| foolonthehill | Mar 10 2007, 06:53 PM Post #93 |
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:lol: Even better would be "She loves you, yup, yup, yup." |
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OMG ... 'yup' drives me batty, there's someone over on the Macca board that's constantly jumping into the "Is Paul a Music Genius" thread that'll do that. I'd gotten into a really elongated dialog with them and another member about what the question really meant, or rather what "genius" means ... guess they figured we'd covered everything that could be stated on the matter. So now whenever anyone goes into that thread, they'll try to strongarm the natural progression that might ensue by just placing "yup" after whatever they say. Now that I've got a different screen name over there, I'm tempted to go plant something in that thread about "so what does musical genius really mean?" You know ... try to start that whole thing over again and see how unraveled she'd become. It's a good thing that I don't act on my mischievous inclinations (or at least I don't act upon all of them).
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| Beatle_Dom | Mar 10 2007, 07:02 PM Post #95 |
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a mischevious woman always gets my attention.....usually for all the wrong reasons. So go on Icarus! be Mischevious! |
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| foolonthehill | Mar 10 2007, 07:07 PM Post #96 |
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'Yup' is pretty bad. I'll admit, when I'm being sarcastic or cynical, it pops outta my mouth. But rarely other than that.
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Kristin ... is that your eye??? I mean the avatar of course, just wondering. Darn vowels (shrugging). |
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| foolonthehill | Mar 10 2007, 07:10 PM Post #98 |
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:lol: Yes. I just accentuated the colors and stuff. A splendid time was had... by me. |
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| foolonthehill | Mar 10 2007, 07:29 PM Post #100 |
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