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2008 U.S. Presidential Election
Topic Started: Feb 22 2007, 05:49 AM (37,414 Views)
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Oct 26 2008, 07:47 AM
I just re-took the test and the one question that I knew I had a problem with, and questioned, I got right this time. My score ended up 15/15. It was the David Gates question that I got wrong the first time and knew I got wrong.
I don't remember a question about Bread and David Gates. :wacko: :-/




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Oct 26 2008, 08:13 AM
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Oct 26 2008, 07:53 AM
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Oct 26 2008, 07:27 AM
Only one US citizen with a perfect score so far while all the foreigners got 15.

I know that could be added to the Correlation ≠ Cause thread, but I'm just sayin'.... :whistle: :tomato:
I did NOT vote for 'W'!!!! :nono: :nono:
I don't get it. :unsure:
Think about it. :ponder:




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Yeah, tried that. What am I missing? :huh:
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Oct 26 2008, 08:19 AM
Yeah, tried that. What am I missing? :huh:
Bill, you rarely miss anything! :lol:



As they might say in Texas, there ain't no flies on Bill! :lol: :rofl:

(And don't ask me to explain that, either! :lol: )




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Oh, brother! :rofl:

Joe, say it ain't so! :roll: :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Y6_s3O5Bj0







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That's not relevant at all. Joe McCain's behaviour has nothing to do with John McCain or his campaign. It's a total non-issue.

If anything, having an embarrassing brother only makes McCain look more presidential. Billy Carter? Roger Clinton?
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I never said it was relevant. :P

I just thought it was too stupid not to share. :lol:


And you're forgetting that I grew up in the south. The Brothers Clinton and Carter were am endless source of humor and embarrassment. ;) :lol:




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Opie, Andy, Ritchie and The Fonz weigh in. ^_^

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/cc65ed650d




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Very interesting reading. Has Palin gone 'rogue'? :-/


stories/1008/14929.html


This same story, in various forms, is all over the news today. -_-




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Very interesting reading. Has Palin gone 'rogue'? :-/


http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14929.html


This same story, in various forms, is all over the news today. -_-
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I think that most of this article is stuff that we have been saying since she was chosen to be his running mate. Just about all of us, me included, have stated that they needed to let her speak and speak on her own without being scripted. The McCain people really have no one to blame but themselves. Yes, on her own she has made mistakes but so has Biden. They all have.
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Oct 26 2008, 07:47 AM
I just re-took the test and the one question that I knew I had a problem with, and questioned, I got right this time. My score ended up 15/15. It was the David Gates question that I got wrong the first time and knew I got wrong.
That is the one I missed, too.

Palin was in Des Moines yesterday. She gave an interview to a local television station. However, she had rules--no surprise. The questions had to be submitted ahead of time and Palin would only answer questions her staff approved. Guess she is tired of looking so stupid.

She also showed she's knows nothing about farming, which is not a surprise. However, if you are campaigning in a farm state, you need to learn a few facts and keep them straight.
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I would think that by now, no matter what their age, they are all totally sleep deprived--Obama, Biden, McCain and Palin.

And Obama has to have his very sick grandmother on his mind also.

Somebody sent me the Opie clip and put in the subject: How could Opie endorse Osama Obama. Made me sick.
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Oct 26 2008, 06:13 PM
I would think that by now, no matter what their age, they are all totally sleep deprived--Obama, Biden, McCain and Palin.

And Obama has to have his very sick grandmother on his mind also.

Somebody sent me the Opie clip and put in the subject: How could Opie endorse Osama Obama. Made me sick.
Oh well. After November 4th, we'll all be required to wear turbans anyway. ;)




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I would think that by now, no matter what their age, they are all totally sleep deprived--Obama, Biden, McCain and Palin.

And Obama has to have his very sick grandmother on his mind also.

Somebody sent me the Opie clip and put in the subject: How could Opie endorse Osama Obama. Made me sick.
Oh well. After November 4th, we'll all be required to wear turbans anyway. ;)
Looking for the color of that best matches my skin now!
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Oct 26 2008, 06:13 PM
I would think that by now, no matter what their age, they are all totally sleep deprived--Obama, Biden, McCain and Palin.

And Obama has to have his very sick grandmother on his mind also.

Somebody sent me the Opie clip and put in the subject: How could Opie endorse Osama Obama. Made me sick.
Oh well. After November 4th, we'll all be required to wear turbans anyway. ;)
Looking for the color of that best matches my skin now!
Just remember to avoid a horizontal stripe. ;) :tomato:




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Oct 26 2008, 06:57 PM
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Oct 26 2008, 06:13 PM
I would think that by now, no matter what their age, they are all totally sleep deprived--Obama, Biden, McCain and Palin.

And Obama has to have his very sick grandmother on his mind also.

Somebody sent me the Opie clip and put in the subject: How could Opie endorse Osama Obama. Made me sick.
Oh well. After November 4th, we'll all be required to wear turbans anyway. ;)
Looking for the color of that best matches my skin now!
Just remember to avoid a horizontal stripe. ;) :tomato:
I assure, that will be hidden! :peace:
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Oct 26 2008, 06:45 PM
After November 4th, we'll all be required to wear turbans anyway. ;)
Some on here seem to think so. :whistle:

I will be spending tomorrow making Get Out The Vote calls. Hopefully, they are all at work and I can just leave messages.
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I would think that by now, no matter what their age, they are all totally sleep deprived--Obama, Biden, McCain and Palin.

And Obama has to have his very sick grandmother on his mind also.

Somebody sent me the Opie clip and put in the subject: How could Opie endorse Osama Obama. Made me sick.
Oh well. After November 4th, we'll all be required to wear turbans anyway. ;)
Oh god! Now I will have to buy matching dynamite as well....
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Oct 26 2008, 06:45 PM
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Oct 26 2008, 06:13 PM
I would think that by now, no matter what their age, they are all totally sleep deprived--Obama, Biden, McCain and Palin.

And Obama has to have his very sick grandmother on his mind also.

Somebody sent me the Opie clip and put in the subject: How could Opie endorse Osama Obama. Made me sick.
Oh well. After November 4th, we'll all be required to wear turbans anyway. ;)


Oh god! Now I will have to buy matching dynamite as well....


Can't you just make your own? I mean, MacGyver IS your mensch. ;) :lol:




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I would think that by now, no matter what their age, they are all totally sleep deprived--Obama, Biden, McCain and Palin.

And Obama has to have his very sick grandmother on his mind also.

Somebody sent me the Opie clip and put in the subject: How could Opie endorse Osama Obama. Made me sick.
Oh well. After November 4th, we'll all be required to wear turbans anyway. ;)


Oh god! Now I will have to buy matching dynamite as well....


Can't you just make your own? I mean, MacGyver IS your mensch. ;) :lol:
Pass me the paperclips, duct tape and Superglue, then watch out! :yahoo:
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Palin's a rogue for ignoring the advisors and doing it her way? Doesn't that make her a maverick?
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She's a rogue maverick.

Looks like the GOP has a circular firing squad going....

McCain campaign morale in downward spiral
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Who admits that?
Well, Colin Powell, for one.



I suppose we should move any ensuing conversation on this particular topic to the '2008 Presidentail Election' thread. I have other thoughts that I would love to post on this topic.

If Powell knew there were no WMDs and he sold the war to the UN based on WMDs, shouldn't he be in jail?
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Oct 27 2008, 06:24 AM
Who admits that?
Well, Colin Powell, for one.



I suppose we should move any ensuing conversation on this particular topic to the '2008 Presidentail Election' thread. I have other thoughts that I would love to post on this topic.

If Powell knew there were no WMDs and he sold the war to the UN based on WMDs, shouldn't he be in jail?
No you damn Republican ;) its Bush who should be in jail.

;) (you have stated that you are a Libertarian, no?)
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Pretty much but the Libertarian Party doesn't have much mainstream appeal and has its own wingnuts. I know Bob Barr. Funny, a few years ago he was the king of the war on drugs and now he's against the war on drugs. Beam me up, scotty.
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Oct 27 2008, 06:24 AM
Who admits that?
Well, Colin Powell, for one.



I suppose we should move any ensuing conversation on this particular topic to the '2008 Presidentail Election' thread. I have other thoughts that I would love to post on this topic.

If Powell knew there were no WMDs and he sold the war to the UN based on WMDs, shouldn't he be in jail?
No you damn Republican ;) its Bush who should be in jail.

;) (you have stated that you are a Libertarian, no?)
Well, John -- at least you got one thing right. ;) Bush & Co. should be held to account for leading us into an unnecessary war. -_-


Colin Powell was sold a bill of goods about WMDS, just as the rest of us were. He stated the case for war based on the *intelligence* that had been passed along to him from Bush, Cheney, et al. He later resigned, when it became clear to him that no WMDS, or evidence thereof, ever existed, with his once-stellar reputation tarnished as a result of the entire episode. -_-

Doesn't anyone remember the whole Joe Wilson/Valerie Plame debacle? Wilson's wife was the victim of the Cheney/Rove mechanism whose mission was to damage or to quiet any of those who stood in the way of the march to war in Iraq. John Dean, who you will remember as a co-conspirator in the Watergate cover-up, even wrote a book about the Machiavellian goings-on in the White House. The title of the book is "Worse than Watergate". And John Dean is a Republican.

Glad to hear your folks had a wonderful trip, John. That's really special that you *kids* were able to do that for your parents. My siblings and I also sent our parents to Europe. It was a trip they never forgot. And I'll be glad to take you up on that Ouzo!! ;) :lol: :peace:
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For anyone who hasn't been paying attention, type "935 lies" into Google and see what you learn.

Powell certainly isn't without blame, but he's a good soldier and he did as he was ordered.

It cheapens the right-wing argument when they go pretending that everything we've learnt about White House corruption over the last five years never happened. I would like to know which one of Jupiter's moons people have been living on if they still don't know that everyone involved has admitted there were no WMD. This is someone's cue to call for impeachment. It's not too late. :whistle: ;)
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Another non-sequitur comment that drives me up the wall is the "If he's such a bad person, why isn't he in jail?" one.

Ask OJ. Ask Phil Spector. Ask Scooter Libby. Hell, the only thing they could get Al Capone on was tax evasion! Does anyone take this to mean he never killed anyone?

Now who was it who said we can't afford to wait for the smoking gun?
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Oct 27 2008, 12:26 PM
Another non-sequitur comment that drives me up the wall is the "If he's such a bad person, why isn't he in jail?" one.

Ask OJ. Ask Phil Spector. Ask Scooter Libby. Hell, the only thing they could get Al Capone on was tax evasion! Does anyone take this to mean he never killed anyone?

Now who was it who said we can't afford to wait for the smoking gun?
Misquoted again. I said if Colin Powell lied to the UN, should he not be in jail? IF he lied, he should be, in my opinion. I recall admissions that we found no WMDs. I have heard no admissions that anyone knew ahead of time there were no WMDs. Huge difference.
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Which brings us back to the classic Bush Administration defence: We're not evil, just stupid.
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Oct 27 2008, 12:56 PM
Which brings us back to the classic Bush Administration defence: We're not evil, just stupid.
Bush isn't running but Obama is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iivL4c_3pck
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Does that mean Bush is absolved of his malpractice?

What's your point? Bush and McCain have already redistributed a trillion dollars to those who have already proven they can't be trusted with it. They're all about rewarding failure. There's a different between that and giving the less advantaged some opportunities that they might not have otherwise had.

I will predict right here and now that any potential Obama administration will NOT go confiscating people's savings an assets to dole them out amongst wasters or anyone else. Does anyone want to take that bet?
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Which brings us back to the classic Bush Administration defence: We're not evil, just stupid.
Ooh, it's Hanlon's Razor:

"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity."
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Oct 27 2008, 01:39 PM
Does that mean Bush is absolved of his malpractice?

What's your point? Bush and McCain have already redistributed a trillion dollars to those who have already proven they can't be trusted with it. They're all about rewarding failure. There's a different between that and giving the less advantaged some opportunities that they might not have otherwise had.

I will predict right here and now that any potential Obama administration will NOT go confiscating people's savings an assets to dole them out amongst wasters or anyone else. Does anyone want to take that bet?
I think Obama needs to appoint you his chief executioner.
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Both candids are my favorites. :devil:
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Skinheads 'planned to kill Obama'

US government agents say they have foiled a plot to assassinate Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama.

Court records unsealed on Monday quote agents as saying they had disrupted plans by two neo-Nazi skinheads, the Associated Press news agency reports.

The pair also allegedly planned to murder more than 100 black people at a school in the state of Tennessee.

Agents from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) brought the case, AP reports.

The two skinheads allegedly planned to rob a gun store and then carry out a killing spree at an unnamed predominantly African-American high school, AP quotes the court records as saying.

Jim Cavanaugh, special agent in charge of the Nashville field office of the ATF, told AP that the two men had planned to shoot 88 black people and decapitate another 14. The numbers 88 and 14 are said to be symbolic in the white supremacist community.

Mr Cavanaugh said the men had sought to go on a national killing spree, with Mr Obama as its final target.

"They said that would be their last, final act - that they would attempt to kill Senator Obama," Mr Cavanaugh told AP.

"They didn't believe they would be able to do it, but that they would get killed trying."

The Obama campaign had no initial comment on the report.

Mr Obama, who if elected will become the first black US president, is leading Republican rival John McCain in opinion polls ahead of the 4 November election.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7694254.stm

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The skinhead story is hideous! Thankfully the plot seemed as poorly planned as their brains are poorly wired.

In other news, no surprise, but Republican Senator Ted Stevens found guilty on all charges!

This means Mark Begich will be elected, causing that Senate seat to go blue.
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This election is going to Hell in a McCain basket.... :innocent:
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Oct 27 2008, 11:56 PM
This election is going to Hell in a McCain basket.... :innocent:
That's the words I was thinking about" Hell". :devil:
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The skinhead story is scary. I know on Sunday it seemed like there was a lot more security at the Obama rally than the one I attended way back in January.

Of course, in January, Obama was just a candidate--not the nominee. Edwards dropped out that very morning and the rally was indoors. Crowd of about 15,000. When we moved to the small gym for the meeting for precinct captains, crowd of maybe 2,000 and we got very close to Obama. We also got fed by the campaign!

On Sunday, Obama is the nominee, rally is outside with tall buildings all around and a crowd of around 100,000 people. The tall buildings scared me as it looked like there were people on those buildings who were not secret service.
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Another non-sequitur comment that drives me up the wall is the "If he's such a bad person, why isn't he in jail?" one.

Ask OJ. Ask Phil Spector. Ask Scooter Libby. Hell, the only thing they could get Al Capone on was tax evasion! Does anyone take this to mean he never killed anyone?

Now who was it who said we can't afford to wait for the smoking gun?
Misquoted again. I said if Colin Powell lied to the UN, should he not be in jail? IF he lied, he should be, in my opinion. I recall admissions that we found no WMDs. I have heard no admissions that anyone knew ahead of time there were no WMDs. Huge difference.
I suggest you get a copy of a well researched PBS show that both John and I thought was very good and hardhitting. The name of that show is "Bush's War." Here is a link to it: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/bushswar/

It is excellent and worth seeing the entire show of about 5 hours. Than you will see that Colin Powell was lied to as was everyone else.
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How would you feel about such a candidate?

* 12 years experience in Congress
* 4 years state house of representatives
* Bachelor's degree in international relations, Master's degree in law and diplomacy, Doctorate in international law and diplomacy
* Former high school teacher and university professor
* Criticised Bush over handling of Hurricane Katrina, was the only member of Congress to participate in a protest against the government's handling of evacuees
* Wrote a bill to deny federal funding to police departments that prevent evacuees from entering their jurisdictions
* Wrote a bill to examine the effects of toxic waste on Katrina victims
* Wrote a bill to provide compensation for Katrina victims exposed to toxic waste
* Member of Congressional committee to investigate the preparation for and response to Hurricane Katrina
* Member of the House International Relations committee and that committee's Human Rights subcommittee
* Member of the House Armed Services committee
* Wrote a bill to ban the export and development of depleted uranium
* Wrote a bill to prevent the sale of weapons to countries that violate human rights
* Wrote a bill that called for a ban on coltan mining in the Democratic Republic of Congo
* Wrote a bill calling for records in the assassination of Martin Luther King to be unsealed, the senate version was sponsored by Hillary Clinton and John Kerry
* Opposed Ohio's electoral vote count in the 2004 presidential election
* Criticised Bush over handling of information regarding 911 attacks and his family ties to the Carlyle Group
* Opposed the invasion of Iraq from the beginning
* One of only 3 House members to vote for the immediate removal of troops from Iraq in 2005
* Introduced articles of impeachment against Bush for "manipulating intelligence and lying to justify the war in Iraq, failing to uphold accountability and violating privacy laws with his domestic spying program"


How about this one?

* 8 years experience in Congress
* 7 years experience with the CIA
* 4 years experience US Attorney appointed by Reagan
* Bachelor's and Master's degree in international affairs, Law degree from Georgetown University
* Lived in Iran, Pakistan, Panama, and Malaysia as a child
* Member of the House Judiciary Committee
* Introduced articles of impeachment against Clinton for obstruction of Justice Department investigations into campaign fundraising, called for Clinton to resign
* Member of the House Government Reform Committee
* Member of the House Committee on Financial Services
* Member of the House Committee on Veteran's Affairs
* Wrote amendments to the Patriot Act, now opposes it
* Blocked a bill to legalise medical marijuana
* Wrote a bill that defines marriage as only between a man and woman, allows states to ignore same-sex marriages in other states
* Voted for the invasion of Iraq
* Wrote a bill banning the practice of withcraft in the military
* Supports the 2nd Amendment, served on NRA board of directors for 6 years
* Opposes abortion
* Supports abolishing the IRS, supports the Fair Tax
* Supports privatising Social Security
* Opposes federal grants for education and No Child Left Behind, supports government vouchers for private school and homeschooling
* Opposes foreign aid to governments that "work against American interests"
* Opposes American involvement in the UN
* Supports drilling in Alaska
* Supports an overhaul of Medicare and Medicaid, reducing government regulations on health care
* Opposes government services for illegal immigrants
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I need to check out their wardrobe first...anyway goodnight! :rofl:
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I need to check out their wardrobe first...anyway goodnight! :rofl:
The bathing suit contest is in the other building.
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A little political humor: :rofl:

Sarah Palin is invited to meet with the Pope while he is vacationing south of Rome in Venice.

The liberal press reluctantly watches the semi-private audience, hoping they will be able to allot minimal coverage, if any.

The Pope asks Governor Palin to join him on a Gondola ride through the canals of Venice. They're admiring the sights and agreeing on moral issues when, all of a sudden, the Pope's hat (zucchetto) blows off his head and out into the water. The gondolier starts to reach for the Pontiff's cap with his pole, but this move threatens to overturn the floating craft.

Sarah waves the tour guide off, saying, "Wait, wait. I'll take care of this. Don't worry." She steps off the gondola onto the surface of the water and walks out to the Pope's hat, bends over and picks it up. She walks back across the water to the gondola and steps aboard. She hands the hat to the Pope amid stunned silence.

The next morning the topic of conversation among Democrats in Congress, CBS News, NBC News, ABC News, CNN, the New York Times, Hollywood celebrities, and in France and Germany is:
"Palin Can't Swim."
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Throughout this historic election cycle, something which has struck me is the reaching of new lows when it comes to smears, nastiness by pundits and blatant untruths which no sane person could even begin to believe (and yes, I'm certain many of those who spread such messages are aware of the absurdity of their smears, but try desperately to reach the negative instincts of the ill-informed on the receiving end).

At times, the lunacy of it all is almost enough to make one cry.

But... as we near the conclusion, I'd like to point out something else that has also struck me, on a much more positive note, and that is as follows:

During the past year, I've been reading about ordinary people who struggle, and who in the face of ever more difficult times still devote themselves to helping others, be it family members or loved ones - often putting the needs of someone else above their own. I've read about those who have lost their jobs and homes after long, honest, hard-working struggles for many years, and am struck by their determination through exhaustion and sometimes personal tragedy to somehow make ends meet. Some are learning to cut back and cope with less and some with nearly nothing are staring destitution in the face - yet they confront the situation with a level of energy I have very rarely witnessed before.

I think about wonderful friends who I know have had challenges to overcome, and I think about how many other good, decent people are out there in similar situations but whose stories aren't told.

I just watched the 27-minute piece by the Obama campaign. Not only did it radiate a warmth and resolve that makes me understand why Barack connects with so many people in the US (and around the world), but it struck a chord deep inside of me that I must admit rarely gets played. Along with what he has said during his many speeches, by his own written words about his political views, by his own written words about his personal history, and by the very many inspiring and impressive words written about him by other people who have known him privately and professionally - I actually get that feeling of wanting to better myself because of what this man has said and done. To blatantly steal an old cliché - he makes me want to be a better person. I am serious. I think the world is better off with people like him in it.

Even if in the end you don't agree with his political views, and even if you've already completely decided to cast your vote for McCain/Palin - I do hope you will take the time to watch it anyway: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtREqAmLsoA

But if you decide you don't want to spend time on watching it, perhaps I can at the very least suggest another clip. A little (barely 3 minute long) piece on a guy named Charles: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TW-6DpC-mj8&feature=channel

Beacuse that clip, simple as it may be, finally proved enough to make me cry.

All the best to all of you, regardless of your political leanings.



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Even if in the end you don't agree with his political views, and even if you've already completely decided to cast your vote for McCain/Palin - I do hope you will take the time to watch it anyway: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtREqAmLsoA

But if you decide you don't want to spend time on watching it, perhaps I can at the very least suggest another clip. A little (barely 3 minute long) piece on a guy named Charles: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TW-6DpC-mj8&feature=channel

Beacuse that clip, simple as it may be, finally proved enough to make me cry.

All the best to all of you, regardless of your political leanings.



The "Charles" video did not make me cry. Obama is spending millions on these half hour specials in an effort to further his chances of appealing to the undecided voters. I don't vote on emotion; I vote on principals and values.

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I don't vote on emotion; I vote on principals and values.

And neither did I. I voted on my principles and values.
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From AOL News:
Amid a pastiche of American stories, the Democratic presidential nominee spent 30 minutes and more than $4 million of prepaid television time Wednesday delivering his final introduction to the public.

This election will be swayed by the media.
He who has the most air time wins? :ponder:
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I don't vote on emotion; I vote on principals and values.

And neither did I. I voted on my principles and values.
And that's why I was not impressed with his infomercials.
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Even if in the end you don't agree with his political views, and even if you've already completely decided to cast your vote for McCain/Palin - I do hope you will take the time to watch it anyway: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtREqAmLsoA

But if you decide you don't want to spend time on watching it, perhaps I can at the very least suggest another clip. A little (barely 3 minute long) piece on a guy named Charles: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TW-6DpC-mj8&feature=channel

Beacuse that clip, simple as it may be, finally proved enough to make me cry.

All the best to all of you, regardless of your political leanings.



The "Charles" video did not make me cry. Obama is spending millions on these half hour specials in an effort to further his chances of appealing to the undecided voters. I don't vote on emotion; I vote on principals and values.

Same here. I vote on principles and values.

ThirdHarmony. Thank you for the video. I just wanted to give Charles a hug and cry with him. I wanted to thank him for what he has done in his life and tell him what a great way to remember his life with his wife.

The infomercial was alright. I was more interested in seeing Bill Clinton onstage with him so was going back and forth between one of our local stations showing the video and CNN.
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Amid a pastiche of American stories, the Democratic presidential nominee spent 30 minutes and more than $4 million of prepaid television time Wednesday delivering his final introduction to the public.

This election will be swayed by the media.
He who has the most air time wins? :ponder:
Don't forget that McCain was on Larry King right after Obama. Had McCain done the same thing, you would be saying that it was a great thing that he did. McCain had his chance.
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How would you feel about such a candidate?

* 12 years experience in Congress
* 4 years state house of representatives
* Bachelor's degree in international relations, Master's degree in law and diplomacy, Doctorate in international law and diplomacy
* Former high school teacher and university professor
* Criticised Bush over handling of Hurricane Katrina, was the only member of Congress to participate in a protest against the government's handling of evacuees
* Wrote a bill to deny federal funding to police departments that prevent evacuees from entering their jurisdictions
* Wrote a bill to examine the effects of toxic waste on Katrina victims
* Wrote a bill to provide compensation for Katrina victims exposed to toxic waste
* Member of Congressional committee to investigate the preparation for and response to Hurricane Katrina
* Member of the House International Relations committee and that committee's Human Rights subcommittee
* Member of the House Armed Services committee
* Wrote a bill to ban the export and development of depleted uranium
* Wrote a bill to prevent the sale of weapons to countries that violate human rights
* Wrote a bill that called for a ban on coltan mining in the Democratic Republic of Congo
* Wrote a bill calling for records in the assassination of Martin Luther King to be unsealed, the senate version was sponsored by Hillary Clinton and John Kerry
* Opposed Ohio's electoral vote count in the 2004 presidential election
* Criticised Bush over handling of information regarding 911 attacks and his family ties to the Carlyle Group
* Opposed the invasion of Iraq from the beginning
* One of only 3 House members to vote for the immediate removal of troops from Iraq in 2005
* Introduced articles of impeachment against Bush for "manipulating intelligence and lying to justify the war in Iraq, failing to uphold accountability and violating privacy laws with his domestic spying program"


How about this one?

* 8 years experience in Congress
* 7 years experience with the CIA
* 4 years experience US Attorney appointed by Reagan
* Bachelor's and Master's degree in international affairs, Law degree from Georgetown University
* Lived in Iran, Pakistan, Panama, and Malaysia as a child
* Member of the House Judiciary Committee
* Introduced articles of impeachment against Clinton for obstruction of Justice Department investigations into campaign fundraising, called for Clinton to resign
* Member of the House Government Reform Committee
* Member of the House Committee on Financial Services
* Member of the House Committee on Veteran's Affairs
* Wrote amendments to the Patriot Act, now opposes it
* Blocked a bill to legalise medical marijuana
* Wrote a bill that defines marriage as only between a man and woman, allows states to ignore same-sex marriages in other states
* Voted for the invasion of Iraq
* Wrote a bill banning the practice of withcraft in the military
* Supports the 2nd Amendment, served on NRA board of directors for 6 years
* Opposes abortion
* Supports abolishing the IRS, supports the Fair Tax
* Supports privatising Social Security
* Opposes federal grants for education and No Child Left Behind, supports government vouchers for private school and homeschooling
* Opposes foreign aid to governments that "work against American interests"
* Opposes American involvement in the UN
* Supports drilling in Alaska
* Supports an overhaul of Medicare and Medicaid, reducing government regulations on health care
* Opposes government services for illegal immigrants
Great piece Mia. Looks like the fact check pieces CNN has been doing. Where did this come from?
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I thought Obama's 30 minutes on the tube tonight was BRILLIANT!!!!!! :yes: :clap: After watching that, I have NO doubt that I voted for the right man!!!!!!! :peace: (I had no doubts before I watched the tv spot) ;)
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From AOL News:
Amid a pastiche of American stories, the Democratic presidential nominee spent 30 minutes and more than $4 million of prepaid television time Wednesday delivering his final introduction to the public.

This election will be swayed by the media.
He who has the most air time wins? :ponder:
It's call the free market. Obama has more money to spend because he has raised more money. I thought Republicans were in favour of letting the market decide. ;)
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From AOL News:
Amid a pastiche of American stories, the Democratic presidential nominee spent 30 minutes and more than $4 million of prepaid television time Wednesday delivering his final introduction to the public.

This election will be swayed by the media.
He who has the most air time wins? :ponder:
Don't forget that McCain was on Larry King right after Obama. Had McCain done the same thing, you would be saying that it was a great thing that he did. McCain had his chance.
They've all been on tv, but not to this extent! I wish McCain was doing the same as Obama with these infomercials. You said McCain had his chance...do you mean to do 4 million dollar infomercials?
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From AOL News:
Amid a pastiche of American stories, the Democratic presidential nominee spent 30 minutes and more than $4 million of prepaid television time Wednesday delivering his final introduction to the public.

This election will be swayed by the media.
He who has the most air time wins? :ponder:
It's call the free market. Obama has more money to spend because he has raised more money. I thought Republicans were in favour of letting the market decide. ;)
No doubt that these infomercials will impact the election; that's my point.
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An interesting blog:
Obama's Infomercial

Wednesday, October 29, 2008
Obama's Infomercial

UPDATE: Obama's Infomerical: Presidential Screen Test

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Tonight's the night.

It's the premiere of Barack Obama's super-infomercial.

It will air at the beginning of prime time, 7:00 PM CT.

The New York Times calls the infomercial, "a Closing Argument to the Everyman."

It sounds like a big snooze to me -- a big, expensive, wasteful snooze.

What's an infomercial without Ron "Ronco" Popeil?


Senator Barack Obama will use his prime-time half-hour infomercial on Wednesday night to make what is effectively a closing argument to a national audience of millions. At times he will speak directly into the camera about his 20-month campaign, at others he will highlight everyday voters, their everyday troubles, and his plans to address them.

Mr. Obama’s campaign agreed to provide The New York Times with a minute-long trailer for the 30-minute program, which is to run on four broadcast networks at 8 p.m. It will be the first time in 16 years that a presidential candidate has bought network time, in prime time, for a prolonged campaign commercial.

A trailer?

Obama's commercial has a commercial?

The trailer is heavy in strings, flags, presidential imagery and some Americana filmed by Davis Guggenheim, whose father was the campaign documentarian of Robert F. Kennedy. As the screen flashes scenes of suburban lawns, a freight train and Mr. Obama seated at a kitchen table with a group of white, apparently working-class voters, Mr. Obama says: “We’ve seen over the last eight years how decisions by a president can have a profound effect on the course of history and on American lives; much that’s wrong with our country goes back even farther than that.”

White people?

Will there be black people, too?

Are we supposed to watch for them? Maybe it's kind of a "Where's Waldo?" thing.

That might be mildly entertaining for a minute or two.

Then, while standing before a stately desk and an American flag, Mr. Obama, in a suit, says: “We’ve been talking about the same problems for decades and nothing is ever done to solve them. For the past 20 months, I’ve traveled the length of this country, and Michelle and I have met so many Americans who are looking for real and lasting change that makes a difference in their lives.”

Jim Margolis, Mr. Obama’s senior advertising strategist, said the program would then go on to feature “the stories of four different Americans, or American families, and kind of what they’re confronting.”

...It will also have a live component, featuring Mr. Obama at a rally in Florida. The infomercial has been under production for weeks in the Virginia office of Mark Putnam, whose firm, Murphy-Putnam, is part of the Obama advertising team.

The program is to be shown on NBC, CBS, Fox, Univision, MSNBC and two cable networks that cater to African-Americans, BET and TV One. Ross Perot, the last presidential candidate to run similar programming, broadcast eight long infomercials to an average of 13 million viewers, with one of them getting 16.5 million viewers.

ABC isn't running the infomercial. The network will air regularly scheduled programming, Pushing Daisies.

CNN declined to air Obama's infomercial.

Although it will air on FOX, impacting coverage of the World Series, FOX News wasn't approached by Obama's campaign to air the ad.

I don't like that Obama is messing with the Series.



Costing the campaign more than $3 million, the infomercial is the ultimate reflection of Mr. Obama’s spending flexibility. Mr. McCain, with far less money in the bank, has been unable to produce a similar commercial.

McCain will be the guest on CNN's Larry King Live when Obama's infomerical runs.

What a dramatic contrast!

Why does Obama have SO much more money than McCain?

Obama is a liar. He broke his pledge to negotiate with McCain and stay within the public-funding system. Obama lied to the American people and broke his commitment.

Read FactCheck.org's "Obama's Lame Claim About McCain's Money."

If you watch the Obama infomercial, think of how much money it's costing for him to try and monopolize the airwaves.

Actually, the networks are reportedly giving Obama a bargain, but it's still costing a ton of money.

...Mr. Obama’s campaign said it was not worried about turning off viewers.

“Many people have 150 channels; they’ve got plenty of other choices,” Mr. Margolis said. “Or they can drop into a video game.” Then again, Mr. Obama is advertising in video games, too.

I don't watch TV at 7:00 on Wednesdays normally, so Obama isn't screwing up my viewing. Still, it bugs me that Obama can purchase all this TV time.

Obama is a big spender and a big liar and a big hypocrite.

I fail to see how this multi-million dollar infomerical, an extravagant production, will speak to Everyman.

The Left is still yapping about $150,000 for Sarah Palin's wardrobe, but silent when it comes to cost of this lavish commercial.

Speaking of hypocrisy, I wonder if Obama's half-brother George Hussein Onyango Obama will get a chance to see the infomercial. I doubt it.

I'm sure when Obama talks about the plight of American families during his ad, George's plight, the struggles of his own flesh and blood, won't come up.

There could be a backlash from this Must See Obama TV.

After Wednesday night, McCain will be seen by everyone as David and Obama as Goliath. All will see McCain as the underdog, McCain as the little guy and Obama as the Man.

Turns out, McCain IS the Everyman in this drama.
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They've all been on tv, but not to this extent! I wish McCain was doing the same as Obama with these infomercials. You said McCain had his chance...do you mean to do 4 million dollar infomercials?
If you're nonplussed by the Obama show, why would you wish McCain was doing the same thing?

I think Cathy's point about McCain having his chance is that he was due to appear on Larry King nearly two months ago but blew him off in a hissy fit after CNN didn't show "due deference" or something, towards Sarah Palin. Now he's gone crawling back having remembered how much he needs the hated media.

Speaking of Sarah Palin, that blogger is indulging is false equivalences. If your message is strong enough, it shouldn't matter what you're wearing. But if you're going to play the good-hearted, simple hockey mom, you can't do it with a 6-figure wardrobe. Obama's money is being spent taking his message to the people and his clothes are his own. That's the difference. Might you, that writer lost all credibility much early in the piece with the race-baiting comment.
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As opposed to previous discussions, that post by me was indeed an appeal to emotion. An emotion you may or may not share. I do not expect everyone to have the same reaction, and I do not in any way condone the abandonment of critical reasoning and proper source-checking, but I was trying to get a point across about what I think will be a major factor in what drives people to the ballots this time around. I find it interesting that campaign ads based on emotions such as fear are so commonly ingrained in the process whereas campaigning that deals with the opposite emotion isn't. Yes - always factcheck, factcheck, factcheck - but in the end who you are - emotions and rationality combined - are likely to determine how you will vote.
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Heidi, that was a great post! I feel just like the sentiment of tha article. I have never seen a campaign with so much bias and money being spent by someone who claims to be representing me, the middle class guy. It's outrageous! I really do hope people try and calculate the inconsistency this represents. McCain is catching up which is incredible considering how overwhelming the media is prejudiced towards Obama and the money being spent to push him in our faces.

Also, I do hope we get to see this latest information the LA Times is withholding from the American public. I don't see how this can be kept from the public when we are supposed to know the facts in order to make an intelligent decision.
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Third Harmony - I was also moved by Obama last night and I think that is a good thing. He inspires me as well.

Good for him for raising enough money so we might all have a chance for a new beginning.
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Also, I do hope we get to see this latest information the LA Times is withholding from the American public. I don't see how this can be kept from the public when we are supposed to know the facts in order to make an intelligent decision.
You talking about McCain's 1964 hidden automobile accident or his funding of Rashid Khalid? Yes - very important that they reveal this :rofl:
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Also, I do hope we get to see this latest information the LA Times is withholding from the American public. I don't see how this can be kept from the public when we are supposed to know the facts in order to make an intelligent decision.
You talking about McCain's 1964 hidden automobile accident or his funding of Rashid Khalid? Yes - very important that they reveal this :rofl:
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Obama is virtually obliged to spend the money donated to his campaign in the best way possible. If he had left the money in the bank - and lost - then there would have been questions asked as to why he didn't spend the money to bolster his campaign enough.
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As there were when John Kerry finished the election with $5mil still in the bank.

When did it become a crime to spend money?

It's not as if Obama is Mitt Romney, using his own personal fortune, or Hillary Clinton, going into an 8-figure debt. He's got the money to spend because people have contributed en masse, and they've done so because they believe in him. If McCain's message had connected with as many people in the same way, then he would be just as cashed-up as Obama. That's free-market democracy at its best.

Television spots only reach people if they choose to watch. Despite the multiple networks, there were plenty of other viewing options, including the off switch. The point is that people could opt out if they wanted to. You can't say the same about the robo-calls that have been the McCain campaign's preferred tactic.
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Also, don't underestimate McCain. Showing remarkable political nous, he has finally chosen to appear with Larry King, probably the only journalist who can make John McCain look relatively youthful.
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Also, don't underestimate McCain. Showing remarkable political nous, he has finally chosen to appear with Larry King, probably the only journalist who can make John McCain look relatively youthful.
Isn't that the truth? :)
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I want Obama to spend the money I have donated to his campaign. I enjoyed the infomercial last night. I was also trying to catch some of the Obama/Clinton rally.

I will be very sorry if on Wednesday morning, there is money left and Obama has lost.

I am proud to have cast my vote for the next president of the United States.

National polls my show McCain closing, but it has to be in the battleground states to make a difference.
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They've all been on tv, but not to this extent! I wish McCain was doing the same as Obama with these infomercials. You said McCain had his chance...do you mean to do 4 million dollar infomercials?
If you're nonplussed by the Obama show, why would you wish McCain was doing the same thing?

I think Cathy's point about McCain having his chance is that he was due to appear on Larry King nearly two months ago but blew him off in a hissy fit after CNN didn't show "due deference" or something, towards Sarah Palin. Now he's gone crawling back having remembered how much he needs the hated media.

Speaking of Sarah Palin, that blogger is indulging is false equivalences. If your message is strong enough, it shouldn't matter what you're wearing. But if you're going to play the good-hearted, simple hockey mom, you can't do it with a 6-figure wardrobe. Obama's money is being spent taking his message to the people and his clothes are his own. That's the difference. Might you, that writer lost all credibility much early in the piece with the race-baiting comment.
Excellent points as usual. I liked the Obama ad so much I donated $10 that could have gone towards beer. :cheers:
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Obama is virtually obliged to spend the money donated to his campaign in the best way possible. If he had left the money in the bank - and lost - then there would have been questions asked as to why he didn't spend the money to bolster his campaign enough.
If he is so confident that he will win this election, maybe he should have used that $4 million towards spreading the wealth for the good of the nation & practice what he preaches... :innocent:

Oh and I can't help but wonder where all this campaign money has come from....
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Maybe he could start with his Aunt.
How about his poor half-bother?
Obama's half brother

Or better yet, how about he "spread the wealth" with the rest of the middle-class Americans! Just think of what all this extra money he has laying around could do for the country! :whistle:

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Why wonder where the money is coming from? It's all on record - that's the law. Look it up. You can check out where McCain's money has come from while you're at it.

The money has been donated to the campaign and MUST be spent on the campaign. If Obama used it as his own personal fortune, that would be corruption..... which would explain why Republicans are suggesting he do just that. :P

His Aunt? People are getting pretty desperate now.
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You mentioned earlier that John Kerry had 5 mill left over...how did that happen...did the law change?
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False equivalence.

The fact that he had money left over doesn't mean that it was treated as his personal fortune to do with as he pleased. I don't know what eventually happened to the money. That can be your homework for today. ;)

But let's be clear on this: are you suggesting that Obama should use campaign donations to personally benefit his family?
If so then, 1) it's illegal and 2) I know exactly what you would say about it if he did.
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Obama is virtually obliged to spend the money donated to his campaign in the best way possible. If he had left the money in the bank - and lost - then there would have been questions asked as to why he didn't spend the money to bolster his campaign enough.
If he is so confident that he will win this election, maybe he should have used that $4 million towards spreading the wealth for the good of the nation & practice what he preaches... :innocent:

Oh and I can't help but wonder where all this campaign money has come from....
Over 3.1 million people have donated to the Obama campaign so far, mostly in smaller amounts like $5, $10, $20 and $50.
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From AOL News:
Amid a pastiche of American stories, the Democratic presidential nominee spent 30 minutes and more than $4 million of prepaid television time Wednesday delivering his final introduction to the public.

This election will be swayed by the media.
He who has the most air time wins? :ponder:
Don't forget that McCain was on Larry King right after Obama. Had McCain done the same thing, you would be saying that it was a great thing that he did. McCain had his chance.
They've all been on tv, but not to this extent! I wish McCain was doing the same as Obama with these infomercials. You said McCain had his chance...do you mean to do 4 million dollar infomercials?
Absolutely! If they have the money, and seeing all of the ads McCain has had he did have the money, than why couldn't he? Not saying that Obama took the right approach but McCain could have done the same thing if he wanted to, provided there was money in the coffers. Than I would've been even more less interested in watching and could've watched all of Pushing Daisies instead.
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They've all been on tv, but not to this extent! I wish McCain was doing the same as Obama with these infomercials. You said McCain had his chance...do you mean to do 4 million dollar infomercials?
If you're nonplussed by the Obama show, why would you wish McCain was doing the same thing?

I think Cathy's point about McCain having his chance is that he was due to appear on Larry King nearly two months ago but blew him off in a hissy fit after CNN didn't show "due deference" or something, towards Sarah Palin. Now he's gone crawling back having remembered how much he needs the hated media.

Speaking of Sarah Palin, that blogger is indulging is false equivalences. If your message is strong enough, it shouldn't matter what you're wearing. But if you're going to play the good-hearted, simple hockey mom, you can't do it with a 6-figure wardrobe. Obama's money is being spent taking his message to the people and his clothes are his own. That's the difference. Might you, that writer lost all credibility much early in the piece with the race-baiting comment.
Bill, actually I believe that some money went to Obama's clothing but nowhere near where the Republican's money went. I think his was maybe around $1500? Not totally sure but I think that was for one suit.

Yes, McCain had his chance of doing so much more with the money he received. He also had a great chance being right after his nomination went through to be on Larry King but he did have a hissy fit and withdrew from his interview just hours before going on air. That would've been a great chance for him being how there were a lot of people, including my household, that was watching CNN during both conventions. He probably would've gotten his message out to more people that night than he did during most of his own stumping and it wouldn't have cost him a thing.
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Obama is virtually obliged to spend the money donated to his campaign in the best way possible. If he had left the money in the bank - and lost - then there would have been questions asked as to why he didn't spend the money to bolster his campaign enough.
If he is so confident that he will win this election, maybe he should have used that $4 million towards spreading the wealth for the good of the nation & practice what he preaches... :innocent:

Oh and I can't help but wonder where all this campaign money has come from....
People like me, is where a good deal of his campaign money is coming from. He started a grassroot fundraising effort through his website before getting money from celebrities. Don't forget, he was a community organizer who knew how to raise money for community projects.

Your comment on his spreading the wealth with his campaign money is uncalled for. That is called corruption and possible voter manipulation. You can not give money to people during a campaign unless it is for campaign expenses. The law frowns on that.
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An auditor for the Federal Election Commission is attempting to have his bosses seek a formal investigation into the collection by the Obama for President campaign of more than $200 million in potentially illegal political donations, including millions of dollars of illegal, foreign donations, and has sought a request for assistance from the Department of Justice or Federal Bureau of Investigation. But the analyst's requests have largely been ignored. "I can't get anyone to move. I believe we are looking at a hijacking of our political system that makes the Clinton and Gore fundraising scandals pale in comparison. And no one here wants to touch it."

One reasons cited by his superiors, says the analyst, is that involvement by the Justice Department or FBI would be indicative of a criminal investigation, something the FEC would prefer not take place a month before the presidential election. Such actions, though, have been used to scuttle Republican campaigns in the past, the most famous being the Weinberger case in the days leading up to the 1992 re-election bid of President George H.W. Bush.

The analyst, who declines to be identified for fear of retribution, says that on four different occasions in the past three months, he sought to open formal investigations into the Obama campaign's fundraising techniques, but those investigations have been discouraged. "Without formal approval, I can't get the resources I need, manpower, that kind of thing. This is a huge undertaking." And the analyst says that he believes that campaign finance violations have occurred.

The Obama campaign has already had to deal with several FEC complaints about fraudulent donors and illegal foreign contributions, and the FEC says it has no record that those complaints have been resolved or closed. As well, the Obama campaign has been cagey at times about the means by which it has made its historic fundraising hauls, which now total almost $500 million for the election cycle. The Hillary Clinton campaign raised questions about the huge amount of e-retail sales the Obama campaign was making for such things as t-shirts and other campaign paraphernalia, and how such sales were being tracked and used for fundraising purposes. While the profits of those items counted against the $2,300 personal donation limit, there have always been lingering questions about the e-retail system.

"The question has always been, if you buy a $25 t-shirt and you go back to that purchaser eight or nine times with email appeals for $200 or $500 donations, and you have people donating like that all the time, at what point does the campaign bother to check if the FEC limit has been exceeded?" says a former Clinton campaign fundraiser. "There are enough of us from the 1992 and 1996 and 2000 races around to know that many of these kinds of violations never get caught until after the election has been won or lost. In this case, there is no way the Obama campaign will be held accountable before Election Day, unless someone raises holy hell."

The FEC analyst says that Obama's filings indicate he has received large, bundled sums of donations from overseas, sometimes exceeding a quarter millions dollars. "It's suspicious, but it's the small donations made by credit card that need to be examined. We've raised red flags on many of these and the Obama campaign just ignores us. After this election, after we've sifted through everything -- if we're allowed to sift through everything -- I am confident that we are looking at perhaps the largest fine every leveled against a national campaign entity."

Just as frustrating as the lack of desire on the part of his bosses to act, says the analyst, is that major media outlets have ignored the story he has been attempting to tell. Thus far, Newsmax is one of the few publications to cover the Obama campaign finance scam story.
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That can be your homework for today. ;)

OK, Mr. Bill; I'll turn in my assignment first thing Monday morning! :rofl:

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But let's be clear on this: are you suggesting that Obama should use campaign donations to personally benefit his family?

No. Not only would that be illegal, it would be unethical.

I jokingly suggested he spread the "extra" wealth with the rest of the poor Americans that he keeps saying needs the break. I realize that specific donations must be used towards the election.

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Your comment on his spreading the wealth with his campaign money is uncalled for. That is called corruption and possible voter manipulation. You can not give money to people during a campaign unless it is for campaign expenses. The law frowns on that.
I was being facetious. :duh:
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Put a puppet on it.
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The Obama campaign has already had to deal with several FEC complaints about fraudulent donors and illegal foreign contributions, and the FEC says it has no record that those complaints have been resolved or closed.



Dammit Andy and Bill. I told you not to send in those $5 bills! Geesh, why didn't you listen? :giggle:

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The Hillary Clinton campaign raised questions about the huge amount of e-retail sales the Obama campaign was making for such things as t-shirts and other campaign paraphernalia, and how such sales were being tracked and used for fundraising purposes. While the profits of those items counted against the $2,300 personal donation limit, there have always been lingering questions about the e-retail system.




Hillary should know. She likely did the same thing.

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"The question has always been, if you buy a $25 t-shirt and you go back to that purchaser eight or nine times with email appeals for $200 or $500 donations, and you have people donating like that all the time, at what point does the campaign bother to check if the FEC limit has been exceeded?" says a former Clinton campaign fundraiser.


What they have done is if you donate x amount of dollars you could get whatever is on the screen like a tshirt or a button. You don't have to donate that amount of money, you could donate less. If you want to get something similar, there are other places to go but the money stops with that vendor. They do send out emails for more money but you don't have to do it. The fill-in form is the same as other charitable online fill-in forms.

The tshirt or other paraphernalia that is actually bought is not technically a donation. You are sending money for merchandise. McCain and almost any other candidates have done the same. I think that money goes back to the party but not totally sure on that.
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I don't think Obama's campaign bought him any clothing. He paid for his own.

I made a lot of small donations, between $5 and $25. I know they did not add up to $2300. I did check on a map of my donations and it showed me at around $200.

Obama gear that is bought from his site counts as a donation. I bought some with cash at our local office and they had me fill out the election form.

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Cool, Bill. Now I can check on all of my neighbors!
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I bet the Republicans would be singing a different tune if there were more people who actually wanted to wear McCain t-shirts. :giggle: It's all kind of ironic coming from the party of free enterprise.
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It appears I donated $256 during the primaries and $357 during the general election. I doubt that is going to buy me any favors. I have not made any donations since I lost my job.
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I bet the Republicans would be singing a different tune if there were more people who actually wanted to wear McCain t-shirts. :giggle: It's all kind of ironic coming from the party of free enterprise.
I have seen some. Not many but some. Some bumper stickers, too. Those aren't free.
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This is all pretty desperate stuff. I hear the sound of straws being clutched at.

There is no scandal, there is no impropriety, there is no corruption.

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Cathy, it is much easier to find things on the Huffington Post than it is on the large FEC database. My donations had been updated through the 3rd quarter, so that is final.
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Cathy, it is much easier to find things on the Huffington Post than it is on the large FEC database. My donations had been updated through the 3rd quarter, so that is final.
But this is kind of fun.
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Yes, I have looked up some friends and my neighborhood on the Huffington Post. Some of my friends' donations really surprised me. I knew they were serious about this, but I didn't know how serious.
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I bet the Republicans would be singing a different tune if there were more people who actually wanted to wear McCain t-shirts. :giggle: It's all kind of ironic coming from the party of free enterprise.
I haven't seen anyone in person wearing either a McCain or Obama shirt...just car and lawn posters.
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This is all pretty desperate stuff. I hear the sound of straws being clutched at.

There is no scandal, there is no impropriety, there is no corruption.

The herrings are red, people, the herrings are red.
Desperate times require desperate measures... :giggle:
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I don't usually do bumper stickers, but I got one of those, a pin, which I wear every day, even to work, and my OBAMARAMA t-shirt. :yes:
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Same campaign garbage, different same election.
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