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| Bill | Oct 9 2007, 05:00 AM Post #301 |
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Where did I lie? Tell me what I said that wasn't true.
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| fab4fan | Oct 9 2007, 05:34 AM Post #302 |
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C'mon Bill, you're insinuating that Rove was convicted of a crime like Berger was. All of us on here are never going to get anywhere if we refuse to answer each others questions that we don't like. It's a real simple question. What crime was Rove convicted of? I know he's been accused of many. That's politics. You know this is sort of like the O.J. thread. I asked Tony what he thought of the juries in the south that let off people for lynching blacks. If he answered it truthfully his whole argument of why we should get off O. J.'s back would be mute. Instead he implied that I was bringing race into the issue. (thank you for defending me then.) Like Moz used to say let's not get all Bill/MikeMC about this. You're obviously entitled to the last word, I'm just pointing out that your example of comparing/insinuating Rove=Berger is off base. (Sorry about saying lie. Way too strong.) Mr. Lemon, haven't heard from you in awhile. I'm sure you can explain to all of us why it matters that whatever the Examiner is pertains to this convicted felon how? And their political affiliation matters how? How does it change the fact that Hilary is taking advice from a man who stole documents from the National Archives? Not a man accused of the crime, a man convicted of the crime. (actually confessed.) |
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| Bill | Oct 9 2007, 05:47 AM Post #303 |
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I never insinuated Rove was convicted of a crime. I insinuated he committed one. And I answered your question as relevantly as I could. Rove and OJ have the same number of convictions. Despite being found not guilty, the evidence points to OJ being guilty. Likewise, despite not being indicted, the evidence points to Rove being guilty. I am not entitled to the last word but I think that's a pretty fair analogy. If being found not guilty by a jury still isn't enough to make us believe that OJ Simpson and Michael Jackson are innocent, then why shouldn't not being charged be any impediment to my considered opinion that Karl Rove is a crook? I won't insult you by suggesting it's because he's white
but I will suggest it's because he's a Republican.
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| fab4fan | Oct 9 2007, 05:56 AM Post #304 |
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:lol: ! O'Reilly would be proud. |
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| Bill | Oct 9 2007, 06:00 AM Post #305 |
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That doesn't negate my point.
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| Bill | Oct 9 2007, 06:09 AM Post #306 |
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Having said all that, I fully agree that Berger's appointment is a very unwise move by Hillary's campaign. It doesn't bother me too much though because I'm no fan of Hillary. You know what a sexist I am.
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| Adilah | Oct 9 2007, 08:22 AM Post #307 |
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Why would it be a problem if Clinton became president? She is not her husband just as the current president is a far sight from his father. |
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| Bill | Oct 9 2007, 10:49 AM Post #308 |
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My objection to Hillary is that she panders to whoever she is talking to at the time. As far as I can tell, the only thing she stands for is election. As for the Bush/Clinton/Bush/Clinton thing (which I first suggested in mid 2000), people should have taken their chance to break it in 2000. |
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| Deleted User | Oct 9 2007, 06:34 PM Post #309 |
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| Corvair | Oct 9 2007, 11:18 PM Post #310 |
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Just to keep everyone honest, O.J. was indicted in criminal court for double-homicide and acquitted. He was indicted again in civil court for wrongful death and found liable. As someone said, Rove hasn't been indicted for anything. The comparison doesn't seem apt. I'm not clear on why anyone should be outraged if/when Rove joins someone's campaign. Did he pledge never to work again? |
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| JeffLynnesBeard | Oct 9 2007, 11:37 PM Post #311 |
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Obama for President. |
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| Bill | Oct 10 2007, 02:20 AM Post #312 |
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As discussed on another thread which is probably best left alone, being found liable is not the same as being found guilty. Being allowed to amend his testimony to the Plame investigation four or five times in itself looks very bad for him. To think that Rove is innocent of all accusations requires as great a leap of faith as believe that Michael Jackson is not a kiddie fiddler. I certainly wouldn't begrudge Rove a job, but his reason for leaving was that old chestnut, "to spend more time with his family." Joining a campaign, as I predict he will, is not something you do when you want to see any of your family, let alone more of them. We shall see. People are welcome to say they told me so if I'm wrong.
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| ogoble | Oct 10 2007, 03:32 AM Post #313 |
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Joe Walsh for President '08
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| fab4fan | Oct 17 2007, 12:29 PM Post #314 |
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Cheney and Obama are distant cousins: Mrs. Cheney Tue Oct 16, 6:01 PM ET![]() There's no sign of a family reunion planned, but U.S. Vice President Dick Cheney and Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama are distant cousins. So says the vice president's wife, Lynne Cheney, who said she discovered that her husband of 43 years is eighth cousins with the senator from Illinois. The two men could hardly be more different. Cheney is an advocate for pursuing the war in Iraq to try to stabilize the country, while Obama wants to get U.S. troops out of Iraq. Mrs. Cheney told MSNBC on Tuesday that it was "an amazing American story that one ancestor ... could be responsible down the family line for lives that have taken such different and varied paths." The common ancestor was Mareen Devall, who the Chicago Sun-Times said was a 17th century immigrant from France. Mrs. Cheney said she discovered the link through family research for her new book, "Blue Skies, No Fences," about growing up in Wyoming. |
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| Queenbee | Oct 17 2007, 08:02 PM Post #315 |
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I guess that means pot will be legalized. He's one of my top 5. Obama is still my choice, even though Lissa didn't think were ready for a black president. |
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| modgirl1964 | Oct 18 2007, 10:37 PM Post #316 |
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Am I the only one here who's supporting Dennis Kucinich? I thought a lot of our animal lover friends and veggies friends here would support him! He's a liberal's dream! Check him out and vote for him!! Dennis Kucinich's page |
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| JeffLynnesBeard | Oct 18 2007, 10:55 PM Post #317 |
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That's an interesting website for an interesting candidate. Haven't really heard much about him, Bridget. Of course, not being a US citizen, I'm only an interested spectator, but Fiona gets a postal vote, so she would be very interested in anyone who would best represent her views. I don't think he has got much of a chance, though, has he? |
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| modgirl1964 | Oct 18 2007, 10:57 PM Post #318 |
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Pass the cup and he would. Money talks in the elections and if he's got it, maybe. lol. |
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| fab4fan | Oct 19 2007, 12:36 AM Post #319 |
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He could possibly become the Democratic nominee but he could never become President - EVEN IF somehow W were his opponent.
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| BeatleBarb | Oct 19 2007, 02:24 AM Post #320 |
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I very much like Dennis. I just wish he had a chance in hell to win. I've been a long time supporter. |
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| Adilah | Oct 22 2007, 04:58 AM Post #321 |
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He cannot win if the people who support him will not vote for him because they think he cannot win. |
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| BeatleBarb | Oct 22 2007, 03:05 PM Post #322 |
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I know, I know, and I usually don't subscribe to that thinking or practice, but sometimes if feels useless. |
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| modgirl1964 | Oct 23 2007, 12:46 AM Post #323 |
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Very true. As the Irish say, vote early, vote often. |
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| fab4fan | Oct 27 2007, 05:23 AM Post #324 |
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Sorry Bridget & Barb... New Halloween Poll A new poll of Americans finds that 34% believe in ghosts, 19% believe in witches and only 1% believe in Dennis Kucinich.
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| Deleted User | Oct 28 2007, 12:02 AM Post #325 |
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Something to consider. THE DEMOCRATS' HIDDEN TAX PLANS By DICK MORRIS It’s easy to see the disguises that the Democratic Party is planning to do for Halloween. Not this year, but in 2009, after they have elected Hillary as president and as many as 58 Democratic senators. (Possible takeaways in Minnesota, New Hampshire, Maine, Oregon, Virginia, Nebraska, Colorado and New Mexico.) While we can only speculate on the taxes they are planning to increase — “everything” would be a safe bet — it is becoming clear how they will dress the tax increases up to make the radical change they will, in fact, represent seem moderate and reasonable, even necessary to protect the “middle class.” Put the pieces together: Why are the Democrats adopting a one-year patch for the Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT) rather than a long-term fix? And why are liberal leaders like Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) opposing closing the loophole that protects private equity hedge funds? And why is Ways and Means Committee Chairman Charles Rangel (D-N.Y.) pushing for a broad-based fix closing capital gains treatment for all partnerships, not just for hedge funds, even though he must realize that such broad-based reform can’t pass? And why did Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) and other Democratic leaders hail the action of the Budget Committee as representing a tax cut when all it did was to include in its long-range plans the renewal of some, but scarcely all, of the Bush tax cuts that will sunset in the next four years? The answer is that the party is concocting an elaborate costume with which to disguise its coming mammoth tax increases. Once the Democrats firmly control both ends of Pennsylvania Avenue, they will probably: Raise the top bracket on the income tax back up to 40 percent from its current 35 percent. Increase the Capital Gains Tax from its current 15 percent to 30 percent or, perhaps, eliminate it entirely and tax these gains as ordinary income (at 40 percent). Double, triple or perhaps eliminate the ceiling on FICA taxes so that instead of taxing only the first $99,000 of income, the levy covers a much higher portion of earned income. Repeal much of the rollback in estate taxes passed by Bush. The combined effect of these increases will be horrific, and will probably trigger a recession. As Election Day 2008 nears, it is easy to anticipate massive sell-offs of stocks and real estate in anticipation of a Democratic increase in capital gains rates. So, to induce America to swallow their tax poison, the Democrats understand the need to camouflage their intentions and hide them in the rhetoric of middle-class tax cuts. So here’s what they’ll do. They will bill their tax increases as a middle-class tax cut by including in the calculation the Bush middle-class tax cuts, which they will not permit to sunset, and also by taking credit for a long-term fix of the AMT. Together, the sums “saved” by these “tax cuts” will be gigantic, at least on paper, and will permit them to call their revenue-raising leviathan a tax reduction. Of course, no actual middle-class human being will see his or her taxes cut. The Bush tax cuts will just continue and the theoretical harm of the AMT will be averted. Then they will repeal the carried interest exemption on all partnerships (real estate and energy as well as private equity) and will hold up the massive and obscene earnings of hedge fund managers and their unjustifiable tax preferences as the poster child for their tax increases. They will feature Blackstone and its billion-dollar executives as the targets of their tax increases. All of this camouflage will fool enough people to get the votes in a Democratic Congress to pass their tax program. But once the increases start being felt on tax day, it will be a different story. But, by then, it will be too late. Halloween will be every day. |
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| modgirl1964 | Oct 28 2007, 12:37 PM Post #326 |
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Smartass. That's why I'm starting to look at John Edwards now, yeah, I know he looks like a used car salesman, but he's got some great views. Better than the ice queen, that's for sure. |
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| Bill | Oct 28 2007, 01:54 PM Post #327 |
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So there are more Republican candidates who don't believe in evolution than there are Americans who believe in witches. Glass houses!
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| BeatleBarb | Oct 28 2007, 04:25 PM Post #328 |
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Yep.....only in America! |
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| maccascruff | Oct 28 2007, 06:43 PM Post #329 |
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I'm an Obama supporter and will be going to our caucus to stand in the corner come February. |
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| beatlechick | Oct 28 2007, 06:45 PM Post #330 |
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Good for you, Linda. I, too am a Obama supporter and we vote in our state's primary in February. Dan, the scaremongering has to stop. For most of this nation right now HALLOWEEN (damn I hate insulting the best day of the year though) IS ALREADY EVERYDAY! It has been since November, 2000. |
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| maccascruff | Oct 29 2007, 01:55 AM Post #331 |
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It has been overly scary since November 2000. We don't have a primary. We have caucuses and the Obama people told me that all I have to do do is go stand in the Obama corner. They will have a precient captain to do all the talking. I just want to try to make a difference. I will vote for the party's candidate. I also live in a liberal part of the state and we may just get Obama votes from here. And there does need to be a fix for the AMT and a few other things for 2007. A lot of the other proposals will never see the light of day. |
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| Corvair | Oct 29 2007, 04:20 PM Post #332 |
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Dick Morris is a very interesting guy to listen to, but I sure hope his crystal ball is wrong. |
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| Queenbee | Oct 29 2007, 07:38 PM Post #333 |
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I too have been an Obama supporter from the beginning. I know I will never support Hilary. I want someone who has integrity. I know he doesn't have a lot of experience as far as being a senator for years. But look at the men who have been president, with tons of experience and haven't done such a wonderful job. I'm curious to see who Colin Powell supports. |
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| MannyDavvi | Oct 29 2007, 08:21 PM Post #334 |
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Ron Paul's my dog, he won't win, but still, I like the guy |
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| Corvair | Oct 29 2007, 10:07 PM Post #335 |
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You have said a whole lot in just those two lines! |
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| beatlechick | Oct 30 2007, 12:50 AM Post #336 |
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Amen to that Judy! I have been in Obama's corner since the 2004 Democratic Convention. I know of some Republicans he scares because they like him and wish he were Republican. I can't wait to cast my primary vote in February. This race is going to be interesting to say the least. |
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| modgirl1964 | Oct 30 2007, 10:40 AM Post #337 |
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I don't really get what he stands for, honestly. To me, it feels he's the poster boy of the Demoratic Party and people are finding it fashionable to support him or Hillary. When I hear Obama speak, I hear hardly anything he truly stands for or what he really intends to do, just things that sound good to the American public. I truly think he's a frontrunner (and please do not think I'm being racist, because I'm not) is because he's an African American. How many of you, besides those who live in IL, had really heard of him and knew what he voted for until the race for the campagins began? And be honest. |
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| Bill | Oct 30 2007, 11:06 AM Post #338 |
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What I hear is that he stands for a move away from the failed policies and assumptions (like the one that countries like Syria actually give a sh*t if America doesn't talk to them) of the past whereas Hillary, for example, just wants to make them all again in her own way. |
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| fab4fan | Nov 8 2007, 05:56 AM Post #339 |
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Here we are 2 months before any votes are cast and its been decided that its Hillary against Giuliani. Do people who want a democrat really believe that Hillary has a chance in hell of becoming president? I think you will all be shocked when the exit polling says that republicans don't care about gay marriage, abortion, divorces and such as much as they care about safety and not getting taxed to death. Think we might see a few commercials about drivers licenses for illegals? By the way, Republicans are not against immigration either. |
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| Bill | Nov 8 2007, 07:01 AM Post #340 |
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Oh really? Who decided it? Hillary has far more chance than she deserves. Are these the same Republicans who were blathering on about "San Francisco values" twelve months ago? Rudy? If he gets the nomination, you're going to see a whole lot of social conservatives backing a third party candidate which will split the conservative vote and hand the election to the Dems on a plate just like Perot did in 92. Meanwhile, Pat Robertson's endorsement of Rudy Guiliani - who supports gay rights, divorce, abortion and rationalises torture - just goes to show what a vile bunch of hateful hypocrites Robertson (who claimed God sent Sept 11 as punishment for America tolerating homosexuality... or something) and his cronies really are. Voters of any persuasion would do well to run a mile from the man who put the emergency control centre INSIDE the World Trade Centre AFTER is had already been attacked once and against the advice of the man who he now blames that decision on. Just saying "nine eleven" is NOT a policy. |
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| fab4fan | Dec 5 2007, 03:11 PM Post #341 |
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What passes for news.
Hilary drops Celine Dion theme song! No big deal to me, as long as we don't get Streisand now.
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| Adilah | Dec 7 2007, 04:46 AM Post #342 |
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At least something good has come of it. |
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| Bill | Dec 21 2007, 01:22 PM Post #343 |
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| beatlechick | Dec 22 2007, 07:15 AM Post #344 |
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I heard he said that. Just about crashed my car laughing. Bridget, I have known a little bit more about Obama even before the campaign started and I live in California, a state where even our Republican governor is getting angry at his own party for not allowing California to go the extra mile in going green. I don't care what color his skin is. If I was going after Obama because he is black, I would more go for Hillary because she is a woman. As much as I liked her husband, I don't want more of the same. She really has no more experience than Obama does (sorry but Bill Richardson, Chris Dodd, Dennis Kucinich, and I can't remember the older gentlemen's name has more experience but I am not voting for them) like she says she has. I do have some issues with Obama but far less than I do with Hillary. |
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| doris mendlovitz | Dec 22 2007, 08:02 AM Post #345 |
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I am praying and hoping we get a complete change of leadership. I am betting that this time around the Democrats will be in office . ONe of these days maybe we will have our constitutional rights restored. love doris |
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| beatlechick | Dec 22 2007, 08:59 AM Post #347 |
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Wouldn't that be nice!?! |
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That would be nice.. actually. |
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| Bill | Dec 24 2007, 03:15 AM Post #349 |
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Hillary says Get the sex out of violence! http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2007/12/c...on-would-c.html |
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| fab4fan | Jan 2 2008, 04:20 PM Post #350 |
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Biden highlights Clinton Pakistan gaffe Posted: 10:30 AM ET Biden got tough on Clinton over her recent comments on Pakistan. (CNN) — Democrat Joe Biden suggested Tuesday that presidential rival Hillary Clinton doesn't adequately understand recent events in Pakistan. The Delaware senator was responding to news that Clinton suggested in two recent interviews that Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf is up for reelection this month. Musharraf was actually reelected in October, and the upcoming Pakistani elections are parliamentary, not presidential. "We have a number of candidates who are well-intentioned but don't understand Pakistan," Biden said at a campaign event Tuesday. "One of the leading candidates — God love her." "There are good people running," continued the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, who has made his foreign policy credentials a centerpiece of his long shot presidential bid. "But to say Musharraf is up for election! Musharraf was elected — fairly or unfairly — president six months ago. It's about a parliamentary election!" Clinton's comments came in an interview with ABC Sunday, in which she said, "[Musharraf] could be the only person on the ballot. I don't think that's a real election." The New York senator also made similar comments during an interview with CNN's Wolf Blitzer last week, saying then, ""If President Musharraf wishes to stand for election, then he should abide by the same rules that every other candidate will have to follow." Both gaffes were first noted by conservative Thomas Houlahan, writing for the Middle East Times. The Clinton campaign has not yet returned a request for comment on Biden's comments, but said yesterday the New York Democrat was referring to Musharraf's party, not himself in particular. Republican Mike Huckabee took heat last week for also getting key facts about Pakistan wrong in the aftermath of Benazir Bhutto's death. He first suggested the country remained under martial law (it was lifted a few weeks ago) and later said that Pakistan shares its eastern border with Afghanistan (it shares its western border.) |
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| maccascruff | Jan 4 2008, 02:22 PM Post #351 |
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I was busy last night watching the caucuses in Iowa. Winners: Obama and Huckabee Go Obama! My sister went to her local caucus and switched from the Republicans to the Democrats. That is the way it works in Iowa. She and my two nephews supported Obama. One nephew is a state delegate and she is an alternate. Hubby supports Huckabee. They must be having some interesting discussions in that household.
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| BeatleBarb | Jan 4 2008, 05:16 PM Post #352 |
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Was very impressed by Edwards' speech and thrilled seeing Obama and his family standing so proudly. |
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| fab4fan | Jan 6 2008, 05:37 AM Post #353 |
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There is hope for our country! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Apv5KWHgXTE |
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| fab4fan | Jan 6 2008, 05:41 AM Post #354 |
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Barb, not trying to start a fight - when I see John Edwards I can't get past my first impression of him - the dreaded "ambulance chaser." The problem may be all in my head, like most usually are, but it is what it is. |
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| MaccasGirl | Jan 6 2008, 05:44 AM Post #355 |
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My husband was saying the same thing! I mean as far as the 'ambulance chaser.'
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Well yeah, it's hard to shake the ambulance chaser image, but I've never been big on Edwards - he voted for the war and the Patriot Act, but at least he admitted it was a mistake. As speeches go, I was impressed and moved. Of course, these are just words and election rhetoric that we've heard before. While I'm really for Kucinich, at least Edwards has said he would pull out of Iraq within a year, unlike Obama and Clinton. |
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| Bill | Jan 6 2008, 06:09 AM Post #358 |
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Is that because they're swinging away from Hillary or towards Obama or both? Just curious.
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| fab4fan | Jan 6 2008, 06:13 AM Post #359 |
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For me it's both. |
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| Nick2006 | Jan 6 2008, 06:14 AM Post #360 |
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I'm impressed by Obama |
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| BeatleBarb | Jan 6 2008, 06:19 AM Post #361 |
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I am too, Nick, but I want to be more than impressed. |
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| Bill | Jan 6 2008, 01:02 PM Post #362 |
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It's somewhat unfortunate that the mere fact of being a plaintiff attorney makes people assume a person is fundamentally bad. It's not the most honourable profession, but like mechanics and undertakers, nobody likes them until they need one. I don't think it's any worse than being a war profiteer though. Compared to a serial business failure who always managed to be bailed out by dodgy Arabs, I'll take the ambulance chaser. I've said before that so long as it doesn't come down to Rudy and Hillary, then things will get better. Huckabee and Romney scare me a little bit but not as much as the other two. I think Huckabee is basically a good man with bad judgement. Can we please have just one candidate who doesn't drag the press out on some lame hunting trip? And what's with hanging around Chuck Norris? Are they going to come out on the season finale? Romney lost me when he claimed that his sons were serving their country as much as soldiers in Iraq by campaigning for him. I know he's withdrawn it since but it hardly matters. If he thinks the two things are comparable, then he is completely out of touch. If he doesn't, then he should have known better than to try and spin his way out of it. I'm sorry Chris Dodd is out of the race. While his colleagues were gallivanting around saying they would stand up for people, Dodd went back to Washington and actually did it. |
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| Beatlesaholic | Jan 6 2008, 05:55 PM Post #364 |
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| maccascruff | Jan 6 2008, 05:59 PM Post #365 |
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I will be going to the grand opening of the Obama campaign headquarters here on Thursday evening. Going to work for my man to win the Colorado caucus on February 5. Please don't let the election come down to Rudy and Hillary or it will be the same old, same old. |
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| beatlechick | Jan 6 2008, 07:17 PM Post #366 |
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Good for you, Linda. Don't know where our campaign headquarters will be but I have supported that man since 2004. |
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| fab4fan | Jan 7 2008, 04:55 PM Post #367 |
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| MaccasGirl | Jan 7 2008, 05:55 PM Post #368 |
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Someone sent this to my husband. I know the whole muslim issue has been discussed here before. What are your thoughts about this? Subject: Obama's church Obama's church This is quite an eye opener. surf through and open links as you choose! Obama mentioned his church during his appearance with Oprah. It's the Trinity Church of Christ. I found this interesting. Obama's church: Please read and go to this church's website and read what is written there. It is very alarming. Barack Obama is a member of this church and is running for President of the U.S. If you look at the first page of their website, you will learn that this congregation has a non-negotiable commitment to Africa. No where is AMERICA even mentioned. Notice too, what color you will need to be if you should want to join Obama's church... B-L-A-C-K!!! Doesn't look like his choice of religion has improved much over his (former?) Muslim upbringing. Strip away his nice looks, the big smile and smooth talk and what do you get? Certainly a racist, as plainly defined by the stated position of his church! And possibly a covert worshiper of the Muslim faith, even today. This guy desires to rule over America while his loyalty is totally vested in a Black Africa! I cannot believe this has not been all over the TV and newspapers. This is why it is so important to pass this message along to all of our family & friends. To think that Obama has even the slightest chance in the run for the presidency, is really scary. Click on the link below: This is the web page for the church Barack Obama belongs to: www.tucc.org/about.htm <<<<<< open -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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| Bag O' Nails | Jan 7 2008, 08:06 PM Post #369 |
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Please expound. |
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| DCBeatle64 | Jan 7 2008, 11:12 PM Post #370 |
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Obama is kind of reminding me of early Blair for some reason |
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| BeatleBarb | Jan 8 2008, 02:27 AM Post #371 |
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I'm really interested in knowing something and should probably start a poll, but I don't know how. Anyway, regarding the U.S. election, in terms of the candidate's position, are you more concerned with the economy or the Iraq war? |
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| Bill | Jan 8 2008, 02:49 AM Post #372 |
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A complete hatchet job which, like the phoney "madrassa" story has already been debunked. What's this about about "not improved much"? That in itself is a deeply bigoted statement. Read the constitution. It's very clear about there being NO religious test for office. Romney's religion only stopped being officially racist in 1978 but the question is what relevance that has to his ability to be president. EDIT: http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/t/tri...h-of-christ.htm
He's a nice person and has good values. But what the hell is with the man-date with Chuck Norris? Is that supposed to impress people? His lack of knowledge of the situation in Pakistan does not reflect well on him (the same goes for Hillary) and his publication of his non-publication of the attack ad on Romney was just pissweak. That's what we would call a "Clayton's" attack; the attack you have when you're not having an attack. He wants to have it both ways and he can't. You either attack or you shut up. I have nothing against the man, I just don't think he's up to the job. Not everyone is. |
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| Bill | Jan 8 2008, 02:54 AM Post #373 |
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Whilst I agree with the sentiment, a reputable newspaper should not be editorialising and/or sloganeering on a front page headline. One for The Media Bias Files perhaps?
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| beatlechick | Jan 8 2008, 04:07 AM Post #374 |
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Diane, I agree with what Bill said. I think it is crap and a bad hatchet job. FYI, here is their mission statement trinity united church of christ:
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| Bag O' Nails | Jan 8 2008, 04:13 AM Post #375 |
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Both are big problems; I can't choose.
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| Bag O' Nails | Jan 8 2008, 04:19 AM Post #376 |
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I'm not sure what to think of their "Black Value System." http://www.tucc.org/black_value_system.html |
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| Bill | Jan 8 2008, 04:29 AM Post #377 |
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Remove the word "black" and it looks excellent to me. Is everyone equally concerned about the more dubious aspects of Huckabee's and Romney's religions? Do we assume that everyone is bound completely by their place of worship, despite the obvious gulf between creed and action on the part of so many politicians?
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| Bill | Jan 8 2008, 04:33 AM Post #378 |
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Be afraid!
http://www.wired.com/politics/law/news/200...gging_elections |
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| Bag O' Nails | Jan 8 2008, 04:47 AM Post #379 |
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This is a complicated issue and why I believe that a person's religious beliefs, despite what many say, is an integral part of that person & influences decisions. If, for example, there was an Orthodox Jew or a practicing Muslim in the White House, don't you think that their beliefs would influence their decisions? I believe it to be the same if that person was a Mormon, an Evangelical, a Buddhist or an athiest. Now if I address Obama in this same light, then I would say that his religion would most definitely affect his thoughts and actions. You may be interested to know that his church's magazine, "Trumpet News Magazine," highlighted and highly praised Minister Louis Farrakhan, and frankly, that scares the living hell out of me!!!! http://www.trumpetmag.com/pdf/nov_dec_feature.pdf |
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| Bill | Jan 8 2008, 05:09 AM Post #380 |
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That verbal fellating of Farrakhan is certainly embarrassing but what's it got to do with Obama? Is it a six-degrees-of-separation thing? Does the fact that racist website "Stormfront" also claims to be Christian thereby label all Christians as racist? Naturally, everyone has the right to choose their candidate by whatever criteria they feel is relevant. But let's be consistent. The Church of Latter Day Saints was overtly racist, claiming that people were turned black when they turned away from God, right up until 1978 and one can only wonder at why they changed. The proud Mormon, Romney was an adult then. Was he also a racist? That's a horribly unfair question, but no more unfair than those now being asked about Obama. I have nothing against Mormons. All the ones I've met have been lovely people. But some of the dogma associated with the religion is downright creepy. However, that's only telling half the story. Because you can say the same thing about just about any religion, including my own. My point is that this is very selective suspicion. If creepy stuff in the fine print of his religion makes Obama a worrying prospect, then the same principle must apply to Romney. One can only wonder why the same suspicion has not been applied to Romney here. Is it because he is white? Or Republican? I'm just asking.
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| Adilah | Jan 8 2008, 05:21 AM Post #381 |
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| Adilah | Jan 8 2008, 05:23 AM Post #382 |
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I would hope so. The U.S.A. could use a little divine peace & love. |
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| BeatleBarb | Jan 8 2008, 05:45 AM Post #383 |
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Touche'. Ain't that the truth. |
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| beatlechick | Jan 8 2008, 06:58 AM Post #384 |
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I'll go one more step from what Bill said. Remove the word black and replace it with human, any ethnicity, any sex, any religion. If I'm not mistaken the AME churches are similar in wanting to embrace their African roots and wanting to accentuate black values yet many white people are congregants of these Churches and many ethnic people be they lay people, politicians, or just regular citizens also align themselves with them. Whenever there is civil unrest, who are the first people to help settle the unrest? To start the healing process? Again, I see nothing where a politician needs to be religious. They need to have faith and follow the letters of the law as set forth by the gov't and its' people. When did you last see a President of the US do just that? |
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| Bag O' Nails | Jan 8 2008, 07:19 AM Post #385 |
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Yes it could. Just enforces my thoughts that you can't "not" mix politics and religion. |
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| Bag O' Nails | Jan 8 2008, 07:28 AM Post #386 |
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I think it's very hard to replace the word "black" with just anything else. What if it was an Asian man running and he belonged to a Chinese church and was wanting to promote the Chinese man in this country? Would you feel the same? It's an honest question and I'm not trying to bait you by saying you would favor one over the other race; but I'm trying to make a point that race and religion are important aspects to a presidential candidate. I agree they don't need to be religious, but if they are...and whatever that religion may be...it does influence them and I would even suggest that influences them greatly! |
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| Bill | Jan 8 2008, 12:46 PM Post #387 |
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Well here's something else to consider: I don't think churches update their mission statements all that often. I don't mind admitting that I find some of the things in that statement somewhat redundant in 2007 but they would have been far more relevant 50, 40, even 30 years ago. So to all the church-goers here, how recently was your church's mission statement updated? Do you even know if it has one? And if all parishioners are answerable for the mission statements of their chosen house of worship, then let's publish them for Edwards, Romney, McCain, Clinton, Guiliani and Pastor Huckabee. That would be fair wouldn't it? Why just pick on Obama? Why even go digging? I mean, for pity's sake, if a serial adulterer and abortion supporter like Guiliani can get Pat Robertson's endorsement, why all this nitpicking about Obama? Scepticism about candidates is a good thing, but let's keep it consistent. |
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| MarthamyDear | Jan 8 2008, 02:52 PM Post #388 |
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Well............I'm heading out the door to cast my vote. It's pretty crazy here every 4 yrs. in New Hampshire, but this year it's especially intense
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| fab4fan | Jan 8 2008, 02:59 PM Post #389 |
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Barack Obama "hasn't done the spadework necessary to be president." __Hilary Clinton, Jan 7, 2008 on the Today show with Matt Lauer. Race card anyone? |
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| fab4fan | Jan 8 2008, 03:24 PM Post #390 |
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Quarterback for the Packers... --------------------------------------- **In a news conference Deanna Favre announced she will be the starting QB for the Packers this coming Sunday. Deanna asserts that she is qualified to be starting QB because she has spent the past 16 years married to Brett while he played QB for the Packers. During this period of time she became familiar with the definition of a 'corner blitz', and is now completely comfortable with other terminology of the Packers offense. A survey of Packers fans shows that 50% of those polled supported the move. ** *Does this sounds idiotic and unbelievable to you? Well, Hillary Clinton makes the same claims as to why she is qualified to be President, and 50% of democrats polled agreed. She has never run a City, County, or State. * **When told Hillary Clinton has experience because she has 8 years in the white house, Dick Morris stated "so has the pastry chef ". ** |
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| Bill | Jan 8 2008, 03:34 PM Post #391 |
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I don't think it's a valid analogy. My opinion of Hillary is well known but being around the action, you DO pick up things; things that you don't pick up in the kitchen. And since being president isn't actually a physical job (ask Roosevelt), the football comparison doesn't really stand up because Mrs Footballer will come out with a much better understanding of tactics and strategy even if she can't run across the field as fast. |
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| MarthamyDear | Jan 8 2008, 08:23 PM Post #392 |
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As far as Hillary goes............Nepotism doesn't equal experience.........and she's been touting "35 yrs. of experience"..........what??????how????where??? She didnt' have security clearances while First Lady either.........so not sure just how much she picked up. Guess it's easy to see who I didn't vote for today
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| Bag O' Nails | Jan 8 2008, 10:01 PM Post #393 |
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I think that anyone and everyone's religious beliefs, just not Obama's, will be investigated and questioned. It's just "his turn" because he won Iowa. So to be fair, for a starter, here is "Pastor" Huckabee's church: http://www.churchatrockcreek.org/ |
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| maccascruff | Jan 9 2008, 01:58 AM Post #394 |
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I can't believe that email about Obama is making the rounds on the internet. That is just plain racist. |
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| beatlechick | Jan 9 2008, 02:14 AM Post #395 |
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Actually you can take out Black and replace it with any race, ethnicity, and sex. If an Asian were running, I do live in California and we have had many Asians run for office, I would have no problem with them promoting themselves and their race. Where I live it is highly multi-ethnic and you either have to live with it or not which is an advantage to living in and around Los Angeles. I choose to do the so-called "Christian" thing and accept other ethnic groups promoting themselves as the Anglo-Saxon people have done through centuries. Bill, my Church does update their Mission Statement every 2-5 years. It is done through the Congregation and can only be put out in public after a Congregational vote. Here it is, short and to the point: St. Matthews Lutheran Church
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| Bill | Jan 9 2008, 03:00 AM Post #396 |
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Now that, I fully agree with. I'm no Hillary fan but my point was that criticism of her should be valid. I think every First Lady knows and sees a lot more than she ever lets on. There is always pillow talk.... then again, with Bill and Hillary..... :lol:
Well, I'll be very interested to see if they're investigated with as much vigour as Obama's and, to be fair, Romney's. This latest attack email dates back to before Iowa. I'll also be interested to see who is doing the investigating and why. Like I said, everyone has the right to make their decision on whatever criteria they see as relevant, but when political groups start doing so on behalf of opposing candidates, that could be seen as unconstitutional. Thanks for the link. I could single out the vulgarity of comparing religious education to a baseball career but that would be unworthy because aside from that, it's all stuff that I can get behind. Thanks Cathy too.
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| Bag O' Nails | Jan 9 2008, 04:13 AM Post #397 |
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Cathy, I hope you don't think I'm against Obama because of his religious beliefs or his ethnicity. I don't feel a person should or shouldn't be voted in as president strictly because of either of these things, although IMHO they do play a part as people are multi-faceted. I am a conservative and generally speaking, vote as such. |
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| fab4fan | Jan 9 2008, 04:32 AM Post #398 |
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ARGHH!!!! DAMN!!! |
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| beatlechick | Jan 9 2008, 06:05 AM Post #399 |
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I would hope you don't but when someone plays the race card against someone they don't know, or anyone for that matter, it makes me wonder. Just found out today that Obama found out that he has a cousin in Kenya who was running in the past election as a part of the opposition. Obama called to talk to someone to see if there was anything he could do to quell the violence and help people get a better understanding on how democratic elections should take place. That was when he found out that his cousin, guessing a distant cousin, ran in that very election. John, don't get to angry. This was only the second election. Many more to come. |
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| maccascruff | Jan 9 2008, 02:17 PM Post #400 |
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And both Clinton and Obama got 9 delegates from NH. I'm now a precinct captain in the red town I live in presently. Don't know if I will be the only one at the caucus or not. |
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