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| Tweet Topic Started: Jul 15 2006, 05:25 PM (888 Views) | |
| JeffLynnesBeard | Jul 15 2006, 05:25 PM Post #1 |
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We just had a rather delicious pizza and gave the pizza delivery guy a pound for his 'troubles' - it led to a discussion between Fiona and I. Why is it that you've got the pizza delivery guy on minimum wage who does his job and gets a tip on top... and then you have someone like my mother who works in a supermarket for minimum wage, arguably works harder than a delivery guy and yet people wouldn't dream of tipping her for doing her job? Why do you tip a taxi driver and yet you wouldn't consider tipping a bus or train driver? Why do you tip waiters & waitresses in diners & restaurants... and yet you don't tip the people who serve food and clean up in McDonalds or Burger King?Why tip some and not others? Lord knows I could do with a small gratuity from each passenger I carry. :lol:
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| ogoble | Jul 15 2006, 05:56 PM Post #2 |
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:angry: The bag boys, at the grocery store that we shop at, works for min. wage plus tips also. Last year, after one bag boy put the groceries in my mother's car, she gave him a $3 tip. She said that he got angry with her and told her that she was being too cheap. When I saw her later, she was upset and crying about it. She couldn't remember his name...and there are so many baggers that I wouldn't know who to complain about. I generally tip them $3 also, because I figure that if everyone tipped as much as I do, then they probably make at least $15 an hour just on tips + their salary. |
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| ~LovelyRita~ | Jul 15 2006, 06:22 PM Post #3 |
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You tip waitresses and waiters because they get paid well below minimum wage without tips. When I worked as a waitress I was only paid $2.13 an hour. Employee's at McDonald's get paid closer to $6. As for the rest, I really don't know. |
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| JeffLynnesBeard | Jul 15 2006, 06:50 PM Post #4 |
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How can you get paid below minimum wage? Isn't that why it's called minimum wage?
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| beatlechick | Jul 15 2006, 07:16 PM Post #5 |
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Yep!! However at least in California, waiters and waitresses are expected to tip the people who help them who get paid even less. In some of our smaller coffee shops and restaurants they have tip jars. I know that since tips are a part of your wages you have to claim them on your tax forms. About the baggers and drivers I think the unions have laws about accepting tips. Not sure. |
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| Fry | Jul 15 2006, 07:32 PM Post #6 |
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What's a tip? |
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| ohnotjimagain | Jul 15 2006, 08:10 PM Post #7 |
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If you got a small tip from every passenger you could retire in a week ! SWT in the rush hour, must be hundreds on your train. I do wonder why we tip certain people though.
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| Sandra | Jul 15 2006, 08:36 PM Post #8 |
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Andy - I loathe tipping and the uncertainty of who and how much to tip. It makes me stressed. I would much prefer if everyone got paid a wage and nobody got a tip. Obviously employers would have to pay more and pass the costs on to the customer but I'd still prefer that. Does it give employees an incentive to do their job well if they think/know the customer is likely to leave a good tip or do people suck up to those people they think/know will give a big tip and ignore the rest? I really don't know because I've never worked for tips. |
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| theonlyfab4fan | Jul 15 2006, 08:54 PM Post #9 |
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I`m with you Sandra, tipping is stressful. I`m never certain of how much or to whom it is expected. It was lovely travelling in China and Japan last year as in those countries tipping is not required and is even percieved as an insult. I would much rather pay a fair price for the services I recieve and the employee be paid the appropriate wage for their job. |
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| DCBeatle64 | Jul 15 2006, 09:16 PM Post #10 |
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I'm really tight when it comes to tipping.They get a tip if they deserve it.If they dont then they get nowt of me. |
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| JeffLynnesBeard | Jul 15 2006, 09:23 PM Post #11 |
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I don't work for SWT... although another of our board members does! I work for another train operating company who are just as busy in the rush hour!
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| Beatlesluver | Jul 15 2006, 09:26 PM Post #12 |
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Did you say SWT OMG Ive got the tanoi in my head now "The South West train service has been delayed by 10 minutes calling at Wandsworth Town, Clapham Junction ..... Vauxhall and London Waterloo" |
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| JeffLynnesBeard | Jul 15 2006, 09:29 PM Post #13 |
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...which would mean that you were standing at Putney. I've had a few pints in The Green Man before.
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| Beatlesluver | Jul 15 2006, 09:37 PM Post #14 |
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I was indeed, I went to university not far from there for 4 years. Yeah I think I may have gone to that pub, when drinking in Putney I often stayed on the High Street. |
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| ~LovelyRita~ | Jul 15 2006, 10:27 PM Post #15 |
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If you don't make up minimum wage with tips then the restaurant has to make up the difference. You have to claim your tips so they know for sure you're making at least minimum wage. |
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| maccascruff | Jul 16 2006, 12:13 AM Post #16 |
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As a former IRS agent, it was my job when I audited places where tipping was common to determine that those people did claim their tips on their tax return. We usually worked out a tip agreement with large restaurants and chains and it was a calculation--whether you received them or not, they are on your W-2. As for me, I'm a cheapskape when it comes to tipping. You have to deserve it to get it. The grocery stores here don't help get the bags to your car, so no issue there and I'd never give them $3 a bag. I only make $12 an hour and if I gave them $3 a bag, I wouldn't get to eat. I don't do delivery, so no issues there. I do tip the person who cuts my hair. Don't really eat out, so don't need to tip. Nobody tips me for doing the books at the store, nor do they tip the sales clerks, who only make what I do. |
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| LennonLoverForever | Jul 16 2006, 12:17 AM Post #17 |
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Oh my goodness...I would still complain to the store manager and a corporate customer relations person. I would do it in writing so you have a copy. That was soo wrong for that bagger to that to your mother. I am a cashier and I gladly help any elderly person with their bags and I would never expect a tip! Maybe that store pays their baggers WAY too low of a wage and then they expect tips...The store should do away with all of this! Is it a custom in your state to tip baggers? Not here! Also to Jeff Lynne's Beard...Minimum wage right now is I think $ 5.10 an hour and it will go up in October or November to $7.25 I think...The poor waitresses/waiters here make about $2.10 an hour which the lowest legal limit that a restaurant can go. I am sure it is about that here in Michigan. So PLEASE....and this is especially directed to our lovely foreign travelers... YOU HAVE TO TIP...It is NOT Included in the price of the food...Make sure it is at least 18-20 per cent...( I used to be a waitress....check out www.bitterwaitress.com for some funny stories!) Does England have a minimum wage now because of the EU? I hope so....When I was there I left big tips and the servers were very very happy...So I was doing my international goodwill to all servers....Pssst...Pizza delievery people are tipped here too...esp. if they come to your home on a wet and/or cold day...
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| Rose | Jul 16 2006, 12:47 AM Post #18 |
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I'm a big tipper...if someone has worked hard...and was pleasant...I tip. I was never a waitress...or in any job that tipping was part of the pay...but I don't mind a few extra dollars for someones good service. The only time I refrain from tipping is if the person is rude or seems to go out of their way to p*ss me off.... |
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| Deleted User | Jul 16 2006, 01:11 AM Post #19 |
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As the son of a waitress, thanks. Please consider the next time that he/she may have kids at home while trying to pay daycare, keep the lights on and buy groceries on $2.35/hr plus tips. That server may have given you what you percieve as bad service, but if most people have a sh*t day at work, they can shut the office door. But that poor server has to bring you your food and act f*cking friendly and kiss ass so he/she can collect that $3.00 you so begrudingly dropped on the table only after the group you were with goaded you into it, all the while having to obsess over how to pay the dentist's bill for her kid's (read: mine) emergency dental work that's laying on the table at home. :angry: |
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| maccascruff | Jul 16 2006, 02:18 AM Post #20 |
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My personal belief is that the businesses should pay enough so tipping wasn't expected or needed. I am also the daughter of a waitress and I remember my mother counting out her tips. I worked as a waitress and remember counting my tips after every shift. I made a whole $1 an hour back then, as did my mother. I don't think I should have to pay the wages of these people. Their employer should pay their wages. |
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| BeatleBarb | Jul 16 2006, 02:48 AM Post #21 |
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I also am a good tipper, probably because I know how hard my daughter works as a waitress and I don't like the image that women are cheap and not good tippers...I'm very generous! |
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| ~LovelyRita~ | Jul 16 2006, 03:47 AM Post #22 |
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You're the kind of person I hated when I waitressed. You have no idea how hard the job can be! Half the time it's not even the waitresses fault if something goes wrong.
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| FamousGroupie | Jul 16 2006, 06:21 AM Post #23 |
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Tipping isn't an option here, I mean, it isn't expected. Some cafes and restaurants have tip jars, and every so often the pizza guy will get a "keep the change" delivery, but it just isn't a big deal here. Grace, your experience with minimum wage seems tantamount to exploitation! Is that the norm in the US? |
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| kink | Jul 16 2006, 07:13 AM Post #24 |
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I'm sorry if I sound like a bitch, but why should someone care? You have a job, you are getting payed. If you can't pay the dentist's bill then I am afraid this is not the job for you and maybe you should look for something that pays better. I am not supposed to leave you a tip to fix your life, let alone if you take my order with an irritated look on your face. Before you say anything, I have worked as a waitress and I know the stresses of the job. I know it's hard to be friendly all the time, but that's your job. If you are a surgeon you have to have steady hands. If you are having a "sh*t day at work" and you are nervous you can't just expect your patient to understand, can you? I know this is a bad example, but I hope you know what I mean. Waitresses are there to do a job, and the customers are not there as social workers, looking at their faces and judging whether they are having trouble at home, are obsessing over a bill they can't pay, or are being abused by their husbands (example) so they can guess if they should leave a tip and how large it should be. I mean, why should anyone do that? If I am being served by a rude person, should I think he/ she is having trouble at home or that he/ she is not doing his/ her job properly? As I have been there, I believe you should never let your life affect your work. Of course I know there are times when it is impossible, as we are humans, I absolutely understand that. But I don't think it is that hard to smile and say "hello" and "thank you", even if you are thinking to yourself "sh*t I have to pay bills". Aren't most people thinking about the bills they have to pay and other problems? By the way, I always leave a tip (unless the person is plain mean or I am out of money). |
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| JeffLynnesBeard | Jul 16 2006, 09:55 AM Post #25 |
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That really sucks. :angry: |
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| BeatleBarb | Jul 16 2006, 03:24 PM Post #26 |
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I tip and consider it part of the experience, meal, etc, but you make very good points. I do feel for individuals that are living on a minimal income, but you're right, it's not for others to correct or make up for. |
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| JeffLynnesBeard | Jul 16 2006, 03:25 PM Post #27 |
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So, actually, if you're tipping in the U.S., you're supporting ruthless & mean employers paying their employees a crummy wage. We should all stop tipping to help these people get what is rightly theirs!
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| JeffLynnesBeard | Jul 16 2006, 03:31 PM Post #28 |
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Yes, the UK has a minimum wage, it's £5.05/hour (or slightly less if you're under 21) and restaurants must pay their waiters/waitresses £5.05 as a minimum basic wage - tips are in addition the minimum wage here... as it should be in the U.S. I think a 20% tip is excessive here as eating out is considerably more expensive than the U.S. If everyone left a 20% tip in the UK, the servers would be earning more than lawyers! |
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| ~LovelyRita~ | Jul 16 2006, 03:34 PM Post #29 |
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Actually Andy, must waitresses would make a lot less money if they were paid a reasonable minimum wage by the restaurant and didn't get tips. If it's a busy night a server can make upwards of $10 an hour. |
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| BeatleBarb | Jul 16 2006, 03:35 PM Post #30 |
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Exactly! I've just started reading "The Betrayal of Work - How Low-Wage Jobs Fail 30 Million Americans". It says that one in every four workers are employed in jobs that pay poverty wagess and provide minimal or no benefits. It describes how low wage jobs damage us all. These workers face a world in which they have little power to change their conditions. Really sounds like a vicious cycle. |
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| JeffLynnesBeard | Jul 16 2006, 03:37 PM Post #31 |
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I'm well aware of that, Grace, but that means that the restaurant owners are getting waiting staff for next to nothing and expecting the paying customers, who have already paid good money for their food, to support their profiteering. The restaurants should be paying at least minimum wage and then any 'tips' on top should be for good service and not to be made out of obligation or guilt. |
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| ~LovelyRita~ | Jul 16 2006, 03:40 PM Post #32 |
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Yes, it is the norm, but it really isn't that bad when you think about it. You always make at least $5.15 an hour whether you make it up in tips or because the employer has to pay you extra because you don't make it up in tips. |
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| ~LovelyRita~ | Jul 16 2006, 03:43 PM Post #33 |
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Hmmmm, never thought about it that way. |
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| ~LovelyRita~ | Jul 16 2006, 03:47 PM Post #34 |
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Arg, stop picking on me!
Maybe because employers save money on servers, they charge less for the food. So if the customer has cheaper food then they really aren't losing any money on leaving a tip. Of course I'm not sure that restaurants actually do charge less for food when they pay their servers below minimum wage...
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| JeffLynnesBeard | Jul 16 2006, 03:53 PM Post #35 |
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Sorry Grace. I deleted my original post that you quoted because I thought you'd originally replied to my previous point and not Clare's post... I didn't want it to look as if I was 'picking on you' so I got rid of it - but you saw it and quoted it before it disappeared. It's a possibility that if those particular restaurants had to pay minimum wage that their food would be more expensive, but I think it's unlikely. After all, food at McDonalds, Wendy's, Taco Bell, KFC and BK aren't pricey because they have to adhere to minimum wage standards are they? I honestly do believe that it's profiteering and no business should be able to get around the minimum wage in the way those restaurants are. |
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| ~LovelyRita~ | Jul 16 2006, 04:02 PM Post #36 |
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I didn't actually feel like you were picking on me, I like it when people make me think. I wish I still worked at a restaurant so I could ask my managers about that. I'd be interested to hear what they have to say.
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| maccascruff | Jul 16 2006, 06:19 PM Post #37 |
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I do think it's profiteering and that the employers should be paying wages and I shouldn't have to tip. I rarely eat in a restaurant for that very reason. I don't have the money for a fancy restaurant and most fast food type places don't serve veggie food, so I eat at home. People tell me to save money and that is one of the ways I save money--I don't eat out. I've seen on tax returns waiters and waitresses in fancy restaurants easily making $40-$50,000 a year and they most likely didn't report all their tips. I don't make anything like that and don't have the kind of income to tip. Easy way out is to just not eat in a restaurant. Then I don't have to think about it. I have left a penny when I have gotten very bad service. I've been told that gets the point across. I think as the US economy suffers more inflation as a result of higher gas prices, we'll see less people eating out and doing other things. I already only do the bare minimum of things outside of my home. Our full time employee at the store where I work made a little over $19,000 last year and she is full time, no benefits, no vacation, no sick days, no health insurance and NO TIPS. Yes, she is being taken advantage of big time. |
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I guess my point is that the system here is set up for waitresses and busboys to get sh*t wages. And until that system is corrected, don't be so stingy with a tip. The same people who don't have a problem writing a check to Green Peace, the Sierra Club, the RNC, or the NRA, or what have you every month shouldn't have a problem leaving a decent tip for the person who may live three doors down from them. Remeber, charity begins at home. And of course, you didn't sound like a bitch. You did sound a little conservative, though.
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| Deleted User | Jul 16 2006, 06:48 PM Post #39 |
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Are you kidding me? That would just make it worse. If the waiter/waitress does not make enough tips to meet min. wage, it is made up to them by the employer. The law states that they MUST make at least that much. |
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| JeffLynnesBeard | Jul 16 2006, 06:55 PM Post #40 |
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In a word, yes - I was kidding you. My tongue was firmly in my cheek. Seriously, employers should pay at least minimum wage and waiting staff should get tips on top of that. Not everyone who eats out is particularly rich and we shouldn't have to pay a restaurant's staff for them. |
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So 25% of Americans are below the poverty rate?? The 2004 US Census only shows 12.7%. As compared to 17% of those in the UK. (2001 numbers) |
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| JeffLynnesBeard | Jul 16 2006, 07:10 PM Post #42 |
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I'm sure that Barb's book has it's own sources to back up those figures. |
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Phew! :lol: And I like your idea of forcing the minimum wage, and then getting tips as a bonus. Performance bonuses are very common in other industries. Plus, other industries (such as Olen's bag boy) already make min. wage. As do pizza delivery drivers. (They also get paid for the use of their vehicle.) Hair stylists usually make great salaries, and act bent out of shape if you don't tip them!
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| Sandra | Jul 16 2006, 11:02 PM Post #44 |
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Grace, it is interesting that you view it as the employer paying 'extra' to ensure staff make the minimum wage. I can't quite comprehend being paid less than minimum though I have read the explanations which followed I guess the language difference some of us were discussing in another thread is more than just words it's a whole concept attached. |
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| poster_child | Jul 17 2006, 05:40 AM Post #45 |
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Andy, I totally agree with you. It is profiteering, plain and simple. Here in the US, we have a federal minimum wage, but each state can set its own minimum, as long as it is at least the same as the federal minimum. For instance, here in California, our minimum wage is $6.75, while the federal minimum is $5.15. Also, in California, tipped employees must be paid the state minimum wage by the employer--there are no "tip credits." |
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| mozart8mytoe | Jul 17 2006, 06:04 AM Post #46 |
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Personal service. The taxi driver takes you wherever you want to go from wherever you are. While you are in his cab, he is your personal driver. Taking a bus or train is far less personal. No train driver has ever turned around because I changed my mind or cut through the park to save a minute or two. Those of us who deal with large groups of people rather than one at a time have to resign ourselves to our tipless fate. I would love to be tipped, but I think it would be awkward if people climbed onstage in between movements. Why do we even tip anyone when they are being paid to do their job anyway? Social conditioning. It would be considered rude not to. I rarely even think about it or the person’s economic situation at home. That is not my responsibility. Tipping is a habit. If someone gives me food, I whip out cash (this could explain why my sister keeps inviting me over for dinner). How can anyone make less than minimum wage? In the United States (in many states, at least), students and people in industries where tipping is the norm can be paid less. It is legal because it is assumed they will receive tips (except students, whom everyone assumes is living on daddy’s dime). According to Ann Landers, this is what you should tip people (in the United States):
I generally agree with this list, except when it comes to doing math. More often than not I will simply aim higher. If the bill is $80, I would most likely just give them $100. With drinks I tip far higher, but that is usually because I have been drinking. |
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| Deleted User | Jul 17 2006, 10:20 AM Post #47 |
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I don't tip. Partly for the reason Andy said. Eg taxi drivers are doing the job they're meant to be doing. When I do my job properly I get called a jobsworth and I get abuse!! :rolleyes: Furthermore I have known waiters and they get more than I do as standard basic rate of wages. Some restaurants, ALL tips are placed into a communal container and then shared equally as well when some people may not deserve the tips... I just think it's stupid. And also it adds up. I don't have much money, certainly no spare money...mind you I don't take taxis or get pizza deliveries.
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| JeffLynnesBeard | Jul 17 2006, 01:48 PM Post #48 |
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Just to highlight the fact that whoever wrote that list obviously has a lot of money to throw around and evidently doesn't occupy the same world that the majority of us do. In the UK, it would be very rare for bartenders to receive a tip.
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| maccascruff | Jul 17 2006, 01:58 PM Post #49 |
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I know I don't have the money to tip like that--or to use most of those services. |
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| waitingforatrim | Jul 17 2006, 02:19 PM Post #50 |
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I once worked in a 4 star restaurant (as a sous chef, back of the house) and the waiters and waitresses I knew would easily make $250 a night in tips. Did they claim them all? I have no idea. That kind of money can add up, but keep in mind that there are no insurance benefits for them, they must pay for an individual insurance policy which, if there are kids involved, can run into over $1000 per month. |
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| maccascruff | Jul 18 2006, 12:36 AM Post #51 |
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What is a sommelier?
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| theonlyfab4fan | Jul 18 2006, 04:05 AM Post #52 |
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That is a person who is an expert on wines. |
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| BeatleBarb | Jul 18 2006, 04:10 AM Post #53 |
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Hell, forget 15% tip, I'll drink for advice! |
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| mozart8mytoe | Jul 18 2006, 05:10 AM Post #54 |
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Actually, Ann Landers is dead. So you are quite correct that she does not occupy the same world as the rest of us. |
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| Deleted User | Jul 18 2006, 10:23 AM Post #55 |
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LoL. I mean, we never see nurses getting tips, do we? And they provide a more valuable service thatn telling you which wines to order. <_< |
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| maccascruff | Jul 18 2006, 02:16 PM Post #56 |
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I don't drink wine, so I guess I will never be tipping this person. |
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| BikerLikeAnIcon | Jul 18 2006, 02:36 PM Post #57 |
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I guess I tip too much. I don't want to come across as cheap. I tipped the pizza guy $5 the other night, and in the unusual circumstance I go to a grocery store where they take the bags to your car, I usually give them $5 too. I always give the lady who cuts our hair $5 as a tip. As far as restaurants go, I do the usual 15% unless it's really good service. But, hey, if you've just eaten an 80 dollar meal, you tend to be kinda stingy with the tips! I'm with Andy, I don't know why we tip some and don't tip others. When I bought my tanning bed I guess I should have tipped the guys who came out and set it up for me. I mean, I tip the pizza guy, and all he does is hand the pizza to me! |
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| Miss Mary | Jul 18 2006, 03:21 PM Post #58 |
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I tip bartenders about $1, I tip my hairdresser about $3, and if I remember I tip the restroom attendant $1. I never tip a waiter/waitress below 15%. If you gave me good service, I'll tip 20%. The pizza delivery person usually gets around $3. In general, I think I'm a pretty good tipper. Minimum wage in NY is $6.75. I think waiters/waitresses get a shitty deal, especially in the restaurants where all the tips are pooled together and are divided equally (which I don't think is fair). After reading Olen's post I think I'm going to become a bag boy, that's ridiculous that they get tips and that sucks that his mom was treated that way, greedy b*stards. Around here, bag boys aren't too common anymore, usually the cashier does the bagging. ~Mary~ |
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| Sandra | Jul 18 2006, 09:25 PM Post #59 |
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around here it is me who does the bagging and I know for sure nobody has ever given me a tip.
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| Deleted User | Jul 18 2006, 09:59 PM Post #60 |
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It could be an entirely different subject but I noticed soon after moving to England that people bag their own groceries. I'm sure I'd never seen or done that in my entire life. Imagine me packing my own shopping!
Shocking! In all seriousness, I do think it slows things down a little when you don't have any help.
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| mozart8mytoe | Jul 19 2006, 07:39 AM Post #61 |
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Americans are spoiled when it comes to grocery shopping. One person to tally your charge, one person to bag your goods (and you do not even have to bring your own bag), and sometimes another to take your crap out to your shiny car tucked away in a parking lot right outside the store. Also, compare the variety and quantity in an American supermarket versus an average European market. Does anyone really need an entire aisle just for potato chips. |
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| Deleted User | Jul 19 2006, 02:30 PM Post #62 |
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You're right about all that except that the supermarkets here - well, I find to be much better. You don't have to go to a special health store and pay more for your organic and vegetarian needs and they're pretty huge on top of that! |
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| Old Brown Shoe | Jul 19 2006, 04:04 PM Post #63 |
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I have a friend thats a waitress and she has to split her tips with the busboys and the cooks!I think thats bad buisness.The busboys don't do anything but clear the tables .If a customer is happy with the service why do busboys get to share in it! |
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| Peter | Jul 19 2006, 05:17 PM Post #64 |
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i don't tip yes i am cheap you wanna see my birds |
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| poster_child | Jul 19 2006, 07:09 PM Post #65 |
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Not only that, but the department stores in Europe have Food Halls where you can pick up groceries. |
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| theonlyfab4fan | Jul 19 2006, 07:59 PM Post #66 |
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Some of the high end department stores in major cities in the US now have food halls as well. Macys in Atlanta has a wonderful gourmet foods market, restaurant and deli. |
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| Sandra | Jul 19 2006, 08:17 PM Post #67 |
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Maybe it does slow things down at the checkout I don't really have anything to make a comparison with but for me it speeds things up at home because I've packed the bags in the way I want them for unloading into cupboards, fridge, freezer etc. On the few ocassions where the assistant has packed my bag (s)he has totally messed up my system. :lol: Never happy eh! I've only viisted Florida and New York in the US and went to a couple of supermarkerts in each state. Nobody ever packed a bag for us and I did't see them helping other customers either so perhaps it does vary. |
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| Merry | Jul 19 2006, 08:35 PM Post #68 |
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I once bagged groceries for a living, and took them out to people's cars, too...briefly, and rarely got a tip for bringing them out in all kinds of nasty weather, but then I wasn't expecting any. But around here you are welcome to help the cashier bag your own groceries if the spirit moves you, otherwise he or she is just doing their job, and I've done that, too. If I have less than 15 items, there are always the "Express Lane's" to go through, or even better are the "Self-Scan" lanes, where you do the entire process yourself. They're fully monitored by a cashier who stays nearby and oversees everything, but it usually goes quicker, that way. Of course they are only used for small orders, too. Merry
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| Peter | Jul 19 2006, 08:47 PM Post #69 |
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here you can help from staff at Sainsburys and Tesco's last week i asked by a pretty young asian lass but i said no ta i am quick, later on she said you are quick. I mostly take my own grip i organise the trolley when i place goods in their so that the heaviest stuff is place on the belt first and therefore packed first. sh*t i am perfect. |
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| Sandra | Jul 19 2006, 08:53 PM Post #70 |
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:lol: My first experience with the self scan checkouts was hilarious. I was attempting to purchase items that were on offer at - two for the price of one. I put the first one on the belt - no problem.
When the next 'free' item was placed on the belt, I got this blaring announcement - 'Unrecognised item on the belt' that was embarrasing enough but then the belt went into rapid reverse motion and chucked the item back at me. I tried again not wanting to get stopped at the door for shop lifting samething happened again. I was scarlet with embarassment and convinced I was in a candid camera sketch. My more recent experiences at the self scan have been less traumatic but I've decided I prefer the human contact and am going to choose aisles with an assisatant present. |
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| Deleted User | Jul 19 2006, 09:32 PM Post #71 |
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Peter, you're a genius. Andy's method is all frozen stuff together and refridgerated stuff together on the belt. He's a genius, too.
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| Peter | Jul 19 2006, 09:43 PM Post #72 |
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yes i do that too except the two tins of meatloaf which go with the tins or the heavy stuff like spuds ect because the meatloaf goes in the fridge. actually i normally do my mums trolley first then mine. hers is all higgley piggley and a bugger to organise on the conveyor. WOMEN WOMEN
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| Queenbee | Jul 20 2006, 02:25 AM Post #73 |
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How rude! Most of the guys and gals, you have to fight to give them a tip back here. I've never had anyone be so rude. Your poor Mom. |
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| Queenbee | Jul 20 2006, 02:45 AM Post #74 |
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I use to work at upscale restaurants when my kids were little. I was able to be home during the day and only work weekend night and every other Sunday. I made excellent money. More money in 2 days than my professional friends brought home working all week and still had to pay a babysitter.We had to claim at least 15% of our bills because it was known that you would make at least that. I was good at what I did and enjoyed it. Every table was like my own personal guest in my home. I sold usually the most wine ~~ most desserts. I must say I use to be one dam waitress. They use to want us to wear waitress shoes and I always would wear *RED* shoes. The other people would ask why do I get to wear red shoes? They said when you sell as much wine as I did, then they could wear whatever color shoe they wanted. I could never waitress again.....I don't have the patience like I use to (or body) to put up with the difficult customers. Before I use to find it a challenge. I do think small chain restaurants should pay their employees at least minimum wage and make the difference up on the menu. People shouldn't have to beg for a wage/tip. Plus usually those people who come to that type of restaurant don't tip very well. I'm not saying it's a bad restaurant, just normal hamburger, pancake houses waiters/waitress don't make much in tips. Lots of senior citizens, or young teenagers go there and they don't have the income to leave maybe 10%. |
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| Deleted User | Jul 20 2006, 10:44 AM Post #75 |
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I LOVE self-checkouts only you can't scan reduced price items yourself which is a bit annoying. |
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Why do you tip waiters & waitresses in diners & restaurants... and yet you don't tip the people who serve food and clean up in McDonalds or Burger King?





SWT in the rush hour, must be hundreds on your train. I do wonder why we tip certain people though.







I deleted my original post that you quoted because I thought you'd originally replied to my previous point and not Clare's post... I didn't want it to look as if I was 'picking on you' so I got rid of it - but you saw it and quoted it before it disappeared.


Merry

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