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| Bag O' Nails | Mar 6 2008, 04:41 AM Post #901 |
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| JeffLynnesBeard | Mar 6 2008, 04:47 AM Post #902 |
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By the way, didn't lots of Americans re-elect George W. Bush so that he could 'finish the job' in Iraq. Whatever happened to that? |
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| Bag O' Nails | Mar 6 2008, 05:21 AM Post #903 |
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I don't think that job will ever be finished, regardless of whom gets elected.
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| JeffLynnesBeard | Mar 6 2008, 05:25 AM Post #904 |
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Sadly, I agree with you. I believe that the only people who can truly sort out Iraq are the Iraqi people themselves. Even eliminating the terrorist insurgency may prove impossible before withdrawal. |
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| beatlechick | Mar 6 2008, 06:30 AM Post #905 |
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Not voting for the family picture but for change. |
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| Bill | Mar 6 2008, 06:34 AM Post #906 |
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So that's why they elected the guy who said "Mission Accomplished"?
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| ThirdHarmony | Mar 6 2008, 08:43 AM Post #907 |
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Why not have a look at the people who currently are advisors to the candidates? After all, if a candidate is elected - these advisors may suddenly come into a position of pivotal importance in government. Seeing as the GWB administration stuffed key positions with "friends and supporters" (large droves of which have been forced to resign since, after proving their incompetence) rather than sharp and competent people - shouldn't this be highly relevant in this election? The US economy is a fundamental issue for Americans and non-Americans alike. If government spending goes berserk (a critique often directed towards the Dems, but again, look at the present admin.) it will have a toll on the resources available for all other initiatives. So I took a look at Obama's main economic advisor, Austan Goolsbee. ![]() I'd like to provide the following two articles which I found illuminating. Partly because one of the sources is an article from the (sort of) conservative-leaning British journal The Economist, and the other source is an article by conservative commentator George Will. Not exactly a liberal perspective then, so have a look what they have to say about the economic policies of Obama's main advisor on the economy... The Economist: "Sorry, Goolsbee doesn't sound French" The Washington Post: "The Democratic Economist" by George Will |
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| Bag O' Nails | Mar 6 2008, 06:07 PM Post #908 |
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Don't know why he said that; was he referring to the ending of the Saddam Hussein regime? |
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| maccascruff | Mar 6 2008, 06:20 PM Post #909 |
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And obviously me. I've worked hard for this man and will continue to do so. Heidi, I don't trust Hillary. That is why I don't know if I can vote for her. I didn't trust her tears in NH and her ad in TX was ridiculous. She was fear mongering just like Dubya does. |
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| maccascruff | Mar 6 2008, 06:23 PM Post #910 |
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I did not vote for him, so don't blame me. I don't have the war Iraq on me. The other side does. |
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| beatlechick | Mar 7 2008, 01:24 AM Post #911 |
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Heidi, you should know the answer better than that. He was stating that we accomplished what he set out for in the war. When he made that statement aboard the aircraft carrier USS Abraham Lincoln, we were supposed to have had a cessation to major combat operations in Iraq. Unfortunately Mission (un)Accomplished as most of the deaths on the coalition side, Iraqi combatants, and civilians have happened AFTER that damned statement. |
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| Bag O' Nails | Mar 7 2008, 01:34 AM Post #912 |
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Cathy, You'll have to forgive me because I truly don't remember when he said that....now that you explained it to me, he obviously shouldn't have said it. The mission is not accomplished. |
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| Bill | Mar 7 2008, 01:48 AM Post #913 |
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What he said was:
Donald Rumsfeld, in what was probably the smartest thing he ever did in office, insisted that the words "mission accomplished" be taken out of the speech. It was too late to take the banner down though. The White House now claims the banner was the ship's idea. Yeah, right! |
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| Bill | Mar 7 2008, 01:52 AM Post #914 |
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And now for something completely different..... Ralph Nader. Discuss. |
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| beatlechick | Mar 7 2008, 02:06 AM Post #915 |
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About the only good thing he truly did. As for Ralph Nader................................................... Heidi, all is forgiven some of us remember it because we are so opposed to the war in Iraq and this just highlighted one of the many mistakes that have been made. |
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| maccascruff | Mar 7 2008, 02:20 PM Post #916 |
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I just may vote for Nader if it's Billary vs. McCain :rolleyes: |
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| JeffLynnesBeard | Mar 7 2008, 02:39 PM Post #917 |
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All I can say is look what happened last time when Nader helped dilute the liberal voter base... do you really want to risk that happening again?
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| BeatleBarb | Mar 7 2008, 02:42 PM Post #918 |
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No, no, no! Obama is my first choice, but I will happily vote for Clinton over McCain! |
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| ThirdHarmony | Mar 7 2008, 02:55 PM Post #919 |
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If people forget (after all, there are lots of young, new voters out there), perhaps a little bit of YouTube might help: Message To Ralph Nader: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIFEceopAUI ![]() |
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| beatlechick | Mar 7 2008, 11:43 PM Post #920 |
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Same here! |
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| maccascruff | Mar 8 2008, 02:22 AM Post #921 |
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Didn't you notice the rolling eyes? :rolleyes: |
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| Bag O' Nails | Mar 8 2008, 05:20 AM Post #922 |
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Truth be told, I am somewhat tempted to vote Obama or Clinton because I do think we should pull most of our troops out of Iraq. Now I wonder how many people have fainted...
But like I said earlier, whomever you vote for, there is a "package deal" and sadly the Iraq war is not the only thing that would cause me to vote one way or the other. I'm still a conservative; but I have to say I don't agree with McCain on his stance in keeping us in Iraq for another "100 yrs."
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| beatlechick | Mar 8 2008, 05:23 AM Post #923 |
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Heidi, that is pretty bold for you to say that. I do know that there have been quite a few conservative Republicans who have crossed party lines because of their opposition to one view or another of the candidates. Many Republicans have just wanted change, PERIOD and have crossed to vote for Obama. |
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| beatlechick | Mar 8 2008, 05:24 AM Post #924 |
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Linda, you scared me for a little while there!
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| JeffLynnesBeard | Mar 8 2008, 05:48 AM Post #925 |
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Me too... and, just so you know, I thought the rolling eyes were at the thought of it being Hillary v McCain.
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| fab4fan | Mar 8 2008, 06:10 AM Post #926 |
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Heidi, Heidi, Heidi. You don't remember Bush saying Mission Accomplished because he never said it. Thanks to Bill for finally clearing that up. You were right when you asked was he referring to removing Saddam Hussein. That's what we had prevailed at. Has the transition since Saddam was removed gone well. f*ck no! A disaster there for a while. But to answer Andy's question it's going a LOT better now. Is it where it needs to be. NO. It is a lot closer to being finished. Andy's inference that it would be completed during this president's tenure is spin stuff. For every quote of an underling that Bill can pull up about troop withdrawals I can find numerous quotes by W saying from the beginning that this war would last past his presidency. Round about way of getting to McCain's "100 years" comment. McCain said in a response to a question about Bush saying American troops would be in Iraq for 50 years, "maybe 100." He then questioned the questioner. How long have we been in Japan? 60+ years. South Korea? 50 years. He was saying we might have bases there for that long. He continually said as long as the troops weren't in harm's way. He did not project a war lasting 100 years. I'd like to take wagers if Barry becomes president in November. If he serves 8 years, I say he'll leave office and troops will still be in Iraq. Any takers? EDIT: Damn, I avoided this tangent of the thread for 3 days. I'm not as strong-willed as I thought. I'd like to ask a question of ThirdHarmony. About Atwater and Rove tactics. If they question Obama's religion ("as far as I know") and readiness for Commander-In-Chief (phone ringing at 3 a.m.) will that be their tactics or Clinton's? Pick up the damn phone. Hello, this is Barrack Obama and I was against the war in Iraq. |
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| Bill | Mar 8 2008, 06:13 AM Post #927 |
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Here's the thing about Nader: His splitting of the progressive vote is the fault of an outdated electoral system, not Nader himself. This is what happens when you have a simple-majority count. It's fundamentally undemocratic. I've said it before; under preferential voting (sometimes referred to as "instant run-off"), Gore would have won in 2000 and Bush would have won in 1992, since Perot split the conservative vote. See "Bill's comment column" for more information on that. Nader makes a valid point that for all the bitchiness between the two major parties, they will unite to destroy any third parties. Whose fault is that? Does a messed up system mean everyone else should just go away? And what's more important - being sure of electing the least-worst of whoever the respective party machines throw up, or having a real choice? I'm torn between idealism and pragmatism when it comes to Nader's candidacy. One thing is for sure though - the current system is set up to elected the least unwanted candidate. That's very different from electing the most preferred. |
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| Bag O' Nails | Mar 8 2008, 06:17 AM Post #928 |
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Did I tell you lately that I love you, John?
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| fab4fan | Mar 8 2008, 06:28 AM Post #929 |
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This is from Wikipedia:
Search Perot, bottom of page one, 1992 election(wikipedia) |
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| Bill | Mar 8 2008, 06:30 AM Post #930 |
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Well thank you, Donald Rumsfeld. You can argue semantics all you like but you can't say this this is not Bush saying "Mission Accomplished." ![]() Worth a thousand words! And we also know that he would have said it if Rummy hadn't put a stop to it. Read what he said again: In the Battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed. Where did he say anything about Saddam and that the rest would take at least another five years? That's your interpretation. It could also be called SpinSpinSPinSpin!! He also said they had removed an ally of al Qaeda. Not true. The 9/11 commission proved that. The fact that things in Iraq are moderately less f*cked up than they were in 2006 (only THREE YEARS after Mission Accomplished) is nothing to crow about. When you can go for a walk down the street without getting your head blown off, then come and talk to me. So you've got to ask, WHY did things go so badly? Someone has to take the blame. To be fair John, you were a supporter of the invasion who admitted from the outset that it would last at least a generation. Kudos for your realism. But what of all the dicks who said it would be over in 6 months and a beacon of freedom in the middle east? They're all still running the show!!!! Why haven't they been shot? McCain's meaning was taken the wrong way but it was still a dumb thing to say. Why exactly does America troops stationed in all these countries? All this tells us is that once America is in, she's never out. Some of us predicted this from the outset. Whoever the next president is, they will be lumbered with the legacy of Bush administration incompetence. And it won't be Clinton's, Obama's or McCain's fault if they find that some messes just can't be cleaned up. |
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| fab4fan | Mar 8 2008, 06:43 AM Post #931 |
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| JeffLynnesBeard | Mar 8 2008, 06:44 AM Post #932 |
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If it's spin stuff, it was spin by the Bush campaign of 2004 and endorsed heavily by other world leaders such as Blair and Howard. I asked "Didn't lots of Americans re-elect George W. Bush so that he could 'finish the job' in Iraq?" I believe that question is extremely valid as I remember quite clearly that so many Republican voters gave for voting for Bush at the time was so that he could 'finish the job' in Iraq. There are plenty of articles from that time which all imply that Bush was re-elected to 'finish the job'. For example; Bush and Blair said Friday that they had agreed to “finish the job” of promoting democracy across the Middle East, in addition to establishing a free Iraq. msnbc, Nov 14th, 2004 Of course, you can go into the semantics of what 'finishing the job; actually entails, but to the common schmoe on the street, I don't think that there would be much doubt about what 'finishing the job' in Iraq actually means - that was certainly the message during his re-election. If Bush didn't actually mean that he would finish the job and any inferrence that he said he would was just spin, then I'd say that spin worked very well indeed on the American voter. As for the 'Mission Accomplished' issue - the fact that he announced that the US & Allied forces had been successful in their major combat operations in Iraq and that he made the speech in front of a huge banner depicting the words 'Mission Accomplished' - well, that was just coincidence, right?
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| ThirdHarmony | Mar 8 2008, 11:33 AM Post #933 |
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The "as far as I know"-comment and red phone ad are tactics of the Clinton campaign since they put it out there. It's still the presidential primaries, not the GE. That said, they would be classic (but mild) versions out of the Atwater/Rove textbook on using suggestive language and fearmongering as a tactic - regardless of which candidate uses it. Now, fearmongering in electoral politics isn't new - but those two certainly brought it to a new level of twisted mastery. I am disappointed but not wholly surprised that the Clinton campaign sunk to such depths in attacking Obama, but would be much more stunned if such tactics are employed by the Obama camp as it has made a point that they are an ugly side-effect of the process which needs to be abandoned so that people can make important decisions without falsehoods and distortions. This is a gamble, as the candidate who refuses to engage on that dirty level is sadly very much a target unless he manages to make a big political point about it, so that smear campaigns backfire on the candidate they are intended to support. There is no doubt in my mind that the Clinton attacks are positively childsplay compared to the coming storm, and when it comes, it's going to be cobbled together by minions who have seen the Atwater/Rove machinery efficiently at work. McCain was himself the target by the minions working under Bush in the 2000 election, and smeared beyond help - so you'd think he would distance himself from such tactics, he definitley will in speeches. However, his base is to a much larger extent infected by Atwater/Rove-underlings whose actions I don't think he will be able to control, and that may very well be his undoing if Obama is the opponent. |
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| Mia Culpa | Mar 8 2008, 01:24 PM Post #934 |
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| Bill | Mar 8 2008, 01:52 PM Post #935 |
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Fair enough. I shouldn't have stated categorically that Bush would have won. That's still my inkling though. I'm also assuming that those who voted for Perot and Nader would have voted in they hadn't been on the ballot. I think the fact that the study was done kind of proves my point. There needs to be electoral reform. Don't get me wrong, it's not just America. The British electoral system is just as bad. I love the fact that America votes for everything and the fact that the candidates have to win an election just to run for election. That's great! But the problem is that the methodology produces such a distorted result. |
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| Bill | Mar 8 2008, 01:56 PM Post #936 |
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Here's the thing about the 3am phone call: Hillary claims to already know the world leaders. How could she know them? From her time as first lady. Okay, now how many democracies can you name that still have the same leader as they did eight years ago? I don't know of any. This means that the only leaders that she personally knows already would be old male dictators. So if Hillary answers that 3am phone call and it's a world leader she's already acquainted with, it's just as likely that he'll say, "Sorry to wake you Mrs Clinton, put Bill on the phone." :lol: |
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| Bill | Mar 8 2008, 01:58 PM Post #937 |
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Oi! Are you dissing my (former) Prime Minister????? Good lad! Keep it up!
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| Mia Culpa | Mar 8 2008, 02:23 PM Post #938 |
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Thabo Mbeki's still around [though not for long], Bertie Ahern's still around, Helen Clark, Vladimir Putin [though he's out, though not really], Guy Verhofstadt, Chen Shui bian, Ólafur Grímsson [though if Iceland calls at 3am nobody's likely to care]. I believe the president of Palau is the same. Never forget Palau. The point of the 3am call is that Obama would probably be having sex with his wife when the phone rings. You know Clinton won't be busy at 3am. |
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| Bill | Mar 8 2008, 02:35 PM Post #939 |
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sh*t! I thought of Bertie just as I clicked this. Putin doesn't count as not being a male dictator. |
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| Sci-Fi/Macca Fan | Mar 9 2008, 02:23 AM Post #940 |
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I'm goin' down to Junior's Farm!
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Hey, Barack's back on the winning track today and won the Wyoming caucus! Woo! On to Mississippi on the 11th! |
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| maccascruff | Mar 9 2008, 02:53 AM Post #941 |
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Yes, on to Mississippi on Tuesday. He soundly defeated Hillary today. If I had known just how red Wyoming is, I could have seen the next president of the United States last night in Laramie. It's about two hours from here. The arena held 15,000 and only 7,500 people showed up, many from Denver. I was afraid to go when I got off work at 4 PM because I didn't want to be disappointed if I drover up there and didn't get in. Too bad for me. I would roll my eyes and also barf if it ends up being Billary vs. McCain. I am seeing today that another Repug is saying that we can't have a man in the White House with the middle name of Hussein. Well I am changing my name so that I have the middle name of Hussein. Having that as a middle name means nothing. Obama is not Muslim. His father abandoned the family when he was a small child and he was raised by his mother and grandparents. He gives them all the credit in his speeches for raising him to be the person he is today. So, Barack and Michelle would be having sex in the White House and Bill would be no where to be found--out on the town looking for some sex, right? I love that idea. I have seen tabloids at the grocery store that say that the Hill has had lesbian affairs. I have no idea if that is true or not, but that will surely be fodder for the Repugs.
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If Clinton were a muffdiver we'd already know about it. All her dirty laundry aired long ago. There's nothing new. Same with McCain. Though I doubt he goes down much. Not tonight honey, my jaw's killing me. Torture and all. If Obama gets the nomination you can bet there will be some new revelations. It's all new with Obama. |
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Take out the garbage? My arm's kinda stiff. You know, torture. I can't pick up my wet towels. Can't bend down. Torture. Go to your mother's for dinner? Now that's torture. |
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| fab4fan | Mar 13 2008, 02:55 AM Post #944 |
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Saying that Hillary has Executive Branch experience is like saying Yoko Ono was a Beatle. |
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| Mia Culpa | Mar 13 2008, 03:00 AM Post #945 |
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Yoko sang on more Beatles tracks than I did. |
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| Bill | Mar 13 2008, 03:49 AM Post #946 |
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| fab4fan | Mar 13 2008, 04:17 AM Post #947 |
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Bridget, You have the potential to be a vice-presidential nominee. :lol:
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| maccascruff | Mar 13 2008, 05:06 AM Post #948 |
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And Geraldine doesn't understand what she did wrong? I don't get this. I wanted her to be VP way back when. And she's out of the HRC campaign--even if it was some kind of honorary position. |
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| maccascruff | Mar 13 2008, 05:07 AM Post #949 |
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This is the best post I've read in months! |
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| Bill | Mar 13 2008, 05:42 AM Post #950 |
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Of course it's because he's black. He's doing so well because everyone has got together and said "Let's all vote for the black guy!" just like they did with Al Sharpton and Alan Keyes and Jesse Jackson and..... wait a minute.... perhaps I haven't thought this through. |
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| Bill | Mar 13 2008, 02:16 PM Post #951 |
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http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/8911.html I guess his family will be waiting a bit longer to see him. |
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| fab4fan | Mar 13 2008, 02:26 PM Post #952 |
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His family got him for 7 months. Things just got harder for whoever is the Democratic nominee. I have seen him do analysis on FOX recently. Hardly seems the monster that you all percieve him to be. p.s. Good call by you Bill but you were off by a couple of months.
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| Bill | Mar 13 2008, 02:40 PM Post #953 |
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He's known by his acts, not his demeanor. |
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If sleeping with a president gave Hillary more experience then Obama, guess that means Monica has more too. |
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| Queenbee | Mar 13 2008, 04:57 PM Post #955 |
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I don't think Monica ever slept with the president. She just sort of umm, er, GULP :-)
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| maccascruff | Mar 13 2008, 05:16 PM Post #956 |
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Rick and I had the exact same discussion, Judy.
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If people like Kerry,President Clinton,and THAT Ferraro keep making such lovely coments we will have another 4 years of a republican president.If they don't want that they need to keep their mouths closed!~
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| Bag O' Nails | Mar 13 2008, 08:14 PM Post #959 |
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OK fess up....who else besides me (and there are 3 of you) voted McCain in the poll???
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| JeffLynnesBeard | Mar 14 2008, 11:46 AM Post #960 |
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Well, actually Heidi... It wasn't me.
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| Queenbee | Mar 14 2008, 08:48 PM Post #961 |
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Not me, otherwise I'm donating to the wrong campaign and the wrong side! |
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It says I've already voted so I might've voted for him, but really I'd hate to have to make that choice. If you hold a gun to my head I'd go for Clinton because of all the work she's done for children over the years. |
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| Bag O' Nails | Mar 15 2008, 05:44 AM Post #963 |
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Health Care Japanese doctor says, 'Medicine in my country is so advanced that we can take a kidney out of one man, put it in another, and have him out looking for work in six weeks.' A German doctor says, 'That is nothing. We can take a lung out of one person, put it in another, and have him out looking for work in four weeks. A British doctor says, 'In my country medicine is so advanced that we can take half a heart out of one person, put it in another, and have both of them out looking for work in two weeks.' The American doctor, not to be outdone, interjected, 'You guys are way behind. We are about to take a woman with no brains, put her in the White House, and then half the country will be out looking for work.
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| maccascruff | Mar 15 2008, 06:15 AM Post #964 |
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I know who I voted for. Who voted for Hillary?
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| ThirdHarmony | Mar 15 2008, 10:59 AM Post #965 |
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The way the question is phrased, I am a bit reluctant to vote in the poll seeing as I'm not a U.S. citizen. Had it been phrased something like: "Which of the following candidates would you prefer to see win the General Election in November?" - then my answer, as things stand now, would be Senator Obama. |
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"My definition of a free society is a society where it is safe to be unpopular." - Adlai Stevenson "Say what you will about the sweet miracle of unquestioning faith. I consider the capacity for it terrifying." - Kurt Vonnegut, Jr. | |
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| beatlechick | Mar 15 2008, 08:02 PM Post #966 |
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Heidi, as things stand now half of the country is already looking for work AND looking for a new place to live. Foreclosures are sky-high here in California and in Florida. Just got through talking to a friend in Florida whose house has been on the market for 8 mos. 8 MONTHS!!!! She is now in foreclosure and has 3 months left to live there. The housing here by me is not good at all. Even some of the $1m. mansions, new ones too, are in foreclosure. So tell me how Hillary is going to break us up even more. Oh yeah, gas prices are nearly $3.50 here and over that in many other places in California. Did hear of one place that it is over $4 already. We're already sick and on the decline. How much worse will get before the election!?! |
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| maccascruff | Mar 16 2008, 01:12 AM Post #967 |
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I love this. I hope Jayne sees this. http://neighbors.denverpost.com/album_pic.php?pic_id=2401 Peeps for Obama! |
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| bluemeanie | Mar 16 2008, 01:15 AM Post #968 |
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is now a happily married woman x
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OMG how cute
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| maccascruff | Mar 16 2008, 01:22 AM Post #969 |
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Isn't that adorable. There is a Beatles Yellow Submarine peeps in the picture gallery, too. |
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| bluemeanie | Mar 16 2008, 01:23 AM Post #970 |
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OMG !!!! let me see again |
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Jayne x is loving life and is so happy xxx | |
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| bluemeanie | Mar 16 2008, 01:25 AM Post #971 |
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OMG they are all peeps |
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Jayne x is loving life and is so happy xxx | |
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| maccascruff | Mar 16 2008, 01:31 AM Post #972 |
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I think there are four or five pages of Peeps. Some kind of newspaper contest. They actually are all quite adorable! |
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| bluemeanie | Mar 16 2008, 01:37 AM Post #973 |
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Just found peepin beatles peepin beatleslove rocky horror peeps too rocky horror peeps
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Jayne x is loving life and is so happy xxx | |
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| bluemeanie | Mar 16 2008, 01:53 AM Post #974 |
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If it was me voting - Id go for Obama - young fella, head on shoulders, knows whih direction he is going - 1 for me
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| DCBeatle64 | Mar 16 2008, 01:56 AM Post #975 |
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I just hope Obama doesnt turn out to be all talk |
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I'm a BIGGER Beatles fan than you and I'm an even BIGGER Wings fan than that... 'You're a Paul McCartney fan? No you're a Wings fan'. 'Thankyou Scotland' Ho Hey Ho... ![]() I am the buttplug goo goo goo joob | |
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| Mia Culpa | Mar 16 2008, 10:15 AM Post #976 |
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When Clinton supporters and Geraldine Ferraro say something stupid it's front-page. When Obama's pastor of almost 20 years says "God damn America" does CNN mention it?
Is this getting any coverage in America? |
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| ThirdHarmony | Mar 16 2008, 11:27 AM Post #977 |
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It seems so - the story got top billing on all major news websites when it broke, and Obama's rejection and condemnation of was front page news yesterday - even on the FOX News web site. Expect the story (as with the Ferraro comments) to bob up and down on the news radar, and for talking heads to latch onto it for a period of time, but unless new developments occur, they have probably had their moment of "top story"-status. As with every election, the news providers thrive on stupid comments, and will surely be on the lookout for new material. I'm sure plenty will appear from several of the camps. It's weird how elections become more and more like entertainment productions, with the outcome decided by a string of nutcases who candidates try to scrape off their campaigns like burnt toast. Sometimes in a lukewarm way in order not to displease part of the voter base, as in McCain's "repudiation" of John Hagee's comments "if they are offensive" - but still without rejecting his support. Today the news cycle will probably keep a keen eye on what McCain and his entourage is doing and saying during his "surprise" trip to Iraq. |
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| Bill | Mar 16 2008, 12:41 PM Post #978 |
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Is a candidate automatically answerable for everything any of his or her supporters say? Even if they are, then Obama has Pickler, Clinton has Ferarro and McCain has Hagge. Call it even. |
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| maccascruff | Mar 16 2008, 06:37 PM Post #979 |
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CNN has covered Obama's preacher. They interviewed Obama on Thursday about it. Said he doesn't agree with any of those statements and finds them offensive. Said he wasn't in the pews the time this was said. |
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| Mia Culpa | Mar 17 2008, 02:35 AM Post #980 |
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Depends who the candidate is and how much the press likes or hates him. I think it's only even when they all get equal time or better still none. |
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| beatlechick | Mar 18 2008, 01:01 AM Post #981 |
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Yes, for the past week it has been covered. A lot more than the Geraldine Ferraro statement. |
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| Mia Culpa | Mar 18 2008, 05:52 AM Post #982 |
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Here everything seems to be about Obama. Whenever Clinton's mentioned it's negative. McCain seems to have been forgotten about entirely. |
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| fab4fan | Mar 18 2008, 12:27 PM Post #983 |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlFsVi5zuhc This almost made me chunder. |
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| Bill | Mar 18 2008, 01:05 PM Post #984 |
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A.Y.S.M????
That was for what? Judgement? To get Bill back for being on The Space Within Us? Come back Chuckabee, all is forgiven. |
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| maccascruff | Mar 18 2008, 01:11 PM Post #985 |
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| JeffLynnesBeard | Mar 18 2008, 01:17 PM Post #986 |
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Wonder when that was recorded... Yet another reason to back Obama! :lol: |
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| Bill | Mar 18 2008, 01:22 PM Post #987 |
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Obama! sh*t, that even made me warm to Guiliani. Even he didn't use Sept 11 quite so blatantly. Well, okay, he did. But even so! :wacko: |
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| Deleted User | Mar 18 2008, 09:10 PM Post #988 |
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If I was a member of that church, where the pastor said the things he said espeacily "G*Damn America", I'd leave and never come back. There is no excuse to use the Lord's name in vain! The "Reverend" hates America, and I believe hates whites or at least is anti-white and I base my opinion on his own words. I also now question Obama's judgement. He has been a member of that church for 20 years, he was married by the Rev., his children where christened by him aswell. For him to say that he had now idea of his controversial opinions, and statements is hard to believe and I do not. This just gives me more of a reason NOT to vote for him. |
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| ThirdHarmony | Mar 18 2008, 10:18 PM Post #989 |
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I strongly suggest you check out the entire speech Obama delivered on race and his comments on Wright earlier today. These are Obama's words. Judge him on those. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWe7wTVbLUU It is not a short speech - but it concerns a serious issue worthy of attention, and whether you agree with him or not it is worth watching if not for any other reason than that these are the words of a man who may be the next president. |
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| JeffLynnesBeard | Mar 18 2008, 11:49 PM Post #990 |
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Why is it so offensive for that pastor to say "God Damn America" for the reasons he has cited? I have never understood why it is supposedly anti-White to voice the concerns of Black Americans. OK, this pastor is a little aggresive for the cause, but some of the things he is concerned about are real, are happening and are part of the disparity between the life of white and black Americans. Although I can well understand why a Presidential candidate may want to distance his or herself from that kind of inflammatory speech, it is without doubt that the pastor is speaking from the heart and believes that what he is saying is the truth. Only the truly blind would believe that he didn't have a point regarding some of his words. Some people may call in controversy. I'd call it a man speaking it as he sees it. This man is angry for a reason. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/mar/1...selections20083 |
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| beatlechick | Mar 19 2008, 01:25 AM Post #991 |
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Not that you would've anyway. Not one of O'Reilly's people. |
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| scottycatt | Mar 19 2008, 01:29 AM Post #992 |
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You said what I was thinking. :lol:
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| beatlechick | Mar 19 2008, 01:32 AM Post #993 |
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Thank you. What a speech! |
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| beatlechick | Mar 19 2008, 01:33 AM Post #994 |
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That's cuz brilliant minds think alike. Scary, ain't it?!?
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| Bill | Mar 19 2008, 01:34 AM Post #995 |
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Presumably you'll be opting for McCain then. I don't see you as a Nader man. :lol: So how do you reconcile McCain gratefully receiving the endorsement of the hateful John Hagee? Obama has rejected the Pastor's comments. McCain has accepted Hagee's endorsement. So who is more tainted? |
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| scottycatt | Mar 19 2008, 01:41 AM Post #996 |
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I can think of scarier things. :lol:
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| beatlechick | Mar 19 2008, 01:54 AM Post #997 |
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yeah, like 4 more years of more of the same
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| scottycatt | Mar 19 2008, 06:51 AM Post #998 |
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Nail. Head.
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| Reverend Dave | Mar 19 2008, 07:50 AM Post #999 |
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I'd never say what Mr. Obama's pastor said. Then again he'd probably never say some things I've said. I think you can get your point across about race relations in America without being so hostile. However, that has nothing to do with Mr. Obama. He's not responsible for the words of his pastor anymore than Mrs. Clinton or Mr. McCain are responsible for what other people say. I was hoping this would be an election based on the candidates and their positions. Sadly I think it will be another mud-slinging war of who has the least dirt on them. |
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| Deleted User | Mar 19 2008, 03:02 PM Post #1000 |
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JeffLynnesBeard wrote;
I believe I stated why in my original post, he used the Lord’s name in vain, I could care less what country(ies) follows. I also don’t know what “being called a n#@ger” has anything to do with being elected president. Is Obama more qualified because he has been called a n#@ger or is Clinton less qualified because she hasn’t? He speeks as if the country hasn't moved forward on the race issue. The racism door swings both ways. There are whites who hate blacks and blacks who hates whites. It is wrong either way. I have seen more reverse discrimination than the other way around. By the way, since his pastors comments Obama is not winning over more votes but lossing them. Bill wrote;
You presume too much. I have issues with McCain, and I have criticized him (publicly). I have never stated nor will I stated who I will vote for or, it’s none of anybody’s business. There is a thing called a "write-in" if I I am unhappy with the choices on the ballet.For the record, I am not a Rep., I am an Independent and a Traditionalist. |
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I love that idea. I have seen tabloids at the grocery store that say that the Hill has had lesbian affairs. I have no idea if that is true or not, but that will surely be fodder for the Repugs.


You presume too much. I have issues with McCain, and I have criticized him (publicly). I have never stated nor will I stated who I will vote for or, it’s none of anybody’s business. There is a thing called a "write-in" if I I am unhappy with the choices on the ballet.
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