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2008 U.S. Presidential Election
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I never made fun of Palin's spelling, but I did of her pronunciation. I would do it again if she runs for national office. It is one of many things she needs to learn--along with foreign policy.
Would it be fair to mock her not knowing who the partied of NAFTA are?

North American Free Trade Agreement - how many could there be?
Yes and that she didn't know that Africa was a continent, not a country.
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I've traveled overseas wishing that I didn't have an American passport or accent because I was embarrassed.
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Sorry, I simply cannot understand that mentality. :no: Just because I may not have liked or agreed with everything the current administration did has no bearing on my American pride!
I think there might be some confusion here between pride in being American and pride in America.

Linda, you should never be ashamed to be an American no matter how ashamed you may be of America's behaviour.
There is a distinction and most of us furreners are sophisticated enough to get it. ;)

I may have been ashamed of John Howard, but it never made me ashamed to be Australian. I was proud of the opportunity afforded by places like this and the Maccaboard to explain that the little dweeb didn't speak for all of us and none of us hold the Bush administration against Americans at large. Politics should never be personal.

Remember that those who are remembered as the greatest patriots of all are not the ones who said, "my country, right or wrong." They're the ones who said, "My country IS wrong and now we're going to put it right!"

There's nothing unpatriotic about any American holding their head a little higher this week.
This is a much better way of saying what I was meaning to say. Thanks, Bill.
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Nov 7 2008, 02:18 AM
And should the government have any say in it either way? ;)
Good point. I guess the only reason the gov't is involved in marriage at all is because of tax benefits?
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I never made fun of Palin's spelling, but I did of her pronunciation. I would do it again if she runs for national office. It is one of many things she needs to learn--along with foreign policy.
She has an accent...so why make fun of it?

She's a smart woman; give her a little time...she'll learn faster than you think. ;)
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I've traveled overseas wishing that I didn't have an American passport or accent because I was embarrassed.
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Sorry, I simply cannot understand that mentality. :no: Just because I may not have liked or agreed with everything the current administration did has no bearing on my American pride!
I think there might be some confusion here between pride in being American and pride in America.

Linda, you should never be ashamed to be an American no matter how ashamed you may be of America's behaviour.
There is a distinction and most of us furreners are sophisticated enough to get it. ;)

I may have been ashamed of John Howard, but it never made me ashamed to be Australian. I was proud of the opportunity afforded by places like this and the Maccaboard to explain that the little dweeb didn't speak for all of us and none of us hold the Bush administration against Americans at large. Politics should never be personal.



It wasn't presented that way, but if this is what Lapis and Linda meant, then I understand.


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There's nothing unpatriotic about any American holding their head a little higher this week.
No, there isn't anything unpatriotic about that at all! The 64 million people who voted for Obama should be very happy! As for the rest of the 57 million of us, you understand why we don't feel as happy... ;)
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And should the government have any say in it either way? ;)
Good point. I guess the only reason the gov't is involved in marriage at all is because of tax benefits?
Well, let me first say I know some gay couples that are a lot more stable than a lot of hetero couples.

But, yes, the government has a keen interest because gay marriage will involve taxes and employment benefits, parenting issues, divorce issues, adoption issues, and a whole host of domestic law that will have to also be sorted out through legislation and courts. Frankly, I could make a fortune.
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I've traveled overseas wishing that I didn't have an American passport or accent because I was embarrassed.
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Sorry, I simply cannot understand that mentality. :no: Just because I may not have liked or agreed with everything the current administration did has no bearing on my American pride!
I think there might be some confusion here between pride in being American and pride in America.

Linda, you should never be ashamed to be an American no matter how ashamed you may be of America's behaviour.
There is a distinction and most of us furreners are sophisticated enough to get it. ;)

I may have been ashamed of John Howard, but it never made me ashamed to be Australian. I was proud of the opportunity afforded by places like this and the Maccaboard to explain that the little dweeb didn't speak for all of us and none of us hold the Bush administration against Americans at large. Politics should never be personal.
It wasn't presented that way, but if this is what Lapis and Linda meant, then I understand.

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There's nothing unpatriotic about any American holding their head a little higher this week.
No, there isn't anything unpatriotic about that at all! The 64 million people who voted for Obama should be very happy! As for the rest of the 57 million of us, you understand why we don't feel as happy... ;)
Maybe it was wrong for me to say it, but I felt somewhat ashamed to be an American because of the way our country has acted towards other countries over the past eight years. I felt a lot of negativity was being directed towards ALL Americans as a result of the current administration. I feel much better about it now though.
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All I can say is I am so glad to see this election resolved and the turnout the way it is
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Nov 7 2008, 02:03 AM
Just asking. Has marriage between members of the same sex ever been accepted by any society anywhere in time anywhere in the world? And what about civil unions as an alternative?
Marriages between gay people were perfectly legal throughout Asia, Africa and Europe before the Catholic Church began their quest for world domination. Right now it's legal in South Afrika, Canada and some European countries. Israel recognises such marriages performed in other countries.
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I wish New York would legalize gay marriage. I know NY recognizes gay couples who got married in other areas. Governor Patterson seems to be for gay marriage, from what I have read and heard. I'm just wondering if the rest of the state would feel the same. :-/
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Just asking. Has marriage between members of the same sex ever been accepted by any society anywhere in time anywhere in the world? And what about civil unions as an alternative?
Marriages between gay people were perfectly legal throughout Asia, Africa and Europe before the Catholic Church began their quest for world domination. Right now it's legal in South Afrika, Canada and some European countries. Israel recognises such marriages performed in other countries.
Gay marriage is legal in the UK.
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I wish New York would legalize gay marriage. I know NY recognizes gay couples who got married in other areas. Governor Patterson seems to be for gay marriage, from what I have read and heard. I'm just wondering if the rest of the state would feel the same. :-/
At the risk of repeating myself, I think people are thinking too small. For gay marriage to be completely recognised, it has to happen at a national level, not at a state level, so that individual states cannot opt out or in.

I see it as a human rights and equality issue and therefore it could be argued that denying gay couples the right to marry is a matter of upholding the constitution and should be dealt with in the Supreme court.
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Andy, I agree with you, but the majority of religious people wouldn't agree. Most, not all, wouldn't think it was a human right to deny homosexuals the right to marry. In their minds marriage is a *grown* religious word. I still say if that's the case, then those who don't get married in churches aren't really married either. Only those who get married in churches in the sight of God are truly married. (In their eyes, not mine.)
I take this subject of gay marriage to heart, because as I said before, I have a close family friend who would love to get married, but can't.
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Just asking. Has marriage between members of the same sex ever been accepted by any society anywhere in time anywhere in the world? And what about civil unions as an alternative?
Marriages between gay people were perfectly legal throughout Asia, Africa and Europe before the Catholic Church began their quest for world domination. Right now it's legal in South Afrika, Canada and some European countries. Israel recognises such marriages performed in other countries.
Gay marriage is legal in the UK.
I didn't know about the past legality. It is an evolving constitutional as well as state issue in the US.
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It gives me chills.
Great videos here!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jll5baCAaQU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfHbw3n0EIM
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People here have wondered why we feel so proud now that President-Elect Barack Obama won the election. Take it from an American who has always been a proud American but not so proud of where the country had been turning. This short clip really illustrates why I feel so damned proud right now. This clip was very emotional for me and probably is for others as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxCFLl-S4co
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These are from The View on their hot topics on 11/5/08:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbS_wHg-wvQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOVFiP4Pg5o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGAcoVgXfJY

and last but not least:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cs5kM7mkyYw
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Here's how it was shown on Comedy Central with Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert

43.06 minutes into the video shows the best moment on tv. To hear the audience going nuts, and the cheering in our living room was something to hear. To see Jon Stewart get fairly emotional was was cool.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-episodes/index.jhtml?episodeId=209493

"So this is what the world looks like after Pres. Bush. Actually Bush is President for another 2 1/2 months. " Great ending!
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I keep going to this site. It still doesn't seem real.
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It gives me chills.
Me, too. :pinch:
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I keep going to this site. It still doesn't seem real.
I know what you mean. I still smile when I think about election night.
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And sometimes the tears start to fall again. They are happy tears.
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How sad it is that some writers have to process it that way.

The election of George W Bush did not turn everyone into an evangelical, nor did it render Congressional Bible groups irrelevant.
Likewise, the election of Barack Obama will not flick the "off" switch on racism, much as we would hope it might. Belligerent attitudes like the one expressed in that article will ensure that racial schisms continue.
Would this author be saying "feminists go home, Steinem shut up!" if Hillary Clinton or Sarah Palin had been elected?

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I'm feeling a little "uppity," if you will.

Sorry, I won't.
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Although Bill expressed himself in a more eloquent way, I will be less dignified and say this - the writer of that article is a complete and utter moron.

Barack's election is a huge step towards equality but as far as wiping the slate clean, I think that it is just a small part of the process.
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Racism is still raising it's ugly head--even since the election of Barack Obama.
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90% of African Americans voted for Barack Obama.

The majority of White Americans voted for John McCain.

What does that tell you?
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Although Bill expressed himself in a more eloquent way, I will be less dignified and say this - the writer of that article is a complete and utter moron.

Barack's election is a huge step towards equality but as far as wiping the slate clean, I think that it is just a small part of the process.
And this quote from him does him no favors:

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Obama's ascension also creates another gargantuan irony. How can liberals sell American racism, class envy and unfairness when our new black president and his wife went to Ivy League schools, got high-paying jobs, became millionaires, bought a mansion, and are now moving to the White House? How unfair is that? Now, like a delicious O. Henry tale, Obama's spread-the-wealth campaign rendered itself moot by its own victory! America is officially a meritocracy. Obama's election has validated American conservatism.


Considering that both of them rode no coattails (GWB?) and had to scratch their way to where they are (GWB????NO!), where his community organizing jobs weren't high paying (and was something he used very well in this campaign), and Michelle Obama living with her family in a one "bedroom" (living room divided) apartment in Chicago's South Shore (her mother still lives there but will be with the Obama's in the White House) says that life wasn't all that easy or rosy.

What a moron this author is. A plain out and out moron. And and uppity one at that. Just because Obama has been elected does not wash away the pains of racism. Hardly!

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Nov 12 2008, 02:27 AM
Racism is still raising it's ugly head--even since the election of Barack Obama.
And gun sales have gone up, which scares the hell out of me.
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Thank you, Linda! As one who has seen waaaaaaay to much racism, especially on one side of my family, and been some of the brunt of it from that side I can tell you that this election only helps eracism but only by a little.
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90% of African Americans voted for Barack Obama.

The majority of White Americans voted for John McCain.

What does that tell you?
That they're all racist?

That there are dodgy statistics floating around?

That racial profiling is evil?
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Those are Gov't statistics, by the way, but - of course - can only be considered accurate if you were to believe everyone's responses to the ethnicity questions when they registered.

I don't think they indicate that white people are racist, more that the majority of white Americans wanted McCain whereas a majority of hispanic voters and an overwhelming majority of African-American voters cast their vote for Barack Obama.

How people interpret those results is another matter entirely. ;)
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My understanding is that the US still has a secret ballot.

The "black" demographic always skews strongly to the Democrats anyway so I suspect that race didn't really come into it for most. "A majority," is simply 50% plus one and much as I prefer Obama, I would take issue with any suggestion that the majority of white voters chose to vote against the black candidate. That would play into the editorial's race-baiting game.
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From Tom Adkins:

So today, I'm feeling a little "uppity," if you will. From this day forward, my tolerance level for having my skin color hustled is exactly ZERO. No more Rev. Jeremiah Wright's "God Damn America," Al Sharpton's Church of Perpetual Victimization, or Jesse Jackson's rainbow racism. Cornel West? You're a fraud. All those "black studies" programs must now teach kids to thank Whitey. And I want that on the final.

Congressional Black Caucus? Irrelevant. U.S. Rep. Maxine Waters (D., Calif.)? Shut up. ACORN? Outlawed. Black Panthers? Go home and pet your kitty. Black separatists? Find another nation that offers better dreams. To those Eurosnots who forged careers hating America? I'm still waiting for the first black French president.

No more quotas. No more handouts. No more complaining that "the man" is keeping you down. "The man" is now black.

It's time to toss that massive, obsolete race-hustle machine upon the heap of the other stupid '60s ideas. Drag it over there, right between free love and cop-killing. Careful, don't trip on streaking. Just dump it. And then wash your hands. It's filthy.

Obama's ascension also creates another gargantuan irony. How can liberals sell American racism, class envy and unfairness when our new black president and his wife went to Ivy League schools, got high-paying jobs, became millionaires, bought a mansion, and are now moving to the White House? How unfair is that? Now, like a delicious O. Henry tale, Obama's spread-the-wealth campaign rendered itself moot by its own victory! America is officially a meritocracy. Obama's election has validated American conservatism.

So ... Wham!!!

That's the sound of my foot kicking the door shut on the era of white guilt. The rites have been muttered, the carcass lowered, dirt shoveled, and tombstone erected. Dead and buried.
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I haven't bothered to check the election demographics but I know that 90% of 13% of the population doesn't win the election so there must have been a lot of white people who voted for Obama.

No more quotas. No more handouts. No more complaining that "the man" is keeping you down. "The man" is now black.

So is it your position that, contrary to this article, and contrary to the fact that an American of African descent is now president, a president who graduated from Harvard and won a clear majority of the popular vote, that we can't operate equally and we still need quotas and handouts and have to pander to those who say the "man" is keeping them down?

I thought the article was interesting in that it stood for the proposition that African Americans had finally arrived in the US to the point that special concessions, i.e. hiring quotas, etc., were no longer necessary. That this election had shown that the US had grown to that point and where everyone has equal opportunity.
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The assertion that the election of Barack Obama proves beyond reasonable doubt that there is equal opportunity for all in America (or anywhere else for that matter) is beyond ridiculous.
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The assertion that the election of Barack Obama proves beyond reasonable doubt that there is equal opportunity for all in America (or anywhere else for that matter) is beyond ridiculous.
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Based on a sample size of one.
Based on the fact that it's not as if there's never been a lawyer go on to be president before.
Based on the fact that the Republican campaign cried sexism as soon as Sarah Palin made a fool of herself (you can't have it both ways).
Based on the number of death threats Obama received before he was even elected.
Based on the fact that it only took 44, or 138, or 232 years (depending on where you count from) for it to happen once.
Based on the fact that just because some can escape the poverty trap doesn't mean everyone can and that reality applies no matter what your ethnicity.
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But I'm talking about what the author says, that white guilt is over because African Americans have now achieved the highest offices possible in the United States, President of the US, CEOs of major corporations, Football coaches, quarterbacks, every elected and achieved position there is and that it is time to end 50 years of special treatment in the forms of hiring quotas, etc., and simply enforce equal rights for all. That is the author's point.

Sadly, I don't think racism or sexism will ever disappear completely, but why shouldn't equal rights for all mean simply that, equal rights for all?
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Let's not be naive here.

If that were the author's only point, he could have made it in the rational terms that you just did. (although I'm not sure about equating football players with high office)

But he didn't.
Why not?

Why else would he gleefully use an expression like "uppity" (his quotation marks) with all the racial connotations it brings? What is the point of doing that if it isn't race baiting?

The tone of that editorial is not "Isn't it wonderful that we have once and for all drawn a line and moved on." Instead, the tone is more along the line of, "Ha ha! You're not n*ggers any more!"

Is that kind of tone uniting or divisive?
The fact that there might be a valid point buried deep inside all the race-bating and self-congratulation doesn't change the fact that the author is, as Andy put it, a moron.

Okay, perhaps that's unfair. I don't know the man in any way other than what he has written.
So let's just say he presents himself as a moron. And in this new era or meritocracy, it's all about how you present yourself.
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I have to totally agree with Bill, here. Had he presented his article without the racial overtones and the fact that
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our new black president and his wife went to Ivy League schools, got high-paying jobs, became millionaires, bought a mansion, and are now moving to the White House? How unfair is that?
totally leaving out that they had plenty of struggles in their lives. If he had said something to the effect that "our new President and his wife, struggled but made it to Ivy League schools, got high-paying jobs, became millionaires, bought a mansion, and are now moving to the White House. A wonderful example of what we all can do if we really want it." No need to even mention "black President" if we are talking about total equality. Unfortunately this small statement shows that race was not far from his mind, not equality.
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I have to totally agree with Bill, here. Had he presented his article without the racial overtones and the fact that
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our new black president and his wife went to Ivy League schools, got high-paying jobs, became millionaires, bought a mansion, and are now moving to the White House? How unfair is that?
totally leaving out that they had plenty of struggles in their lives. If he had said something to the effect that "our new President and his wife, struggled but made it to Ivy League schools, got high-paying jobs, became millionaires, bought a mansion, and are now moving to the White House. A wonderful example of what we all can do if we really want it." No need to even mention "black President" if we are talking about total equality. Unfortunately this small statement shows that race was not far from his mind, not equality.
Don't we all struggle? Aren't we all subject to some kind of prejudice somewhere in our lives? Ethnic? Religious?
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Everything is relative. I've been told on occasion (not here) that I shouldn't be commenting on US politics since I'm Australian. Does that count?

I also remember once when I was walking with my ex-girlfriend and this car drove past with the passenger calling us yuppies out the window.
Me? A yuppie? I ask you!
In the case of the ex, it was probably fair comment. She wasn't a yuppie but clearly wanted to be and that's really the reason it ended, which was an incredibly fortunate thing on so many levels in the end, but I digress....

That's honestly the worst I can think of. Pretty lame, I know. I know that in the greater scheme, I've been very lucky.
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Of course we all struggle. My point was, the author did not need to mention "our new black President." It totally shows that he isn't really commenting on Obama but commenting on his race. He could've moved/changed some words and it would've been a different article.
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Omaha, Nebraska's one electoral vote went to Obama today. Missouri is still too close to call.
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I don't see 200 years of oppression and division just fading away because 1 of 43 presidents is black. Ingrained and inbred hatred doesn't go away just because of a few catchy bumper stickers.
If you read my posts backward there's evidence that Paul is dead.
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It won't, Mia, but it is a start.
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I disagree Mia. I think Obama's presidency will do a lot to dissipate lingering stereotypes about black people - the perception that they're ignorant, violent, impulsive, etc. Obama portrays the opposite of most of these traits - and provided that he's successful, he will prove that a black man can manage the most powerful country on earth as well as any white man could (and certainly better than some). I have a feeling that Obama and his family as top news stories for at least the next four year will normalize racist white American's perception of "blackness" by proving that Obama and his family are like any other American family.
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Grace, I want to agree with you......but I can't. I live near Los Angeles who had a black mayor for over 8 years. He was a wonderful man and showed that anyone, be they white, black, Mexican (as they have now), or anybody can do a great job. Unfortunately that did not dissipate any racial anger. Mayor Tom Bradley did a great job. He also brought about a lot of diversity, yet people were still afraid and remain ignorant. Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa is a good mayor but he is not getting the change of ignorance to tolerance very easy, either. Racial strife still abounds.
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There's an interesting statistic on page one of this thread.

Although this community is often accused both from within and without, of being a bunch of rabid lefties, yet among eligible voters, the poll is split right down the middle.

It may be a very small sample size, but it suggests that the American membership here might actually skew Republican more than the general population. Not a bad thing, it just goes against everything that's ever been said about us.
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Put on my new bumper sticker today that says "I voted for that one!" (has arrow pointing to President elect Obama) I like saying that....tee hee hee.
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maccascruff
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I hate the ad at the bottom of this thread:

Did Obama Buy the Election?

It upsets me every time I come here.
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Nov 19 2008, 05:32 AM
I disagree Mia. I think Obama's presidency will do a lot to dissipate lingering stereotypes about black people - the perception that they're ignorant, violent, impulsive, etc. Obama portrays the opposite of most of these traits - and provided that he's successful, he will prove that a black man can manage the most powerful country on earth as well as any white man could (and certainly better than some). I have a feeling that Obama and his family as top news stories for at least the next four year will normalize racist white American's perception of "blackness" by proving that Obama and his family are like any other American family.
I agree with you. I think it's important for black kids and teens self esteem.

People talk so much about USA and forget that in Japan things are not better. A baby born of immigrant parents is not a Japanese citizen and that means this baby have very few chances to be Prime Minister because racism there is very well known.

Lennon said :" Woman is the n*gger of the world"

I think POVERTY is. There are many black people living better than many white. Many white people being marginalized because they are poor. This is the world we live in. Black,White, Asian,Obese, Anorexic, Disable, Old,Tall, Short, Poor, people are always finding a way to separate.




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maccascruff
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I hate the ad at the bottom of this thread:

Did Obama Buy the Election?

It upsets me every time I come here.
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Nov 19 2008, 05:32 AM
I disagree Mia. I think Obama's presidency will do a lot to dissipate lingering stereotypes about black people - the perception that they're ignorant, violent, impulsive, etc. Obama portrays the opposite of most of these traits - and provided that he's successful, he will prove that a black man can manage the most powerful country on earth as well as any white man could (and certainly better than some). I have a feeling that Obama and his family as top news stories for at least the next four year will normalize racist white American's perception of "blackness" by proving that Obama and his family are like any other American family.
People who think every person of any race fits any label aren't about to be swayed by 1 man who doesn't fit their stereotype. For every Obama they'll point out a dozen people of lesser character. They can even point out that Obama's half white.

You've had black secretaries of state, senators, governors and now, finally, a president. There's ample evidence that black Americans can lead just as well as blacks in other countries. But people who see only race are blind to evidence.

And if Obama fails, that's just "proof" that blacks can't run the show.
If you read my posts backward there's evidence that Paul is dead.
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Mine still says Did Obama Buy the Election when I come to this thread. :no:
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Nov 22 2008, 12:34 AM
Mine still says Did Obama Buy the Election when I come to this thread. :no:
Mine says 'Did Bush Steal the Election?', but I have an older computer. :giggle:
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Joe Lieberman kissing up to the new President and his administration!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081126/ap_on_re_us/lieberman_connecticut



Lieberman: Obama 'about perfect' in Cabinet picks
By PAT EATON-ROBB, Associated Press Writer Pat Eaton-robb, Associated Press Writer


HARTFORD, Conn. – Connecticut Sen. Joe Lieberman took another step Tuesday toward mending his relationship with Democrats, saying that Barack Obama's actions since winning the presidency have been "just about perfect."

"Everything that President-elect Obama has done since election night has been just about perfect, both in terms of a tone and also in terms of the strength of the names that have either been announced or are being discussed to fill his administration," Lieberman said during a visit to Hartford.

Lieberman, the Democratic nominee for vice president in 2000, was re-elected to the Senate in 2006 as an independent but continues to caucus with Democrats. He supported Republican John McCain's presidential campaign, going as far as to criticize Obama and make a speech at the Republican National Convention.

Democrats threatened to strip him of his chairmanship of the Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs committee but instead removed him as head of a smaller environmental subcommittee.

Connecticut Democrats meet Dec. 17 and are still considering a possible censure of Lieberman for his actions during the presidential campaign.

"I will ask them to judge me by my record," Lieberman said. "Generally speaking, I've had a record, a voting record, which is really ultimately what it's about, not unlike most Democrats."

Lieberman said he believes the rift between himself and the party stemmed mainly from his support of President Bush's policy in Iraq and will close as that becomes less of an issue.

"It appears to me that the war in Iraq is coming to a successful — I don't want to say conclusion yet, but it's moving in a way that it will not be a divisive issue either in the Democratic Party or between Democrats and Republicans in the time ahead," Lieberman said. "And therefore, I think we'll return to more normal times, which I welcome."



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maccascruff
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Now mine is about interracial dating. I like the other ad better.

Not surprised that Lieberman is kissing up. I wondered at times if he was running for office the way he was always on the stage with McCain.
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~LovelyRita~
Nov 19 2008, 05:32 AM
I disagree Mia. I think Obama's presidency will do a lot to dissipate lingering stereotypes about black people - the perception that they're ignorant, violent, impulsive, etc. Obama portrays the opposite of most of these traits - and provided that he's successful, he will prove that a black man can manage the most powerful country on earth as well as any white man could (and certainly better than some). I have a feeling that Obama and his family as top news stories for at least the next four year will normalize racist white American's perception of "blackness" by proving that Obama and his family are like any other American family.
People who think every person of any race fits any label aren't about to be swayed by 1 man who doesn't fit their stereotype. For every Obama they'll point out a dozen people of lesser character. They can even point out that Obama's half white.

You've had black secretaries of state, senators, governors and now, finally, a president. There's ample evidence that black Americans can lead just as well as blacks in other countries. But people who see only race are blind to evidence.

And if Obama fails, that's just "proof" that blacks can't run the show.
It doesn't matter if he's half white or "an exception", simply by proving that exceptions exist he's disproving the idea that race determines anything. As for there having been black mayors etc., there are plenty of people who don't even know the name of their mayor or governor, everyone knows Obama, the presidency is a much bigger deal.

There is one thing you said I do agree with though - if Obama fails, it could be seen as "proof" that black people are poor leaders. A depressing thought, but I think he'll do well.
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But you're using logic. That's something bigots lack.

It's pretty sad if people don't know who their governors are.
If you read my posts backward there's evidence that Paul is dead.
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Nov 26 2008, 03:41 AM

It's pretty sad if people don't know who their governors are.
Nor care.
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Nov 26 2008, 03:41 AM
But you're using logic. That's something bigots lack.

It's pretty sad if people don't know who their governors are.
I guess you're right, how does one make people develop logic?
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If you have 9 minutes and 21 seconds click on the link below to be very amused by Robin Williams. Something for everyone, Republican or Democrat!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puMz1Q3E000&eurl=http://politicalirony.com/2008/11/30/robin-williams-on-obamas-election/&feature=player_embedded
Mnisthiti mou Kurie!
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A fun comment on Governor Cabbage Patch Doll:

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If you have 9 minutes and 21 seconds click on the link below to be very amused by Robin Williams. Something for everyone, Republican or Democrat!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puMz1Q3E000&eurl=http://politicalirony.com/2008/11/30/robin-williams-on-obamas-election/&feature=player_embedded
"Project Running-Mate" :rofl:
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Will miss those Bushisms! Bush must do a Politically Incorrect Blue Collar Tour. I can see it now, Jeff Foxworthy saying You Know You're a Redneck ...... than a Bushism (like putting food on your family) and Bill Engvall saying There's Your Sign.
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Obama anounces more nominees.

Joe the Plummer for HUD
Joe 6 Pack for ATF chairman
Joey "The knife" for Surgeon General
Joe Blow for Drug Czar

Average Joe applied for a job. They'll get back to him.
If you read my posts backward there's evidence that Paul is dead.
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Chief statistician?
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I've heard that he calculates a mean average!
...and in the end, the love you take is equal to the love you make.
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Right now I am watching the Presidential Inauguration Concert, We Are One, in Lincoln Park. It's hitting me that the US has elected Barack Obama, a black man. An event that I think most Americans never thought they would see in their lifetime, me included. I am so happy right now that I am in tears. I don't think I have been so proud of my country as I am right now. Right now Jon Bon Jovi and Betty LaVelle are doing a kick-ass version of Sam Cooke's A Change is Going to Come. Yes it is!

YES, WE DID IT!!
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Cathy - what network is covering it. I get a zillion channels with Direct TV and can't find what you're watching.
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I so wish I didn't have to work tomorrow so I could CELEBRATE the entire day. I won't get to see the swearing-in ceremony and the acceptance speech live, but I will know that it is happening! :clap:
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I can tape it for you if you'd like! :yes:
[AND IN THE END.....THE LOVE YOU TAKE...IS EQUAL TO THE LOVE YOU MAKE
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