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| scottycatt | Feb 17 2008, 07:38 PM Post #801 |
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I think Huckabee is making a bid for 2012, as he knows conservatives will need a *true* conservative to compete against the Democratic incumbent.
Btw, Huckabee is, in my opinion, a reactionary rather than a conservative. Case in point: when he was first elected to the statehouse in Arkansas, he didn't want any dancing to take place at his inaugural ball. :rolleyes: Aaaah, dancing -- truly the work of the devil! :rolleyes:
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| maccascruff | Feb 17 2008, 11:23 PM Post #802 |
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Dancing is definitely the work of the devil. Yes, Obama has gotten some of my money. He's a very effective fund raiser. |
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| Queenbee | Feb 17 2008, 11:41 PM Post #803 |
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He's gotten mine too and a few times matching donations. I want Senator Obama as our next president! |
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| Jacaranda | Feb 18 2008, 01:34 AM Post #804 |
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On this last Friday, my daughter's first grade class was asked what three things they would do if they were elected President of the U.S. These are her three: "1) I will be respectful to everyone. 2) I will give them my dream. 3) I will say for all and good, I will not let anybody down." A good platform. She told me she would vote for Obama. I think she may have been slightly influenced somewhere along the line.
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| Bill | Feb 18 2008, 02:57 AM Post #805 |
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To be fair, it's a question of why he chose that. He's a pretty good bass player so I don't think he has anything against music. If (and I'm not saying this is what happened, just a maybe), he decided it wouldn't be right to have a party while there were people going homeless, then i could support the decision. I'd like to know the context before I judged him on that.
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| scottycatt | Feb 18 2008, 04:50 AM Post #806 |
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Bill, his decision had nothing to do with music. It had everything to do with his (or his church's) belief that dancing goes against his religious teachings. I remember visiting my family at Christmas (they lived in Arkansas) and reading about the dancing ban in the newspaper. I couldn't believe this kind of backward thinking was still happening in the 1990s.
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| Bill | Feb 18 2008, 05:48 AM Post #807 |
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Oh! That makes it even weirder that he plays in a band. |
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| Bill | Feb 19 2008, 05:56 AM Post #808 |
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So who was this Reagan person that everyone wants to imitate? http://www.slate.com/id/2183513/ This link is offered purely as food for thought. All dissenting opinions welcome.
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| beatlechick | Feb 19 2008, 06:54 AM Post #809 |
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Interesting article. During his administration, not many knew what kind of b*stard he really was. Sorry John, I do remember Iran/Contra and the financing of the Nicaraguan sandinistas, or was it the guerillas? Doesn't much matter, they both waged war against the populace. I heard an interesting comment on Bill Maher's show. The panel was talking about why Huckabee was still in the race. One of them commented that as a Pastor, which he is/was, you raise the money and follow it. So I guess you can say that each place he raises money, he follows it and has to campaign. Interesting that he travels by bus and stays in places like The Best Western while Guiliani travelled by private jet, stayed in hotels like the Four Seasons, was chauffered and expected to still have enough funds to stay in the race. |
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| Bag O' Nails | Feb 19 2008, 10:03 PM Post #810 |
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I'm baaaaaack! I've had some surgery on the 7th and am now back online again....this thread needs a jolt of a good ol' Regan Republican *ducking*
As I was reading through these last few pages, I wanted to make a correction to a post I made to Bill regarding Jon Stewart. I got confused and the person that I said I "despised" was not Stewart but rather Bill Maher. My bad. Why is Huckabee still in the race? I received this in an email from a Huckabee supporter which comes from Huckabee's site. I copied the part of it where he states his reasons, although the entire article does go on to ask for financial support (notthattheresanythingwrongwiththat) to continue his campaign: The first question I am often asked these days is: "Why are you still running for President?" It is because I believe that I am the best candidate to represent you in the fall against the Democrats. Why? Because I have core conservative beliefs that I have never wavered from: I believe in the Human Life Amendment and I will fight for it from Day 1 of my Presidency. I believe in the Marriage Amendment. I believe in massive tax reform and am an advocate of the FairTax. I believe that President Bush's tax cuts should be made permanent. I believe in the Surge, our troops and General Petraeus. I believe the 2nd amendment is one of the best ways to protect us from tyranny and I will work tirelessly to protect it from activist judges. I believe in real border security and have proposed a detailed 9 point plan to secure our borders. I believe the best judge is a conservative judge that won't legislate from the bench. These are some of the reasons why I am running for President and let me also say that YOU are another reason. I am running to give you a voice in the process. To lift up your voice with mine and to tell our Party and our government that we need to do better. We need to think big and fight for our ideas. Most of you here won't agree with it, but I offer it as an response to why he's still running (even though he has no chance at this point). |
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| Bag O' Nails | Feb 19 2008, 10:46 PM Post #811 |
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Where was the source of this? |
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| Bag O' Nails | Feb 19 2008, 10:59 PM Post #812 |
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Probably as "real" as this that I got in an email:
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| beatlechick | Feb 20 2008, 12:51 AM Post #813 |
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This was in the news quite a bit. It was from the RNC. Here is the link http://net.gop.com/valentine/. |
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| Bill | Feb 20 2008, 01:29 AM Post #814 |
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Good to see you! Cathy has fielded the question about the e-card. Yes, it's from the RNC website. I find it interesting how many Republicans don't believe the RNC could do such a thing. Bill Maher? I like him even though I don't always agree with him but I would never defend him from the charge of being a blowhard. That's totally fair comment. Speaking of Reagan, Heidi, could you have a look at the Slate article I posted earlier. I'd be interested to get your views. |
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| JeffLynnesBeard | Feb 20 2008, 04:12 AM Post #815 |
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Obama Wins Wisconsin Primary Poll Barack Obama is riding the wave of momentum after a series of wins Barack Obama is projected to take a primary vote in Wisconsin, a blow to his rival for the Democratic nomination to run for president, Hillary Clinton. John McCain is projected to win for the Republicans, boosting his front-runner status in his party's contest. Mr McCain appeared to target Mr Obama in his victory speech as he promised to ensure Americans were "not deceived by an eloquent but empty call for change". Contests are also taking place in Hawaii and Washington state. Mr Obama is expected to win the Democratic caucus in Hawaii, where the Illinois senator was born and 20 delegates are at stake. Full article: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7252205.stm |
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| maccascruff | Feb 20 2008, 04:22 AM Post #816 |
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Yeah, Obama! Bring on Ohio and Texas. We're ready, Hillary.
Read in our paper that McCain finished 5th from the bottom of his class at the US Naval Academy and was a bully who crashed five planes. Just what we need for president. http://www.dailycamera.com/news/2008/feb/1...s-the-old-boss/ |
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| doris mendlovitz | Feb 20 2008, 04:40 AM Post #817 |
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I got a phone call with a recorded message of Bill Clinton speaking reminding me to get out and participate in early voting on the primaries for Hillary. I was impressed I got out and voted today. love doris. |
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| maccascruff | Feb 20 2008, 04:41 AM Post #818 |
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Both Bill and Hillary called me before our caucus. I hope you voted for Obama, Doris. He's the man! |
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| doris mendlovitz | Feb 20 2008, 10:07 AM Post #819 |
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I Just voted for the democratic canidates. It was hard to choose. I voted and have no the right to complain about the state of affairs. love doris. |
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| maccascruff | Feb 20 2008, 06:04 PM Post #820 |
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That is why you have to vote in the primary and then in the general election--so we can all complain about what they do once they get in office! |
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| Queenbee | Feb 21 2008, 02:06 AM Post #821 |
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((Linda)) ~ My son who is a staunch Republican voted for Obama and will again vote for him in the all! i couldn't believe this when he told me. Now to get Bert changed over. |
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| fab4fan | Feb 21 2008, 06:00 AM Post #822 |
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Last week, Clinton adviser Sid Blumenthal e-mailed an article from The American Conservative implying that Obama's support was, at least in part, due to white liberal guilt. "It's time to get real about how we actually win this election," Clinton said Wednesday at Hunter College in New York. “It's time that we move from good words to good works, from sound bites to sound solutions.” Her conclusion: “Let’s get real.” :rolleyes: |
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| Bill | Feb 21 2008, 06:30 AM Post #823 |
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Wow! Now that McCain is the Republican nominee in all but name, they really are chasing the Coulter vote. |
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| maccascruff | Feb 21 2008, 05:56 PM Post #824 |
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And Obama wins another one! He one the virtual primary for Americans living overseas. 11 in a row. We're going to beat you, Hillary and Bill.
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| Bag O' Nails | Feb 21 2008, 09:28 PM Post #825 |
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There's going to be a lot of mud-slinging and crap-digging in these next few months. Look at what's been being said about Michelle Obama's remarks about her "being proud of her country for the first time in her entire adult life." She should be much more careful on what she says. I'm sure she's been proud of her country before her husband ran for office....but the media has taken off on this big time. |
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| Bill | Feb 22 2008, 03:33 AM Post #826 |
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Anyone can grow in 40 years and anyone who flies over enemy territory has my respect. It's not going to do the Dems any favours if they try a Republican-style smear job on McCain. This is a chance to have an election about issues, ideas and vision. Any attempts at swiftboating are going to backfire. The lobbyist affair story? sh*t, let it go! I'm not assuming it's true but even so, when has marital infidelity even actually made someone a bad leader? Both sides have an opportunity to take the high road here and I'd be very disappointed if either side didn't take it. |
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| Bag O' Nails | Feb 22 2008, 04:58 AM Post #827 |
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Agreed. |
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| Queenbee | Feb 22 2008, 11:19 AM Post #828 |
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I bet Hilary stays away from the cheating issue of McCain. I too hope they stick to the issues and stay away from the mud slinging. Quickest way to turn us off.. |
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| Mia Culpa | Feb 22 2008, 03:15 PM Post #829 |
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The great thing about Clinton and McCain is that all their dirty laundry aired long ago. Who knows what skeletons lurk in Obama's closet. |
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| modgirl1964 | Feb 23 2008, 01:09 AM Post #830 |
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| ~LovelyRita~ | Feb 25 2008, 05:31 AM Post #831 |
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I'm going to see Obama speak tomorrow in Cincinati! I'm so excited! I'm actually leaning toward McCain right now, but I'm certainly looking forward to hearing Obama speak. |
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| JeffLynnesBeard | Feb 25 2008, 05:54 AM Post #832 |
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Not Ron Paul, as your signature suggests?
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| ~LovelyRita~ | Feb 25 2008, 03:06 PM Post #833 |
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haha, I should probably get rid of that. He was my favorite/still is I guess but he doesn't have a shot in hell and I'd be wasting my vote if I voted for him in the primaries. I'm considering voting in the democratic primaries anyway since I really want Obama to win over Hilary. |
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| Bill | Feb 25 2008, 03:19 PM Post #834 |
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A vote for the candidate you want is never wasted. It's not about picking the winner. |
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| fab4fan | Feb 25 2008, 03:20 PM Post #835 |
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Seems to be a very Republican trait lately! GO FOR IT. |
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| JeffLynnesBeard | Feb 25 2008, 03:26 PM Post #836 |
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It's quite strange, because Obama is certainly more of a left-winger than Hillary. Is it merely the politics of personality or do I do people a disservice by thinking that? |
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| fab4fan | Feb 25 2008, 03:31 PM Post #837 |
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A few months ago a story was leaked that Obama was a muslim. Oh horror. Even though all of us here in America knew it was an opening salvo by the Clintons the spin was that FOX was reporting it so it was a Republican smear tactic. We can finally put that to rest today with the latest release by the Clinton camp. Obama in full dress:
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| fab4fan | Feb 25 2008, 03:39 PM Post #838 |
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Andy, While he leans to the left more he seems to grasp bi-partisanship. In Illinois a lot of times he abstained from voting because he had problems with how left some of the bills that were passing were. For the record Illinois is the bluest state in the land, EVERY statewide office is democratic, and the largest city Chicago, has had a democratic mayor forever. Thankfully I had the foresight 10 years ago to get out of there and move back to Indiana. John |
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| Bill | Feb 25 2008, 03:39 PM Post #839 |
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How does that prove it's tracable to the Clinton campaign? :hmm: |
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| Mia Culpa | Feb 25 2008, 03:40 PM Post #840 |
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A lot of people vote for who they think will win rather than who they want to win. |
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| fab4fan | Feb 25 2008, 03:42 PM Post #841 |
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Obama campaign manager David Plouffe accused the Clinton campaign Monday of "shameful offensive fear-mongering" by circulating a photo as an attempted smear. Plouffe was reacting to a banner headline on the Drudge Report saying that aides to Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) had e-mailed a photo calling attention to the African roots of Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.). "The photo, taken in 2006, shows the Democrat front-runner dressed as a Somali Elder, during his visit to Wajir, a rural area in northeastern Kenya," the Drudge Report said. The Clinton campaign did not deny the charge, but did not comment further. Plouffe said in a statement: “On the very day that Senator Clinton is giving a speech about restoring respect for America in the world, her campaign has engaged in the most shameful, offensive fear-mongering we’ve seen from either party in this election. This is part of a disturbing pattern that led her county chairs to resign in Iowa, her campaign chairman to resign in New Hampshire, and it’s exactly the kind of divisive politics that turns away Americans of all parties and diminishes respect for America in the world," said Plouffe. The photo created huge buzz in political circles and immediately became known as "the 'dressed' photo," reflecting the Drudge terminology. |
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| ~LovelyRita~ | Feb 26 2008, 02:54 AM Post #842 |
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I'm not trying to pick a winner. I really want Obama to win over Hilary, Ohio is an important primary and I want to do whatever I can to ensure he gets the democratic nomination. While a vote for Paul would demonstrate support for his views, there's nothing I can do to help him at this point. I may be able to contribute something towards Obama. I would also like to note that I'm not a republican, I'm a moderate with libertarian leanings. In response to Andy, while I agree that overall Obama is further left-leaning than Hilary, his economic stances are more moderate and more closely resemble my own. I was very impressed by him at the rally today. I was expecting hollow rhetoric, but was greeted instead by sound logic and genuine passion. I'm not sure I'm ready to commit myself to the Obama camp quite yet, but I'm starting to lean that way. |
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| Bill | Feb 26 2008, 04:55 AM Post #843 |
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Drudge Report? Reliable sources huh? :lol: Not for a moment suggesting that the Clinton campaign is innocent here, but it's a very convenient two-fer for the Republicans to be able to slime Obama and blame Hillary. With Drudge and Fox on the bandwagon, there's reason for suspicion. |
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| maccascruff | Feb 26 2008, 01:54 PM Post #844 |
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Grace, let me know what you think of Obama's speech. Get there early or you won't get in. Here, I got there at 6 AM, they started letting us in about 7:15 or so and Obama didn't speak until after 11 AM. People that arrived after 8 or so first went to an overflow gym and then to a soccer field and had to listen to the speech over a PA system. Once those two overflow sites were full, they turned people away. |
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| Bill | Feb 29 2008, 04:53 AM Post #845 |
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Green campaigning? Obamacycle! http://www.wired.com/politics/law/news/2008/02/obamacycle |
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| Queenbee | Feb 29 2008, 04:53 PM Post #846 |
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I just finished calling my first 20 women in Texas ~ Women for Senator Obama, to remind them to vote next Tuesday. Now onto my next 20. Maybe I'll call my sister in Texas and harass her. lol |
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| maccascruff | Feb 29 2008, 06:19 PM Post #847 |
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Good for you, Judy. I made over 200 telephone calls for the caucus here in Colorado. |
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| JeffLynnesBeard | Feb 29 2008, 06:33 PM Post #848 |
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It's remarkable how Obama is uniting so many people and is appealing to many traditionally Republican voters as well. It's going to take something really very major to halt his momentum. Things are looking good. |
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| beatlefan2010 | Feb 29 2008, 08:57 PM Post #849 |
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| beatlefan2010 | Feb 29 2008, 09:00 PM Post #850 |
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Fantastic Judy. |
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| beatlefan2010 | Feb 29 2008, 09:21 PM Post #851 |
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Obama has small lead in Texas, close in Ohio By John Whitesides, Political Correspondent 2 hours, 51 minutes ago HOUSTON (Reuters) - Barack Obama holds a slight lead on Hillary Clinton in Texas and has almost pulled even in Ohio before contests that could decide their U.S. Democratic presidential battle, according to a Reuters/C-SPAN/Houston Chronicle poll released on Friday. The contests on Tuesday are crucial for Clinton, a New York senator and former first lady fighting to halt Obama's streak of 11 consecutive victories in their battle for the Democratic nomination for the November 4 presidential election. Obama, an Illinois senator, has a 6-point edge on Clinton in Texas, 48 percent to 42 percent. He trails Clinton 44 percent to 42 percent in Ohio -- well within the poll's margin of error of 3.8 percentage points. In the Republican race, front-runner John McCain holds commanding leads over his last major rival, former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee. McCain, an Arizona senator, has built an unassailable advantage in delegates who will pick the nominee at the Republican Party convention in September. The poll, conducted by Zogby International, found McCain with big double-digit margins over Huckabee in Texas and Ohio. Among Democrats, Obama has a big edge with voters in both states who made their decision within the last month. Clinton led comfortably in both states among voters who decided more than a month ago. Other opinion polls show tightening races in both states, where Clinton enjoyed big leads just a few weeks ago. "All the momentum is clearly with Obama," pollster John Zogby said. "The clearest indicator is the line of demarcation between those who decided early and those who are deciding late. The question is whether she can stem the tide." In Ohio, 9 percent of Democrats said they were still uncertain of their vote. In Texas, 7 percent of Democrats were not yet sure, leaving plenty of room for late swings. CLINTON'S BASE OF SUPPORT Clinton's slight advantage in Ohio was built among some of her core constituencies, including women, older voters, Democrats, Catholics, union households and voters outside the state's three biggest cities. Obama, who would be the first black U.S. president, leads in Ohio among independents, young voters, higher-income voters and blacks. In Texas, the two are essentially tied among Democrats, while Clinton has big leads in the heavily Hispanic southern and western portions of the state. Clinton, who would be the first woman president, has a double-digit advantage among Hispanics in Texas. They could account for one-third or more of the state's primary voters. "The question in Texas is who turns out to vote, and how big is the Hispanic turnout," Zogby said. Among Republicans, McCain leads Huckabee 62 percent to 19 percent in Ohio and 53 percent to 27 percent in Texas. The other remaining candidate, Texas Rep. Ron Paul, had 11 percent in Texas and 8 percent in Ohio. McCain could come close to clinching the nomination with big wins in the two states. Vermont and Rhode Island also vote on Tuesday. The rolling poll was conducted Tuesday through Thursday, with most of the survey coming after Tuesday night's combative debate in Ohio between the two Democrats that featured a series of sharp exchanges on health care, trade and Iraq. Clinton returned to Texas on Thursday night after announcing she had raised $35 million in February, her biggest month of fundraising. That gives her the resources to continue the nominating fight if she can pull out wins on Tuesday. The poll of 708 likely Democratic voters in Ohio and 704 in Texas had a margin of error in both states of 3.8 percentage points. The poll of 592 likely Republican voters in Ohio and 605 voters in Texas had a margin of error in both states of 4.1 percent. In a rolling poll, the most recent day's results are added and the oldest day's results are dropped to track changing momentum. The poll will continue until Tuesday. (Editing by John O'Callaghan) |
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All it takes is one big scandal and Obama could be finished. We know McCain can take a hit and come back stronger and there's nothing we don't know about Clinton. |
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| ThirdHarmony | Mar 1 2008, 11:53 PM Post #853 |
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I think we will see a lot more smear campaigns against Obama if he is the nominee, but so far I think he has countered the (albeit feeble) ones that have appeared so far with table-turning efficiency. He is a difficult target for the right-wing wolfpack seeing as a lot of classic attack manouvres which might have worked well against old white male politicians in the past can become more obvious than usual in this situation and thus potentially do more harm to the aggressor's side. That said, I would expect much rougher stuff to come flying once the Atwater-followers decide to sink their teeth into him in the general election campaign. Right now I think they are having a lot of intense meetings trying to find that angle that doesn't immediately backfire on them. It will be very interesting to see how Obama tackles his opponent - especially if his campaign stays commited to not going with negative attack ads. |
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| maccascruff | Mar 2 2008, 09:09 PM Post #854 |
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| JeffLynnesBeard | Mar 3 2008, 04:55 AM Post #855 |
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Obama Backers Urge Clinton to Exit if She Loses by BRIAN KNOWLTON Published: March 2, 2008 WASHINGTON — Top supporters of Senator Barack Obama, joined by at least one prominent Democrat yet to endorse a candidate, put pressure on Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton on Sunday to bow out of the presidential race unless she scores clear victories in the crucial big-state primary contests on Tuesday. Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton held a rally at Westerville North High School in Westerville, Ohio, on Sunday. “I just think that D-Day is Tuesday,” said Gov. Bill Richardson of New Mexico, a former Democratic presidential candidate who has yet to throw his support behind either candidate. And two Obama supporters, Senators John Kerry and Dick Durbin, pushed for Mrs. Clinton to withdraw if she does poorly at the polls on Tuesday. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/02/us/polit...r=1&oref=slogin Texas, Ohio, Rhode Island and Vermont hold primary contests that day, and the Clinton campaign, trailing in the delegates needed for nomination and having lost the last 11 straight contests, has acknowledged that the New York senator needs to win at least Ohio or Texas. Both candidates were campaigning Sunday in Ohio. With Senator John McCain, the presumptive Republican nominee, able to profit from the Democrats’ infighting, the chairman of the Democratic National Committee, Howard Dean, leveled unusually tough attacks against Mr. McCain on Sunday. “He runs on his integrity, but he doesn’t seem to have any,” Mr. Dean said on CNN. “John McCain has a history of doing what it takes, regardless of what the ethics are. I think he’s going to be a flawed candidate.” He also called the Arizona senator a “situational ethicist.” Dean appeared to be referring to reports, including one in The New York Times, that suggested that McCain sometimes applied tougher ethical standards to others than to himself — a charge Mr. McCain has spiritedly denied. Mr. Richardson, saying that it was vital to Democrats’ hopes in the general election in November to mount a positive, unifying campaign, said on the CBS News program “Face the Nation” that “whoever has the most delegates after Tuesday, a clear lead, should be, in my judgment, the nominee.” For that to be Mrs. Clinton, she would have to significantly exceed the results predicted by polls, which now show Texas a virtual toss-up, while Ohio voters narrowly favor her. In the smaller states, Mrs. Clinton holds a lead in Rhode Island while Mr. Obama has the edge in Vermont. Howard Wolfson, the communications director of the Clinton campaign, offered no hint on Sunday that Mrs. Clinton was considering whether to drop out of the race if she did not win on Tuesday. He argued again that Mrs. Clinton had shown her ability to win the big states that would be needed for a Democratic victory in November. “Our coalition of states is broad, it’s diverse,” he said on the ABC News program “This Week.” And Mrs. Clinton, he added, had “a very strong case to make” that she would be the stronger Democrat candidate against Mr. McCain. And a Clinton supporter, Senator Dianne Feinstein of California, said on “Fox News Sunday” that Mrs. Clinton should ignore the pressure to bow out and decide for herself what is best. “Hillary Clinton is a major candidate,” Ms. Feinstein said. “She has every right to stay in the race if she chooses to do so.” Still, some senior Democrats who have endorsed Mr. Obama stepped up the pressure on Mrs. Clinton on Sunday. Senator Kerry of Massachusetts, the unsuccessful Democratic presidential candidate in 2004, said Mrs. Clinton would need more than narrow victories to remain a viable candidate. “Hillary Clinton has to win a big victory in both Ohio and Texas,” he said on the CNN program “Late Edition.” “It’s not just winning a little bit,” he said. “In order to close the gap on pledged delegates, she’s got to win a very significant victory.” And Mr. Durbin, Mr. Obama’s fellow Democratic senator from Illinois, said the mathematics of the electoral calendar would make it very difficult for Mrs. Clinton to win the nomination even if she broke even with Mr. Obama in the delegates allotted Tuesday. “If, in fact, there is no measurable change on Tuesday,” he said on Fox, Mrs. Clinton would need “extraordinary percentages” in the remaining contests — averaging 62 percent of the delegates yet to be decided, by his calculation, to go on to victory. “I hope ultimately she makes an honest appraisal of her chances,” Mr. Durbin said. “I hope after Tuesday her decision is made on the basis of the unity of the party.” By The Associated Press’s count, Mrs. Clinton trails Mr. Obama by 109 delegates, with 2,025 needed for nomination. The four states voting Tuesday will award a total of 444 delegates. But Karl Rove, the former senior political adviser to President Bush and architect of his presidential election victories, said such calls from Democrats for Mrs. Clinton’s withdrawal were unwise and unbecoming. “I think it’s a mistake for his campaign to be calling for her to drop out,” Mr. Rove said on Fox. That would be seen as “rubbing her nose” in the fact that she is trailing, he said. “It’s up to the delegates at the convention to decide who wins and loses,” he added. While there has been a growing expectation that Mrs. Clinton would drop out if she did poorly on Tuesday, it is less clear what lesson she might draw from a mixed result. She could, for example, win the popular vote in Texas but lose narrowly in the delegate battle, since Texas has a mixed primary-and-caucus system and Mr. Obama has regularly outperformed her in caucuses. And some political analysts said that Mrs. Clinton — who has clearly sharpened her attacks on Obama, even as he has been outspending her — appeared to have made some headway in recent days in raising doubts about his experience and readiness to be commander in chief. If Mrs. Clinton does stay in the race, the next big contest is not until April 22, in Pennsylvania. Mrs. Clinton holds a strong lead in polls there, but many Democrats fear continued negativity over that extended period between her and Mr. Obama could seriously damage the party, giving Mr. McCain vital time to mend divisions in the Republican Party between him and some conservatives. New York Times Article |
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| Queenbee | Mar 4 2008, 12:47 AM Post #856 |
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Hilary's ad. Will add Obama's in a few minutes. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-h2GF51s-ss&NR=1 Here's the parody. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3VEMazRvNY |
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| fab4fan | Mar 4 2008, 04:26 AM Post #857 |
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| Bill | Mar 4 2008, 04:55 AM Post #858 |
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So do I! :lol: Here's the thing about Jack Nicholson movies: Has anyone ever noticed that in just about ever film he's been in, he starts out as the coolest, most confident thing on earth but always ends up getting destroyed? That's not the kind of cool I'd want associated with my campaign.
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| LadyMacca | Mar 4 2008, 01:03 PM Post #859 |
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| Queenbee | Mar 5 2008, 01:45 AM Post #860 |
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I just spent the better part of my afternoon watching the documentary Zeitgeist and now I'm taking a break from watching Loose Change. I am really feeling unpatriotic and could use a good cry. I am so disappointed and ashamed of our country leaders, the church and the banks for how they have corrupted our country and the world and lying to us. The government doesn't want us to be educated, because if we were, we'd be asking questions that they don't want to answer and refuse to answer. No wonder Colin Powell left the White House and you don't hear much about him. I can't imagine how dishearten he has to feel with our country and the countries around us. The Zeitgeist is a 2 hour documentary. http://zeitgeistmovie.com/main.htm
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| maccascruff | Mar 5 2008, 01:49 AM Post #861 |
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YES!!!!!! The polls close in another 7 minutes or so in Texas. Fingers are crossed. After watching the Zeitgeist documentary, I want Hilary even less in office and definitely don't want to see McCain. (((Linda))) Great going on 200 calls. I didn't get past 20 calls. |
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| maccascruff | Mar 5 2008, 01:59 AM Post #863 |
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It's hard work and it gets frustrating when you get yelled at and hung up on. Also, when some Hillary people are obviously taking up your time with questions so you can't get on down your list. |
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| Bag O' Nails | Mar 5 2008, 02:07 AM Post #864 |
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Got this in an email today. Comments? Thoughts? WOULDN'T IT BE GREAT TO TURN ON THE TV AND HEAR ANY U.S. PRESIDENT, DEMOCRAT OR REPUBLICAN GIVE THE FOLLOWING SPEECH? "My Fellow Americans: As you all know, the defeat of the Iraq regime has been completed. Since congress does not want to spend any more money on this war, our mission in Iraq is complete. This morning I gave the order for a complete removal of all American forces from Iraq. This action will be complete within 30 days. It is now time to begin the reckoning. Before me, I have two lists. One list contains the names of countries which have stood by our side during the Iraq conflict. This list is short . The United Kingdom , Spain , Bulgaria , Australia , and Poland are some of the countries listed there. The other list contains every one not on the first list. Most of the world's nations are on that list. My press secretary will be distributing copies of both lists later this evening. Let me start by saying that effective immediately, foreign aid to those nations on List 2 ceases immediately and indefinitely. The money saved during the first year alone will pretty much pay for the costs of the Iraqi war. THEN EVERY YEAR THERE AFTER IT'll GO TO OUR SOCIAL SECURITY SYSTEM SO IT WONT GO BROKE IN 20 YEARS. The American people are no longer going to pour money into third world Hellholes and watch those government leaders grow fat on corruption. Need help with a famine ? Wrestling with an epidemic? Call France . In the future, together with Congress, I will work to redirect this money toward solving the vexing social problems we still have at home. On that note, a word to terrorist organizations. Screw with us and we will hunt you down and eliminate you and all your friends from the face of the earth. Thirsting for a gutsy country to terrorize? Try France or maybe China . I am ordering the immediate severing of diplomatic relations with France, Germany , and Russia . Thanks for all your help, comrades. We are retiring from NATO as well. Bonne chance, mez amies. I have instructed the Mayor of New York City to begin towing the many UN diplomatic vehicles located in Manhattan with more than two unpaid parking tickets to sites where those vehicles will be stripped, shredded and crushed. I don't care about whatever treaty pertains to this. You creeps have tens of thousands of unpaid tickets. Pay those tickets tomorrow or watch your precious Benzes, Beamers and limos be turned over to some of the finest chop shops in the world. I love New York A special note to our neighbors. Canada is on List 2. Since we are likely to be seeing a lot more of each other, you folks might want to try not p*ssing us off for a change. Mexico is also on List 2 its president and his entire corrupt government really need an attitude adjustment. I will have a couple extra thousand tanks and infantry divisions sitting around. Guess where I am going to put 'em? Yep, border security. Oh, by the way, the United States is abrogating the NAFTA treaty - starting now. We are tired of the one-way highway. Immediately, we'll be drilling for oil in Alaska - which will take care of this country's oil needs for decades to come. If you're an environmentalist who opposes this decision, I refer you to List 2 above: pick a country and move there. It is time for America to focus on its own welfare and its own citizens. Some will accuse us of isolationism. I answer them by saying, "darn tootin." Nearly a century of trying to help folks live a decent life around the world has only earned us the undying enmity of just about everyone on the planet. It is time to eliminate hunger in America It is time to eliminate homelessness in America . To the nations on List 1, a final thought. Thank you guys. We owe you and we won't forget. To the nations on List 2, a final thought: You might want to learn to speak Arabic. God bless America . Thank you and good night. " If you can read this, thank a teacher. If you are reading it in English, thank a soldier. |
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| beatlechick | Mar 5 2008, 02:59 AM Post #865 |
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Wow, where do I start? First of all, the Iraqi regime that is in there now was supposedly freely elected and installed by the US and their cohorts. Secondly I would never take any country off of any list by the mere fact that they did not continuously support the US in their misguided endeavors in Iraq. To much blood has been shed for the lies that got us in there in the first place. Other countries should be allowed to keep peace as they see fit as long as it is done humanely and without a heavy hand and if the US doesn't like it, than tough. As for corrupt government, look in our backyard before we go looking in others. We can ill afford to get out of NATO. We need the NATO treaty as well as we need the UN. The US is so damned proud of our checks and balances measure, NATO and the UN are doing just that. They may not be perfect but then neither is the US! We need as many diplomatic relations as we can get. You never know when we will need to call upon them to defend the US or to help calm down a neighbor that is angry at us. The US is only a world leader, not the world. I am an environmentalist. I will NOT move from the US, it is my country as much as it is anyone else's. How dare anyone come up with that! It is my right to not want pristine land to be drilled and killed just for the sake of some jackass to drive their SUV's as much as they want without any care for what happens to the land, our land. The land that we love as long as it produces oil. bullsh*t! Where is oil going to get you when the land dries up? I guess you can say that the email pretty much incenses me. How narrow-minded that author is. :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: The only good thing in that email is the pulling out of ALL forces in Iraq!
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| Bill | Mar 5 2008, 03:43 AM Post #867 |
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What an incredibly ignorant essay. For a start:
Well duh! President Bush said that in May 2003. The Iraqi regime in 2008 is an ineffectual rabble reliant on US forces. Keep up! Is that the regime the US is trying to defeat now? This doofus lists all the bad things he intends to do to countries that didn't help out a failed escapade. But what about list 1? What will you do FOR the countries that helped? I know the answer - f*ck all, as usual! I am greatly heartened that the majority of Americans realise that as a country, they have to stop behaving like spoilt brats. If you want a president who behaves like a 16yo throwing a tantrum, then vote for that guy. Fortunately, he's not running. He didn't even put his name to the email so we know just how deep his courage runs. If this person thinks America has been badly treated by the rest of the world then that just goes to show how little he knows. If the world treated America the way America treats some countries, America would be screwed. Beyond that, I'll take Fab's advice of never arguing with an idiot. What are your own thoughts on this Heidi? Do you subscribe to the author's immature superiority complex? |
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| Bill | Mar 5 2008, 05:03 AM Post #868 |
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| fab4fan | Mar 5 2008, 05:19 AM Post #869 |
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| beatlechick | Mar 5 2008, 05:55 AM Post #870 |
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She has been projected the winner of the Texas primary but there is still the Texas Caucuses that have 1/3 of the overall 228 delegates. |
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| ThirdHarmony | Mar 5 2008, 10:04 AM Post #871 |
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Regardless of the (relatively small) impact tonight's results will have on diminishing Obama's total lead in delegates, we're looking at a solid block of time where the media will be painting Clinton as a "comeback kid" - and that psychological image is Obama's biggest problem right now. If indeed this ges all the way to the convention (and it currently looks very much like it, despite Obama's perhaps impenetrable delegate lead) where one of them will emerge the winner (I'd still bet my money on Obama there) - then there are, broadly speaking, two ways this could affect the Democrats in the upcoming General Election: 1. A bloody spectacle which McCain will be able to profit from, pointing to divisions on the other side and perhaps most valuable to him - avoidance of focus on his own problems with his personal brand of conservatism and the views of the broader republican base. 2. A not-so-bloody media circus all the way to August which will NOT benefit McCain as much since it effectively bursts at the seams with headlines about Democratic issues (health care, economy, moving away from Bush-like policies to mention a few). In other words, the Republican nominee race is over and done with, so McCain can throw all the backyard barbecues he wants but the top story will still be the two Dem candidates discussing their issues. If the Democratic contenders both go nasty on each other from here on out, I suspect scenario 1 is more likely. There aren't any huge states left on the calendar, so Clinton's hopes of catching up delegate-wise look slim. I suspect her actions will determine this race. |
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| Bill | Mar 5 2008, 10:24 AM Post #872 |
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The big worry is that there are probably more super delegates than owe Clinton favours than Obama. We might find out if their loyalty is more to the party machine than to the will of the people. If they try to override the primary results, then they will deserve to lose. |
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| ThirdHarmony | Mar 5 2008, 11:03 AM Post #873 |
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Yes, there are currently more superdelegates commited to Clinton, but she has been losing them steadily during the last month. We'll see if the Oh & Tx wins can stop her haemorrhaging of superdelegates. I doubt those who have gone public with a statement on why they changed from Clinton to Obama will change back. In the end, I think the heaviest factors when superdelegates decide will be who has the lead in delegates and who consistently polls better against McCain. I may, of course, be wrong. I have a hard time seeing Clinton supporters throwing themsevles on their swords just because their preferred Dem candidate isn't winning - but then again, I've seen people behave in pretty strange ways before... |
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| maccascruff | Mar 5 2008, 02:20 PM Post #874 |
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| JeffLynnesBeard | Mar 5 2008, 06:50 PM Post #875 |
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I would urge all Democrats and people who are desperate to change the course of America to get behind whoever the candidate is in the Presidential elections, regardless of whether it is Obama or Clinton. The country needs change, not some 71-year old Republican who has only got one thing going for him - in that he isn't Bush. If Obama supporters don't vote for Clinton, then you're paving the way for a McCain victory. I'm sincerely hoping that it will be Obama, but I'd take Clinton over McCain any day. Whatever happens, it'll be an improvement. |
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| Bag O' Nails | Mar 5 2008, 10:48 PM Post #876 |
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| Bag O' Nails | Mar 5 2008, 10:58 PM Post #877 |
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| JeffLynnesBeard | Mar 5 2008, 11:35 PM Post #878 |
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I hope those aren't the same 'conservative principles' behind that e-mail you reproduced on this thread, Heidi. My message was more to those who were supporting one of the democratic candidates who would find it difficult to vote for their opponent in the candidacy race should they win the nomination. I honestly don't think that anyone who wants real change will vote for McCain and also believe that a Republican vote in this Presidential election is an endorsement of the previous (sorry, current) - shocking - regime. I don't think that all of the candidates had good ideas. However, the ones who didn't and I disagreed with the most are now out of the race.
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| Bag O' Nails | Mar 6 2008, 12:04 AM Post #879 |
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That email that I reproduced was obviously written by someone who was fed up with the state of the general disgust of the war in Iraq and of the general feeling of hatred of Americans in many parts of the world. We're always there to lend a helping hand, and I guess they're frustrated with the lack of support when we ask for it. Whatever their reasons, many countries did not want to get involved; but I doubt their reasons all were all as noble as they made it sound. While I certainly don't agree with all of that email's content, I do understand some of the sentiment/frustration that it represents. When I hear people touting the word "change," it always makes me a little curious to know exactly what they mean. We all want changes of some sort, especially when something is not obviously working. But when people are unhappy, they want "change" and that is what is pounded into our heads to make us vote for them. There are more things than the Iraq war that need "change." I don't like McCain's ideas about being present there for another 100 years; it makes me cringe. But I'd still vote for him because there are other things that I think he represents that I believe in. I don't like some of the "changes" that the democrats would bring into office. But if McCain got in, I think he obviousy needs to make changes in the way that some things are handled. I don't know that we should think something like the Demos would be the "correct" change and the Repubs the devil; it's just not that simple. I do think each potential candidate had some good ideas; however when you vote for one, you get a package deal. And that's bascially where my problem lies with voting Democratic. |
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| JeffLynnesBeard | Mar 6 2008, 12:12 AM Post #880 |
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I don't think that McCain or the Republicans are 'the devil', far from it. If McCain does win the Presidency, I think there will be some kind of improvement in the way the country is run. Let's face it - how could there not be an improvement? There are some Republicans who have some good ideas and are moderate enough for me to appreciate where they're coming from - however - when you vote for one, you get a package deal. And that's bascially where my problem lies with voting Republican.
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| beatlechick | Mar 6 2008, 12:38 AM Post #881 |
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| JeffLynnesBeard | Mar 6 2008, 12:43 AM Post #882 |
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I have added a poll to this thread. The poll is open to everyone on the forum, not just US residents/voters.
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| Queenbee | Mar 6 2008, 01:39 AM Post #884 |
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| Bill | Mar 6 2008, 03:09 AM Post #885 |
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Even so, since I don't get a vote in the real election (even though I do live in the free world apparently), I'm not voting in the poll. Just for those who wonder....
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| JeffLynnesBeard | Mar 6 2008, 03:35 AM Post #887 |
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I'm sure you could find an inexpensive clairvoyant from somewhere to swear that he supports McCain. Say what you will about his politics, McCain makes some great oven chips.
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| Bill | Mar 6 2008, 03:45 AM Post #889 |
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The problem with all this fondness for Reagan is that it goes against what Reagan did. Reagan was basically a pragmatist. He went into Lebanon, found it was an unworkable situation and got the hell out. What kind of thinking is that? |
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| JeffLynnesBeard | Mar 6 2008, 03:51 AM Post #891 |
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71. He's 71. Just a reminder. McCain is a 71 year old white conservative. "Just what the country needs - young blood." (Stolen from Grampa Simpson commenting on Monty Burns' campaign for Governor) |
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| Bag O' Nails | Mar 6 2008, 04:05 AM Post #893 |
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| Bag O' Nails | Mar 6 2008, 04:06 AM Post #894 |
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| Bag O' Nails | Mar 6 2008, 04:11 AM Post #895 |
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| Bag O' Nails | Mar 6 2008, 04:16 AM Post #896 |
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Change Change Change Anyone who gets into office will bring.... change! I'm getting sick of hearing that word. How can you run an entire campaign based on that one word. What does it exactly mean? |
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| Bag O' Nails | Mar 6 2008, 04:17 AM Post #897 |
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| JeffLynnesBeard | Mar 6 2008, 04:32 AM Post #898 |
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Chips are what we Brits call 'French Fries'. http://www.planetnewmedia.co.uk/archive/mc...traight_img.jpg
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Change, I suppose, can mean whatever you want it to. A change to the Presidency will inevitably result in some level of change regardless of whether Bush hands over to McCain or Obama, but I believe, in politics, that real change means a change in many policies and the direction and thinking of the whole country. For the biggest change to the current administration, there is Barack Obama. For the most subtle change, you have John McCain. |
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I've had some surgery on the 7th and am now back online again....this thread needs a jolt of a good ol' Regan Republican *ducking*








2:01 PM Jul 11