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| doris mendlovitz | Feb 6 2008, 06:52 AM Post #701 |
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I would still like just for the fun of watching having the Candidates actually do a mile race or something just to see if any of them are in good shape physically to withstand the stress involved in that particular Job. Love doris. |
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| Bill | Feb 6 2008, 06:58 AM Post #702 |
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Then again..... :lol: |
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| Mia Culpa | Feb 6 2008, 07:08 AM Post #703 |
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Really? And how do you explain 8 years of W? |
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| Bag O' Nails | Feb 6 2008, 07:49 AM Post #704 |
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Just like you despise the "right wing" broadcasters, I despise the "left wing" ones like Stewart! I think he's arrogant, disrespectful and rude. I'm sure you think the same way about Hannity, O'Reilly, and others.
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| Mia Culpa | Feb 6 2008, 07:59 AM Post #705 |
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But Stewart's funny. |
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| Nick2006 | Feb 6 2008, 11:30 AM Post #706 |
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There are American voters who don't vote???
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| Nick2006 | Feb 6 2008, 11:33 AM Post #707 |
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And remember A Vote for John McCain is a vote for me, i am the real republican candidate i mean look at his wife, his wife is also mine
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| Bill | Feb 6 2008, 12:44 PM Post #708 |
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Here's the thing though: Hannity and O'Reilly masquerade as legitimate media. Jon Stewart is a satirist. You are aware of the difference aren't you? It's a satirist's job to be disrespectful. HOWEVER: As an interviewer, Stewart is as respectful as they come. How many times have you seen him shout an interviewee down or cut their mic? For what it's worth, I already know the answer. I don't "despise" anyone. Just because I object to people telling lies doesn't mean I have anything against them personally. To actually despise someone you've never met just because you don't agree with them? Geez, what a nasty attitude to carry. :hmm: |
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| Bill | Feb 6 2008, 12:44 PM Post #709 |
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So are Hannity and O'Reilly, but Stewart does it deliberately. :lol: |
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| Bill | Feb 6 2008, 12:47 PM Post #710 |
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Okay, I'll pay you that one! Poor expression. No excuses.
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| Bill | Feb 6 2008, 01:05 PM Post #711 |
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By the way, what I quoted from Jon Stewart is demonstrably true. Aren't facts are a b*tch! |
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| maccascruff | Feb 6 2008, 02:15 PM Post #712 |
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Barama wins Colorado! At my caucus site, it was standing room only. There were seven precincts caucusing there. We had over 550 people there according to the morning paper. In my precinct, Obama got 4 delegates and Hillary 2. No changing of minds. There were 2 uncommited who were very upset that their votes didn't count, according to them. The way it works in Colorado, you have to have 15% of the total number of people at the caucus and 2 just didn't cut it. They left angry and feeling left out. The man who gave the Obama speech ended it with the YES WE CAN and the place erupted. When the Hillary speech was given, their was only polite applause. I had to laugh though. The Hillary women in my precinct, and they were all women, came dressed in their finest clothes. We Obama supporters came dressed in our blue jeans and Obama tops! There appears to be quite a gap between the two groups. I don't see myself ever identifying with those women. YES WE CAN |
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| BeatleBarb | Feb 6 2008, 02:24 PM Post #713 |
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| BeatleBarb | Feb 6 2008, 02:25 PM Post #714 |
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| Bag O' Nails | Feb 7 2008, 02:18 AM Post #715 |
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I'm not critiquing his interviewing skills; I don't like his bemeaning attitude towards anything conservative, including the current president. Just because you don't "shout" doesn't mean you're not being dispresectful. I realize it's "his job." (wouldn't you consider that to be Rush's job, too? :rolleyes:) FYI, the definition of despise is: to regard as negligible, worthless, or distasteful . I think Stewart is distasteful, so whether or not you think I'm "nasty" is your opinion. It's beginning to sound personal, Bill. :hmm: I'm obviously not able to adequately give my opinions to you without being challenged to the point that I'm in constant defense mode. I'm beginning to feel like a fish swimming upstream, to I think I'll just bow out of this thread for awhile...
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| Bill | Feb 7 2008, 02:35 AM Post #716 |
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Okay, so you're saying Rush Limbaugh really is a comedian? I thought he was supposed to be a serious commentator. I'm just asking.
Most of what Stewart says even in jest is intellectually defensible. Most of what Limbaugh says is not, such as him defending Bob Dole for being a war hero and at the same time dissing John McCain for being a war hero.It's nothing personal Heidi, it's just that I'm genuinely interested in where you're coming from and I can't help it if I notice contradictions in what you say. Not talking about you here Heidi, but for years now I've been asking right wingers to explain themselves to me and show me what I'm wrong about. I'm not doing it to be argumentative, I honestly want to know. That's why I keep asking them to enlighten me, to educate me, to correct me, to show me what it is I'm missing. But most of the time, what I get back is straw-man arguments that don't even make sense within their own parameters (eg: McCain is bad for wanting to change the constitution [which is news to me anyway] but he's also bad for wanting to restore the constitution. You can't have it both ways), uncritical reposting of others' talking points which again, does not stand up to scrutiny, and bumper-sticker slogans. Please don't take it personally Heidi, there's no offence intended and I'd hate for you to feel like I was hounding you. I honestly want to know what it is I'm missing. But like I say, I can't help it if a premise doesn't add up.
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| Sci-Fi/Macca Fan | Feb 7 2008, 03:22 AM Post #717 |
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I'm goin' down to Junior's Farm!
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This is a plug for my college: Awhile ago, it was announced that Hofstra would be the home of the FINAL DEBATE before the general election on October 15! Hopefully, I will get to go. This is so exciting. There's been a huge ammount of buzz on campus, even though it's not for awhile. Tuesday, the campus was nuts with everybody yelling at each other to go to the local elementary school to vote. Of course I did and went with Obama. I just feel like Hillary isn't who I want in there, so I didn't go for her. I was surprised my home state went with her and my parents told me they didn't vote for her. At least we helped him get some delegates. Also, I'm a Political Science minor, so I get constant updates so as soon as I can get a ticket I will. Maybe you'll all get to see me on TV!
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| Queenbee | Feb 7 2008, 04:07 AM Post #718 |
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I voted for Senator Obama. My husband and son voted for Senator McCain just because they always have been a Republican. I'm an Independent and vote for who I believe in. I think McCain is too old. Now maybe if Colin Powell was his choice for Vice President, I would reconsider my vote. I want someone who BELIEVES in America and is for the American people, who will be honest and turn this country around. I changed my mind about Senator Clinton. IF and that's a BIG IF, she gets the nomination, I will vote for her over Senator McCain. I believe she will want to show what a woman can do in office and I don't think she will screw it up. You should read her book. She really had a wonderful life as a child and parents who were great role models and encouraging in Hilary's beliefs. We all should be as lucky to have such devoted parents. |
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| fab4fan | Feb 7 2008, 05:23 AM Post #719 |
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Democratic National Committee chairman Howard Dean on Wednesday voiced concern over the prospect of a brokered convention at the end of the party's White House nominating contests. "The idea that we can afford to have a big fight at the convention and then win the race in the next eight weeks, I think, is not a good scenario," Dean said according to excerpts of an interview with NY1 television. In state nominating contests so far, no clear winner has emerged among Democrats Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama for the party's nomination ahead of November's presidential vote to replace George W. Bush in the White House. "I think we will have a nominee sometime in the middle of March or April. But if we don't, then we're going to have to get the candidates together and make some kind of an arrangement," said Dean, who failed in his bid for the party's nomination in 2004. "Because I don't think we can afford to have a brokered convention -- that would not be good news for either party." A brokered convention has not been seen in decades, and harkens back to an era of shady political deal-making when powerbrokers and cash kings -- instead of regular voters -- chose one candidate over another at a raucous, smoke-filled convention hall. The comments by Dean highlighted the rising tensions among Democrats as rivals Obama and Clinton fight bitterly for delegate votes ahead of the Democratic National Convention in August, at which a nominee is officially selected. For more than 50 years, each party has selected delegates who favor one nominee over another by a significant margin well ahead of the convention, which exists mainly for ceremonial and celebratory purposes. The last conventions that required more than one ballot to designate nominees were in 1948 for the Republicans and 1952 for the Democrats. |
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| Bill | Feb 7 2008, 06:10 AM Post #720 |
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Here's the deal: The Democratic base might be thinking six of one, half dozen of the other, but they're going to vote for whoever the Dem nominee is anyway. Out in the real world, they have one candidate who can win them votes and one candidate who can lose them votes. This has been proven already. The same goes for the Republicans. The Republican base is in the minority even within the party now. The neocons might hate McCain but McCain is the one with the ability to win them votes and not lose them votes.... unless you count Ann Coulter. :lol: |
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| ThirdHarmony | Feb 7 2008, 06:18 PM Post #721 |
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Romney is gone. I just watched a bit of his dropping-out speech - which was more than I could stomach, really - where he amongst many bizarre things blurted out some of the most inane twaddle about Europe I have ever heard. If I ever come across people who cheered comments such as those, it will be a billion years too soon. Good riddance. |
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| beatlefan2010 | Feb 7 2008, 06:55 PM Post #722 |
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Yes We Can Barack Obama Music Video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjXyqcx-mYY I love this video
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| ThirdHarmony | Feb 7 2008, 07:07 PM Post #723 |
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I saw that a couple of days ago. Star-studded though it may be, it certainly carries a nice feeling. There's a bigger version here: http://www.dipdive.com/ Now, imagine what kind of song would be made for some of the other candidates' speeches... a shuddering thought. |
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| in1964johnlennonwashot | Feb 7 2008, 07:47 PM Post #724 |
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http://youdecide08.foxnews.com/2008/02/07/...-to-quit-today/ Frankly, I'm stunned!
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| Blondie10 | Feb 7 2008, 08:40 PM Post #725 |
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Reagan was 73 when he was re-elected in 1984.... I'm warming to McCain...... and he's a YOUNG 71!!!
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| Bill | Feb 8 2008, 05:23 AM Post #726 |
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Which might explain why he forgot all those important things. Or maybe it was just plausible deniability. Either way, not necessarily a good thing. Going the other way, Kennedy was 43 when he was elected. If Obama is elected, he will be the same age as Kennedy was when he was killed. As for Romney, his pretext for quitting (or should I say cutting and running?) only goes to show why he was never fit for the job in the first place. The man who claimed his sons were serving their country just as much as soldiers in Iraq just because they were campaigning for him now thinks he has to sacrifice himself to avoid a surrender? Pissweak, Mittens! Pissweak! |
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| Bill | Feb 8 2008, 05:51 AM Post #727 |
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Can any Fox fans explain this?
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| fab4fan | Feb 8 2008, 05:56 AM Post #728 |
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They say 'Fair & Balanced' not 'perfect.' |
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| Bill | Feb 8 2008, 06:03 AM Post #729 |
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Yeah? They have a real habit of putting a D after an embarrassing Republican's name. They never put an R after a Democrat. Coincidence? "Fair and balanced" would mean an equal occurance of screw-ups on both sides. Are there people in the building too stupid to know what Party McCain belongs to? Does this happen on other networks? I'm just askin'.
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| fab4fan | Feb 8 2008, 06:14 AM Post #730 |
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Speaking of forgetting things. Anybody else find it curious that President Clinton and first lady Hilary kept saying they "could not recall" all through their testimony with the special prosecutors yet as soon as they were out of office they got millions of $$$$$ to write their....memoirs? Obama has released his tax returns. How about Hilary? Super Tuesday she said, "this campaign will not be Swiftboated." How about Michael Moored. $5 million loan to her own campaign courtesy of the oil sheiks thru the Clinton Library? President Bush in the State of the Union. On tax cuts becoming permanent.
When Bill & Hilary are on the stump telling everyone that they didn't need the tax refund, why doesn't anyone ask them if they returned it to the treasury? Put up or shut up. |
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| in1964johnlennonwashot | Feb 8 2008, 06:15 AM Post #731 |
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Yeah, yeah, Bill, we get it! You don't like Fox!
But if it were me running that station....I'd do the same! But then again, perhaps it really was a mistake. I've seen that happen before, but who knows if it's intentional or not. Perhaps they think they're just telling it basically like it is?? In that case....
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| Bill | Feb 8 2008, 06:22 AM Post #732 |
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As a wise man once said. spin!spin!spin!spin!spin!
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| fab4fan | Feb 8 2008, 06:34 AM Post #733 |
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% of taxable income donated to charity: President Bush 12.14 VP Cheney 6.4 ($7,800,000 thru his first 6 years as VP) Senator Obama 6.1 ( of the $60,000, $22,000 to his church) Senator Clinton will not reveal. p.s. to Bill - who was spinning, me or I64JLwH? And now O'Reilly is wise
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| Bill | Feb 8 2008, 06:42 AM Post #734 |
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I was referring to Jen. Mind you, I'm not sure that it's wise to quote Bush in a positive way while at the same time dissing someone else for accepting money from dodgy oil sheiks.
I really don't think donations to charity have anything to do with one's fitness to be president. John Gotti gave a lot to charity too. Don't get the O'Reilly comment.
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| Dorfliedot | Feb 8 2008, 06:44 AM Post #735 |
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There droping out like flies.. :wacko: |
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| Mia Culpa | Feb 8 2008, 06:53 AM Post #736 |
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CNN cut a McCain speech to show Obama's in its entirety. He's getting screwed by everyone but the voters. |
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| Mia Culpa | Feb 8 2008, 06:59 AM Post #737 |
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Hoover donated all of his salary to charity. He was the greatest president, right? When your family fortune makes your salary look like spare change, donating a small percentage of it isn't that impressive. |
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| JeffLynnesBeard | Feb 8 2008, 12:26 PM Post #738 |
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Too true. Of course, it could be argued that if the U.S. Government was truly looking after it's citizens, many of those charitable donations wouldn't be necessary. It's strange how so many people are anti-taxation, but pro-charity. |
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| Jacaranda | Feb 8 2008, 01:21 PM Post #739 |
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Well more taxes don't give you a tax deduction do they?
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| JeffLynnesBeard | Feb 8 2008, 01:22 PM Post #740 |
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Nail. Head. I'm sure you can work out the rest of that sentence.
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| Bill | Feb 8 2008, 01:27 PM Post #741 |
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I refuse to let my accountant claim my donations and I don't keep receipts. That's not what charity is about. |
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| fab4fan | Feb 8 2008, 01:51 PM Post #742 |
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Duh let's see. Who can spend the money I earned better, me or some assh*le in Washington? Such smugness. Perhaps this example may help.
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| Bill | Feb 8 2008, 02:14 PM Post #743 |
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Two things: 1: In the interests of disclosure, the last time I received that chain email, it was credited to David R. Kamerschen, Ph.D. Professor of Economics University of Georgia, However, his website denies this. http://davidk.myweb.uga.edu/ http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/t/taxcuts.htm 2: The premise of the piece assumes that the top 10% of earners all pay their fair share of tax. If you believe that, then there's an embassy for sale in Baghdad at a bargain rate. Fact: there was a financial year sometime around 1990 when Kerry Packer, the richest man in Australia, paid just $30 income tax. I know there's a joke to be made there about the Australian economy but seriously, think about it! As for the corollary of this analysis, I can only assume that he's saying that if you want to keep the peace, don't cut taxes. :lol: It's the government's job to fund things according to how they benefit the whole country. Left to decide what their taxes go towards, what resident of Seattle is going to pay to reinforce a bridge in Minnesota? Who would voluntarily shell out to upgrade the armour on a few Humvees in Baghdad? God bless the troops but please God, don't make me pay for them! This is why we have governments. This is what government means. The alternative is anarchy. So sorry, but the answer to the original question is Some assh*le in Washington, because it's their job to look at the bigger picture. If they don't do their job well enough, then that's what elections are for! Someone once said..... sorry, I can do better than that, I'll look it up..... Ah here we go... It was Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr who said Taxes are the price we pay for civilisation. There are countries that don't have tax. You don't want to live there. |
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| Blondie10 | Feb 8 2008, 03:35 PM Post #744 |
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He had Alzheimers!! possibly in his presidency he had annoying but minor memory issues which would be in the late 80s and early 90s, and then had more and more trouble with memoory and disorientation as the years went on. He was diagnosed in 1994, and did the whole world an enormous service by going public with his diagnosis. I'm not dismissing Obama but we cant hold McCains age against him...anyone can become ill..... |
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| Bill | Feb 8 2008, 03:43 PM Post #745 |
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Just for the record, I wasn't suggesting you were dissing Obama - I'm sorry if it came across that way. I was mentioning the other side of the age coin.
Reagan did have Alzheimers which began its onset while he was president. That's not his fault but that doesn't make it any less dangerous. I like McCain too but Reagan is a bad example of septuagenarian presidents. |
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| Blondie10 | Feb 8 2008, 04:03 PM Post #746 |
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OK...I gotcha... But I think he was the only septuagenarian.. :lol: president who was actually elected in his septuagenarian years....LMAO.....
:lol: LMAO...what the hell made you think of that word!!!
Just playing with ya...my dad used to use the most obscure words as well.... I kept a dictionary in my lap whenever we sat to have a chat!!!
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| beatlefan2010 | Feb 8 2008, 05:29 PM Post #747 |
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Stars set Obama speech to music A speech by US presidential hopeful Barack Obama has been set to music by a series of celebrity supporters. Actress Scarlett Johansson and jazz legend Herbie Hancock sing lines in the music video, created by Will.I.Am from pop group Black Eyed Peas. The rapper was inspired to create the song, Yes We Can, after the Democratic candidate spoke in New Hampshire. "That speech affected and touched my inner core like nothing in a very long time," Will.I.Am said. The result was produced in two days and has been watched by millions of internet users. Others participants include R&B singer John Legend, rapper Common, basketball legend Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, CSI star Adam Rodriquez and Pussycat Dolls frontwoman Nicole Scherzinger. Obama approval Will.I.Am explained: "It was as if he was talking to and defending everything that made me who I am. "I took that speech, and I wanted everyone else to be inspired by that speech as I was." It has gone down well with Mr Obama. The candidate has had it posted on his website and personally recommended it to journalists following his campaign. But Will.I.Am said Mr Obama's team has not been in touch personally: "They have more important things than to be contacting me to say thank you. "If they had time to call me, I'd be panicking." Four years ago, the Black Eyed Peas supported Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry. Meanwhile, songs by rocker John Mellencamp have been dropped from Republican contender John McCain's events after the musician's publicist questioned their use. "Are you sure you want to use his music to promote Senator McCain's efforts?" asked Bob Merlis. "Logic says that the facts might prove to be an embarrassment, were they to be circulated widely," he added. Mellencamp had supported John Edwards for the Democratic nomination until he dropped out. Story from BBC NEWS: http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/ente...ent/7234734.stm |
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| maccascruff | Feb 8 2008, 06:43 PM Post #748 |
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Go Mellencamp. Everyone knows I support Obama. I could never vote for McCain because of his stance on the war. He has stated he can see US troops there for 100 more years. Never could I vote for someone who thinks that way. |
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http://www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote200...=4259093&page=1 The above article is well worth the read about Obama/Kennedy mystique. I'll get back to taxes (and charity.)
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| BeatleBarb | Feb 9 2008, 11:43 PM Post #750 |
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| ~LovelyRita~ | Feb 10 2008, 12:03 AM Post #751 |
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Actually, I think that view point is perfectly reasonable. I personally believe that governments are inherently inefficient and have a tenancy to screw up the programs our taxes go into (Soc. Security anyone?). Most reputable charities are much more efficient with the money you donate to them than the government is. |
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| ~LovelyRita~ | Feb 10 2008, 12:09 AM Post #752 |
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The alternative is not anarchy, the alternative is a smaller, less wasteful government. |
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| Queenbee | Feb 10 2008, 12:26 AM Post #753 |
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Interesting article. |
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| Bill | Feb 10 2008, 02:40 AM Post #754 |
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That was inherent in my point. It's always going to be some assh*le in Washington, just a question of which assh*le. But I agree that if someone has an issue with how taxes are spent then their argument is with the government and how it operates, not the concept of taxation itself. And the great irony of charities managing things better than government is that it leads government to palm off even more of its responsibilities onto charity. That's why I say the logical conclusion of such a concept is the abolition and privatisation of government altogether. What Bush should have added after his quip about the IRS accepting additional payments is that anyone who does not want to benefit from the services provided by taxation is free not to use them. They will be doing a lot of walking though, and not on footpaths. Essentially, they will have to take to the hills. |
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| fab4fan | Feb 10 2008, 05:06 AM Post #755 |
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Besides the obvious which Grace stated much more eloquently than I could I would like to comment on Andy's original thought. I thought he meant tax increase. I can see from Bill's civic lesson that it may be mistaken that some of us don't believe in taxes. That's ridiculous. As for the chain e-mail while the authorship is uncertain it factually represents percentage-wise the tax burden in the United States of America. I consider the fact that 40% contribute nothing to all the valid causes Bill pointed out to be a sin. On my charity comment I use the candidate's tax returns as one of the minor factors. I am interested to see if they have that trait. Rich-boy Kerry didn't. The Clintons won't reveal. Fits their pattern. While Bill's habit of not reporting charity for tax reduction is admirable and pure, dissing others who make a difference because they do report it is lame. IMHO. ***In Bill Clinton's defense post-presidency he has devoted a lot of time to raising money for charity. That would offset a lack of financial committment absolutely. But he is going around shooting his mouth off all the time he didn't need the money he got back from the tax cut. |
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| fab4fan | Feb 10 2008, 05:22 AM Post #756 |
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I post this to prove that even Nobel prize winners can be horse's asses! Obama will be assassinated if he wins: Nobel winner Lessing If Barack Obama becomes the next US president he will surely be assassinated, British Nobel literature laureate Doris Lessing predicted in a newspaper interview published here Saturday. Obama, who is vying to become the first black president in US history, "would certainly not last long, a black man in the position of president. They would murder him," Lessing, 88, told the Dagens Nyheter daily. Lessing, who won the 2007 Nobel Literature Prize, said it might be better if Obama's Democratic rival Hillary Clinton were to succeed in her bid to become the first woman president of the United States. "The best thing would be if they (Clinton and Obama) were to run together. Hillary is a very sharp lady. It might be calmer if she were to win, and not Obama," she said. |
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| Bill | Feb 10 2008, 07:01 AM Post #757 |
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Broadly, I agree with you. I think it would be a sin if people contributed nothing. However, income tax is not the only tax. Anyone who purchases anything is paying tax. So I think it's a little unfair to suggest (if this is what you were suggesting) that those who don't pay income tax do not contribute at all. Any charity is admirable and I wouldn't diss anyone for that alone. I suspect Cheney's motives because I suspect all his motives for everything.
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| JeffLynnesBeard | Feb 10 2008, 10:35 AM Post #758 |
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What a silly old woman. Sorry I don't have anything more intellectual to add to that. |
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| maccascruff | Feb 10 2008, 06:33 PM Post #759 |
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That article is totally ridiculous and is all I can say, too. I do have an excuse. I'm sick with a fever. |
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| wackadoo | Feb 10 2008, 06:37 PM Post #760 |
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Sometimes I think it's all rubbish. They all make promises they never keep. I don't see any good options at this point but then, I'm not sure who I think would be a good option. I will probably vote for McCain because I'm definitely not a Hilary fan. |
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| maccascruff | Feb 10 2008, 06:54 PM Post #761 |
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The promises cannot be kept without the assistance of Congress. That is the way our government works. I could never vote for McCain. He says the war in Iraq could go on for 100 years and that he could go to war with Iran. Both of those statements are totally unacceptable to me. I don't know what I will do if Billary gets the nomination, but I am hoping I don't have to worry about it. Billary is short on money. She's concentrating on Ohio and Texas. If Obama gets all the other states, it will be up to the convention to decide. |
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| JeffLynnesBeard | Feb 11 2008, 12:54 AM Post #762 |
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I think you either want change or you don't. A vote for McCain is a vote for the Republican party and, in effect, an endorsement of Bush's actions over the last two terms. If anyone wants real change, then they certainly won't be voting Republican. Is this who people really want to be the next PUSA? :hmm: |
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| BeatleBarb | Feb 11 2008, 01:21 AM Post #763 |
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Honestly, Andy - it comes down to that as far as I'm concerned. |
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| maccascruff | Feb 11 2008, 02:30 AM Post #764 |
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Exactly, Andy. I want change to it has to be a Democrat and I hope to hell that it is Obama. I do not want four more years of Dubya. |
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| Bill | Feb 11 2008, 02:58 AM Post #765 |
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I disagree. There are two Republican parties: the conservative party of previous decades and the right-wing ideologues of today. I believe that McCain represents the former. The fact that so many right-wing screechers hate his guts speaks well for him in my opinion. While I think McCain was foolish to speak of troops there for 100 year, I give him credit for publically acknowledging the fact that the next president will have to keep some troops in Iraq no matter who is elected. At the moment the Democratic primary is about who they like the most and the republican primary is about who they hate the least. :lol: Now here's the buried lead from super Tuesday: Democratic turnout: 14 million Republican turnout: 8.5 million What does this tell us? |
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| JeffLynnesBeard | Feb 11 2008, 03:18 AM Post #766 |
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You may have a point about the fact that so many staunch right-wingers have yet to be convinced that McCain represents their views, but I am not convinced that the Republican party of previous decades are that different to the Republicans of today and that McCain will represents any real change other than a different name at the White House. There are a few things I like about McCain, including his opposition against inhumane treatment at Guantanamo and his work with Kennedy on immigration reform and if McCain did gain power, I think it would be a positive move for America, compared to the years of the Bush administration, but for real change and not just mere tweaking of the social, economic and foreign policies the States has at the moment, you have to look towards Clinton or Obama - but especially Obama. A McCain Government would mean a slight improvement - an Obama Government would, in my opinion, be the best thing to happen to America and subsequently the world for decades. The 'Super Tuesday' figures are encouraging to say the least.
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| fab4fan | Feb 11 2008, 04:46 AM Post #767 |
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Bill, Last point on the tax issue. The majority of federal taxes come from income tax so roughly 140,000,000 Americans contribute next to nothing for that bridge in Minnesota and that armor for the Humvee for the troops. The majority of sales tax goes to the local governments. Saw where you were all excited about the vote totals at PM.com before. A word of caution. Many who give the Democrats the majority in primary voting are clearly because of Obama. If Hilary is the nominee many of the independents and almost all crossover Republicans (hello) will be gone in the general election. Not predicting McCain will beat Hilary but you know there are many like me who would do everything in our power to deny her. |
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| Bill | Feb 11 2008, 07:50 AM Post #768 |
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Both excellent points. Thanks for the correction on salkes tax. There are lots of different ways to read the turnout figures. I agree that Obama can win the Dems votes and Clinton can lose them. I also believe that those who are voting for Obama are genuinely voting FOR Obama rather than against Clinton. I'm on record preferring McCain over Clinton but what will be interesting is IF Clinton gets the nomination, how many right-wing Republicans will be willing to "hold their noses" as it were, and vote for McCain just to keep Hillary out, or whether they will just sit this one out completely and focus on 2012, as some are suggesting Romney is. With compulsory voting, I think McCain would cream Clinton. However, given the option of not voting at all if their preferred candidate isn't the nominee, I still don't like McCain's chances in the general election. It would mean they can blame everything on Clinton for the next four years rather than have to defend McCain for a possible 8. That's another possible outcome anyway. I really don't know exactly what to read into the numbers but they are very interesting. |
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A friend of mine said the same thing about Ron Paul. |
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| maccascruff | Feb 11 2008, 02:01 PM Post #771 |
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I can only speak for the Democrats and the people I have spoken to in my telephone calling. They are genuinely excited about Obama and many say it's the first time in their lifetime or since JFK that they have been excited about a presidential candidate. I was a child when JFK ran and only remember the Catholic issue and not much else. I know that I find Obama truly an exciting candidate who I do think will bring change. He has been able to convince Republicans and independents to cross over and most won't do that for Clinton. My sister crossed over in Iowa because of Obama. She says she won't do that in the general election if it is Clinton as the nominee. |
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| Queenbee | Feb 11 2008, 02:30 PM Post #772 |
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My brother-in-law's union is supporting Obama. They usually support Republican, so I was pleasantly surprised. |
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| Bill | Feb 12 2008, 01:48 AM Post #774 |
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| maccascruff | Feb 12 2008, 02:38 AM Post #776 |
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| fab4fan | Feb 12 2008, 03:41 AM Post #777 |
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| Bill | Feb 12 2008, 05:12 AM Post #779 |
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Two words: Dick Cheney. |
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| Bill | Feb 12 2008, 07:58 AM Post #781 |
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I think Obama and his supporters need to lay of the Kennedy-legacy angle. It's not relevant. As embarrassing as the Republicans' misty-eyed-ness for Reagan may be, at least it's 20 years less out of date than Kennedy. Kennedy wasn't the next anyone. He was the first Kennedy. I think people want Obama to be the first Obama and not some retread of a previous benchmark. |
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| hop | Feb 12 2008, 12:39 PM Post #782 |
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i agree. bill. obama is not kennedy. and, the misty-eyed reagan stuff has utterly floored me. my experience of reagan: the part of the country i'm from underwent one of the most severe recessions i've lived through. we had no money to operate any of the human services, which i know is a point of great pride to many republicans. but to actually be a u.s. citizen trying to assist the underprivileged became an impossible task. in addition, our unemployment went through the roof. so when reagan was touted as this great president, the message to me had nothing to do with reagan. the message was: whatever spin the media wants to create, so goes the mind of the masses. 1,2,3, altogether now: daaaaaaaa! and that's the completely terrifying other side of the story... |
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As first posts go, that was pretty fine. Welcome to the board, hop.
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Obama takes winning streak into Tuesday contests By John Whitesides, Political Correspondent Tue Feb 12, 1:39 AM ET WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Democrat Barack Obama hopes to extend his winning streak over rival Hillary Clinton on Tuesday, when voters in three battlegrounds make their choices in a close and bruising Democratic presidential race. Republican front-runner John McCain and his last major challenger, former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, also square off in Virginia, Maryland and the District of Columbia as McCain tries to move closer to clinching the party's nomination. In the Democratic race, Obama is favored in all three contests as he and Clinton battle for the 168 pledged convention delegates at stake in the voting. Obama easily swept four weekend contests in the states of Maine, Louisiana, Nebraska and Washington, edging past Clinton in the race for pledged delegates who select a party nominee. Among Republicans, McCain has built a nearly insurmountable lead in delegates to the nominating convention and became the likely nominee last week with the withdrawal of his top rival, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney. But Huckabee captured two of three contests on Saturday as McCain, an Arizona senator, struggled to win over disgruntled conservatives unhappy with his views on immigration, taxes and other issues. Polls close at 7 p.m. EST in Virginia and at 8 p.m. EST on Wednesday in Maryland and the District, with results expected soon afterward. All four candidates crisscrossed the area around the nation's capital on Monday, hunting for support in a hard-fought presidential race where momentum has been difficult to sustain. Obama, an Illinois senator, has 943 pledged delegates to Clinton's 895, according to a count by MSNBC -- well short of the 2,025 needed to clinch the Democratic nomination. Clinton, a New York senator, voiced confidence about her campaign's future even as she looked past the three contests on Tuesday and next week's battles in Wisconsin and Hawaii -- all of which favor Obama -- to focus on crucial March 4 contests in the big states of Texas and Ohio. "I am absolutely looking to Ohio and Texas because we know that those are states where they represent the broad electorate in this country," Clinton said. "They represent the kind of voters that will have to be convinced and won over in the general election." LOOKING TO NOVEMBER Clinton said she had the best chance of beating McCain, who has all but clinched the nomination by winning more than 700 of the 1,191 delegates needed for nomination -- an overwhelming lead on Huckabee, who has barely more than 200. Clinton strategist Mark Penn said in a memo the former U.S. first lady would be better able to withstand Republican attacks in a general election, having faced them for years. Clinton echoed the theme in an interview with a local Washington television station. "I have been vetted, I have been through this. There isn't any new information," Clinton said. "I don't think you can say that about my opponent." Obama, in a later interview with the same station, said he did not buy the argument. "What we have shown is that we can take a punch," he said. "We have shown we can take a loss." McCain said on Monday he would not take public matching funds in the nominating fight, avoiding their accompanying spending limits and allowing him to raise and spend more money before the nominating convention. He still faces opposition in his own party from conservatives unhappy with his views on immigration and other issues, but he has promised to mend fences with them. At a Monday night rally in Richmond, he was joined by two conservative former Virginia governors -- James Gilmore and George Allen -- and Christian conservative leader Gary Bauer, who endorsed McCain. He promised he would appoint conservative judges when he is president and touted his support for recently appointed Supreme Court justices Samuel Alito and Chief Justice John Roberts, both popular with conservatives. "I will appoint and nominate people who only have a clear and complete adherence to the Constitution of the United States and do not legislate from the bench," the former Navy fighter pilot and Vietnam prisoner of war said. (Additional reporting by Caren Bohan, Jeff Mason, Andy Sullivan) (To read more about the U.S. political campaign, visit Reuters "Tales from the Trail: 2008" online at http://blogs.reuters.com/trail08/) |
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The Note: Potomac Primaries Obama Seeks Beltway Boost, While Clinton Looks to the Middle Distance (ABC News Photo Illustration) By RICK KLEIN with MIKE ELMORE Feb. 12, 2008 Share For a day, at least, Washington insiders are constituents, not just foils. And they're just the beginning of who's being targeted when the presidential race makes its way through the capital region -- from the Beltway to far beyond -- on Tuesday. Voters in Maryland, Virginia, and the District of Columbia give Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., a chance to extend his winning streak, after a weekend sweep that followed a battle to a practical tie with Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., on Super Tuesday. As Obama looks to pick up delegates and extend his appeal across disparate demographic groups, Clinton is hoping to slow Obama's growing momentum -- even while she looks down the road. As polls close back east, she campaigns in El Paso, Texas, on Tuesday -- another sign that she's all-but ceding the remainder of the February contests to build a final firewall on March 4, when Texas and Ohio weigh in. Video 'The Note' Rewinds the Week's Best MomentsPolls close at 7 pm ET in Virginia, and at 8 pm ET in Maryland and DC, on a bitterly cold and messy day in the mid-Atlantic region. According to ABC's delegate scorecard, Clinton holds a 22-delegate lead coming into Tuesday's voting, when 175 additional delegates are at stake -- including seven from the "Democrats abroad" primary. But Clinton's gone cold at the wrong time, and she could wake up Wednesday staring at Obama from the other side of the standings. Maryland, Virginia, and DC also hold Republican contests on Tuesday; Maryland apportions its delegates by congressional district, while DC and Virginia are winner-take all states, with a total of 113 convention delegates at stake. Former governor Mike Huckabee, R-Ark., is coming off of a big weekend but has little margin for error given the mathematical challenges involved in his bid to upset Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz. The Democrats will be the big show: "Election officials were predicting a heavy turnout for the first-ever 'Potomac Primary,' and a great deal was at stake for the two Democratic candidates," John Wagner, Amy Gardner, and Nikita Stewart report in The Washington Post. "Obama was angling to sweep the three jurisdictions. For Clinton, a stronger-than-expected showing could blunt Obama's momentum in what has turned into a protracted competition for convention delegates." One key test for Obama will be white men, with polls showing that white men in Virginia and Maryland could be headed Obama's way, ABC polling director Gary Langer writes. "That's essential to his overall lead in these two states, since in neither of them are African-Americans predicted to have a large enough share to carry Obama themselves," he writes. "That suggests Obama could win white men on Tuesday, as he has in seven of the 23 previous states for which we have data. (Clinton's won them in 11, and they've tied in five.)" The Chesapeake region offers Obama a snug demographic fit. Virginia, Maryland, and DC "fit the profile of states Obama has been winning," Peter Canellos and Michael Kranish write in The Boston Globe. "A victory in Washington, D.C., with a large majority of black voters, is considered a foregone conclusion. But Virginia, where blacks account for 27 percent of the Democratic electorate and self-identified liberals are 34 percent, is also likely to be fertile ground for Obama. And Maryland, with 39 percent blacks and 32 percent liberals, should be as well." If there's going to be a surprise on Tuesday -- keep an eye on Virginia. "The campaigns of Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama are gearing up for today's presidential primary in Virginia, a key Southern state rife with knotty demographics and shifting party loyalties," Stephen Braun writes in the Los Angeles Times. "Both camps view the Democratic vote in Virginia as their toughest matchup." The candidates tussled to the end, with Clinton using a WJLA-TV/Politico forum Monday night to accuse Obama of cutting a deal with a top contributor (yes, the "insider" tag hurts inside the Beltway, too). "Sen. Obama has some questions to answer about his dealings with one of his largest contributors Exelon, a big nuclear power company; apparently he cut some deals behind closed doors to protect them from full disclosure of the nuclear industry," Clinton said, per ABC's Eloise Harper and Tahman Bradley. Multimedia Your Candidate? Find Your Presidential Match!And was Obama allowing some confidence to spill into his rhetoric? "I started from scratch and was up against an operation that had been built over the course of 20 years by a former president, with the bulk of the Democratic establishment on their side," he told Leon Harris and John F. Harris on Monday. "And after setting up a hundred million plus operation with hundreds of employees around the country, it looks like we've played them to a draw so far." It's a draw that could be untied on Tuesday -- if the energy and enthusiasm is any indication. "Sen. Barack Obama got a rock star's welcome from supporters in College Park and Baltimore yesterday, stirring his supporters into a frenzy on the eve of Maryland's presidential primary," Kelly Brewington and Tom Pelton write in the Baltimore Sun. "Clinton stuck to smaller venues, including a political science class at the University of Virginia, as both argued they were better equipped to take on Republican John McCain in the fall and deliver on Democratic priorities from the White House," Mike Dorning and Jim Tankersley write in the Chicago Tribune. "He has momentum and money, and the potential for a month of good news that will further stoke both," Jackie Calmes writes in The Wall Street Journal. "In another year, against another candidate, Illinois's Sen. Obama might be on the verge of nabbing the Democratic nomination. . . . But Sen. Clinton is no average candidate, and party rules give the New York senator enough convention delegates to weather February's squalls until contests in March." ABC's Jake Tapper posed the question: Should her supporters be concerned that this is not what a winning campaign looks like? Said Clinton: "Well to the contrary, I think it exactly is. 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hop, are you in California? That is exactly what happened in California. My job training job, you know the type where you actually get on the job training and paid for it but by a public organization that depends on gov't money, was cut due to the cutting of social programs by his administration. The people who needed the money the most, were the ones who were left out in the cold the longest. Unemployment in California rose substantially and took many years to recover. And yet his f*cking library, which I have never been to, is in my City and I have to pass it everyday going to and from work. |
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| maccascruff | Feb 13 2008, 03:55 AM Post #791 |
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| hop | Feb 13 2008, 05:06 AM Post #793 |
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i'm not in ca. - in ut. but it was everywhere. and right now we are experiencing a repeat of the same scenario. it has to happen if your president is an actor or makes so many speaking errors that annual quote-of-the-day calendars are made for years. i have nothing against these guys as humans. they are maybe very nice people. but as national and world leaders...they should, instead, both stay home in their own yards. not that many people could do better. our global diversities are so fragmented and demanding, it's like herding cats. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pk7yqlTMvp8 p.s. thks for the welcome jlbeard and f4f!
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I don't understand why Huckabee is staying in the race. Romney told his delegate to go for McCain. Looks like our race will go to the convention. I don't see Clinton getting out of the race, even if she is behind going in to the convention. The Clintons, who Obama is running against, think a lot of people owe them political favors when it comes to the super delegates. I even heard they are trying to get Chelsea as a super delegate. How does she qualify? |
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I'm pretty sure Huckabee is trying to milk as many religious conservative votes and delegates as possible before dropping out in order to get a shot at the Veep slot, since McCain doesn't appear to have sufficient appeal in that group. (However, such a pairing would probably not please fiscal conservatives) Also, McCain has severe money-raising difficulties compared to the other candidates (especially Obama), which might make Huckabee's money-raising abilities attractive to the McCain team, should they end up on the same ticket. |
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| Bill | Feb 17 2008, 10:59 AM Post #799 |
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I respect Huckabee's right to stay in the race as long as he wants. He would need a miracle to get the nomination, but he claims to be good with those, so let's see. |
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