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| King_Kameamea | Aug 22 2006, 12:39 AM Post #1 |
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Is this too much pressure for these young children? As if actually playing in the Little League World Series isn't enough pressure, now it's televised all over the world. What do you guys think? |
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| BeatleBarb | Aug 22 2006, 01:10 AM Post #2 |
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I do think it's a tremendous amount of pressure, but then again all organized sports for young people seem to be that way today. I remember, back in the day, my Dad coached baseball all of his life. He never had to scold a player, everyone played, and he was a top notch coach with a very winning team (Campbell Little League). I asked him once how he did it and he told me it was because the parents didn't come around. Kids were dropped off back then and they were allowed to actually play baseball for themselves. |
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| King_Kameamea | Aug 22 2006, 01:15 AM Post #3 |
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The problem I have with it is that every misplay or error is magnified by the fact that it is literally being televised all over the world. For example, that poor kid from Staten Island who thought the game was over and walked off of second base only to be tagged out to end the game. His team lost 1-0 and he will never forget that no matter how much therapy he receives. |
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| BeatleBarb | Aug 22 2006, 01:18 AM Post #4 |
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Yeah, he'll be thinking of that one forever. Hell, even in professional sports, we have to see the simplest of plays 5 or 6 times and then analyze it to death. Poor kid. |
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| King_Kameamea | Aug 22 2006, 01:20 AM Post #5 |
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and for what? the entertainment of adults? Enough already, let them simply play the game. |
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| BeatleBarb | Aug 22 2006, 01:21 AM Post #6 |
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I totally agree. |
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| King_Kameamea | Aug 22 2006, 10:14 PM Post #7 |
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I just heard the coach of the Staten Island team has been reprimanded for striking a child. Where and when is this insanity going to end? |
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| Sci-Fi/Macca Fan | Aug 22 2006, 10:49 PM Post #8 |
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Supposedly the kid said 'F@!K' in the dugout and the manager slapped him....it was caught on tape by ESPN, so now all games have a 5-second delay. It's just terrible. I like watching baseball (although not recently with the Red Sox stinkin' out the place) but I watched the first five minutes of a game and I just couldn't bare it. It's really stupid that it's on TV and that corporate people make such a big deal of it. For god's sake KFC is a major sponsor of it! KFC!!!! A fast food chain that sells heart attacks for lunch makes it possible for lazy people to sit and watch 12 year olds play baseball!!! Disgusting...just disgsting. |
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| JeffLynnesBeard | Aug 24 2006, 01:29 AM Post #9 |
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I think such pressure on any young person is very difficult to handle - perhaps it's not the best thing for it to be televised... if you make a blooper then it's there for the whole world to see. |
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| King_Kameamea | Aug 24 2006, 01:47 AM Post #10 |
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Did you just see the kid who blew it for Illinois? He was crying like a little girl. His teammates will never forgive him. |
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| maccascruff | Aug 24 2006, 01:53 AM Post #11 |
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How does a little girl cry as opposed to a little boy? |
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| fab4fan | Aug 24 2006, 01:57 AM Post #12 |
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I respect all of your views but mine is completely different. As a kid I would have 'died' to have been at the Little League World Series like a friend of mine from Church school was. Back then only the Championship game was televised. I believe if you ask the kids they would say they are "geeked up" for it. And then heaven forbid we allow our kids to learn that life has its ups and downs. Everybody doesn't get to play in real life. Everybody strikes out in real life in something. Everybody pulls a bonehead move and is embarrassed at some point. These aren't babies. They don't need to be coddled. If the kid blows the game that's where the BEST parenting can happen. p.s. The kid from Lemont will be forgiven. |
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| JeffLynnesBeard | Aug 24 2006, 02:09 AM Post #13 |
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It's harsh to have your sporting endeavors and potential mistakes televised at that age though. I'm sure that, given the opportunity, most of the little leaguers are thrilled about being on TV though and it's something they'll talk about for the rest of their lives... unless they make a mistake they'd rather forget, of course.
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| JeffLynnesBeard | Aug 24 2006, 02:10 AM Post #14 |
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Good point, Linda. |
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| beatlechick | Aug 24 2006, 02:17 AM Post #15 |
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Hold on to your hats and make sure you're seated. I am in agreement with Fab4fan. A parent should be there whenever their child falters but can not be there to make sure that nothing ever in their lives will fall apart on them. A coach needs to realize that these are just kids and not adults. Adults can take a helluva a lot more than a child and should not be coached that way. I think things like Little League can teach a child a lot about life. You will have your good days and your bad days, it's all on how you handle it. I think not only will that kid be forgiven but it will be forgotten. |
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| BeatleDude1964 | Aug 24 2006, 02:31 AM Post #16 |
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i think its a lot of pressure, but its fun to watch |
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| fab4fan | Aug 24 2006, 02:42 AM Post #17 |
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Boy, you know how to make a guy feel like a real jerk. :wacko: |
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| beatlechick | Aug 24 2006, 03:01 AM Post #18 |
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Sorry, it's my job. To confuse is also another part of my job. When all is done than I can go home. |
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| Bill | Aug 24 2006, 03:25 AM Post #19 |
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I'm somewhere in the middle here. A child with talent should be allowed to excel and not held back merely because s/he is a child. However, that doesn't stop them being children. Fab makes a good point about life lessons in failure, but equally, most of us get to screw up in provate a few times while we get used to the concept. My biggest misgiving with little league of any variety is that it's usually a haven for parents desperately trying to relive their own lives through their children. I agree that little league is great assuming that the parents and coaches are in it for the right reason. However, that's an assumption that I am loath to make. |
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| maccascruff | Aug 24 2006, 01:04 PM Post #20 |
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I've never had any children, but my sister has. Her three boys all tried Little League. None were very good athletes and soon quit because they didn't get to play. How were they to get better when all the coaching went to the coaches' sons, who were good when they got to Little League? It's very discouraging for a young boy to go to all the practices and never get to play. |
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| King_Kameamea | Aug 24 2006, 01:09 PM Post #21 |
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Oh c'mon...little girls cry all the time over little things. |
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| King_Kameamea | Aug 24 2006, 01:17 PM Post #22 |
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Everyone got to see that kid blow it for his team. People in Japan saw, people in England saw, hell, even people in Saudi Arabia saw. People may say that they forgive him but they will always be thinking, "You blew it for us" and that kid knows it. |
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| BeatleBarb | Aug 24 2006, 01:28 PM Post #23 |
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That's why my Dad was such a genius at coaching and baseball. He did play all players, no matter what game was on the line...and they still won! He did this for many, many years. He was very competitive as were the kids, but it was more important that everyone got to play. I agree that kids need to learn failure and disappointment. Ideally, it should be under somewhat safe conditions and sports should be one of those. I was always a parent who was for rewarding the winners and not everyone could win. I taught my kids that that was ok and was there for them when they were disappointed. But the magnitude of this event is overwhelming and I do worry about the pressure. |
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| King_Kameamea | Aug 24 2006, 01:37 PM Post #24 |
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All kids should receive equal playing time. It shouldn't be about winning at that age, it should be about learning the fundamentals of the game. |
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| JanaW | Aug 24 2006, 03:27 PM Post #25 |
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My oldest grandson, who will be 15 this coming December, has played little league sine he was 4. It is a toss-up as to whether he is a better catcher, pitcher or3rd baseman. He does equally well at all positions, and each year he receives many calls from coaches on teams other than his, who want him to come over to them. Two years ago he decided to switch teams, when he was approached by a competition team. It nearly ruined his baseball experience, and this is a game he truly loves. On the competition team, it went from from and enjoying game to a horrible, experience. The coach was totally driven by winning and nothing else was acceptable. I have heard the coaches refer to the boys as stupid, lazy, dumb and one coach went so far as to holler at one of the kids and call him 'you gay little b*stard!' I was horrified. If the emotional treatment for the kids was not bad enough, the physical drain on them was worse. They practiced every evening. They were required to be there. They had one game every Thursday evening, one game on Friday and then they played tourneys EVERY weekend, someitmes playing as many as 3 games in one day, and often on Saturday and Sunday. If the kids missed a game, they were railed at in front of the team. The cost to get on this team was nearly $1,000 because they had three sets of uniforms added to the regular costs. All of this was done with one goal in the mind of the coaches...get to the Little League World Series! My grandson nearly grew to hate the game he loves so dearly. After this one season he went back to his original team and rediscovered his love of baseball. Unlike most families, the person who puts the pressure on the kids to play sports in this family is the mother, my sons ex-wife. Rather than allow them to play what they want, and enjoy it, they are pressured into doing as much as they can, to the point of putting sports before school. This however is a self-serving effort for mom, because she uses the sports as a way to locate available men. Enough said about that. My grandson is now old enough that he just played his last games for little league and is moving to high school teams. This summer he played on the high school summer team as well as doing his last season of little league. His brother who is 13 was doing baseball as well as karate. He is a national Jr. Olympic Gold Medal winner in karate and goes all over to competitios. Mom has finally gotten the karate shut down because too many moms are involved in the karate and not enough fathers. He is now doing baseball and football everyday. The oldest one has refused to go any further than his high school baseball team this year and I say Good For Him! By the way, taking sports to the extreme is a constant source of frustration and argument between my son and his ex. I guess what I am saying is that, Yes Little League is a lot of pressure for kids. But I think it can be an enjoyable and rewarding experience if not taken to extremes. Do I like what I saw on the competition team whose goal was the Little League World Series?...no way. I think it removes the fun and ruins the game for the kids, because of obsessed adults. |
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| JeffLynnesBeard | Aug 24 2006, 09:08 PM Post #26 |
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...and so would little boys if they didn't have their backward fathers and their equally brainwashed peers telling them that it's 'unmanly' to cry. Macho bullsh*t. |
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| JanaW | Aug 24 2006, 09:24 PM Post #27 |
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VERY good point Andy! I hope everyone hears it! |
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| King_Kameamea | Aug 24 2006, 11:07 PM Post #28 |
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That will be of little consolation when the other kids are laughing at your kid and calling him sissy. |
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| beatlechick | Aug 25 2006, 01:40 AM Post #29 |
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I very much doubt that anyone will be thinking about it when the series is over. Anyone remember what happened last year? ![]() Exactly what is wrong with a male crying? You have to be more of a man to be able to let yourself go and cry. No wonder more men have heartattacks than women. We let it out while a lot of men won't. I would rather my son be called a sissy than to have to put up with sh*thead coaches who don't remember what it's like to be a child. People who use the word sissy are a bunch of wusses anyway. |
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| King_Kameamea | Aug 25 2006, 01:57 AM Post #30 |
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Every single kid on that team will remember who blew the game for them for the rest of their lives. With regards to crying, whether you feel that it's right or wrong for a boy to cry, the bottom line is that society has deemed it that a boy is weak if he cries. So therefore, when little boys cry, they are laughed at and called sissy, something that no boy wants. I'm not saying it's wrong or right but that's the way it is. |
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| beatlechick | Aug 25 2006, 02:16 AM Post #31 |
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I think that is more of the way it used to be. I am around kids a lot and don't see that anymore. |
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| fab4fan | Aug 25 2006, 03:18 AM Post #32 |
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This post would be a lot better if I had remembered to cut out the photo in the paper and posted it here. It was the father of the boy who made the last out in the game for Lemont yesterday kissing his son on the forehead and consoling him. That's a great dad and I'm sure the kid will be alright with a parent like that. The kid ran so hard down the first base line and slid into the bag with such force I thought he might have broken an ankle. It was just a routine grounder to second. GREAT HUSTLE! King K not to pick on you but as far as these kids being marred for life. You keep alluding to a kid from Illinois blowing the game. Are you talking about the kid who walked off second when the other runner was thrown out at third, thinking that the game was over only to be tagged out himself as the third out? If so these kids will survive just fine because that player was on the team that lost to Illinois the night before. We can't even get the facts straight for 24 hours, I'm sure they'll be fine by the time the real World Series starts. And now I am gonna pick on you. There are 7 teams in the American League that can whoop your Mets: Yankees, Detroit, White Sox, Twins, Red Sox, A's & Angels. I think the best you can hope for is that it is someone other than the Yankees who gets in from the A.L. so you don't suffer the embarrassment of losing another subway series.
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| BeatleBarb | Aug 25 2006, 05:31 AM Post #33 |
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Speaking of stress and heart attacks, I just spent 8 hours in the emergency room with my male friend who doesn't let stress out! He most likely didn't have an attack, but he is highly stressed, has high blood pressure, and does need surgery to repair a valve. Sorry to steer off topic, but it came to mind....oh., what a day. |
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| JeffLynnesBeard | Aug 25 2006, 05:41 AM Post #34 |
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Sorry to hear that, Barb - hope he's going to recover OK & learns to take it a little easier in life. :hmm: |
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| BeatleBarb | Aug 25 2006, 05:45 AM Post #35 |
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Thanks, Andy. He's doing better, but it would be good for him to talk things out more. I'm the only person he's ever talked to about his time in Viet Nam. He needs to take the VA up on their offers for help!! Generally speaking, I do feel there are a seperate set of pressure puts on men to be tough, etc. Sometimes I think our society hasn't progressed much. |
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| beatlechick | Aug 25 2006, 05:47 AM Post #36 |
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Having gone through a lot of turmoil these past couple of months I know that we all need a stress reliever in some shape or form. Barb, I hope your friend comes out with a way to do just that. Here's to better days ahead for you and your friend. Yes, Fab4Fan, that is a great father to do that for his kid. I just wish all fathers, mothers, and coaches can take a queue from him. I am pretty much of the faith that the Angels can kick the Mets ass, though I am a Dodgers fan. At least my Mike Piazza is closer to home now that he is with the Padres. |
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| King_Kameamea | Aug 25 2006, 11:25 AM Post #37 |
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I have my facts straight. The kid who blew the game by walking off of second base when there was only 2 outs was from Staten Island. The kid who blew the game for Illinois was #8. Of course his dad was consoling him, he was crying like a baby in front of the whole world. For God's sake he was wimpering like a b*tch when he was still out on the mound after he gave up the two runs. His father was probably trying to get him to stop crying and be a man. The rest of the boys took it like men except for one or two. Don't worry about my Mets...I'd worry more if my team had only won one championship in 88 years.
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| fab4fan | Aug 25 2006, 12:28 PM Post #38 |
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We prefer to look at it as 3 championships in 100 years, thank you very much. |
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| King_Kameamea | Aug 25 2006, 12:35 PM Post #39 |
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I bet you do. LETS GO METS!!!
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| beatlechick | Aug 26 2006, 07:50 PM Post #40 |
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And the Dodgers view is Let's Go Mets, too!! Only it's Let's Go Mets, We'll Kick Your Ass!!"
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| King_Kameamea | Aug 28 2006, 12:39 AM Post #41 |
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Today's championship game was rained out and will be played tomorrow night at 8:00pm on ESPN II. Pressure's on kids! |
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| King_Kameamea | Aug 28 2006, 12:40 AM Post #42 |
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Be careful what you wish for my friend...you may just get it.
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| beatlechick | Aug 28 2006, 02:28 AM Post #43 |
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What? To kick the Mets ass?!? Well bring it on!!
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| BlueMolly2009 | Aug 28 2006, 03:56 AM Post #44 |
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Now that's a sexist comment. So I guess boys are "sissys" when they cry. I hate it when people think that. I had a friend who got yelled by his dad for crying and he held in his emotions and he commited suicide over it. He was afraid to show his emotions so noone could help him. Guys who are sensitive aren't all gay, I wish that would just stop. |
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I feel sorry for the wee boy who did something wrong and it cost the game is that right? He got upset and cried in public too, poor kid he'll probably get teased about it by his team mates. Maybe I can reassure you a little though I don't think the entire world was watching - in fact I can assure you they were not.
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| Peter | Aug 28 2006, 08:32 PM Post #46 |
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do the kids get paid and if not why not someone is making money out of it. i played with three youth internationals yet the year before two of them were not in the schoolboy international squad why well the coaches were different. the schoolboy coach hated my school and hated my friend's dad. a couple of years later he was replaced and within a year Northern Ireland had won the European Schools championship with five from my school go figure. we get the schoolboy internationals now on the telly but i tend not to watch them as have seen so many bright prospects not make it as professionals. it's a big leap up into the adult game. schoolboy internationals are under 16 or were under 16 when the season started rule change sometime ago. how old are these kids. |
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| King_Kameamea | Aug 29 2006, 12:13 AM Post #47 |
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I guarantee you that his father was thinking, "Oh no, my kid is wimpering like a little b*tch on worldwide TV!" An old classmate of mine came to school on the first day of kindergarten crying like a little girl. He is reminded of that fact till this day. |
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| King_Kameamea | Aug 29 2006, 12:15 AM Post #48 |
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Who wants their kid to be the wimpering little sissy on TV. Every guy wants their kid to be the one who hits the game-winning home run, not the one who drops the fly ball that blows the game for his team and then crys like a sissy over it. There will be children who cry on TV tonight that will never live it down. |
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| JeffLynnesBeard | Aug 29 2006, 12:25 AM Post #49 |
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If every guy was a macho asshole, then you'd be right. I honestly believe that most parents would be proud of their kids no matter how they performed and would praise or console their children accordingly. Losing brings no shame to the strong... it's only the weak who are afraid to lose and only bad, weak parents who would be ashamed of their children for 'blowing the game' and crying. |
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| King_Kameamea | Aug 29 2006, 12:32 AM Post #50 |
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but you do agree that they're out there and there's a lot of em'.
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| beatlechick | Aug 29 2006, 12:38 AM Post #51 |
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Amen, to that Andy! Spoken like a father.
King, you should know, it appears that you are one of them. Why can't you just be proud that your child (and not stating this is your child but using you as an example) achieved something most kids could only dream of? A chance to play in a world series game? So what if they cry. I didn't hear anybody chastise Kirby Puckett when he cried when his team lost the world series. No all I heard was how much heart and soul they put into the game. |
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| JeffLynnesBeard | Aug 29 2006, 12:42 AM Post #52 |
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Yes, I do agree that they're out there and there are a lot of them... unfortunately. <_< |
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| King_Kameamea | Aug 29 2006, 12:05 PM Post #53 |
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No man wants to be the father of the kid who's wimpering like a baby on the field. All of the fathers of children who were taking it like men were thanking their lucky stars that their kid wasn't crying. Did you see those Japanese kids crying last night? It was clear that that one Japanese father was telling his kid to suck it up and stop crying. I bet it's a real embarrasement to them back in Japan. |
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| King_Kameamea | Aug 29 2006, 06:05 PM Post #54 |
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I just saw a video showing a Japanese father telling his kid to stop crying. I wonder how the Japanese pitcher that gave up the game-losing home run feels? He must be destroyed emotionally...and for what, so that some old men can attempt to relive their youth. |
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| King_Kameamea | Aug 29 2006, 06:28 PM Post #56 |
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Buddy, I'm on your side. :rolleyes: |
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| beatlechick | Aug 30 2006, 01:55 AM Post #57 |
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| King_Kameamea | Aug 30 2006, 12:32 PM Post #58 |
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In the real world when little boys cry they are viewed as soft and sissy-like. I'm not saying that's a good thing but I'm saying its a reality. No father wants to be the father of the boy who's wimpering around on the field crying like a baby. The father of each boy who was crying was saying to himself, "On no, not my son!! Please stop crying son, please stop crying." Every father wants their son to take it like a man. |
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| beatlechick | Aug 31 2006, 12:45 AM Post #59 |
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Fortunately that is not all true. The fathers who call their sons sissies need to grow up and let their sons learn that expressing emotions is quite healthy instead of the tired old buck-up son sh*t. Better to express emotions than to die with them all balled up in you. |
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| JeffLynnesBeard | Aug 31 2006, 12:46 AM Post #60 |
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Couldn't agree more, Cathy. I think, KK, you've fallen into the trap of judging everyone by your own standards.
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| Bill | Aug 31 2006, 06:53 AM Post #61 |
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It is fair to say that a lot of men, perhaps a majority, still project their own emotional repression onto other men and boys. The question is whether you wantto be part of the problem or part of the solution. |
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| JeffLynnesBeard | Aug 31 2006, 10:51 AM Post #62 |
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Yup, that's the truth.
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| King_Kameamea | Aug 31 2006, 08:45 PM Post #63 |
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Maybe I can reassure you a little though I don't think the entire world was watching - in fact I can assure you they were not.

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