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2008 U.S. Presidential Election
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Good post, Cathy. Some of us have met and got to know MaryAnn - I feel confident in knowing she isn't a hater. She is a kind, lovely person as is the rest of her family. As Cathy has pointed out, there is a lot of information out there and it takes some doing to figure it all out. Perhaps MaryAnn will elaborate on her concerns.
I agree with you both. I'll be glad when the election is over and we can all start pulling together as one nation, instead of the two that are being created as a result of all this fear-mongering and mudslinging from both sides. :(



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Good post, Cathy. Some of us have met and got to know MaryAnn - I feel confident in knowing she isn't a hater. She is a kind, lovely person as is the rest of her family. As Cathy has pointed out, there is a lot of information out there and it takes some doing to figure it all out. Perhaps MaryAnn will elaborate on her concerns.
I agree with you both. I'll be glad when the election is over and we can all start pulling together as one nation, instead of the two that are being created as a result of all this fear-mongering and mudslinging from both sides. :(



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Maryann, how much did you pay them to talk sweet about you. :giggle: :P :D
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Wow! wackdoo animation is frantastic. I love the flames. :D
Why, thank you. I have a friend who is great at animation!!! As for the flames, they are perfect in light of the craziness surrounding me right now. I can barely breathe with our poor air quality.
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Wow! wackdoo animation is frantastic. I love the flames. :D
Why, thank you. I have a friend who is great at animation!!! As for the flames, they are perfect in light of the craziness surrounding me right now. I can barely breathe with our poor air quality.
Oh man! as isabella would say. You need to get out and go to your cabin. I hear the mountain are nice at this time of the year. You have a great friend.
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And having seen that hate spewed right here, I also fear for Obama's safety--both between now and the election and after the election. It is a very sad world we live in.

I still can't believe Mary Ann's post. My last name may sound American, whatever that is, but it's origins are from England.

Mary Ann, does your post mean that a Hispanic cannot be president? All of our names, except for Native American names, did not originate in this country.

I am still so offended and angry by that post. I can't believe I read it here and that I think she is serious. :(

Even my Rush Limbaugh loving former boss never came up with anything as hateful as this post.
Why can't we talk without getting so angry? I only mentioned the names in light of 911. I guess having a president with Hussein in his name is a bit scarey and Obama and Osama are so close, it makes me uneasy. I find it hard to believe that no one else was just a little uneasy with that. If I offended you Linda, I am sorry. I didn't want to do that. I should have left that comment out.

I actually like the idea of having an African American president but I don't want one who is racist. I hope he isn't but some of his connections in the past are very questionable.

I live in an area that is more Hispanic than Caucasian and I don't have a problem with that. I teach with many wonderful Hispanic people, I live next door to a wonderful Hispanic family, and I am in love with the young Hispanic girl who lives with us. Do I have a problem with a Hispanic president? Of course not, as long as he or she didn't have ties with radical organizations or people. That's my point.
















I also wrote many posts in response to your post, which I have sent to the Obama campaign. You chose to respond to only the last one and not answer all the other questions I raised. I asked if you wrote the post or if it came from some right wing blog, etc. I have now found out that it did.

I did my research on Obama a long time ago. Obama is not Osama. That should be clear by now. Obama has been in this race for two years. Nobody should be claiming ignorance on that idea. You are an intelligent person, so please stop confusing the two.

What is wrong with casting a vote for a man named Barack Hussein Obama. Obama had nothing to do with 9/11. Nothing. He is not a Muslim and has no ties to al queda.

The anger came from your original post. It was full of hate, Mary Ann. That cannot be denied.
No, it did not come from any conservative blog. I am reading varied literature and watching different news channels to get the various slants.

I will reiterate that I hate no one. I could never hate Obama but I am concerned with this election as everyone else on this thread seems to be. Don't equate concern with hate. If you knew me, you would know that it isn't in my character to hate anyone.

Oh, and as for my being racial against Obama...I have had a 'secret' crush on Denzel Washington for years and is more African American than Obama is! Now, if he ran, I would be running his campaign!!! Seriously, I am not racist, Linda and the secret crush isn't so secret among my family and close friends. :wub:
Define racist? Is a racist a person who perfer to be with their own race? I want to know what is racist? because, I am confused. and, I know Maryann isn't a racist. I Could be more define as a racist. because, in order for me to be acttive to a black man he got be cute and have a lot money. however, I have lots of black friends.

P.S. In order for me to be with a white man or mexican the same applies. :lol: :D Cute/Money
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EVIAN, FRANCE


PREPARE for a new America: That's the message that the Rev. Jesse Jackson conveyed to participants in the first World Policy Forum, held at this French lakeside resort last week.

He promised "fundamental changes" in US foreign policy - saying America must "heal wounds" it has caused to other nations, revive its alliances and apologize for the "arrogance of the Bush administration."

The most important change would occur in the Middle East, where "decades of putting Israel's interests first" would end.

Jackson believes that, although "Zionists who have controlled American policy for decades" remain strong, they'll lose a great deal of their clout when Barack Obama enters the White House.

"Obama is about change," Jackson told me in a wide-ranging conversation. "And the change that Obama promises is not limited to what we do in America itself. It is a change of the way America looks at the world and its place in it."

Jackson warns that he isn't an Obama confidant or adviser, "just a supporter." But he adds that Obama has been "a neighbor or, better still, a member of the family." Jackson's son has been a close friend of Obama for years, and Jackson's daughter went to school with Obama's wife Michelle.

"We helped him start his career," says Jackson. "And then we were always there to help him move ahead. He is the continuation of our struggle for justice not only for the black people but also for all those who have been wronged."

Will Obama's election close the chapter of black grievances linked to memories of slavery? The reverend takes a deep breath and waits a long time before responding.

"No, that chapter won't be closed," he says. "However, Obama's victory will be a huge step in the direction we have wanted America to take for decades."

Jackson rejects any suggestion that Obama was influenced by Marxist ideas in his youth. "I see no evidence of that," he says. "Obama's thirst for justice and equality is rooted in his black culture."

But is Obama - who's not a descendant of slaves - truly a typical American black?

Jackson emphatically answers yes: "You don't need to be a descendant of slaves to experience the oppression, the suffocating injustice and the ugly racism that exists in our society," he says. "Obama experienced the same environment as all American blacks did. It was nonsense to suggest that he was somehow not black enough to feel the pain."

Is Jackson worried about the "Bradley effect" - that people may be telling pollsters they favor the black candidate, but won't end up voting for him?

This is the first half of an article I found from the New York Post. I highlighted in red a statement about Zionists. Who are the Zionists, exactly, that control American policy? Is he referring to Jews? If so, don't a lot of Jews support Obama? I'm very curious.
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Doesn't it bother anyone else besides me that he has not one, not two, but 3 non American names? And please...don't play the racist card with me.
3 points:

He is American. Born. Raised. Blood. There is no two ways about it. John Smith is more American than Proud Hawk from this twisted perspective.

Does America pride itself on being a land of many origins or not?

My name is not American. I would assume that means the idea of someone with the same name leading the nation is scary to you if I didn't know what you really meant by "non American".

See you all in another few months!
Thanks, Fiona. I always appreciate your input. I do understand what you are saying. I think that the whole 911 incident and the fact that we actually trained the pilots for that destruction makes me a little fearful. We all had some connection to that tragedy. My sister lives 2 hours from the Twin Towers and I grew up 1 hour from Shanksville, Pa. I went there to visit 2 years ago when I took my mom back there for her final resting place and I can't even begin to tell you how it affected me to see the field where it landed and to hear the stories from people who saw it happen. If I offended you, I am sorry. I do regret the comment about the name in the sense of how it was perceived. I miss you and hope you are well.
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Wow! wackdoo animation is frantastic. I love the flames. :D
Why, thank you. I have a friend who is great at animation!!! As for the flames, they are perfect in light of the craziness surrounding me right now. I can barely breathe with our poor air quality.
Oh man! as isabella would say. You need to get out and go to your cabin. I hear the mountain are nice at this time of the year. You have a great friend.
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EVIAN, FRANCE


PREPARE for a new America: That's the message that the Rev. Jesse Jackson conveyed to participants in the first World Policy Forum, held at this French lakeside resort last week.

He promised "fundamental changes" in US foreign policy - saying America must "heal wounds" it has caused to other nations, revive its alliances and apologize for the "arrogance of the Bush administration."

The most important change would occur in the Middle East, where "decades of putting Israel's interests first" would end.

Jackson believes that, although "Zionists who have controlled American policy for decades" remain strong, they'll lose a great deal of their clout when Barack Obama enters the White House.

"Obama is about change," Jackson told me in a wide-ranging conversation. "And the change that Obama promises is not limited to what we do in America itself. It is a change of the way America looks at the world and its place in it."

Jackson warns that he isn't an Obama confidant or adviser, "just a supporter." But he adds that Obama has been "a neighbor or, better still, a member of the family." Jackson's son has been a close friend of Obama for years, and Jackson's daughter went to school with Obama's wife Michelle.

"We helped him start his career," says Jackson. "And then we were always there to help him move ahead. He is the continuation of our struggle for justice not only for the black people but also for all those who have been wronged."

Will Obama's election close the chapter of black grievances linked to memories of slavery? The reverend takes a deep breath and waits a long time before responding.

"No, that chapter won't be closed," he says. "However, Obama's victory will be a huge step in the direction we have wanted America to take for decades."

Jackson rejects any suggestion that Obama was influenced by Marxist ideas in his youth. "I see no evidence of that," he says. "Obama's thirst for justice and equality is rooted in his black culture."

But is Obama - who's not a descendant of slaves - truly a typical American black?

Jackson emphatically answers yes: "You don't need to be a descendant of slaves to experience the oppression, the suffocating injustice and the ugly racism that exists in our society," he says. "Obama experienced the same environment as all American blacks did. It was nonsense to suggest that he was somehow not black enough to feel the pain."

Is Jackson worried about the "Bradley effect" - that people may be telling pollsters they favor the black candidate, but won't end up voting for him?

This is the first half of an article I found from the New York Post. I highlighted in red a statement about Zionists. Who are the Zionists, exactly, that control American policy? Is he referring to Jews? If so, don't a lot of Jews support Obama? I'm very curious.
I have wondered this same thing.
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Jackson warns that he isn't an Obama confidant or adviser, "just a supporter."

"We helped him start his career," says Jackson. "And then we were always there to help him move ahead. He is the continuation of our struggle for justice not only for the black people but also for all those who have been wronged."

Heh heh, but if he starts "talking down" to black folk again, Jesse will follow up on his promise to "cut his n*ts out"!

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Oct 14 2008, 06:48 AM
Obviously you have never been to a Yankees game.
Actually I was weaned at Yankee Stadium... B)
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In the interests of showing an "informed electorate"...

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Oct 14 2008, 07:07 PM
You are are stereotyping us.


Like Obama has stated about the half and untruths thrown about him, you push we have to answer.
I am am not!

And here are some examples of "answers" from the left you likely will not see on MSNBC or CNN (or any of the mainstream media filters for that matter):

http://michellemalkin.com/2008/10/12/crush-the-obamedia-narrative-look-whos-gripped-by-insane-rage/

It's a long page, with lots of examples. Consider the information, referenced as it is, and not the source.

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I will look at this in a minute, offset.

Does anyone find it a bit odd that there is a 24 hour a day "Obama" TV station here in the United States? That seems extreme for a U.S. Senator...maybe even a bit presumptuous? I think McCain would be highly criticized for that one.
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...offset.
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Doesn't it bother anyone else besides me that he has not one, not two, but 3 non American names? And please...don't play the racist card with me.
3 points:

He is American. Born. Raised. Blood. There is no two ways about it. John Smith is more American than Proud Hawk from this twisted perspective.

Does America pride itself on being a land of many origins or not?

My name is not American. I would assume that means the idea of someone with the same name leading the nation is scary to you if I didn't know what you really meant by "non American".

See you all in another few months!
Thanks, Fiona. I always appreciate your input. I do understand what you are saying. I think that the whole 911 incident and the fact that we actually trained the pilots for that destruction makes me a little fearful. We all had some connection to that tragedy. My sister lives 2 hours from the Twin Towers and I grew up 1 hour from Shanksville, Pa. I went there to visit 2 years ago when I took my mom back there for her final resting place and I can't even begin to tell you how it affected me to see the field where it landed and to hear the stories from people who saw it happen. If I offended you, I am sorry. I do regret the comment about the name in the sense of how it was perceived. I miss you and hope you are well.
This is worse than any other comments about names here.

Va. GOP head reportedly links Obama to bin Laden

Tuesday, Oct 14, 2008 - 09:16 AM Updated: 03:42 PM

Republican presidential candidate John McCain has disavowed a comment by state party chairman Jeffrey M. Frederick that links Democratic candidate Barack Obama with terrorist Osama Bin Laden. Speaking on a Richmond radio station, McCain dismissed Frederick, elected chairman earlier this year, as "somebody nobody knows about" and said his campaign had repudiated the remark. McCain also told WRVA talk show host Jimmy Barrett that he was "off base" in comparing Frederick's remark with those of Rep. John Lewis, a Georgia Democrat and veteran of the civil rights movement who compared the Republican's campaign last week with the segregationist politics of former Alabama Gov. George Wallace.

"Don't compare the two, my friend," said McCain, who referred to Frederick as "some...individual in the Republican Party of the state of Virginia."

Frederick, a 33-year-old delegate from Prince William County, was elected chairman of the state party last spring, ousting former Lt. Gov. John H. Hager. The latest issue of Time magazine said Frederick, made the comment while referring to Obama's alleged links to 1960s radical William Ayers. Time said Frederick, speaking to a group of volunteers for the McCain campaign, said Obama and bin Laden "both have friends that bombed the Pentagon. That is scary."

Frederick's reported comments surface days after Lewis, an Obama supporter, said McCain and his running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, were "sowing the seeds of hatred and division." Lewis later said he didn't intend to link McCain to Wallace. McCain called today on Obama to personally repudiate Lewis' comments.
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Good post, Cathy. Some of us have met and got to know MaryAnn - I feel confident in knowing she isn't a hater. She is a kind, lovely person as is the rest of her family. As Cathy has pointed out, there is a lot of information out there and it takes some doing to figure it all out. Perhaps MaryAnn will elaborate on her concerns.
I agree with you both. I'll be glad when the election is over and we can all start pulling together as one nation, instead of the two that are being created as a result of all this fear-mongering and mudslinging from both sides. :(



You are both sweet and Cathy, too!!!
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Good post, Cathy. Some of us have met and got to know MaryAnn - I feel confident in knowing she isn't a hater. She is a kind, lovely person as is the rest of her family. As Cathy has pointed out, there is a lot of information out there and it takes some doing to figure it all out. Perhaps MaryAnn will elaborate on her concerns.
I agree with you both. I'll be glad when the election is over and we can all start pulling together as one nation, instead of the two that are being created as a result of all this fear-mongering and mudslinging from both sides. :(



You are both sweet and Cathy, too!!!
Maryann, how much did you pay them to talk sweet about you. :giggle: :P :D
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EVIAN, FRANCE


PREPARE for a new America: That's the message that the Rev. Jesse Jackson conveyed to participants in the first World Policy Forum, held at this French lakeside resort last week.

He promised "fundamental changes" in US foreign policy - saying America must "heal wounds" it has caused to other nations, revive its alliances and apologize for the "arrogance of the Bush administration."

The most important change would occur in the Middle East, where "decades of putting Israel's interests first" would end.

Jackson believes that, although "Zionists who have controlled American policy for decades" remain strong, they'll lose a great deal of their clout when Barack Obama enters the White House.

"Obama is about change," Jackson told me in a wide-ranging conversation. "And the change that Obama promises is not limited to what we do in America itself. It is a change of the way America looks at the world and its place in it."

Jackson warns that he isn't an Obama confidant or adviser, "just a supporter." But he adds that Obama has been "a neighbor or, better still, a member of the family." Jackson's son has been a close friend of Obama for years, and Jackson's daughter went to school with Obama's wife Michelle.

"We helped him start his career," says Jackson. "And then we were always there to help him move ahead. He is the continuation of our struggle for justice not only for the black people but also for all those who have been wronged."

Will Obama's election close the chapter of black grievances linked to memories of slavery? The reverend takes a deep breath and waits a long time before responding.

"No, that chapter won't be closed," he says. "However, Obama's victory will be a huge step in the direction we have wanted America to take for decades."

Jackson rejects any suggestion that Obama was influenced by Marxist ideas in his youth. "I see no evidence of that," he says. "Obama's thirst for justice and equality is rooted in his black culture."

But is Obama - who's not a descendant of slaves - truly a typical American black?

Jackson emphatically answers yes: "You don't need to be a descendant of slaves to experience the oppression, the suffocating injustice and the ugly racism that exists in our society," he says. "Obama experienced the same environment as all American blacks did. It was nonsense to suggest that he was somehow not black enough to feel the pain."

Is Jackson worried about the "Bradley effect" - that people may be telling pollsters they favor the black candidate, but won't end up voting for him?

This is the first half of an article I found from the New York Post. I highlighted in red a statement about Zionists. Who are the Zionists, exactly, that control American policy? Is he referring to Jews? If so, don't a lot of Jews support Obama? I'm very curious.
Actually I believe in this context that he is referring to the Israelis. As for Jackson, a man I used to admire, being an Obama supporter........I would say at best he is an outside man. Totally outside the Obama supporter thoughts and ideas.
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Hey don't forget to watch the debates (like I had to remind anyone... :P )...as if it will change anyone's minds here... :lol:
But I look forward with great anticipation the knocking down of anything McCain has to say here and on the "news" and the continued Obama worship tomorrow... :whistle:
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I will look at this in a minute, offset.

Does anyone find it a bit odd that there is a 24 hour a day "Obama" TV station here in the United States? That seems extreme for a U.S. Senator...maybe even a bit presumptuous? I think McCain would be highly criticized for that one.
Didn't know there was one. I know he has a stuff on his website when he is on live but no tv station.
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There's generalisation in your comments, that's why people are bothered like I am. Not all Muslims are terrorists. George W. Bush is not a Muslin and look at his government...

Thanks. I know I shouldn't worry about a name. Its such an important election and I think we are all very passionate about the affect it will have on everyone everywhere.
Actually, Maryann, I think it would show the world that we are ready to move on.
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Oct 14 2008, 06:36 AM
If people really can't tell the difference between standing in opposition an inciting hatred, that disturbs me.
Does this incite any hatred in your book, Bill? :ponder:

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I will look at this in a minute, offset.

Does anyone find it a bit odd that there is a 24 hour a day "Obama" TV station here in the United States? That seems extreme for a U.S. Senator...maybe even a bit presumptuous? I think McCain would be highly criticized for that one.
Didn't know there was one. I know he has a stuff on his website when he is on live but no tv station.
I think it is sad that I don't even have my own t.v. station.
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Oct 14 2008, 05:22 PM
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Oct 13 2008, 11:30 PM
How many Obama supporters have gone to rallies and shouted about killing McCain? That's all you need to know.
How many times has the threat to "kill him!" been heard at McCain/Palin rallies? I've heard it only once. That one soundbite. Yet the smear is in, as you and others give the blanket characterization that somehow a "mob" of racists frothing at the mouth harbors such feelings at each rally and yells such hateful things. You have much in common with the mainstream media in that regard, and another reason more and more people find themselves questioning each and every story from the mainstream media with the assumption (to me a prudent one) that the reader is being manipulated or even outright lied to.

And the talented reporter out to reveal the backwards and bigoted ignorance the liberals would have people believe is festering at McCain rallies, did not in any way reveal a "mob" despite his goading. The folks there were restrained and not at all violent, and most were not tricked into saying Obama is a terrorist for one of the left's treasured "gotcha" moments, later to be played endlessly as that cartoonish Keith Olbermann gravely intones with pronouncements falsely and disingenuously implying that the McCain supporters are somehow all like this. That is stereotyping at its worst and most inflammatory.
There were a few boos that came up at an Obama speech yesterday. He immediately said, "No, we don't need that. we just need to vote."

That, my friend, is class.
As for the Republicans, the world is watching.
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Oct 14 2008, 08:19 PM
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Oct 14 2008, 06:59 AM

As to the warnings about terrorism, were those relayed before or after they had finished popping all the "W's" off all the keyboards? (I know, grow up.) ;) :rofl:
The popping of the Ws never happened. That was a fabricated story.
Are you sure that didn't happen, Bill? Just curious. I had heard that as well.
http://archive.salon.com/politics/feature/2001/05/23/vandals/print.html
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Oct 14 2008, 09:14 PM
In the interests of showing an "informed electorate"...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyvqhdllXgU
So you you still want to talk about cherry-picking idiots, "gotcha" questions and unrepresentative samples?
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Oct 15 2008, 12:14 AM
There were a few boos that came up at an Obama speech yesterday. He immediately said, "No, we don't need that. we just need to vote."

That, my friend, is class.
As for the Republicans, the world is watching.
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If people really can't tell the difference between standing in opposition an inciting hatred, that disturbs me.
Does this incite any hatred in your book, Bill? :ponder:

Halloween Display
What do you think?

It's obviously offensive to both of them. I have my disagreements with John McCain but I'd never compare him to a klansman.

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Oct 15 2008, 12:14 AM
There were a few boos that came up at an Obama speech yesterday. He immediately said, "No, we don't need that. we just need to vote."

That, my friend, is class.
As for the Republicans, the world is watching.
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whoopdedoo for him! :roll:
Right, so you've got not time for showing credit where due? A candidate actually does the right thing and because you've already decided you don't like him, you respond with sarcasm.

This is in stark contrast to the Obama supporters who gave McCain credit where due for stopping the idiots at his own rally.

Very disappointing behaviour. :no:
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Oct 15 2008, 12:14 AM
There were a few boos that came up at an Obama speech yesterday. He immediately said, "No, we don't need that. we just need to vote."

That, my friend, is class.
As for the Republicans, the world is watching.
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whoopdedoo for him! :roll:
Right, so you've got not time for showing credit where due? A candidate actually does the right thing and because you've already decided you don't like him, you respond with sarcasm.

This is in stark contrast to the Obama supporters who gave McCain credit where due for stopping the idiots at his own rally.

Very disappointing behaviour. :no:
Has nothing to do with me liking a candidate; I already said I like Obama but not for president.

To second guess your next question, you may ask "what is my point, then?" Well, frankly, I'm sick of the Obama worship when he says something that is considered noble for him but there is little of the same consideration for McCain's camp...and I'm not really referring to this message board. And you confirmed that with your remark:
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You're claiming double standards where there are none. If Obama had behaved like the Republican crowd and the Republican crowd had behaved like Obama, then I'd be complimenting the Republicans and criticising Obama.

But it didn't happen that way. If you wonder why Republicans get such a bad rap, take a look at the way some of them behave.

I've already said that a bit of booing and jeering is what happens at political campaigns and I don't blame anyone for it. But it's very telling that Obama told them to cool it, Palin whips it up, and McCain only balked when someone called out "terrorist!" There IS a difference.
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It's obviously offensive to both of them. I have my disagreements with John McCain but I'd never compare him to a klansman.

After this comment, I won't even watch that video.
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Does anyone find it a bit odd that there is a 24 hour a day "Obama" TV station here in the United States? That seems extreme for a U.S. Senator...maybe even a bit presumptuous? I think McCain would be highly criticized for that one.
I have not seen a television station like this. Where do I find it?
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It's obviously offensive to both of them. I have my disagreements with John McCain but I'd never compare him to a klansman.

After this comment, I won't even watch that video.
It's not a video.

You'll readily watch anti-Palin propaganda, but not this? :ponder:
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You're claiming double standards where there are none. If Obama had behaved like the Republican crowd and the Republican crowd had behaved like Obama, then I'd be complimenting the Republicans and criticising Obama.

But it didn't happen that way. If you wonder why Republicans get such a bad rap, take a look at the way some of them behave.

I've already said that a bit of booing and jeering is what happens at political campaigns and I don't blame anyone for it. But it's very telling that Obama told them to cool it, Palin whips it up, and McCain only balked when someone called out "terrorist!" There IS a difference.
I disagree.

You are lumping "Republicans" into hate groups. The media looks to make a big issue out of a few morons who decide to yell slurs. And the only reason you heard them is because the media out there is looking to report such behavior to discredit Republicans.

Just because you don't hear reports of this "severity" happening from the Dems, don't think it doesn't happen. I already gave you one example with the KKK display. Don't kid yourself; there is hatred is on both sides.
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You're claiming double standards where there are none. If Obama had behaved like the Republican crowd and the Republican crowd had behaved like Obama, then I'd be complimenting the Republicans and criticising Obama.

But it didn't happen that way. If you wonder why Republicans get such a bad rap, take a look at the way some of them behave.

I've already said that a bit of booing and jeering is what happens at political campaigns and I don't blame anyone for it. But it's very telling that Obama told them to cool it, Palin whips it up, and McCain only balked when someone called out "terrorist!" There IS a difference.
I disagree.

You are lumping "Republicans" into hate groups. The media looks to make a big issue out of a few morons who decide to yell slurs. And the only reason you heard them is because the media out there is looking to report such behavior to discredit Republicans.

Just because you don't hear reports of this "severity" happening from the Dems, don't think it doesn't happen. I already gave you one example with the KKK display. Don't kid yourself; there is hatred is on both sides.
We know there is hatred on both sides. It all depends on how it gets handled. Remember way back when the first time we met Sarah Palin's family and many publicly criticized her for having a down syndrome child (especially when she knew there was a major possibility) and for her daughter being unwed and pregnant? You remember who put a complete stop to the public criticisms? Or how about the person who stated not once or twice but many times that John McCain has done a lot for this country and deserves our respect? Was it Ralph Nader or his running mate Gonzalez? Was it Hillary or Bill? Bush or Cheney?

Bill said some Republicans and not all.

That Halloween display is despicable but I have no doubt that there are other such displays for all of the major candidates for President/Vice President. I can't put it past a small, narrow minded, bigoted American that do things like that.

It was big of McCain (whoopdedoo as you say) to have tried to rein in Sarah and his political machine on throwing the bad comments about Obama. The thing is, he should've done so right away. We all know how crazy some Americans are and I truly fear for Obama's life. However, I still want to take that chance and have him as the President.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/14/christopher-buckley-resig_n_134628.html

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I disagree.

You are lumping "Republicans" into hate groups. The media looks to make a big issue out of a few morons who decide to yell slurs. And the only reason you heard them is because the media out there is looking to report such behavior to discredit Republicans.

Just because you don't hear reports of this "severity" happening from the Dems, don't think it doesn't happen. I already gave you one example with the KKK display. Don't kid yourself; there is hatred is on both sides.
I'm not lumping Republicans in with hate groups, I'm telling you how it looks.

If you saw reports from another country where crowd members called out "kill him," what would you think?

I have continually asked someone to give me an example of similar hate-speech coming from Democratic rallies and nobody has. You say it happens, it just doesn't get reported. Give me a break! Are there no cameras at Dem rallies? Come on! And yet for all that lack of evidence, you're still positive it happens? Sounds a bit WMD to me. :P
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Or how about the person who stated not once or twice but many times that John McCain has done a lot for this country and deserves our respect? Was it Ralph Nader or his running mate Gonzalez? Was it Hillary or Bill? Bush or Cheney?
We all remember what Bush and Cheney said about John Mcain....


don't we? :ponder:
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Does anyone find it a bit odd that there is a 24 hour a day "Obama" TV station here in the United States? That seems extreme for a U.S. Senator...maybe even a bit presumptuous? I think McCain would be highly criticized for that one.
I have not seen a television station like this. Where do I find it?
I saw it on Dish Network and the station was called 'Obama.' It hit me in a strange way. I don't recall any former politicians having their own television station. Not even someone as rich as Oprah has that.
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http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/choice2008/


I highly recommend this, no matter who you may be supporting. Very interesting, very illuminating.
Give yourself a couple of hours, if you watch uninterrupted. Of course, the beauty of watching online is that you can pause for an "eat and pee" break. :)




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Does anyone find it a bit odd that there is a 24 hour a day "Obama" TV station here in the United States? That seems extreme for a U.S. Senator...maybe even a bit presumptuous? I think McCain would be highly criticized for that one.
I have not seen a television station like this. Where do I find it?
I saw it on Dish Network and the station was called 'Obama.' It hit me in a strange way. I don't recall any former politicians having their own television station. Not even someone as rich as Oprah has that.
I found it. Here is the link to Obama t.v station on dish network

http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2008/10/01/dish-network-now-has-obama-channel

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Does anyone find it a bit odd that there is a 24 hour a day "Obama" TV station here in the United States? That seems extreme for a U.S. Senator...maybe even a bit presumptuous? I think McCain would be highly criticized for that one.
I have not seen a television station like this. Where do I find it?
I saw it on Dish Network and the station was called 'Obama.' It hit me in a strange way. I don't recall any former politicians having their own television station. Not even someone as rich as Oprah has that.
I found it. Here is the link to Obama t.v station on dish network

http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2008/10/01/dish-network-now-has-obama-channel

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You are are stereotyping us.


Like Obama has stated about the half and untruths thrown about him, you push we have to answer.
I am am not!

And here are some examples of "answers" from the left you likely will not see on MSNBC or CNN (or any of the mainstream media filters for that matter):

http://michellemalkin.com/2008/10/12/crush-the-obamedia-narrative-look-whos-gripped-by-insane-rage/

It's a long page, with lots of examples. Consider the information, referenced as it is, and not the source.
That is pretty disgusting material. Honestly, I have no respect for Madonna after that. And who does she think SHE is after all? And her little buddy, Sandra? Now THAT is true hate, people. I felt like I was watching the devil himself!!
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I often feel that way when I think of Michelle Malkin. She's one to read if you want Ann Coulter to seem witty. :roll:
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Many pages ago, I asked for examples of people at Democratic rallies calling McCain a terrorist or a traitor or saying "kill him!" or something similar.
All I have seen since is some whipped-up outrage over some idiotic fringe-dwellers. Nothing at any of the campaigns.

I don't blame the Democratic campaign, or Democrats in general, for an outburst at a Madonna concert any more than I blame the Republican campaign, or Republicans in general, for Ted Nugent brandishing a pair of machine guns and saying "Hey Obama, suck on one of these - he's a worthless piece of sh*t."
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=vy8RIiTyhMI&e

No-one has yet shown any evidence that Democratic gatherings bear any similarity to some to the hate we've seen at Republican stops. People keep saying the same things happen on both sides, yet not one camera or microphone has managed to capture it. That stretches my credulity, especially when we know that Hannity and Limbaugh would have it playing on a loop until election day if they could - but they can't.
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I often feel that way when I think of Michelle Malkin. She's one to read if you want Ann Coulter to seem witty. :roll:
I wasn't referring to Michelle's other material but only the cliip of Madonna and the one of Sandra. It was Madonna who was inciting that audience to react to her. We don't need that kind of thing on either end.
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Anyone with children or grandchildren should be interested in the differences between Obama and McCain's platforms.

Remember as I have said before, Obama is the National Education Association-endorsed candidate.

Obama: Proposes $10 bil. Zero to Five program to develop universal pre-K programs. (In other words, instead of needing to pay for expensive preschool, the government will provide pre-K, which if you don't realize this is necessary you don't know what elementary school is like now.) Wants to boost government spending for science and math ed. from K-12, and use funds to recruit more highly trained teachers.

Has called for dramatic expansion of federal grants to buy sports equipment and train teachers in innovative PE programs. (PE programs in schools have suffered greatly under many years of funding cuts; my daughter's elementary school only has PE once a week. Ever wondered why so many people end up taking their kids around to community sports teams in the U.S.? PE programs have suffered greatly from K-12; it is one reason that sadly, vending machines are in middle schools and high schools, to support underfunded sports programs.)

Plans to create a $4,000 refundable college tax credit for middle-class Americans. Has supported increases for the Pell Grants, federal grants to fund college education.

McCain: Opposed to increases in federal education spending. Wants to direct 60% of the $3 bil. in federal funds now earmarked for teacher development to finance bonuses for instructors who improve student achievement at high-need schools. Favors simplifying existing college tax credits into a single one that can be used to pay for tuition or other college-related expenses. One of the chief highlights of John McCain's view on education -- he supports vouchers, which would give federal support to private schools, giving parents the ability to get funding to put their children in private school over public school.
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Thanks, Lisa - it's good to be brought back to the issues that are important.
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I think that a lot of people, generally (I'm not specifically talking about people here) are falling into the trap of the politics of personality and the issues are taking a back seat, which is - unfortunately - the way things tend to go a lot of the time. I know that Mrs. Palin wants this to happen, given her recent attempts at character assassination towards Senator Obama. She is evidently hoping that if she throws enough mud then some of it will stick, no matter how untrue or unfair. Seems to me like the desperation of a party which is seeing the Presidency slip further and further away from their grasp with each passing day.

Strange you mention Oprah, Mary Ann. As one of Obama's major financial supporters, she has probably paid for a large percentage of this 24-hour TV channel. I'm not sure that such a channel will be majorly effective, but at this stage of the election, any communication with the electorate through mass-media is worth a try. Personally, I'd feel the same way about a McCain channel as I do about Obama's - indifferent.

Dorothy - you say 'only in America great slander happens in politics'. You couldn't be more wrong, sadly.
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Does anyone find it a bit odd that there is a 24 hour a day "Obama" TV station here in the United States? That seems extreme for a U.S. Senator...maybe even a bit presumptuous? I think McCain would be highly criticized for that one.
I have not seen a television station like this. Where do I find it?
I saw it on Dish Network and the station was called 'Obama.' It hit me in a strange way. I don't recall any former politicians having their own television station. Not even someone as rich as Oprah has that.
I won't be watching it then as I do not have a satellite.
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I checked our county's website this morning and my vote for Obama has been received and accepted.

I suppose that means I should shut up until the votes are counted, but the campaign is not yet over, so I won't.
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Many pages ago, I asked for examples of people at Democratic rallies calling McCain a terrorist or a traitor or saying "kill him!" or something similar.
All I have seen since is some whipped-up outrage over some idiotic fringe-dwellers. Nothing at any of the campaigns.

I don't blame the Democratic campaign, or Democrats in general, for an outburst at a Madonna concert any more than I blame the Republican campaign, or Republicans in general, for Ted Nugent brandishing a pair of machine guns and saying "Hey Obama, suck on one of these - he's a worthless piece of sh*t."
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=vy8RIiTyhMI&e

No-one has yet shown any evidence that Democratic gatherings bear any similarity to some to the hate we've seen at Republican stops. People keep saying the same things happen on both sides, yet not one camera or microphone has managed to capture it. That stretches my credulity, especially when we know that Hannity and Limbaugh would have it playing on a loop until election day if they could - but they can't.
I will look as soon as I get back from the doctor's. I am often a much better researcher than the Republicans in ferreting out difficult-to-find or non-existent information. ;)
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Thanks, Lisa - it's good to be brought back to the issues that are important.
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I have continually asked someone to give me an example of similar hate-speech coming from Democratic rallies and nobody has. You say it happens, it just doesn't get reported. Give me a break! Are there no cameras at Dem rallies? Come on! And yet for all that lack of evidence, you're still positive it happens? Sounds a bit WMD to me. :P
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I think that a lot of people, generally (I'm not specifically talking about people here) are falling into the trap of the politics of personality and the issues are taking a back seat, which is - unfortunately - the way things tend to go a lot of the time. I know that Mrs. Palin wants this to happen, given her recent attempts at character assassination towards Senator Obama. She is evidently hoping that if she throws enough mud then some of it will stick, no matter how untrue or unfair. Seems to me like the desperation of a party which is seeing the Presidency slip further and further away from their grasp with each passing day.

Strange you mention Oprah, Mary Ann. As one of Obama's major financial supporters, she has probably paid for a large percentage of this 24-hour TV channel. I'm not sure that such a channel will be majorly effective, but at this stage of the election, any communication with the electorate through mass-media is worth a try. Personally, I'd feel the same way about a McCain channel as I do about Obama's - indifferent.

Dorothy - you say 'only in America great slander happens in politics'. You couldn't be more wrong, sadly.
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Does anyone find it a bit odd that there is a 24 hour a day "Obama" TV station here in the United States? That seems extreme for a U.S. Senator...maybe even a bit presumptuous? I think McCain would be highly criticized for that one.
I have not seen a television station like this. Where do I find it?
I saw it on Dish Network and the station was called 'Obama.' It hit me in a strange way. I don't recall any former politicians having their own television station. Not even someone as rich as Oprah has that.
I found it. Here is the link to Obama t.v station on dish network

http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2008/10/01/dish-network-now-has-obama-channel

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Many pages ago, I asked for examples of people at Democratic rallies calling McCain a terrorist or a traitor or saying "kill him!" or something similar.
All I have seen since is some whipped-up outrage over some idiotic fringe-dwellers. Nothing at any of the campaigns.

I don't blame the Democratic campaign, or Democrats in general, for an outburst at a Madonna concert any more than I blame the Republican campaign, or Republicans in general, for Ted Nugent brandishing a pair of machine guns and saying "Hey Obama, suck on one of these - he's a worthless piece of sh*t."
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=vy8RIiTyhMI&e

No-one has yet shown any evidence that Democratic gatherings bear any similarity to some to the hate we've seen at Republican stops. People keep saying the same things happen on both sides, yet not one camera or microphone has managed to capture it. That stretches my credulity, especially when we know that Hannity and Limbaugh would have it playing on a loop until election day if they could - but they can't.
Couldn't find any but did find this interesting bit:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuSYHnVpYbs

Nothing like being called a socialist just because I'm not a conservative Republican. Look, I don't like Nancy Pelosi and especially Harry Reid any more than most people here (most of you know that as we have talked about her before)! At least McCain's response, while it doesn't state that non-conservative Republicans are not socialists, does help even with the ACORN issue. Here is the full video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Y0ecX6HQMw

I did find a video where McCain states that he is being called a terrorist at Obama rallies and I don't doubt that. Just not able to find any evidence as yet.

http://crooksandliars.com/silentpatriot/mccain-people-call-me-terrorist-obam
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Does anyone find it a bit odd that there is a 24 hour a day "Obama" TV station here in the United States? That seems extreme for a U.S. Senator...maybe even a bit presumptuous? I think McCain would be highly criticized for that one.
I have not seen a television station like this. Where do I find it?
I saw it on Dish Network and the station was called 'Obama.' It hit me in a strange way. I don't recall any former politicians having their own television station. Not even someone as rich as Oprah has that.
I won't be watching it then as I do not have a satellite.
Nor I but I suspect it is the same stuff that is on his website. At least that we don't have to pay for.
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Oct 15 2008, 05:08 AM
I have continually asked someone to give me an example of similar hate-speech coming from Democratic rallies and nobody has. You say it happens, it just doesn't get reported. Give me a break! Are there no cameras at Dem rallies? Come on! And yet for all that lack of evidence, you're still positive it happens? Sounds a bit WMD to me. :P
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Didn't know she is McCain in drag. I think that Bill is asking for hate McCain/Palin speak at Obama rallies. This was from one of many rallies that started before the DNC did. You had all kinds of people there, including people from the socialist parties and people who believe that 9/11 was an inside job. This is just one of many videos that I have seen that show just how stupid people can get on both sides (believe me there was a lot of bullsh*t thrown at the RNC rallies as well).

This may answer you're video:

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Oct 15 2008, 10:05 PM
Didn't know she is McCain in drag. I think that Bill is asking for hate McCain/Palin speak at Obama rallies.
:lol: Yeah, I made a mistake with that video. It wasn't at a McCain campaign rally, my dumb!

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I've seen "kill him" typed here many times. How often do McCainers chant that at rallies? If it happens every time then I think there's a problem. If it happened once from some guy way in the back then I think maybe some people are making a president out of a freshman senator.

And if you really want to put so many eggs in this kill him basket, don't be too disappointed to learn it's a figure of speech. When people shouted "moida da bum" at Sonny Liston's last bout they didn't mean he was literally a bum and he should be literally murdered.

Hate speech is serious business that shouldn't be trivialised by attaching it to every dissenting view.
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Oct 13 2008, 05:16 PM
Good thing it's only an opinion board. :)
I think a lot of people forget that.
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Oct 15 2008, 05:54 PM
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Oct 15 2008, 03:43 PM
Thanks, Lisa - it's good to be brought back to the issues that are important.
You're welcome Barb. But I'm afraid you're the only one listening. :-/
As Michelle would eloquently say, bullsh*t. Some of us have been lamenting the death of substance for a long time now.
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I've seen "kill him" typed here many times. How often do McCainers chant that at rallies? If it happens every time then I think there's a problem. If it happened once from some guy way in the back then I think maybe some people are making a president out of a freshman senator.

And if you really want to put so many eggs in this kill him basket, don't be too disappointed to learn it's a figure of speech. When people shouted "moida da bum" at Sonny Liston's last bout they didn't mean he was literally a bum and he should be literally murdered.

Hate speech is serious business that shouldn't be trivialised by attaching it to every dissenting view.
It's a Federal crime to shout 'kill him' at a political rally and the FBI investigates these reports.

Secret Service looking into Obama threat at rally
By EILEEN SULLIVAN – 6 hours ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Secret Service is looking into a second allegation that a participant at a Republican political rally shouted "kill him," referring to Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama. The Scranton Times-Tribune reported that someone in the crowd shouted "kill him" after the mention of Obama's name during a rally Tuesday for GOP vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin in Scranton, Pa.

Last week, The Washington Post reported a similar incident during a Palin rally in Clearwater, Fla. The Secret Service investigated that allegation and found no indication that "kill him" was ever said, or if it was said, that the remark was directed at Obama. Listening to tapes of that rally, the Secret Service heard "tell him" or "tell them," but agents never heard "kill him," Secret Service spokesman Eric Zahren told The Associated Press on Wednesday. In both the Clearwater and the Scranton instances, the Service only learned of the alleged threats through media reports.

"We would ask that anyone overhearing threatening language bring it to the attention of the Secret Service or other law enforcement at the event immediately," Zahren said. The Secret Service cannot prevent or police poor behavior at public events, Zahren said, but the agency draws the line at threatening language. "We do not have the luxury of discounting such language as simply bad taste or bad behavior without further investigation," he said. So far, the Secret Service has not found anyone else who heard "kill him" Tuesday except for the Times-Tribune reporter. Shouts of "traitor," "terrorist," "treason," "liar," and even "off with his head" have rung from the crowd at Republican rallies. The anti-Obama taunts and jeers are noticeably louder when McCain appears with Palin, a big draw for GOP conservatives. She accused Obama last week of "palling around with terrorists" because of his past, loose association with a 1960s radical.
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Thank you for that Lapis.

Now for the debate.

Anybody watch it? I had one ear on the debate and the other on the regrettable final game of the national league championships. Unfortunately my team lost but to me the game was more interesting.

What I saw was the McCain finally start to swing, only to hit with a thud. Finally there was some substance to this debate but other than that, it was okay.
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I watched the debate and I really liked the question they had to answer about Education.
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The star of the show turned out to be Joe the Plumber. Who knew? :wacko: :blink:






Hey Rose, wonder if that's your $60 guy? :unsure: :whistle:




Why?
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Oct 16 2008, 04:15 AM
I watched the debate and I really liked the question they had to answer about Education.
That always cracks me up because US education is administered and funded on a state and county level.
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Oct 16 2008, 05:40 AM
The star of the show turned out to be Joe the Plumber. Who knew? :wacko: :blink:






Hey Rose, wonder if that's your $60 guy? :unsure: :whistle:
Saw Joe the Plumber on CNN this morning. He does not make over $250K, so McCain has that wrong, too.

At times, I did think McCain looked like a grumpy old man with all of his facial expressions. He doesn't seem able to contain himself when he starts to get upset.

I missed the first 30 minutes, but saw the rest. I am glad the debates are over and it's time to vote early and vote often.
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All right...yesterday, I got up ant got into Hofstra's newsroom at 8:00 AM and I didn't leave until after the debate, although I did get out to get some shots of the MSNBC studio and several other things, which you can see at my flickr account that I posted before. We used Nassau News as the place for all our coverage. I made a few appearances on TV and I'm quoted (though unfortunately not shown) in a German news article here: heute.de news article. CBS 2 and ABC 7 shot a few stories from the News Room, but I can't find the videos unfortunately.
Overall, the debate was a lot of fun, even though I didn't actually get to go. It was hard to be journalistic and not grab one of the Obama signs going around...that might have been the hardest part!
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Oct 15 2008, 03:43 PM
Thanks, Lisa - it's good to be brought back to the issues that are important.
You're welcome Barb. But I'm afraid you're the only one listening. :-/
As Michelle would eloquently say, bullsh*t. Some of us have been lamenting the death of substance for a long time now.
Really? Then what do you have to say about my original substance-filled post regarding education, Mia? It is easy to reply to me with a cheap shot, but I addressed my comment to Barb because she is the only person who commented directly about my post about the difference between the Obama and McCain platforms.

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Like Linda and so many others, I'm glad the debates are over and now we look forward to November 4.

I think it was clear from the debate who is running the negative campaign. I was glad to see and hear Obama respond so clearly and personally to the Ayers connection question.

McCain appeared even more agitated than the last debates, more desperate and his incessant grimacing and eye blinking was uncomfortable to watch. He looked like a little kid that had to pee and was trying to get the teacher's attention!

What McCain isn't successful in doing is portraying Obama as an extremist, something that he clearly is not.

But the worst moment for me was McCain's treatment of the Roe v. Wade question that he didn't answer. It was hard to even know what the was saying except for the condescending "health of the woman" remark.

And did he actually say "my fellow prisoners" at one point?

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He did call Obama "Senator Government" at one point, which is certainly better than "that one."
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Oct 16 2008, 02:13 PM
Really? Then what do you have to say about my original substance-filled post regarding education, Mia? It is easy to reply to me with a cheap shot, but I addressed my comment to Barb because she is the only person who commented directly about my post about the difference between the Obama and McCain platforms.

Although I didn't quote or reference your post directly, my post shortly afterwards was talking about the lack of debate about the issues and the politics of personality.

Ron, there is always room for change in the way Education is administered and funded. Could that change not come from the very top? ;)
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Really? Then what do you have to say about my original substance-filled post regarding education, Mia? It is easy to reply to me with a cheap shot, but I addressed my comment to Barb because she is the only person who commented directly about my post about the difference between the Obama and McCain platforms.

Although I didn't quote or reference your post directly, my post shortly afterwards was talking about the lack of debate about the issues and the politics of personality.

Ron, there is always room for change in the way Education is administered and funded. Could that change not come from the very top? ;)
Sure, if you change the Constitution which I expect will be next.
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I'm all for a change to your constitution. That 'right to bear arms' antiquity, especially. ;)
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Oct 16 2008, 05:40 AM
The star of the show turned out to be Joe the Plumber. Who knew? :wacko: :blink:






Hey Rose, wonder if that's your $60 guy? :unsure: :whistle:
:rofl:

Does anyone have the exact count of how many times "Joe the Plumber" was referenced in this debate? I think I had heard 28 times...but I'm not sure... :blink:

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Oct 16 2008, 04:05 AM
WASHINGTON (AP) — The Secret Service is looking into a second allegation that a participant at a Republican political rally shouted "kill him," referring to Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama. The Scranton Times-Tribune reported that someone in the crowd shouted "kill him" after the mention of Obama's name during a rally Tuesday for GOP vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin in Scranton, Pa.

Last week, The Washington Post reported a similar incident during a Palin rally in Clearwater, Fla. The Secret Service investigated that allegation and found no indication that "kill him" was ever said, or if it was said, that the remark was directed at Obama. Listening to tapes of that rally, the Secret Service heard "tell him" or "tell them," but agents never heard "kill him," Secret Service spokesman Eric Zahren told The Associated Press on Wednesday. In both the Clearwater and the Scranton instances, the Service only learned of the alleged threats through media reports.

"We would ask that anyone overhearing threatening language bring it to the attention of the Secret Service or other law enforcement at the event immediately," Zahren said. The Secret Service cannot prevent or police poor behavior at public events, Zahren said, but the agency draws the line at threatening language. "We do not have the luxury of discounting such language as simply bad taste or bad behavior without further investigation," he said. So far, the Secret Service has not found anyone else who heard "kill him" Tuesday except for the Times-Tribune reporter.
Why is not more being made of this, especially since the Democrats have been pounding the issue into the ground recently, insinuating that it represents the "mob" of racism and hatred typical of McCain rallies?

The FBI could find no information about it. The reporter for the Scranton Times Tribune newspaper was the scoundrel who spread this b*llsh*t, based on a soundbite on which he alone "heard" what he WANTED to hear! Another perfect example of media bias in action, and the damage such falsehoods cause all around.

"Let's lie, and see if it'll fly!" No, this crap won't fly, if enough people like me call them on it!

I truly fear the glimpses of socialism Obama has let slip that he'll pursue once he's tricked his way into office, on what I can only conclude would be voter ignorance, based on misinformation from the media. As in his talk with Joe "the plumber", he wants to "spread the wealth around", after reducing any incentive to work hard and succeed beyond the $250,000 he deems should be taxed more. A frightening prospect to hard-working people like me. Even though I don't earn near that amount, I aspire to some day. But why should I if the tax burden will increase to God knows what extent?

I ask the government to back off, let me earn my own money through my own hard work, and then I'LL SPREAD THE WEALTH AROUND myself, through charities as I see fit. NOT have the government confiscate my hard-earned wealth and re-distribute it as they see fit. It's socialism folks. Be afraid, be very afraid of it, if you are an honest hard-working citizen, and hate to see many who don't deserve it get something for nothing from your hard efforts.

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I'm all for a change to your constitution. That 'right to bear arms' antiquity, especially. ;)
I would love for you to come to my local Starbucks and expound on all of your brilliant political ideas.
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I'm all for a change to your constitution. That 'right to bear arms' antiquity, especially. ;)
I would love for you to come to my local Starbucks and expound on all of your brilliant political ideas.
Do I detect a hint of sarcasm, Ron? :P
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WASHINGTON (AP) — The Secret Service is looking into a second allegation that a participant at a Republican political rally shouted "kill him," referring to Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama. The Scranton Times-Tribune reported that someone in the crowd shouted "kill him" after the mention of Obama's name during a rally Tuesday for GOP vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin in Scranton, Pa.

Last week, The Washington Post reported a similar incident during a Palin rally in Clearwater, Fla. The Secret Service investigated that allegation and found no indication that "kill him" was ever said, or if it was said, that the remark was directed at Obama. Listening to tapes of that rally, the Secret Service heard "tell him" or "tell them," but agents never heard "kill him," Secret Service spokesman Eric Zahren told The Associated Press on Wednesday. In both the Clearwater and the Scranton instances, the Service only learned of the alleged threats through media reports.

"We would ask that anyone overhearing threatening language bring it to the attention of the Secret Service or other law enforcement at the event immediately," Zahren said. The Secret Service cannot prevent or police poor behavior at public events, Zahren said, but the agency draws the line at threatening language. "We do not have the luxury of discounting such language as simply bad taste or bad behavior without further investigation," he said. So far, the Secret Service has not found anyone else who heard "kill him" Tuesday except for the Times-Tribune reporter.
Why is not more being made of this, especially since the Democrats have been pounding the issue into the ground recently, insinuating that it represents the "mob" of racism and hatred typical of McCain rallies?

The FBI could find no information about it. The reporter for the Scranton Times Tribune newspaper was the scoundrel who spread this b*llsh*t, based on a soundbite on which he alone "heard" what he WANTED to hear! Another perfect example of media bias in action, and the damage such falsehoods cause all around.

"Let's lie, and see if it'll fly!" No, this crap won't fly, if enough people like me call them on it!

I truly fear the glimpses of socialism Obama has let slip that he'll pursue once he's tricked his way into office, on what I can only conclude would be voter ignorance, based on misinformation from the media. As in his talk with Joe "the plumber", he wants to "spread the wealth around", after reducing any incentive to work hard and succeed beyond the $250,000 he deems should be taxed more. A frightening prospect to hard-working people like me. Even though I don't earn near that amount, I aspire to some day. But why should I if the tax burden will increase to God knows what extent?

I ask the government to back off, let me earn my own money through my own hard work, and then I'LL SPREAD THE WEALTH AROUND myself, through charities as I see fit. NOT have the government confiscate my hard-earned wealth and re-distribute it as they see fit. It's socialism folks. Be afraid, be very afraid of it, if you are an honest hard-working citizen, and hate to see many who don't deserve it get something for nothing from your hard efforts.
I think you are right that this case was not borne out by facts but I have heard people tell me in casual conversation that 'if Obama is elected he will be assassinated within three months of taking office'. I found this to be a bit disturbing.
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Oct 16 2008, 02:31 PM
He did call Obama "Senator Government" at one point, which is certainly better than "that one."
Yes, McCain did call Obama Senator Government. Guess I voted for Senator Government. :whistle:

CNN said the Joe the Plumber count was 26 times. I got quite tired of Joe the Plumber.
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I'm all for a change to your constitution. That 'right to bear arms' antiquity, especially. ;)
I would love for that to be removed. Starbucks, Andy? :yes: We can talk all the politics you would like.
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The entire abortion conversation, which seemed to go on forever, was very sad. McCain was trying to make it look like Obama and the pro-choice supporters want every unwanted pregnancy to end in an abortion. This is not true. It is just plain a false statement. I don't think anybody is pro-abortion. We just want a woman to have the right to choose.

We have a state constitutional ballot issue here in Colorado which, if passed, would define life as being at the time of conception. It's supporters say that even the pill would be against the law if the passes. This would put young women back to my time when you used the rhythm method, diaphragm, IUD or hope and pray method.

I no longer have to worry about this since I am old, but this is one ballot issue that I really am against. I do not want this to be added to the state constitution. The government has too much of a role in our lives. This would set us back so many years and I think it would increase abortions, although women would have to go out of state.

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I will ask each of you now about the sentiments here in regard to the current election. Which party today reflects the above sentiment more in their aims and promises to the electorate? Think about it carefully.

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"Ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country."

--John Fitzgerald Kennedy

A famous line from a beloved president.

I will ask each of you now about the sentiments here in regard to the current election. Which party today reflects the above sentiment more in their aims and promises to the electorate? Think about it carefully.
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You know that line was taken from Jesus. Jesus said, ask not you want for your self. however ask, what you can do for god.
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"Ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country."

--John Fitzgerald Kennedy

A famous line from a beloved president.

I will ask each of you now about the sentiments here in regard to the current election. Which party today reflects the above sentiment more in their aims and promises to the electorate? Think about it carefully.
Certainly not the Republicans. I would have to say that this no longer applies to any party but to each individual as was the original intent. He was talking about being community/world activist (the Peace Corps) in specific.
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