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| Article on Chinese fur farming; With Paul and Heather mention | |
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| Deleted User | Aug 30 2006, 11:02 AM Post #1 |
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http://www.paulmccartney.name/MOUNTAIN_VIE..._TRADE/1452.htm |
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| Deleted User | Aug 30 2006, 01:58 PM Post #2 |
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Thank you, Lauren. I really, really need to be calm while responding with this so as not to say something that I shouldn't as a moderator and person who considers herself to be friends with everyone here. But this upsets me so much. How, just how, could anyone with a heart go on living this way? Why can't we use our power as humans to help the weak and less fortunate? I am actually in tears, blubbering like a child, because I have just seen the video I am about to post and it kills me that I can't help these poor animals, these babies. Heather Mills speaks out against the fur trade. Our fellow humans are capable of things I just can't even imagine and I plead with anyone who wears fur to please let down your defenses for one moment. No one wants to tell you what to do, I just BEG of you to remember these creatures and how they're no different from your family pets, how their pain and confusion is no less than ours, and that we don't need to use them in this horrific way. It's just not worth it in the end. Please. It's so easy. Please. Thank you. |
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| MaccasGirl | Aug 30 2006, 02:20 PM Post #3 |
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That's absolutely the worst thing I've ever seen. Horrible and cruel. I am crying with you, Fiona. |
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| BeatleBarb | Aug 30 2006, 02:37 PM Post #4 |
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I know I can't watch the video. I know what to expect and just can't witness it. I just don't know how human beings can promote such cruelty by continuing to wear fur. It's so disgusting, yet so easily avoided. I'm sorry you ladies are crying....I'm just not up to watching the video. I'll have to do what I can do in other ways of support by donating when I can, letter writing, etc. |
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| kink | Aug 30 2006, 02:37 PM Post #5 |
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I have seen this footage before, it is appalling, shocking, horrifying, hideous, revolting, repulsive. There aren't enough words. I would never wear fun either way, but that is just barbaric. It's disgusting. WHAT THE f*ck. |
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| Deleted User | Aug 30 2006, 03:24 PM Post #6 |
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Fiona, I've seen this video too and it makes me cry and gag every time. I can't understand it. I never will. How can I, as a human being? |
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| Merry | Aug 30 2006, 03:44 PM Post #7 |
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I can't watch it either, it's just too much for me to look at, I'm sorry! I don't know how human beings can be so completely cruel to our fellow creatures in the name of sheer vanity! It just sickens me! I just can't bear to see any innocent beings go through suffering. Merry |
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| Rose | Aug 30 2006, 03:54 PM Post #8 |
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Well, here's another clue for you all, the Walrus was Paul...
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Horrible. I won't be able to watch the video, either...I know that it will just affect me the same as everyone else...and then the visions of these poor animals...dying...will be forever seared into my brain.
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| Deleted User | Aug 30 2006, 04:42 PM Post #9 |
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I'm so grateful for you kind, compassionate people. I had to watch the video to know what I was posting. I was actually looking for a clip from the documentary Heather made which I saw on television but this was something else and equally effective. It was almost too much. There were moments when I shut my eyes but I'll never forget what I did see. I have seen many videos relating to these sorts of things but I can honestly say that I have never seen a dog, who was completely skinned, lift it's head and look around. I peeled some dead skin off my heel today and I think that hurts... I just can't imagine. Unfortunately, I fear that the only people who are watching these videos are the ones who don't really need to. I'd love to see someone say 'Wow, this never occured to me. I'll do my best to ease their suffering from now on.' That would make my day. Week. Month... |
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| Deleted User | Aug 31 2006, 12:37 PM Post #10 |
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I actually almost passed out the first time I saw that poor, completely skinless dog, move its head. I don't think I'll ever get over that, however many times I see it.
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| Deleted User | Aug 31 2006, 03:21 PM Post #11 |
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On a slighter more encouraging note, that was a very good article. |
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| ~LovelyRita~ | Aug 31 2006, 06:50 PM Post #12 |
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I was thinking about watching it but when I read your comments about the dog... I just couldn't do it. Do people really do that, why can't they at the very least kill the animal first? I'm joining the equal rights for animals club here on campus. We volunteer at a shelter and do protests for animal rights and such. I may not be able to stop atrocity's like this one, but hopefully I can help a little. |
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| scottycatt | Sep 1 2006, 01:44 AM Post #13 |
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Fiona, thanks for posting this. Unfortunately, I don't have the courage to watch it. I saw a video once, many years back, showing other kinds of animals being slaughtered. I am still haunted by the sights and sounds and I know I wouldn't be able to revisit another atrocious scene. There was a feature on 20/20 or maybe it was Dateline NBC just a few years ago, about the cat and dog fur trade in China. I had to look away from the screen, but just listening to the horrific stories, I was a blubbering mess. To this day, I start crying uncontrollably when I pass a tractor-trailer carrying cows, pigs or chickens to their death. The images in my mind are so vivid. . . I don't know how ANYONE could kill ANY animal, unless it was in self-defense.
I've rescued 15 cats, 3 dogs, one mouse and countless injured birds, turtles and squirrels and I lay awake nights wondering and agonizing about all the animals trapped in all the so-called shelters that will most likely meet with an untimely death, all because of the crime of not having a home. It saddens and sickens me to think of the power we as humans have over creatures who can't speak for themselves, and how we misuse that power. How did our world ever get to this point??
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| BeatleBarb | Sep 1 2006, 01:49 AM Post #14 |
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Grace - That is wonderful! You are awesome. Bev - I agonize over the same stuff....two peas we are. Does anyone know of some measures, petitions, etc that we can look in to in terms of support? |
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| Deleted User | Sep 1 2006, 01:43 PM Post #15 |
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Grace, well done! Nothing feels as good as getting out there and hands on and knowing you're making a difference. I applaude you. Bev, you're just fantastic. I love how passionate you are about this and I feel just the same way. It is probably the thing I am most heated about and I love what you've done for the animals. I'm glad NBC did a report on the horrors of the fur trade. It's important that it gets publicity and not just from us 'animal rights freaks'. Anyway, it's so good to see that someone else feels this way about the injustice, even though it can be a lousy feeling sometimes. Barb, I've found a few links for you to sign. I've done so and hope others will. I know it's Heather but I support her actions here and this one looks the most promising. Started by just another citizen but looks like it's doing alright. A couple pages to get through on this one but I'm willing to sign just about anything. Simply an outline for letters you can write, especially in Europe. An outline for a letter/email you can send to Ebay on it's participation in fur trading. If anyone finds anything else, please share it. Nothing is too time-consuming when it comes to these animals. |
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| BeatleBarb | Sep 1 2006, 02:19 PM Post #16 |
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Thanks, Fiona. I will certainly check these out and spread the word. Also, just this morning in my email, I received an email from the Humane Society (humansociety@hsus.org) that was about the fur trade. I signed that pledge and sent it to everyone on my email list. |
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| Deleted User | Sep 1 2006, 03:05 PM Post #17 |
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Great! I don't think I'm on their list but I will check out the site. ------- This looks about right! |
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| Kit_Kat | Sep 1 2006, 08:10 PM Post #18 |
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Thanks for the e-mail Fiona
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| Deleted User | Sep 5 2006, 02:07 PM Post #19 |
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No problem - pass it on!
One more fairly important one, please take the time: In Defense of Animals - Chinese Animal Laws Thank you so much. |
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| mozart8mytoe | Sep 6 2006, 10:12 AM Post #20 |
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Not to belittle the plight of animal suffering throughout the world, but when you think about man's inhumanity to man, is his disregard for animal life really any surprise. Way back when I was in college, I did some volunteer work for Amnesty International, and they showed us some video footage that was absolutely horrendous. The sh*t we do to our fellow man is simply unbelievable. Anyone who is capable of raping a woman with the barrel of a gun or cutting the limbs off of a child is certainly capable of doing god knows what to puppies and kittens. I know exceptionally little about the laws in China, but someone who lives in China said on some other message board that there are animal cruelty laws there. |
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| Deleted User | Sep 6 2006, 03:11 PM Post #21 |
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No, you are right. As far as animals go, this is nothing new and we can't solely blame China for what we've seen here. Their animal cruelty laws, obviously, are not as stringent as ours and that needs addressing but if people really are disturbed by the way dogs and cats are treated there, they surely must be just as ready to oppose the way animals are treated in our own backyards. It is the fault of the creators, the suppliers, the workers, the sellers, and the consumers. Of course it shouldn't be surprising when you consider the way humans treat each other but that is considered to be an entirely different matter, unfortunately. Humans, animals... yes, considerably different... but I fully believe that the torture of an animal is one small step away from the torture of a human being. And that's been proven. What you described has sickened me. I admire you for your volunteer work in that area, I hope I can follow your example one day, but never could I keep my eyes on the images you mentioned. It's not denial - I fully accept the horrors of this world and mean to aid those who work to correct them - but the less I force myself to witness such things, the more sensitive I will be to the issues when I have to face them. And that's how I'd like to be. |
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| mozart8mytoe | Sep 7 2006, 03:55 AM Post #22 |
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Unfortunately, the citizens of some nations are not able to speak out against their government or its laws. There are possibly billions of people in this world who vehemently disapprove of what their own leaders do and yet have no voice, as do we fortunate few. Letting every voice truly count may take a great deal of time, and might even be fundamentally improbable (considering man's lust of power), but one area where we can always have an impact is finance. Every nation in this world, including North Korea, is economically dependent on others. No matter what the product, be it SUVs or kitten skin, the supply will cease when the demand dies. I have a suspicion that if environmentalists studied economics more, they could effect far greater change. I could go either way on the issue of desensitization from graphic images. I have seen some sick sh*t, and yet I am still at a point where I could not watch it in my Lazyboy with a bucket of potato chips. People who cannot stomach such images should not be forced to watch, but the more people watch, the more they see what is really happening in this world. If reading about female genital mutilation (or female circumcision, if you prefer euphemisms) pisses you off, imagine actually watching it. For all our self-appointed enlightenment, we are a truly disgusting species. |
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