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| The Great 'SF Awards' Debate; I'm leaving it to you guys... | |
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| JeffLynnesBeard | Dec 2 2006, 11:56 AM Post #1 |
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I've had quite a few members contact me and express that they were disappointed by what happened regarding the 'awards' and have encouraged me to take a poll of the members to see whether the majority want the awards to go ahead - or not. I'm willing to resurrect them if people are in favour of it, but am equally happy to let them be as some of our members obviously feel very strongly against the idea. What was supposed to be a nice, friendly and fun idea turned into a heated and passionate debate, so we'll get the debate over and done with and, being a democratic board, if our members decide they want the awards then those who don't should accept that decision. Likewise, if our members decide that they don't want the awards then those who do should also accept that. In other words, the time to voice your concerns or criticism is now, in this thread. If the vote means that the awards go ahead, any further criticism of the thread will not be permitted as it would have been the decision of the majority of our members, which should be respected. It feels like a very big deal has been made of what is, essentially, a silly fake 'awards' ceremony, but it worked well for the last couple of years on the Macca board and any criticism of them could be dismissed a little easier than on this forum because, as the site co-administrator, my actions not only reflect on me, but on the whole site & ethos of the site. So, I'm passing the buck. I'm letting you all decide what should and shouldn't be allowed to run on your forum. Needless to say that if this idea falls this year, it won't be resurrected next or any subseququent year. I'm going to let this poll & debate run for two days after which the idea will either live or die. Either way, I thought it important to let our members have the final say on this matter rather than just take a unilateral decision & risk making our members feel as if their opinions on the matter didn't count. I'm open to all of your ideas and opinions, just please keep your posts respectful of others, that's all I ask. All the best, Andy. |
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| Deleted User | Dec 2 2006, 12:06 PM Post #2 |
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I don't mind either way. I can see and have views on both sides of the fence. Yes, it is a laugh. Yes, it is nice to be voted for. BUT There are cliques. There are people who get forgotten. Then again, if you let a silly online poll rule your "life" you clearly don't have one, and that's just sad. With any thread, if you don't like it, don't post in it. Unless it is actually offensive to you, in which case report it. |
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| JeffLynnesBeard | Dec 2 2006, 12:07 PM Post #3 |
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Good points & good advice, Lauren.
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| pood for paul | Dec 2 2006, 12:52 PM Post #4 |
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Doesn't matter to me, one way or the other, Andy. I come here to be around other Paul lovers.
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| Merry | Dec 2 2006, 01:25 PM Post #5 |
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I don't mind either way, but whatever the outcome from the majority, I will happily accept it. I think it is very considerate of you to put it to a vote though, Andy! I just love BEING here with so many great people, so whatever goes is fine with me. As Lauren pointed out...if you don't like something, I think it's best to just ignore it and move on. Merry
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| BlueMolly2009 | Dec 2 2006, 02:11 PM Post #6 |
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I voted for yes, I'd love to see it come back. Yes, I feel like these type of things can hurt feelings, but if you keep an open mind and just think of it as fun there won't be any hurt feelings. |
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| foolonthehill | Dec 2 2006, 02:21 PM Post #7 |
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I liked the whole idea. But, as others have said, maybe by pm's. And, maybe each person should only be able to vote for each person ince (to avoid the cliqueness)...? But, yes, I'd like seeing them come back
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| MaccasGirl | Dec 2 2006, 02:51 PM Post #8 |
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I agree maybe doing it by a pm would keep the feelings from being hurt if people are worrying about that. I am open for it either way. |
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| BeatleBarb | Dec 2 2006, 03:18 PM Post #9 |
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I voted yes, cause I think it would be fun, plus I filled out my names! (threw it away though), but either way is also ok for me. You're a good sport, Andy, and as usual, are even handed, fair and above all, considerate and kind. |
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| maccascruff | Dec 2 2006, 04:25 PM Post #10 |
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I voted yes. I didn't send you a PM, Andy, but I was going to today when I had more time. I would like to see it back. It was just harmless fun in my opinion and if you don't like it, don't open it and don't participate. I don't think I'm part of a clique, but maybe some see that I am. I do have friends here. I know that. |
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| BeatleDude1964 | Dec 2 2006, 05:32 PM Post #11 |
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i think its a fun thing to do |
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| Dorfliedot | Dec 2 2006, 05:35 PM Post #12 |
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Yes, I enjoy doing it. but,I hope I can remember all names again.. |
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| Deleted User | Dec 2 2006, 05:49 PM Post #13 |
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I knew I could count on you to come through in your democratic way, Andy. Truthfully, I was surprised I didn't see this poll sooner. I just hope you still have my ballot.
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| ogoble | Dec 2 2006, 05:55 PM Post #14 |
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I just threw my list in the trash yesterday. Personally, I can live with whatever decision is made. If I don't receive votes from members here, it won't hurt my feelings. I just don't want to see others hurt...especially from me. Some of you may know that I used 3 silly little words in fun on the paulmccartney.com site and it offended 2 people there. My appologies were not enough and I was never forgiven by members there. I don't want that to happen here with my good friends. I think the SF awards are fun, but maybe ballots should be pmed to Andy in private.
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| Deleted User | Dec 2 2006, 06:00 PM Post #15 |
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i forgave you oggie. whilst it was in fun my entry was completely serious. |
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| Deleted User | Dec 2 2006, 06:19 PM Post #16 |
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Wasn't it g*t a r**m that got you in such hot water over there? :lol: |
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| modgirl1964 | Dec 2 2006, 06:33 PM Post #17 |
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I say no still, but if you guys want to do it, fine. Just do it in private and post the winners in private too. |
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| billyshears | Dec 2 2006, 06:36 PM Post #18 |
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I've never known about the Strawberry Fields awards. Can you fill me in on what it is? |
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| maccagirl1428 | Dec 2 2006, 06:41 PM Post #19 |
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i really dont care~im just to lazy to vote :wacko: why do you need awards? is it to show who is better at what? i thought this was a chat fourm for the beatles |
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| bluemeanie | Dec 2 2006, 06:51 PM Post #20 |
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I'd say if it does go ahead, do it as a closed thread where people can PM Andy with their votes
that way people are doing a democratic vote in confidence and no-one gets hurt - only a suggestion ans I've noticed others have suggested it too
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| Jacaranda | Dec 2 2006, 07:18 PM Post #21 |
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I think it would be fun but it's certainly okay by me if we don't do it. But if it is done, I would request ballots be PMed to Andy to avoid hurt feelings. |
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| maccascruff | Dec 2 2006, 07:21 PM Post #22 |
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I think people may be way too sensitive. I want to see the discussions. It was fun last year and it can be fun this year. I also want to see the winners. |
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| Deleted User | Dec 2 2006, 07:47 PM Post #23 |
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I decided I'm 'undecided' or of little or no opinion about it ... I wasn't here last year so I don't really have any idea what goes on with this thing. I'm a little curious about it all tho', but I'd probably be inclined to kind of hang around the periphery and see how things happen (i.e. not necessarily participate at this time due to a lack of involvement up until last month ... so I'm at a disadvantage in expertise on any of it). |
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| Deleted User | Dec 2 2006, 07:49 PM Post #24 |
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Like I said before, I don't quite see how saying, for example 'Merry, you are the kindest person I've met in a long time' should be taken as a criticism by any of my other friends... or saying 'Anna, you're so pretty' is like saying everyone else is ugly. I just don't get it. But, of course, just because I'm not offended to be on everyone's list for every positive category doesn't mean that no one will be offended and I can't really pass judgement on them. All I can say is that if anyone hurts my Andy's feelings I will have to beat them up.
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| Deleted User | Dec 2 2006, 07:55 PM Post #25 |
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Totally off-topic, but 'MaccaByrd' I had to do a 'truth-functional' logic course and that statement in your signature just caught my attention (it was one of the lines we had to analyze). Never thought I'd see it again.
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| ~LovelyRita~ | Dec 2 2006, 08:16 PM Post #26 |
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I'd really like to see it back, and I want it to be public. I love reading through people's "ballots". If you don't want to see who people vote for than don't read their posts. I always enjoyed this on the macca board and I think it's a really fun thing to celebrate the board's member at the end of the year. After all, what is a board without members? It's fun to celebrate others contributions to the board and I hope to see the SF Awards this year and for as many years as the board lasts. |
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| JeffLynnesBeard | Dec 2 2006, 08:19 PM Post #27 |
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If it does come back, then there will be the option for people to PM their ballots if they so desire, but the results definitely wouldn't be 'private' - let's face it, how on earth could we do that?
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| BikerLikeAnIcon | Dec 2 2006, 08:21 PM Post #28 |
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I want to see the awards return. I thought it was a fun idea. |
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| BlueMolly2009 | Dec 2 2006, 08:56 PM Post #29 |
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I don't get the freaking senstivity over people mentioning some names and others not being mentioned. I don't honestly see the cliques here, but maybe I'm part of one and don't see it. If you can't have fun avoid it all together. For those who are too sensitive, don't ruin the fun for the rest of us. I'm not going to name people I don't know. I'll name those I know and are friends with. People, this is just a message board, it's a place to have fun. Stop being so sensitive. I know I've taken message boards and the stuff that goes on with them to heart in the past, but until just fairly recently, I have started taking what goes on here with a grain of salt. I wish some people here would do the same and don't ruin it for the rest of us. I know it's nice to be honest and state your opinions, but do it in another thread or PM people. I dislike party poopers, and this is coming from a former one. Just have fun people, there's a lot more that you can worry about than who didn't mention your name. |
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| JeffLynnesBeard | Dec 2 2006, 09:35 PM Post #30 |
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The answer to that is - we don't need awards. They're completely inessential and a bit of fun... they're just to recognise all of the different people who come together & make this place everything that keeps people coming back day to day.
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| JeffLynnesBeard | Dec 2 2006, 09:39 PM Post #31 |
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I still have your form, Chad, don't worry. As for not seeing this poll sooner - well, I just wanted to let the dust settle and have my head completely clear before I re-opened this subject. I also believed that it wasn't solely my decision to make - Fiona and I may be the custodians of Strawberry Fields, but the members are really who decide the content.
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| BikerLikeAnIcon | Dec 2 2006, 09:42 PM Post #32 |
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Just wondering Andy, but how will the "Undecided" votes factor in? In any case it seems as if the "Yes" votes have it. At least so far. |
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| JeffLynnesBeard | Dec 2 2006, 09:45 PM Post #33 |
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We decided that we need a clear majority of 'yes' votes for the SF awards to go ahead, so the 'yes' votes must be more than the 'no' and the 'undecided' votes combined. That way we can be sure that we really are doing this for the majority.
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| beatlespud | Dec 2 2006, 09:49 PM Post #34 |
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I voted yes...I don't think it's clichish here... unlike the other board... I look at it this way... if people don't know me well enough to vote for me then it's my fault for not posting enough to let them do that... Dean |
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| BikerLikeAnIcon | Dec 2 2006, 09:49 PM Post #35 |
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So basically, the undecided votes count as no votes. Either way the yes votes are double the no and undecided votes combined. |
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| Deleted User | Dec 2 2006, 11:12 PM Post #36 |
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Now wait a second ... so basically if someone is 'indecisive' (such as myself) and I'm deciding to participate in the acknowledging that I'm at the very least 'undecided' that now I'm suddenly factored into the actual process by way of that vagary in the manner in which the tally would be handled. Geesh ... if I would have known that I probably wouldn't have bothered having an opinion in the first place, that's like way too similar to the Electorial College.
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| Deleted User | Dec 2 2006, 11:42 PM Post #37 |
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Okay ... whatever. Just thought I'd come back through and say I'm comfortable just leaving it to y'all to figure out with my blessings and well wishes. :mellow: |
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| BlueMolly2009 | Dec 2 2006, 11:50 PM Post #38 |
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That doesn't make sense about undecided automatically means a no vote. Then why have that choice when you are counting it as a no vote? Sometimes an undecided person doesn't mean they're automatically saying no. I'm not trying to say this to make you not having the awards, because I do hope you do, but just saying that undecided means no isn't right. It could discourage people from voting. Maybe I'm missing something. :hmm: |
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| Deleted User | Dec 2 2006, 11:57 PM Post #39 |
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It means that, unofficially, the undecided votes will be factored into whichever category (yes or no) that has the least amount of votes so that we can be extra positive that the winning result really is that. Don't worry yourselves so much over this. :hmm: |
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| BeatleBarb | Dec 3 2006, 12:10 AM Post #40 |
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Oh my, undecided votes, possibly hanging Chads (not beep!)! I agree - we shouldn't get too crazy with this stuff. You and Andy are great to entertain all of this - how democratic! This in itself, is worth a few votes. |
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| Big Beatle Fan | Dec 3 2006, 12:18 AM Post #41 |
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Well good Lord! What have I missed? I think an awards would be fun! I doubt very seriously if I'd win anything, but I still think it'd be fun. I voted YES! |
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| Bill | Dec 3 2006, 01:27 AM Post #42 |
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I like the idea because it gives us all an excuse to publically compliment our friends here without embarrassing them too much. Naturally, some people are going to be included and others are not in any individual's list. It doesn't mean we don't like the people who didn't quite make it to the list. There have been a couple of times this year when it has got back to me that some people think I didn't like them. I can honestly say that there is nobody here who I don't like - just people who I know better than others. If I never did it, I was only waiting For a better moment, that didn't come You know what comes next. This gives us the moment. |
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| BikerLikeAnIcon | Dec 3 2006, 01:51 AM Post #43 |
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Great. Now I can't get that song out of my head...
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| manon | Dec 3 2006, 01:57 AM Post #44 |
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I vote yes. I don,t expect to read my name on it because I am not so active on the forum but I like to read and I enjoy people on this forum.
I think nobody should feel hurt about this contest. It is only a game for fun. And yes, it is much more for a clique but that clique is a beautiful clique that included all the members of Strawberry Field Forum. Some are more active and it is good like that for me. Forum are for fun...
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| Deleted User | Dec 3 2006, 01:57 AM Post #45 |
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That's SUCH a good song, though!
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| Deleted User | Dec 3 2006, 02:08 AM Post #46 |
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well iwas winning one category hands down. |
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| kink | Dec 3 2006, 02:14 AM Post #47 |
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Yes, I would like to see them back. Even though I was not sure I would participate I enjoyed the whole thing. However, because I strongly dislike the millions of posts that come between the votes and all the irrelevant discussions that arise, I'll vote for the PM method if we're finally given the chance. That spoils the fun a bit, but it's also better if there are people who are actually offended by an internet game. |
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| BeatleBarb | Dec 3 2006, 02:56 AM Post #48 |
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Quit having a life and pay attention, would ya? |
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| billyshears | Dec 3 2006, 03:08 AM Post #49 |
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Yes, I like the PM method, as well. |
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| maccascruff | Dec 3 2006, 03:08 AM Post #50 |
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I don't think it is the least bit fair for the undecided votes to go as a no vote. That isn't what people who voted were saying. They said they didn't care. Olen, I remember what three words you said and that reaction was way overboard. You can say those three words here. I don't care if I don't get a single vote. I want it all in public. It's fun. I enjoy it and I don't think I belong to any cliques. I have friends on here, but most people have fun on here. |
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| BeatleBarb | Dec 3 2006, 03:16 AM Post #51 |
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I have to appreciate your position, Linda and say that we've enjoyed such freedoms here on this forum - that it is a shame that something in the spirit of fun cannot be embraced. Let it all hang out! |
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| Emilee | Dec 3 2006, 03:25 AM Post #52 |
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I personally would like to see it come back. I have no issues if it were to be done privately or publicly, but I do admit I were prefer it to be public. Because at the end of the day, its all just a bit of fun. Nothing more, nothing less. It's something that is intended to be positive, not to offend anybody. If I didn't recieve a single vote it wouldn't bother me nor would it offend me in the slightest, because I have met alot of good people here & made new friends. Thats all that matters. ''SF Awards'' will not change my opinions on the people who post here. Because personally, I like you all. |
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| JeffLynnesBeard | Dec 3 2006, 04:06 AM Post #53 |
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I believe that it is fair and makes perfect sense for the awards thread to happen if it is supported by the majority of board members. Look at it this way - if the majority of people are either against it or don't care, then we'd be going ahead with something that a majority of people do not actively want and, if that was the case, then it would be very easy for the members who did not want the thread to exist to say that the majority of the members did not support the idea. Basically, if you are indifferent or have no opinion, then you do not want this scheme to go ahead, so the only vote for the awards is a yes vote. Whilst I acknowledge that perhaps I could have made this detail more clear from the start instead of waiting until Tassy asked, the way the votes have gone so far, we're looking at 25 for yes and 11 for no/undecided, so it is - at present - largely irrelevant.
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| billyshears | Dec 3 2006, 04:12 AM Post #54 |
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When does voting end? |
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| JeffLynnesBeard | Dec 3 2006, 04:21 AM Post #55 |
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Sometime on Monday - I'll give people a couple of hours' notice of when it is going to close.
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| FamousGroupie | Dec 3 2006, 04:30 AM Post #56 |
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I'd like to see them back. Publicly. As has been said, if you don't like it, don't participate. Although I must say, if you get your knickers twisted because you're not on someone's list, then you need a reality check. |
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| billyshears | Dec 3 2006, 04:46 AM Post #57 |
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26-11 now. |
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| Emilee | Dec 3 2006, 04:55 AM Post #58 |
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Exactacally. |
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| ogoble | Dec 3 2006, 05:45 AM Post #59 |
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:rolleyes: Okay Linda...beep...you asked for it... "Get A Room!" If I offended either of you...well that's just tough! |
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| Dorfliedot | Dec 3 2006, 05:56 AM Post #60 |
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I feel offended! for you left me out... :angry: |
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| ogoble | Dec 3 2006, 06:06 AM Post #61 |
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:angry: Well, you wanna know what I have to say to you about that?... "Get A Room!!!"
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| Dorfliedot | Dec 3 2006, 06:09 AM Post #62 |
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Oh, so, you want to share? the price for a room cost.. can't afford one by myself..
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| ogoble | Dec 3 2006, 06:21 AM Post #63 |
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Sad to say, it's been a long time since someone told me to get a room.Andy can change my vote for the awards to "yes" as long as no one gets their feelings hurt...or as Tassy would say "Panties in a Wad."
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| theonlyfab4fan | Dec 3 2006, 06:37 AM Post #64 |
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Well not to create an argument but I disagree that indifference equals no. If you are going to give the votes in the undecided category any weight in deciding this poll then the fair thing to do would be to split the undecided votes between yes and no. For example if there are 20 undecided/ no opinion votes, then credit 10 to the no category and 10 to the yes category. |
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| Bill | Dec 3 2006, 06:57 AM Post #65 |
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So long as the "Yes" vote is over 50%, the interpretation of "undecided" is neither here nor there. |
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| theonlyfab4fan | Dec 3 2006, 07:06 AM Post #66 |
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True, but if the number should shift and suddenly the undecideds tipped the yes to less than 50%, then they would automatically be given the weight of a no vote? Undecided is undecided. It means I don`t care one way or another. Is it fair to then assume that undecided all of the sudden means an imphatic no? If undecided really means no then people who have already voted undecided would not now be saying in that case change my vote to yes. Would have been nice to have been told prior to the start of voting just how much or little impact undecided would have on the results of this poll. |
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| Dorfliedot | Dec 3 2006, 07:17 AM Post #67 |
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Oh, for Christ's sweet sake. Even the poll is producing negativity! I don't believe it. People will argue over the smallest details. First the Awards are cancelled because we can't agree on whether or not they are "insensitive". Now we're arguing over the validity of Undecided votes! Andy, change my vote to "Forget it." :rolleyes: |
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| Dorfliedot | Dec 3 2006, 09:56 AM Post #69 |
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:lol: I thought this was a debate poll.. Will the true Republicans and Democrat please step out.
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| Deleted User | Dec 3 2006, 10:31 AM Post #70 |
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I agree. I don't want my neutral vote to be factored in either way. |
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| Dorfliedot | Dec 3 2006, 10:34 AM Post #71 |
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I am not worried the yes people a still winning..
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| BlueMolly2009 | Dec 3 2006, 11:04 AM Post #72 |
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I think we shouldn't squabble too much about the Yes or No thing with the undecided or Andy might reconcider doing the awards all togeter. It looks like it's 27 yes, which is a good sign, or should it be 100 votes to get this thing going? |
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| Dorfliedot | Dec 3 2006, 11:08 AM Post #73 |
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I think that we should think about what we think. and what is what we think and so forth.yeah, that is what I think..
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| Deleted User | Dec 3 2006, 01:14 PM Post #74 |
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ARGH! I love you guys, but you don't understand! Don't look at it as 'undecided' being tallied as 'no' look at it as not being tallied as 'yes'!
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| Kopite | Dec 3 2006, 01:18 PM Post #75 |
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I think that we should not think so much about what we think about when we reallly should think of what the others think when you think that I think that this is maybe not a thing I will take part in when I think of what others will think when I do not think about someone I really should think about because they thought of me when I thought about something else, and I am sorry if that shoud happen. Ok?
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| Dorfliedot | Dec 3 2006, 01:38 PM Post #76 |
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yeah, right that is what I thought.
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| Bill | Dec 3 2006, 01:52 PM Post #77 |
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Exactly! It's just erring on the side of caution. Thank goodness someone understands preferential voting!
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| theonlyfab4fan | Dec 3 2006, 02:10 PM Post #78 |
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First off Clare, I would like to say that I appreciate your frustration. I would like to make an attempt to clarify my point. The awards initially were cancelled because 1 member had a rant. Bless Andy, his well intentioned bit of fun was made out to be something vile and divisive. I imagine he must have been terribly hurt by the insensitivity of it all. Yet behaved like a perfect gentleman. Even accepted a somewhat defiant apology and did his best to make peace. Now we all know that a lot of political debate takes place on this board about democracy, voting and the best system of electing a government. So, in an attempt to put right a wrong it was decided to treat this board as if it were a democracy and let the membership decide whether there should be awards or not. Which is a fair and reasonable thing to do. Especially when it wasn`t particularly fair to kill the whole thing to start with due to 1 person getting in a snit. I prefer to think of this as a healthy discussion about the pros and cons of the proposed voting system rather than an argument. It matters little to me at this point that the yesses are winning and most likely will. Just because the vote went the way you hoped it would is not a reason to justify a voting system that allows the possibility of a matter being ultimately decided by those who had no care one way or another in the first place. If that were allowed to happen it would be just like living in the United States.
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| Deleted User | Dec 3 2006, 02:22 PM Post #79 |
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oi the undecided are the majority here (britiain) they were more than who voted for the sodding labour syndicate. |
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| BlueMolly2009 | Dec 3 2006, 02:30 PM Post #80 |
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But this is just a message board though, some people 9including myself, sad to say) got their knickers in a bind over the yes, no thing with the undecided. I slapped myself back into reality though and realized that I should get upset over stuff going on in the "real" world. |
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| Bill | Dec 3 2006, 02:36 PM Post #81 |
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Proving the adage that bad officials are elected by good people who don't vote. If they can't be bothered getting off their shitter to tick the least-worst box, then they deserve all they get. |
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| HGentile | Dec 3 2006, 02:47 PM Post #82 |
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Hi all! I voted yes. Even though I don't have hardly any time on here anymore, I remembered how much fun it was last year. I still have a few minutes in the morning to come on and do some reading so I am still able to keep up with things happening here. If you don't think it's a good idea, simply don't participate. No need to ruin it for everyone else. If I don't like a thread I don't go complaining about it, I simply don't read it. P.S. - I miss you all!!!! Holly
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| Jacaranda | Dec 3 2006, 04:01 PM Post #83 |
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| BEATNUT | Dec 3 2006, 05:12 PM Post #84 |
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Hello all, long time no speak. As always I will throw in my 'not' politically correct view. Last year I didn't participate over at that 'other' place because it made me sick to my stomach that some morons thought who the hell they were and actually thought they won an Academy Award. The thanking of every single person turns my stomach and makes me want to vomit. I believe that Andy always does or tries to do what's best for everyone, but you can't make everyone happy all the time. To those knuckleheads that oppose the voting for something that 99.9% of the population here think is harmless fun, how about not bothering to read the thread? Why should a public vote be notified by PM? Do you people actually read what you write? So if you don't open the thread or bother to read it you have ZERO chance of getting your feelings hurt or thinking some absurd crap like people are in cliques. God how I hate that word!! So Andy, my advice to you, and it's only advice, is to stop catering to the whiners and the minority when it's the majority that keeps your board alive and well. Have a good day all, and as Beethoven once said "I'll be Bach"!
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| maccascruff | Dec 3 2006, 05:44 PM Post #85 |
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This is quite true. There are also a lot of threads here that I don't like. I just don't go near them. Guess I should start turning them all in and getting them removed. But I won't stoop to that. If people are that sensitive, they have some real problems, IMO. |
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| maccascruff | Dec 3 2006, 05:44 PM Post #86 |
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I wasn't offended when you said it over there and I'm not offended now, Olen. |
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| maccascruff | Dec 3 2006, 05:49 PM Post #87 |
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Good to see you, Nutty. As usual, you have words of wisdom to speak. I think it was one person who did all the whining, so we cater to one person. I really didn't think that is what this board is all about. |
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| Deleted User | Dec 3 2006, 06:00 PM Post #88 |
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Uh ... I personally just thought I was being somewhat ironic with my vent about the undecided votes. I mean think about it ... I actually have no opinion, but now suddenly that argument became such a point of contention between those that had an opinion (yes or no) and those that had no opinion. I still think it's funny ... such the troublemaker right?
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| BEATNUT | Dec 3 2006, 06:10 PM Post #89 |
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If you're referring to my post, it's not about undecided votes. I could care less about that. I'm referring to those who think it's stupid, and those who think whoever wins by the voting of categories should be told in PM. I never heard of something so ridiculous. If you don't want to know who was voted for and who won, then don't open the damn thread. Problem solved. Nice to see you here Linda!
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| beatlechick | Dec 3 2006, 06:12 PM Post #90 |
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H O L L Y ! ! ! I think all of this is bs. As has been said before, if you don't like the thread - Don't Participate!!!! Very simple. The 'awards' were fun on pm.com last year and would be fun again this year. If people are so concerned about cliques, then get out of one. Here are definitions of cliques that show they are simply social groups cliques I think this thing about doing it by pm is bs, too. If we are to have the 'awards' then we need to do this publically. We all say how we don't have time to be here or on the internet very much so why would we assume that Andy and Fiona would? There are more important things to worry about than these 'awards' and if you are popular enough to make the list. Olen, all I have to say to you is Get a f*cking Room, Already!!!
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| maccascruff | Dec 3 2006, 06:28 PM Post #91 |
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Great to see you here, Nutty. It's quite simple to not participate or not open the thread. As I've said before, I didn't win a thing last year and it didn't bother me. I also don't think I belong to a clique. Yes, my friends here tend to be mostly older members, but that is because I'm older, not because of anything else. I've never belonged to a clique in my life. I was a total outcast in high school. I got tired of the incessant thank yous last year over there. Those really aren't necessary. I also think voted by PM is total bs. Andy and Fiona do have a life and this forum takes up a lot of their time already. Just calculating the votes will be time consuming enough. Maybe we could do it all by a huge poll of all the members. I don't expect to win an award and it won't bother me in the least. What does bother me is that the opinion of a single person or maybe two or three people allowed the awards to be canceled. It's quite easy not to open the thread. There are all kinds of threads on this forum I have never, ever opened and never will. |
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This is by far the most entertaining thread on the board right now. |
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| maccascruff | Dec 3 2006, 06:33 PM Post #93 |
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That it is, Chad. |
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| Deleted User | Dec 3 2006, 06:34 PM Post #94 |
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This is what I abhorred about PM.com. The complaints of a few led to the rejection of the majority's wants. |
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| maccascruff | Dec 3 2006, 06:40 PM Post #95 |
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And I hate to see it happen here. That is a major reason why I have liked it here and have pretty much avoided pm.com. |
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| BeatleBarb | Dec 3 2006, 06:56 PM Post #96 |
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Well, I must say that this debate has surely created the possibility of some new award categories.
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| BEATNUT | Dec 3 2006, 07:14 PM Post #97 |
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Oh yeah! Like what?
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| billyshears | Dec 3 2006, 07:14 PM Post #98 |
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Yes is winning 30-16. |
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| theonlyfab4fan | Dec 3 2006, 07:32 PM Post #99 |
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Lacivious Librarian. Hugs Beatnut, so nice to see you. |
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| Deleted User | Dec 3 2006, 07:33 PM Post #100 |
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I believe we all can agree that by knowing who the popular members of our board are can help us (all) to enhance our communicational skills by studying and applying their attitudes and techniques to ourselves, while maintaining our individualism. I suggest we all look at this as a learning mechanism, and not depreciate articulate and dynamic peronalities by tagging them with negative connotations. Let us all live, love and learn by seeing the positive points. They're there when you look for them. |
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