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Kids being adopted Overseas!; a.k.a. The Madonna adoption thread
Topic Started: Oct 18 2006, 06:37 AM (367 Views)
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I am all about celebrities adopting kids over seas. But, what about million kids over here that need a family.
Hey, growing up I would have loved one these mommy dearest or daddy dearest.
Yes, Joan Crawford came into mind.
In that movie I was thinking even though she did get keep all present she was lucky to at least get one to keep.
Hick all present in my life I got from my foster parents they took back as soon as I left there house. Everytime I got something I would think it not mine there just going to take it back.
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If, as I suspect, this has been prompted by Madonna's latest stunt, I think it's apalling.

In fact, whenever I watch Ab-Fab now, I see Madonna. Anyone remember when Eddy was going to adopt a Romanian baby just to spite Saffy and prove she could?
Does anyone see any parallels here? She just wants that kid as a fashion accessory. It's sick! :angry:
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Oct 17 2006, 10:57 PM
If, as I suspect, this has been prompted by Madonna's latest stunt, I think it's apalling.

In fact, whenever I watch Ab-Fab now, I see Madonna. Anyone remember when Eddy was going to adopt a Romanian baby just to spite Saffy and prove she could?
Does anyone see any parallels here? She just wants that kid as a fashion accessory.  It's sick!  :angry:

Well Bill, I wish I had a Celebrity who wanted me for that purpose. Maybe, I would grow up in a different way then I did.
Hick! I was always someone door matt anyways.. ;)
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Oct 18 2006, 06:57 AM
...She just wants that kid as a fashion accessory.  It's sick!  :angry:

I think that is a bit harsh Bill.

I haven't seen many pictures of Madonna's children in the press other than grab shots. I am not an avid reader of celebrity magazines so I'm preparaed to be corrected on that matter

Whatever Madonna and Guy Ritchie's motivations for adopting a child if that is actually the case then I do think they are misguided. As Dorothy says there are plenty of Children here or in the US who are looking for loving families. If they are trying to help children in Malawi then I think there are better ways for them to do this than they way they have chosen but I do think it is a bit harsh to say the child is a fashion accessory,
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I'm confused as to why Madonna & Guy Ritchie, if they wanted to adopt a child, didn't go through the proper channels, undergo the same checks that every other prospective new adoptive parents have to and adopt a British or American child - there are plenty in need. I can understand their need to have another child, but the way they have gone about this is misguided at best.
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Oct 18 2006, 09:29 AM
I'm confused as to why Madonna & Guy Ritchie, if they wanted to adopt a child, didn't go through the proper channels, undergo the same checks that every other prospective new adoptive parents have to and adopt a British or American child - there are plenty in need. I can understand their need to have another child, but the way they have gone about this is misguided at best.

In Britain, the adoption agencies discourage inter-racial adoption. You see, I can see both sides. Of course, a black child would look out of place with white parents. And there are cultural differences too; I know Black British people with African or Caribbean parents, and they embrace that culture at home, whereas a black child adopted into a white family may never get to experience that. Also, the child could become a target for bullying later in life; you know how kids pick on any differences. Then again, the child WOULD learn about acceptance and how it's normal to be mixed, etc.

But there are so many, as Andy says, kids in America and England who need homes; who have also had parents die and had poverty and hardship. The uncle of the child Madonna wants to adopt, has said his brother (the baby's father) was misguided and was therefore taken advantage of and so I think Madonna should maybe have just donated money to the community to keep the boy there with his family and it would have helped everyone.
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Oct 18 2006, 10:43 AM
I think Madonna should maybe have just donated money to the community to keep the boy there with his family and it would have helped everyone.

I agree with you entirely - if she wanted to make a difference to their lives then she could have done so much more good with her money than just taking one boy away from his heritage and family.
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Oct 18 2006, 01:53 AM
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I think Madonna should maybe have just donated money to the community to keep the boy there with his family and it would have helped everyone.

I agree with you entirely - if she wanted to make a difference to their lives then she could have done so much more good with her money than just taking one boy away from his heritage and family.

I agree, what is important then ones own family. Madonna, could adopted someone who didn't have there family. My family is screw up for we don't know each other. I was four when CPS took us from my mom and places me in a foster family. And my first foster family was black.

Back when I was place with black people. White people didn't see as ok.
On a beach this white guy tried run me my twin over. Because, we were white kids with a black family. I heard him say, I rather kill those kids then to see them with a black family. When the cops came they swore they didn't see my twin and I. when I went to say to the cop what was said, my black foster mother told me if I open my mouth I would be whipped. My black family wasn't too nice either they abused William and I. I am not saying all black people are that way. But, they were. At age 8 we were taken out there home for abused. Believe or not they weren’t going take me out they gave me choice if I wanted to stay or not. Till this day I am wondering what Social workers were thinking when they ask me that. Here my brother had marks up and down his back, and I know I had some as well, and they ask” me if I wanted to stay. Course answer was no.
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I was talking to my Mom about thi and we both agreed (and I know this opinion won't be popular here) but we think people are making too much of a big deal about this. It's just because she's a celebrity that people are paying attention to this. If she was someone that wasn't in the spotlight and who did the same thing as she did it wouldn't be in the spotlight.
We don't know what Madonna did when she got the baby. And what gives us the right to judge her? I'm not defending what she did, but there are a lot more important things to get upset over. Maybe I'm totally wrong with my opinion and I know I'll get an earful for my opinion.
Also, I hate how people judge Madonna or any other celebrity on their parenting skills when they haven't seen them in action. I've read and heard that Madonna is a good mother to Lola and Rocco. She might not be on people's favorite people lists, but I think she is from what I've heard a good Mom.
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I was not saying Madonna isn't a good mother.
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Oct 18 2006, 01:34 PM
I was talking to my Mom about thi and we both agreed (and I know this opinion won't be popular here) but we think people are making too much of a big deal about this. It's just because she's a celebrity that people are paying attention to this. If she was someone that wasn't in the spotlight and who did the same thing as she did it wouldn't be in the spotlight.
We don't know what Madonna did when she got the baby. And what gives us the right to judge her? I'm not defending what she did, but there are a lot more important things to get upset over. Maybe I'm totally wrong with my opinion and I know I'll get an earful for my opinion.
Also, I hate how people judge Madonna or any other celebrity on their parenting skills when they haven't seen them in action. I've read and heard that Madonna is a good mother to Lola and Rocco. She might not be on people's favorite people lists, but I think she is from what I've heard a good Mom.

But Molly, we HAVE seen some of these famous people showing off their parenting skills!!

1. Britney Spears, in her attempt to get away from the press, places her baby in her lap and SPEEDS AWAY in her car!!

2. Wacko Jacko suspends his little bundle of joy from a balcony.

And this was when the cameras were on them!! What is life like for these children when the cameras are nowhere to be found?
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Speaking for my daughter, the reason why they didn't adopt in the US is because the biological parents have a full year to ask for their child back. In the mean time, you become attached to this child. A lot of people don't want to take this risk. Maybe foster care is different I don't know.

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Does anyone know when she first started the process of adopting the child? Because I have only heard about it in the news for the last week or so. Apparently adopting a child from overseas can take as long as four years and (as long as that seems to me) Madonna supposedly has taken much less. Why could that be? Posted Image
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Oct 18 2006, 02:31 PM
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Oct 18 2006, 01:34 PM
I was talking to my Mom about thi and we both agreed (and I know this opinion won't be popular here) but we think people are making too much of a big deal about this.  It's just because she's a celebrity that people are paying attention to this.  If she was someone that wasn't in the spotlight and who did the same thing as she did it wouldn't be in the spotlight. 
We don't know what Madonna did when she got the baby.  And what gives us the right to judge her?  I'm not defending what she did, but there are a lot more important things to get upset over.  Maybe I'm totally wrong with my opinion and I know I'll get an earful for my opinion. 
Also, I hate how people judge Madonna or any other celebrity on their parenting skills when they haven't seen them in action.  I've read and heard that Madonna is a good mother to Lola and Rocco.  She might not be on people's favorite people lists, but I think she is from what I've heard a good Mom.

But Molly, we HAVE seen some of these famous people showing off their parenting skills!!

1. Britney Spears, in her attempt to get away from the press, places her baby in her lap and SPEEDS AWAY in her car!!

2. Wacko Jacko suspends his little bundle of joy from a balcony.

And this was when the cameras were on them!! What is life like for these children when the cameras are nowhere to be found?

BUT people make mistakes.

The Micheal Jackson example aside, Britney made a mistake. She is a young Mum and she's trying her hardest. There are MANY more examples of non-celebrities who have made much worse parenting mistakes. Britney's every move was being watched. Of course they were going to catch her slipping up at some point. We can't say celebrities aren't allowed children!?!? Especially when thirteen year old who got pregnant on some one night stand with a guy they'll never see again and have no money or prospects is allowed them...

I think people ARE making a big deal about this. Madonna is a good mother and has the right to adopt a child from wherever she wants to. She will give the baby a good home. Yes there are children in the US and the Uk who need homes, and there are many people who want to adopt or foster from home.

It is a good thing that celbrities want to give underprivalidged children homes. Madonna has still put money into an orphanage. She wanted another child, and maybe it was a little late for her to concieve so she wanted to adopt and I think she can adopt from wherever she wants. The colour of the skin shouldn't affect that if she makes sure he learns about his heritage and culture as well as her's.

I have one friend who is black and was adopted by white parents, she knows about her past and her family's history in Africa and is well rounded and happy. I have another friend who was aoptyed from Romania and he has grown into a happy and confident teenager.
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Oct 18 2006, 02:37 PM
Does anyone know when she first started the process of adopting the child? Because I have only heard about it in the news for the last week or so. Apparently adopting a child from overseas can take as long as four years and (as long as that seems to me) Madonna supposedly has taken much less. Why could that be? Posted Image

I think it could be that the adoption hasn't gone ahead yet Fiona - only that the process has begun.
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Oct 18 2006, 04:43 AM
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Oct 18 2006, 09:29 AM
I'm confused as to why Madonna & Guy Ritchie, if they wanted to adopt a child, didn't go through the proper channels, undergo the same checks that every other prospective new adoptive parents have to and adopt a British or American child - there are plenty in need.  I can understand their need to have another child, but the way they have gone about this is misguided at best.

In Britain, the adoption agencies discourage inter-racial adoption. You see, I can see both sides. Of course, a black child would look out of place with white parents. And there are cultural differences too; I know Black British people with African or Caribbean parents, and they embrace that culture at home, whereas a black child adopted into a white family may never get to experience that. Also, the child could become a target for bullying later in life; you know how kids pick on any differences. Then again, the child WOULD learn about acceptance and how it's normal to be mixed, etc.

But there are so many, as Andy says, kids in America and England who need homes; who have also had parents die and had poverty and hardship. The uncle of the child Madonna wants to adopt, has said his brother (the baby's father) was misguided and was therefore taken advantage of and so I think Madonna should maybe have just donated money to the community to keep the boy there with his family and it would have helped everyone.

I'm all for inter-racial familys, infact my family is one of them.

My cousins Cami & Nicholas aren't white.
Cami is from Houndoras and Nicholas is an african american.
I love those two kids with all my heart, THEY ARE MY FAMILY
regardless of their orgin or color.. same goes with Madonna and Angelinia Jolie and all the other celebritys who have adopoted children of different orgin.
Once they are offically adopted, that's their son & daughter, not a new purse!

The way I think about adoptions is that your giving that individual a loving (well.. in some cases) warm home, a home to grow up in and to learn, and to have a mother and father, or two moms or two dads. I'm all up for it. My gay brother is looking into adopting, just like his Aunt Marie did.. and I can tell you.. that coming into Marie's home was very loving and very warm.. and Cami, Nicholas and Marie, And my aunt Bonnie.. their one happy family
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Oct 18 2006, 03:12 PM
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Oct 18 2006, 02:37 PM
Does anyone know when she first started the process of adopting the child?  Because I have only heard about it in the news for the last week or so.  Apparently adopting a child from overseas can take as long as four years and (as long as that seems to me) Madonna supposedly has taken much less.  Why could that be? Posted Image

I think it could be that the adoption hasn't gone ahead yet Fiona - only that the process has begun.

True but she was still allowed to take the child out of the country. It does bother me that there is an attitude, seemingly, that since Angelina Jolie has done it so can others. Except Angelina Jolie went through channels and has worked with the people adopting out the children. She is a goodwill ambassador for the UN who has taken her job to heart and actually goes out to the countries and works there for several months. She knows what she is getting herself into when she works with the families and the children she adopts. I have heard that she is going for another adoption. If Madonna is following Angelina's footsteps, I hope she is doing it because she feels that she can fulfill a need wherever she goes and not be doing this to make herself feel good and for publicity. Only time will tell.
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I can understand Madonna wanting to help - the poverty out there is terrible - and her wanting to give a child a better life but I think child sponsorship would have been better - she could probably afford to sponsor a whole village!
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