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| Dorfliedot | Feb 23 2007, 09:54 PM Post #2201 |
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They love deleteing my threads. wonder why, I never mde it as a top poster. |
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| ogoble | Feb 23 2007, 10:00 PM Post #2202 |
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Does this guy still mod at PM.com? |
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| Dorfliedot | Feb 23 2007, 10:00 PM Post #2203 |
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Who? Martainput. of caurse.. Op's I just saw that pic... No, he never did.
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| modgirl1964 | Feb 23 2007, 10:21 PM Post #2204 |
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LOL! No Post for you!! :lol: |
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| theonlyfab4fan | Feb 23 2007, 11:26 PM Post #2205 |
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Perhaps the powers that be over there should ask themselves the reality checking question of can so many of us be wrong in our opinion of how we saw moderating being handed out? It might be a painful thing to have to admit that perhaps not everything was always done in the full interest of fair of play. Not when some people were allowed to get away with such flagrant violations of disrespect and personal attacks and others got a great big smack down from the get go. And I am not being bitchy with my comments. I`m just calling it as I see it. Stevie Wonder could have seen it. I loved that place. I loved all the wonderful people that I met there. Not all the moderators were bad apples either. I have a lot of respect for quite a few of them. But some did drop the ball. To err is human and to forgive is devine and I am more than willing to forgive but for goodness sake be big enough to realize when there is a problem and be willing to find a middle ground on which to meet. It came across to me as the it`s our way or the highway. Thankfully Andy and Fiona were kind enough to put in a very nice service road for all of us. Sometimes we loose track here as well, and get a little bitchy with each other but thankfully we are allowed to work it out and kiss and make up without being made to feel like idiots. |
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You say you want to save humanity but it`s people that you just can`t stand John came to me in a dream and this is what he said. "I had a vision of a man on a flaming pie, and he told me that Betsy with a B not Lisa with a L is the biggest fan of mine". John trumps 'the boss' ! I WAS ROBBED BY THAT DEVIL WOMAN | |
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| Dorfliedot | Feb 23 2007, 11:34 PM Post #2206 |
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You know how many warning I got . and I was the one attach first. geez, I can never win. I am innocent as can be except time I said, someone was a blank. but, that was wasn't me it was antidotty. |
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| bec_walker | Feb 23 2007, 11:38 PM Post #2207 |
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Has anybody ever posted a topic over there about the moderating and questioning it? |
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| Dorfliedot | Feb 23 2007, 11:42 PM Post #2208 |
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well, I posted it get edit to much. caurse, I get agnored as always. they, just love me for my animation. |
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| JeffLynnesBeard | Feb 23 2007, 11:45 PM Post #2209 |
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Yes, that has happened. Those threads got locked and deleted fairly swiftly.
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| BeatleBarb | Feb 24 2007, 01:35 AM Post #2210 |
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Andy, Fiona - Have I told you lately that I love you? You guys rock! |
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| foolonthehill | Feb 24 2007, 01:37 AM Post #2211 |
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I've only gone to that board a few times. The people seem cold and brutal
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| Dorfliedot | Feb 24 2007, 01:41 AM Post #2212 |
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Hey, I am not Brutal. |
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| maccascruff | Feb 24 2007, 02:36 AM Post #2213 |
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I really think the mods over there have been in place way too long and it's time for a change. Martin was the worst thing that ever happened to that forum. The team did show favoritism and let some get away with anything and some got messages for the slightest thing. They wouldn't believe me when I told them what happened to me over there. I'm sure they are glad I rarely go there and I know I'm much happier here. I did make lots of wonderful friends there and some have moved here and some have not. |
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| Beatlesaholic | Feb 24 2007, 03:15 AM Post #2214 |
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The paulmccartney board Is Okay I Like This Board Better All Of You Are So Nice On Here!
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| Bill | Feb 24 2007, 03:26 AM Post #2215 |
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"We cannot discuss mod deliberations." Call me a cynic, but I call that code for making the rules up as you go along. |
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| audrey | Feb 24 2007, 05:15 AM Post #2216 |
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or a way of saying it doesnt matter what you think, it is what i think that counts..... that and we are in charge and dont care if we are right or not |
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| BlueMolly2009 | Feb 24 2007, 08:29 AM Post #2217 |
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I'm sorry, but I'm not going to put a blanket generalization to the mods there, because there are a few that are still my friends, and I bet are friends with some here too. There is one in particular who I can't stand because he used to be really nice but changed once he got the power. His brian inflated and let the powr of moderating get to his head. I mean let's just say his head grew ten times bigger than ever. I resent how people think that all the mods there are bad and didn't care, because I never had issues with some of them. Actually a couple of them helped me out the best they could. Maybe I shouldn't be friends with them, but I like them. I have no issues with clo or Daniel at all, but that's me. I think others here have issues with them because they think they showed favoritism, but the one whyo showed favoritism showed it very clearly to me. I know I shouldn't have just used names to two of the mods there, but people has mentioned Martin's name. Also there are some members there who I wish could come over there, but I know they won't because certain people here don't like them, at least that's what I've been told. I'd love to have seen them here, but that will never happen. I don't go over there anymore because of one mod ruined it for me because his siding with two members who I can't stand, which means I lost communication with a few great people. Okay, I'm rambling now, sorry. |
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| Dorfliedot | Feb 24 2007, 08:36 AM Post #2218 |
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I love them all. I just like to harass them..
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| mozart8mytoe | Feb 24 2007, 08:39 AM Post #2219 |
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I resent how people like cake because I prefer pie.
Is it just me, or does the guy in the back look like Al Gore?
In all fairness, were there really that many people who questioned their practices and policies? Out of 20,000 members, only a couple dozen defected. That is not exactly a fatal ratio.
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| theonlyfab4fan | Feb 24 2007, 08:49 AM Post #2220 |
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True to a point moz. But of the 20,000 members a very small fraction actually post. Having said that a quite a few of the very active posters ended up here. |
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You say you want to save humanity but it`s people that you just can`t stand John came to me in a dream and this is what he said. "I had a vision of a man on a flaming pie, and he told me that Betsy with a B not Lisa with a L is the biggest fan of mine". John trumps 'the boss' ! I WAS ROBBED BY THAT DEVIL WOMAN | |
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| Deleted User | Feb 24 2007, 08:52 AM Post #2221 |
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Threads questioning the mods on macca was and still are allowed, but what happens as is happens on this thread is people tend to add little bits that aren't true and arguments between members break out and often members don't like seeing their names involved or discussed in public. And I know that I have personally spent hours on there explaining that to people. I've read this thread and it is a perfect example of why a lot of message boards don't like complaints aired in public on such a scale. But I can also see that with this thread, there's a much darker side that can fester when complaints aren't aired in public so I can see there are clearly 'fors and againsts' for public complaints which I don't think should be dismissed or ignored. The dark side being, half of what I've read on here isn't true and is just 'gossip' but I also know that on here, there's little or no point in trying to put a counter point across, as those with vested interests of their own, will and always have shouted down any such arguments anyway. There is some constructive criticism though in this thread which is fair enough, and I certainly wouldn't argue with it and I actually agree with some of it but the majority of snide remarks and gossip are just that and nothing else. Am I bothered by the content? Well yes and no. Like I've said the constructive stuff can only be viewed as a positive thing. But I won't pretend that I'm not hurt by having to read stuff about some of these people, that clearly by the comments made here, many of you do not even know and are being swept along by difficult disputes that took place on the macca board of which you've been lucky enough so far, (and I sincerely hope you never do. I know over at the Macca board, with it being an official place, we've had many odd situations, legal threats, etc made that most likely this board will never have to deal with hopefully) to have not had those same problem on here. And naturally, by others mistakes and experiences or whatever you want to call it, this board is going to function for the better. I don't think anyone could or want to deny that or try to put this place down for it. If this board needs to keep some of the more fictional negative comments going about the macca board, then that's not for me to dispute. But, when I'm reading about situations that I was involved in directly being discussed by people who clearly are adding bits on for effect or even not telling the truth whilst taking advantage of the fact that the macca board doesn't discuss individual users as it is very much aware that the users there have basic legal rights to allow certain issues to remain confidential on forums that are open to the public, I think I have to comment. And some of the people posting in this thread now, have exercised and demanded that basic right in the past when it's suited them to the extent that the mods (and myself included in that) have taken and been ready to take the blame for them to keep their anonymity! If me reading this thread was the case of the old adage that the truth hurts, I could accept and live with that, but it isn't the case here. I'm not denying a basic demand for people to complain or vent or whatever. What I'm questioning is the need for what I can only class as bitchy comments about real people. It isn't a few simple moans or venting cos if it was I'd most likely join in with some of it as I can find fault with any message board. Some of this is real nasty stuff, the likes that many of you would not tolerate if it was being written about yourselves. And I know, that many of you have taken offense to much less in the past. :hmm: |
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| Dorfliedot | Feb 24 2007, 08:52 AM Post #2222 |
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I was thinking which I don't do often is I love Paul.. |
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| BlueMolly2009 | Feb 24 2007, 09:05 AM Post #2223 |
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Sarah, I understand what your're saying and respect your opinion, but i was in the middle of one of the situations that happened and I was stabbed in the back by a few of the members and one of the mods there who I thought were decent people. I was made to choose who to be friends with because I was threatened by one of the members. i don't appreciate what happened to me at all. I thought two members got away with "murder" and they never got what they deserved and they hurt me and some others who are now over here. That's why I resent one mod in particular for what he did. I thought he was a decent guy before he was a mod, but seemed to get power hungry when he got his job. Maybe it's unfair for me to say that, but he seemed to favor other members over others and never did what he should have done to them. |
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| Deleted User | Feb 24 2007, 10:21 AM Post #2224 |
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Hi Molly, I'm not here to discuss individual cases for the reasons I've already given. But I will be as honest and open as I can be without risking me facing any legal consequences. (sounds dramatic, but believe me, I wish that's all it was) I do know I was moderating at the time and I do know that all the mods were working very much as part of a team and I also know that if you felt that way by whatever any mod conveyed to you at the time, myself included, it sincerely was not the intent to make you feel so. The mods were not and should never be there to pass judgement on what he says/she says or make decisions on behalf of anyone who was unsure about where their friendship should lay. The situation was a very messy scenario and one that in hindsight maybe could have been dealt with differently but only in so much that I really do believe personally that ALL involved should have been banned for carrying it on that it disrupted the message board whilst it was fully investigated. The situation was so serious and everyone was trying to get to the bottom of all sorts of accusations, it very nearly broke the macca board following accusations of hacking, and threats being made and rumours and gossip. Like I said, I'm not going to discuss details, but I do know that there was never any proof of any hacking and I fully explained that to members that asked about it at that time so reading that the posts that say the concern about this were dismissed, are not true as I dealt with it personally and I made every possible effort to find out about it and answer the concerns about it. I myself value my privacy on message boards and I certainly would never cover up any basic security risk issues for the sake of any members that would compromise anyones privacy including my own. I was even shown messages that discussed me being involved because I'd happen to post a reply to someone and suddenly I'm thier best bud ???? To be honest, I was almost thinking the board would be better off remaining closed if the members were prepared to allow their breakdown in friendships ruin it for others with such powerful and dangerous threats. But it wasn't fair to the majority of users who had no involvement in it whatsoever that the minority involved would be left to spoil it for all. But then theories of the board being closed 'deliberately' came out and because no one really wants to be sued for discussing details, depite me trying to say no conspiracy theories existed both at the time and since, no one believes it. Maybe they don't want to believe it for whatever reasons known only to them. Then the TMT forum got deleted that I not only apologised for but I explained it certainly hadn't been intentional but still theories ran to the contrary. I am not stupid enough to realise that it didn't look iffy after the forum had been kept closed for a while, but if people refuse to believe me, what can I do ? I normally don't bother saying anything, it's only when I see pictures of Hitler being used to describe a bunch of people that are being so badly represented by stuff that hasn't even happened, or basic misunderstandings or things that they aren't easily able to discuss or answer openly, that I feel like posting. And I've got a sense of humour having once been called Sarah Mussolini very publically before |
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| Deleted User | Feb 24 2007, 11:57 AM Post #2225 |
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And how many members that ended up here initially were involved in the so called break down of a friendship and because the mods didn't want to take sides and had to try to get to the bottom of it all started picking fault with practially anything and everything cos they wasn't getting what they wanted by seeing what they saw as justice being immediately done. For any kind of fair justice to be done, all sides had to be looked at and taken into account and didn't rely on a friend of one side or another to pass somekind of half arsed judgement on anyone based on hearsay. How many users have ended up here where the users themselves have admitted that they wouldn't post here the sort of stuff they have posted over at the macca board through learning how nasty something can get. They naturally want this place to be peaceful, and yet people here are under some kind of misguided theory that the mods over at Macca want to cause as much mayhem as possible. I do appreciate what you are saying about complaints though so I'm not dismissing that, and like I said, I've got a few of my own and I'd most likely agree with you on some things, but (for example) when users who took a dislike to others and complained even if they posted without the use as smilies as examples of trying to get them banned, I not only just don't buy, I don't agree with it either. Cliques form and attempts have been made in the past to get unpopular users off message boards because of alliances made and broken down. That's fine for a basic fan site that ban anyone who isn't flavour of the month. That wouldn't happen on the Macca board. Users are only ever banned following facts obtained and complaints based on what the majority of the message board make and not just on the hearsay of a bunch of friends who for whatever reason just don't get along anymore. I think it's important to some of the people reading about the 'so called' moderators, really could do with knowing a few simple truths about what people were asking the moderators to do at that time. Like I said, I'm happy to say and accept that obviously no one and nowhere is perfect and constructive feedback is always going to be good to have and read, and I'm sure anyone would be ready to listen, but I'll repeat again, some of the stuff on this thread isn't any kind of helpful criticism whatsoever. |
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| JeffLynnesBeard | Feb 24 2007, 12:32 PM Post #2226 |
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Thank you for your honesty, Sarah - I respect your opinion and can also appreciate having your hands tied by issues of confidentiality and realise just how frustrating it is to watch people post things that you know simply aren't true but, of course, there is absolutely no way you can correct them. All you can do is tell people that what they're saying is untrue (and/or edit/delete their posts) and hope they take what you're saying on face value - but people more than often do not accept assurances without substance. I have to say that, along with the positives, there is a huge negative aspect about running & moderating a message board. The moderators at the Macca board don't get paid anything - all they really get is the honour of being a moderator at Paul McCartney's official message board which, I'm sure, probably doesn't seem worth it sometimes. This current policy at Paul's board of not allowing talk about Paul & Heather's split is an administrative policy, which the moderators at Paul's site have the unenviable task of having to carry out. I'm sure the admin have their reasons for this policy and, for all we know, it has probably come from 'up high' but criticism of the moderators at the official board over this issue is perhaps a little unfair. Am I, with the benefit of being at the helm of Strawberry Fields for just under a year, sympathising with the people who run/ran Paul McCartney's official message board? Without a shadow of a doubt, yes. We do have the benefit of hindsight here & learning from past issues and, based on that, have decided to approach moderating and what we allow as content a little different here but, believe me, it must be a lot easier making the rules and the applying them than having to apply someone else's rules, as the moderating team at Paul's site do. There were things, of course, I believed to have been mishandled there and I think I was one of the main voices who was suspicious about the disappearance of the contents of Talk More Talk when it happened but I accept Sarah's explanation and am more than willing to forget all of the other stuff now... it's history. I know that the motive and practicality of being fair and impartial stops you sometimes going with your 'gut feeling' and I suggest that any moderating decisions made by the team at Paul's board was motivated by both not really wanting to get involved in other people's business and by attempting to give both sides of the dispute the benefit of the doubt. In the words of Paul, I think everyone should "Let It Be" as regards to past history. We have this huge advantage of being an independently-run Beatles message board and not having 'the man' telling us what we can and can't say - we just have to use our own judgement as to what is and is not responsible content. The moderators at PaulMcCartney.com often have those parameters defined for them. I believe that the policy of not allowing discussion about Paul & Heather on there is fair game for discussion here - but reheating disputes where you've felt as if you haven't been treated fairly by the moderators at Paul's board... well, I think the time for that kind of talk is now over. What's done is done. We have always wanted the two (and the countless other) message boards to co-exist peacefully. I truly hope we can & leave the past in the past. |
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| maccascruff | Feb 24 2007, 12:51 PM Post #2227 |
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Sarah, I always thought you were a great mod and would love to see you as a mod. |
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| Deleted User | Feb 24 2007, 01:06 PM Post #2228 |
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Thanks Andy
I really appreciate your post. I had been busy finding just a quick example to sort of explain what I meant which I'd still like to re-post here. It's farther back in this thread. This is just one example though.
But the simple truth is the moderators are not able to ban anyone on the Macca Board but the even sadder thing is that someone may have read that post I've quoted and thought it was true. Which is what I kind of meant about a knock on effect with public complaints. That member as it turned out was banned, (if it is indeed the same person, and it makes the explanation of why he posted it a bit obvious as they wanted to cause trouble) but I still have in front of me all the complaints and the upset by the user of that name on the Macca board to get to that point where he was banned and Martin wasn't even a mod on there at the time anyway. I hope the boards can co-exist. I know I've not liked seeing negative stuff about SF written elsewhere at times either. I don't mean people shouldn't be allowed to voice an opinion, I just wish that they were more informed when posting some things that others might all too easily believe as fact. I always try to believe that sooner or later people do see the truth anyway. I like this place, I really do. I don't want to cause trouble or upset anyone because I'm proud to be able to call myself a member here Thanks again (((Andy))) |
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| theonlyfab4fan | Feb 24 2007, 02:25 PM Post #2229 |
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Sarah I have always known you to be fair and unbiased in everything I have witnessed your involvement in. When I said in effect that there sometimes seemed to be a double standard over there, I wasn`t just speaking about that notorious incident that was what turned out to be the straw that broke the camels back. There were quite a number of other little niggling things, some people seemed to be able to get away with saying and certain others were not. It was not hard to spot after awhile. I am more than willing to agree that unless you are personally involved with the incident there can be many behind the closed door things you will never know, and that of course can make the difference. You are right about people forming alliances and there are times when that is not particularly a good thing but it is a very human thing to do. People naturally gravitate towards the personalities that suit their own. It must be very difficult to read some of the things that have been said here but it was good for people to have a place to come where they could get it off their chests. Many of us felt a tremendous relief at being able to speak a bit more freely here. We could have never had this discussion on Pauls board. And even with all the negativity there has been a certain amount of healing with being able to talk about it all. I have never thought you ever did anything but tell the truth in all you have had say to us. I also realize there is only so much truth you are allowed to tell. I am glad that you continue to come and visit with us. I hope you will always wish to do so. You make me laugh. I enjoy your sense of humor.
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| Bill | Feb 24 2007, 02:29 PM Post #2230 |
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In all fairness Sarah, I think we all knew that one that you quoted was bullsh*t from the beginning. He was booted for being a creep and the same thing happened here. I hear what you're saying. I sympathise and, for the most part, agree. I also understand that the mods are hamstrung by admin policy which, if we're honest, is not always for the best. The best way to fight lies is with the truth. I know that the truth is often no-one else's business, but if we had just been told even that much at the maccaboard, I think people would have mee more inclined to accept it. My main issue with how the maccaboard was (and for all I know, is) run is that the members weren't treated as adults. I understand if it's admin policy not to talk about Heather, but equally, it's folly to expect Macca fans not to. I note that I never saw any threads dissing Yoko get deleted. Basically though, distrust breeds distrust. Whether it's by accident or design or admin policy, the mods there come across as a secret society that enforce admin policy but also run their own little fiefdom within that policy. Now maybe that's grossly unfair and unworthy of me, but if all we are told if "you're wrong but we can't tell you why," then the imagination will take over. Members don't trust the mods because the mods don't trust the members. And having said all that, I know that "present company excepted" sounds like a horrible cliche, but it really does apply. You were always the coolest and I never made any secret of my feelings on that score. And it's because you treated people as adults and didn't talk in form letters. That little bit went a long way in my book.
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| Sandra | Feb 24 2007, 03:47 PM Post #2231 |
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Sarah, I find that comment to be quite ironic. I also think it is wrong, most people are quite capable of making up their own minds provided they have enough information. It's when you are only hearing/reading a one sided account of events because of 'confidentiality' that the events get skewed.
Certainly not in recent times Betsy, although in the beginning the Macca Board wasn't even moderated, discussions were allowed to run there natural course. Moderating was an issue that was put to the vote. (No that's not quite true I should have said opinions were sought and some voting took place)
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| BEATNUT | Feb 24 2007, 04:12 PM Post #2232 |
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I've heard many reasons why i'm over here and not at that 'other' place anymore. All I can say is don't believe everything you hear or read. I'm here for one reason and one reason only, because I feel like it. I didn't leave the other place because of any one reason, or person. My close friends that I made over there who I consider family are still that. I've actually read something that someone from over there sent me saying that the reason I don't post there anymore is because this person drove me away with all the political threads. The truth of the matter is that the biggest political person over there is one of my closest and dearest friends. Unbelieveable. :rolleyes: I don't post there anymore because it's just not fun period. There are two Moderators over there that are just plain imbeciles and think who the EFF they are. I might go back there one day when they fire those two Jackasses. But in all honesty, i'm really in no hurry. |
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I don't quite know what to say ... I'd constructed a really lengthy response and realized that it was filled with pointless drivel so I've decided not to post it, but I do have some opinions on the matter so here goes. Basically it would seem that sometimes people don't realize the magnitude of how they come across in an online sense. It's one thing to be forthright and direct about your opinions and perspectives on things that have to do with oneself, but it's quite another thing to do that at someone else's site especially if all you're doing is fanning the flames of discord and discontent, isn't it? I understand that some people have been involved with the message boards that have been provided by the Macca people for a lengthy amount of time ... and they feel a certain amount of personal investment due to that association having been prolonged. However this past year has been a tumultuous year in that camp, with many falsities coming out, much dialog being bandied about within the press, lines in the sand being drawn by those that frequent these boards, and a good deal of nefarious legalities to boot, and so on and so on. I also think that it's rather unfair to perpetually pull SarahF into these sorts of dialogs, now granted part of that is her responsibility ... I mean to say she herself is coming over here and getting herself into these conversations ... I can't avoid noticing that (I don't know why it is that Sarah has somehow become the spokesperson for the Macca board). However I find it a little odd that rather than allow her to just mingle amongst the masses here (so to speak) it seems as though she's not really allowed to just mingle ... she seems to have to play therapist to those on this board that have wounds that are still festering from their experiences on the Paul McCartney site. That doesn't seem to be fair to me. In my opinion she shouldn't have to do that ... it would seem that this isn't very civil of us as a group to be approaching her on subject matter that has little if anything to do with her. If you have an issue with someone why not take it directly to the person you have issue with? I mean to say that if you have an issue with Martin ... then why not make your way over to the Macca board and PM him with a well orchestrated message asking for a dialog on the matter in order to resolve the issue? And if that isn't a desirable option for whatever the reason, then take some responsibility on that decision ... meaning, admit to yourself that although the ball is in your proverbial court you're refusing to volley it across the net. As Andy has indicated these aren't people that are being paid to do what they do (i.e. moderate those threads) ... they do have to navigate and negotiate with a vast multitude of personality types from several different continents and timezones ... often times if an issue is brought to them they have to parse through a number of threads and posts to attempt to discern where the breakdown in cohesiveness occurred (and if that breakdown occurred not on the board, but through a private message dialog or off board email exchange ... it would seem to be even more difficult). I'll assume that perhaps some of their decisions on matters may be purely based upon the individuals "past history" of involvement within discussions that are publicly available on the board rather than getting into those areas that would more difficult to follow (i.e. private messages or emails that would seem to me to be completely out of their control). I've seen some rather immature tendencies crop up with people in general at times via these online communities and that's just an observation not a judgment call ... now I don't know if that's an age thing or if that's a personality thing that feeds that tendency, but it's glaringly there with some and it's a little much at times. |
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| Dorfliedot | Feb 24 2007, 07:24 PM Post #2234 |
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I love both boards. |
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| pood for paul | Feb 24 2007, 07:29 PM Post #2235 |
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Silly me~I joined both boards, because of our mutual love for Paul McCartney.
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| Dorfliedot | Feb 24 2007, 07:30 PM Post #2236 |
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Hey, I get warning on every board i go too. I am me what can I say. but,, I do try to be good. but, antidotty always comes out.. She is sucha bad girl |
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| Dorfliedot | Feb 24 2007, 07:33 PM Post #2237 |
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Sarah, you always was a understanding mod. and I always was me. I still am. I still love to bug the mods.but, hey Sarah, your not mod no more. so, you don't have answer to everything. oh, wait! yes, you do your Paul. |
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| BEATNUT | Feb 24 2007, 07:47 PM Post #2238 |
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| Deleted User | Feb 24 2007, 07:52 PM Post #2239 |
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Here's an honest to God question BEATNUT ... which did I do? :lol: |
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| BlueMolly2009 | Feb 24 2007, 07:56 PM Post #2240 |
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Hey I'm not a constant complainer, I was just venting my views about some of the people on the other message board. Sarah was my favorite mod over there because she was a very understanding person. There, however are those who are not so understanding because they favor certain members of that message board. Yes, I do have a grudge over certain ppeople over there because what they did, and they seemed to have gotten away with "murder." even though they DID do bad things. Just some of the mods just turned with a blind eye to what was going on because they wer friends of those people. |
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| Deleted User | Feb 24 2007, 08:09 PM Post #2241 |
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Well you know Molly ... I suppose I might not be the best person to provide an opinion about the stuff that you're conveying or anything. Granted I'd been a member of that board since October of 2002 ... back when it's URL was off the artscience.net area instead of the macca.devstars URL, but as I understand it there was an even earlier incarnation of the site that I'd never been aware of until it was mentioned to me. That being the case I can only offer up an opinion based upon the time frame within which I was involved. The thing is which threads were you participating within, what types of dialog were you offering within those threads ... how often did you find yourself within threads that were crossing the line of what is acceptable and what was edgy? By that I mean to say were you finding yourself frequently in threads that became riddled with moderator edits? See honestly I don't know any of that ... and because of the types of things that I gravitate toward I wasn't necessarily exposed to some of the things that have been brought up as having caused some bruising amongst those that were exposed to whatever it was. My tendency was to become a little heartsick when I'd find a number of threads that had moderator edits within them ... because of those edits I found it difficult to participate within those threads, because after a while it seemed like some people just didn't have any tact or sense of decorum toward self-moderation. I dunno really ... I mean maybe the content that had been edited was completely innocent, but just the fact that there was this swath of edits going on made me feel really sad about what "might have been" being said or whatnot. That was why I started really being discriminating about where I posted and what I posted and with whom I posted. I didn't want to fuel the controversy. Yeah I've had a couple of little moments with Torie from Texas (who's a hoot on occasion ... and I absolutely love her avatar) and I've had a couple of moments with calicosky2001 (whoever that is ... but only recently and it was regarding my avatar, they were very nice about it all too) and of course I'd had a couple of moments with martinput as well. Having stated that I don't think that I'd ever really formed an alliance with anyone to any substantial end, and well ... that's fine and dandy with me. By the way I have probably gotten away with a thing or two in my time on that board, but my hopes is that this wouldn't be because of favoritism, but possibly because of those things being somewhat amusing as opposed to totally or purely controversial. Maybe I'm right about that ... or maybe it's just because I can occasionally fly under the radar. I dunno. |
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| Dorfliedot | Feb 24 2007, 08:11 PM Post #2242 |
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you were Icarus! them why don't I remember you? I am old wingspan person. |
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| Deleted User | Feb 24 2007, 08:16 PM Post #2243 |
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Well you see I wasn't involved with the wingspan board ... I'd joined the artscience.net board prior to seeing his show at the Rose Garden in 2002. Granted I'd been looking at the MACCA-L site back in the late 1990's ... before they made it a criteria that one provide some sort of justification for membership, never felt appropriate to justify or seek out someone's approval for my interests in the situation so I never did end up doing that. Or are you saying that the artscience.net was the wingspan board? See I don't really know ... I was rather caught up in some things that year that made it a little difficult to fathom some of the sideline things that were happening. |
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| Dorfliedot | Feb 24 2007, 08:19 PM Post #2244 |
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No, wingspan board was pauls offical site. he made it after linda died. Sarah f, fionaM, cathy(beatlechick) and others were on that board. Alot people here I been knowing for years and years. |
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| Deleted User | Feb 24 2007, 08:24 PM Post #2245 |
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I see ... you mean it complimented his release of the 'Wingspan' compilation CD ... now I understand a little more. When did that board cease to exist? Was it something that he pulled following his involvement with Heather ... that would make sense wouldn't it. I mean if Heather was all insecure about him having a site dedicated to Linda, sad that this is what is occurring to me. Perhaps that's why some people do have such visceral opinions of Heather ... I mean aside from the more obvious things that she's allowed herself to be associated with. Unscrupulous behavior really. See I don't know any of that sort of thing firsthand. I honestly am a little beguiled about some things, and I do feel badly for those that were affected by that site being shutdown if they felt that it was more or less a slap in the face of Linda and what she represented to them. |
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| Dorfliedot | Feb 24 2007, 08:28 PM Post #2246 |
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Paul went and got a faster board after us member were saying the board need to be faster. but, he stop taking to us as much after he met Heather. believe it or not. He use to answer are questiions once in awhile. |
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| Deleted User | Feb 24 2007, 08:35 PM Post #2247 |
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Hmmmm ... that is interesting. Don't really have much to say about that, as I didn't realize that this was the case. Well now some of the mixed feelings that have been voiced about things makes a bit more sense to me ... although it also makes me a little weary of things as well. I might be in need of some R&R .... What a tangled web that has been woven eh? |
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| audrey | Feb 24 2007, 08:38 PM Post #2248 |
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if i can interject here maybe i can help clear up a little misunderstanding. i think i can give a little history. first came wingspan....... and i am not sure when that shut down, next came the artscience board, for that is also when i joined and those of us that did were fortunate enough to get those wonderful presale passwords for the 2002 show, but you had to register twice to get them. many old time ( read wingspan) members did not receive the passwords and feelings were upset and so being fairly new to the board, i lurked alot and posted a little. the rest you should know cuz you were also a member.cathy, dorothy, sarah, fiona, and remember Ant?and many others were part of that first board, and like you i joined after wingspan closed |
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| Dorfliedot | Feb 24 2007, 08:40 PM Post #2249 |
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would like some weed. it might help you. here take a toke. then maybe, you write a little less for me to understand you more. sorry, I can't read to many words it confuse me. |
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| Dorfliedot | Feb 24 2007, 08:41 PM Post #2250 |
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Oh, was it called art science. wow, I just knew it was paul board. Of caurse, I remember Ant. |
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| Deleted User | Feb 24 2007, 08:44 PM Post #2251 |
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:lol: :lol: :lol: Too funny ... yeah that might work. |
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| Dorfliedot | Feb 24 2007, 08:45 PM Post #2252 |
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Good! Dorothy passes you a joint. |
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| theonlyfab4fan | Feb 24 2007, 08:49 PM Post #2253 |
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Audrey the same thing happened with the 2005 presale passwords. You had to register to the site and not the messege board in order to recieve the passwords and many people who had been on the board far longer than I didn`t get their passwords and there were many heated discussions and a lot of flying over it. |
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| Deleted User | Feb 24 2007, 08:49 PM Post #2254 |
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Well that makes the second deal with the passcodes on the macca.devstars board make more sense ... I mean the presale for the 2005 show. I wasn't in on the presale for the 2002 show ... I'd already bought my ticket before I joined. It was actually rather cool too, I'd been debating whether or not to do that show (the 2002 show) due to some issues happening around me, but everyone on my side was lauding me to go do it 'cause I needed a break. Really badly. At any rate the one that I got was one that had been sitting there taunting me for several days ... I mean I'd check and this one seat kept coming up, eventually I ended up doing some calculations (yeah, I know ... I'm weird) ... and determined that given the cost of the ticket and the estimates of the amount of time that he was prone to play ... well it was cheaper than a transcontinental phone call, so I went for it. What am I talking about ... thinking that Dorothy has gotten me riled or something. :lol: Whatever ... okay, so I need to go do something other than type. I'm confusing Dorothy and I'm probably running out of steam at the moment. Bah.
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| Dorfliedot | Feb 24 2007, 08:51 PM Post #2255 |
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You know,i never was in that. I was just there to post and met Paul. and still haven't met him. Just my luck. and i am still waiting. oh, and to met all you wonderful people. love you guys.
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| Dorfliedot | Feb 24 2007, 08:54 PM Post #2256 |
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well, if you got to the point. instead of rattling on . maybe, I could understand what exactly you were trying to say. don't get me wrong icarus, I love you to bunches. and you are a nice Lady. but, hell! half time I wondering what hell you are saying. I can't read all that. |
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| Deleted User | Feb 24 2007, 08:58 PM Post #2257 |
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Yeah ... I remember people getting sideways about the 2005 presale situation, I think I even freaked out for a bit
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| Dorfliedot | Feb 24 2007, 09:01 PM Post #2258 |
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| audrey | Feb 24 2007, 09:01 PM Post #2259 |
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yeah but with the 2005 presale passwords there were many other issues as well. in 2002 i had registered to become a member of the board not knowing there was an upcoming tour for it had not been announced yet and not aware they would email me an internet password, it worked differently than the second time around. i certainly did not register for the password, but when the second tour came, many did, but it was either too late or they didnt register at both locations on the same site and didnt get it, for some it just didnt work. either way, that is the history as i remember it and as i may have had some of icarus or dorothys weed, my memory could be unclear or confused as well and i am also lucky enough to have met some fine friends on this board, live and in person, at concerts, and that makes it so much more special |
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| Deleted User | Feb 24 2007, 09:02 PM Post #2260 |
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Well on that note ... I'll leave it to you Dorothy. Sorry to be confusing you on any of this. Originally I think I was responding to whatever was happening out here while I was unconscious ... I knocked myself out for about 18 hours, and now I suppose I'm just confusing the hell out of you. Sorry ... I'll go find myself a nice comfortable rock to crawl under and wish you well on your posting adventures out here. Thanks for the virtual toke too.
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| audrey | Feb 24 2007, 09:03 PM Post #2261 |
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| Dorfliedot | Feb 24 2007, 09:07 PM Post #2262 |
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Icarus, ignore me. we love ya.. I am just a one point kind of gal. I am not a big words person. And for feather note half time other don't understand me too. so, don't take me personally. I am just not as smart as all of you. |
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| Deleted User | Feb 24 2007, 09:15 PM Post #2263 |
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Maybe I'd tell you through a PM if you're really interested, but I don't think I wanna discuss it here ... especially sense I'm confusing Dorothy.
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| Dorfliedot | Feb 24 2007, 09:17 PM Post #2264 |
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Hey, icarus alot people confuse me. I am a confuse person. what can i say, that is why, I get a nut check. Now, I feel bad. I didn't mean hurt your feelings..
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| Deleted User | Feb 24 2007, 10:11 PM Post #2265 |
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No you didn't hurt my feelings Dorothy ... no harm or anything, just reminded me of something and therefore I acted on the thing you reminded me of. Thanks for being concerned, and I did enjoy the exchange ... so as I indicated no real issue on my side. Boy this thread really did take a side trip though didn't it?? |
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| Dorfliedot | Feb 24 2007, 10:16 PM Post #2266 |
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Oh, good. I hate hurt anyones feelings. Sometimes i don't think before i post. |
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| Deleted User | Feb 24 2007, 10:20 PM Post #2267 |
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I've quoted all of your post Sandra as it seems a good point to start with but it isn't an answer directed at just you personally I find a whole lot of things pretty ironic at the moment so I can take your point. Discussions were not only left to run their natural course before moderators were made at the Macca board, but it was also losing members daily with the amount of trouble and abuse that was on it. It was chaos. The need for moderators was put to a vote, and again point taken Sandra, the same with any vote on any message board, it's only as strong as the people willing to vote in it and is almost impossible to be a true representative as members often have multiple ID's or vote in cliques. I'm not sure what you mean by protectiveness, but I will say that I'm posting on here to attempt to put another side across that has been left missing. I'm not out to protect anyone. I want to speak and no one is going to silence me now I know I don't have to justify anything and I'm more than aware that some will think I'm a complete t*at anyway. As everyone has said so many times and are still saying, the silence has allowed all sorts of idea's to pop into minds about what might be happening. So I've spoken up because this just seems to be going on and on. No truth is getting out at all, well, maybe one thing is becoming obvious that I think is starting to show but as you said Sandra, people will make up their own minds. I am a member on here that is reading stuff and situations that I am directly involved in. It's irrelevant that I am no longer an active moderator there at this moment in time. I know not everyone can like everyone. We don't sit round giant camp fires singing kum by ya. I know that some people will not like moderators and to a certain extent, the odd remarks directed sort of goes with the territory. I've read here how I was fair, how I was understanding, how I was a 'good' mod, how some say I should still be moderating. Well I'm afraid that can't be true as I worked as part of a team and as part of that team was involved in trying to find the best solution to problems as they arose. Some of the things that I'm seeing complaints about, I was directly involved in the moderator action. I don't want anyone to be under any illusions about that. I can't be two different things. One thing I do do is listen. The Macca board is a seperate place to this one. What happens on here and what people say is of no concern to it to the point of having any control over it which is only right. Some of the complaints and the people complaining, I am seeing for the first time on here which is even more worrying. I know feedback is neccesary, but it would have been nice to have known some of these things at the time instead of trying to lock a stable door after the horse has bolted, LOL. It may not be the policy at macca for public complaints, but it isn't the only message board that runs on that policy. It's sad that I've have to read this place to see what people think. That has nothing to do with people no being able to talk freely over at Macca. There has always been a facility for complaints there. I can see though that at time people have felt almost silenced in the past, but again this has never been an intentional thing. To be honest often users have not been willing to accept any explanation given to them openly or via pm and some have no intention of following any basic rules or advice given to them and some members have been downright abusive and made things personal when the mods have bent over backwards to do the right thing for the majority. But I can say, I know that many of the few complaints made at macca through pm's have not only been listened to, but things have been changed as a result where they could and needed to be. Like already said, some of the complaints I can understand where people are coming from on them so I won't even begin to try to say that there isn't a basic need to vent a few issues I'll make it clear though I don't agree with everything said and I don't think it's right that anyone should be bullied into doing anything by force of numbers. If anything needs to be done, it should only be done for the good of something and not because it's been demanded by a few. What I want to know, (although I think I already know the answer) is how it's OK for members to discuss things so openly and judging people on here by name, that some of the members previously have requested anything about them personally to be removed at macca and some of it nowhere near as personal as some of the stuff on here ? Sorry but I'm off now but only cos I'm flued up to the max again and I've got a few things to do before I log off the net altogether. Sorry I'm crap at writing too. I know my grammar isn't the best, or my spelling But I will be back when I can as I'm really trying to understand a lot of things. It's important to me that I do |
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| Deleted User | Feb 24 2007, 10:25 PM Post #2268 |
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| Dorfliedot | Feb 24 2007, 10:27 PM Post #2269 |
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I have no problems. except putting my foot in my mouth time to time. Op's did i say that about myself.. ![]() Dam, truth potion. |
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| Deleted User | Feb 24 2007, 10:29 PM Post #2270 |
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Well you know I figure that if I've had some experience with someone ... and we've developed some sort of unspoken understanding with one another through our posts, then what's the point of taking them the wrong way when it very well could be just familiarity that's allowing each of us to be the way we are with one another. I mean, sometimes I just read stuff that others post and don't respond right away ... maybe that's a bad habit (I dunno) ... but when you tend to do that it allows you to get some sense of each other too. Anyway, it's fine and not a problem if you feel comfortable enough with me to say whatever Dorothy ... at least we've had some conversations in public and that's cool enough. However when someone approaches me that hasn't taken the time to address me publicly ... ends up doing that, well then I'm probably a little less flexible about it. I mean I understand that they might have read my posts and not responded (so they might feel that it's okay to be familiar ... when really, I might not have a clue as to what they're about), so then it's a little more cloudy to relate to. I'm still figuring out some stuff as concerns these boards it would seem ... and there is a learning curve with just about everything these days isn't there? |
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| Dorfliedot | Feb 24 2007, 10:39 PM Post #2271 |
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Sarah ignoring me and I don't like it.
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| theonlyfab4fan | Feb 24 2007, 10:44 PM Post #2272 |
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Well you see there Icarus you have made a vallid point about certain people who have familiarity that not all are privy too. I remember something that happened on Pauls board when I was still somewhat of a newbie but had already had the pleasure to speak on the phone and be familiar with BEATNUT, and he made a comment towards me in his famous coffee time thread that had everything to do with a play on my last name. Well it was a bit lascivious but the people who didn`t know what my real name was would have no idea it was a total inside joke. I remember Sarah the mod getting a bit stern with him over that even though I never complaingned. So I pmd her and said, hey this is okay with me, my last name happens to be so and so and that is what makes it an iside joke. I am in no way offended so please don`t reprimand him on my behalf. I realize that moderators on public message boards (and especially those that are owned by business savvy people like Paul) walk a very fine line but I still say come on people lighten up just a teeny tiny bit. Not all that is posted and hashed and rehashed on the internet is of world changing consequences, so maybe we can afford a little bit more of freedom of speech and a little less censcorship(and I am aware that I have spelled a lot of things wrong, and my grammar is poor, just as Sarah has acknowledged, but don`t jump on an easy bandwagon to take cheap shots to negate the messege) |
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| Deleted User | Feb 24 2007, 10:46 PM Post #2273 |
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Man can I just supplement everything I've posted with the comment that this is really a freaky thread. I mean, sometimes it's just people throwing in comments about whether or not that board is available or accessible, sometimes it's just people sounding off about how they felt persecuted for whatever the reasons, and sometimes it's just people telling anyone that has an opinion that isn't the most glowing or stellar about that board that they're full of it and in need of a reality check. Sarah, I don't know you too well and I really don't want to get into a battle or major debate with you ... but quite honestly it seems to me that you don't have the most honorable of intentions in coming over here in the first place. It seems as though there are a number of people that are piling on compliments to the hilt with you, and that's fine and dandy if that's their opinion of you and they're honestly thrilled at you're being here when you choose to make your presence known. However it seems that every time you come through you end up giving people a major lecture about the other board ... and given that you've admitted that you come through to read the posts in order to get some sort of sense of the pulse of things through this medium, well it just strikes me as being a self-serving intent and I'm not quite sure I "get it" ... you seem to have ulterior motives and I don't quite understand why it matters to you if so and so has an chip on their shoulders about whatevertheheck happened x-amount of months ago. I'd like to see you as attempting to be a solution as opposed to a stirer of malarkey, but you aren't really presenting yourself in a manner that this would be the opinion that I'm left with. Of course now that I've made that grandiose statement I'll quite possibly be shunned for having stated it, but honestly in my opinion it's something that has needed to be stated for a while now and I just felt that I might as well put it out there. |
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| Deleted User | Feb 24 2007, 10:53 PM Post #2274 |
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Now even I myself might shun myself over that last post of mine.
Man, this is a weird place to be getting into some of these dialog's isn't it??
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| Dorfliedot | Feb 24 2007, 10:53 PM Post #2275 |
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That is because, Sarah is Paul.. Get it Icraus. i been trying tell you all that. but, of caurse, you think I am nuts.
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| Deleted User | Feb 24 2007, 10:56 PM Post #2276 |
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A likely excuse ... I've heard it too many times, hell I've been accused of it myself on a couple of occasions. Poor guy ... he's got way too many people that are being mistaken for him as it is.
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| theonlyfab4fan | Feb 24 2007, 10:59 PM Post #2277 |
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OMG. either how f*cking wise are you dottie, or good you are at narrowing this down to the lowest commom denomenator. Either way, I have decided you are the lowest common denomenator. You know what Dots, you are crazy like a fox! |
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| Dorfliedot | Feb 24 2007, 10:59 PM Post #2278 |
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No mistake, I tell you.. it's the truth..
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| Dorfliedot | Feb 24 2007, 11:00 PM Post #2279 |
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:lol: Thank you.. I love you too Betsy..
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| Deleted User | Feb 24 2007, 11:01 PM Post #2280 |
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No mistake I tell you I don't care. :lol:
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| theonlyfab4fan | Feb 24 2007, 11:02 PM Post #2281 |
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LMAO!! Sure you don`t. Only someone who does not give a sh*t would go to such lengths to convince us otherwise. We lovs ya hon!! |
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| Dorfliedot | Feb 24 2007, 11:03 PM Post #2282 |
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Yes you do..
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| Deleted User | Feb 24 2007, 11:10 PM Post #2283 |
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OMG ... no I really don't. :lol: I'm honestly this verbose in general, it's either a curse or an asset ... I'm not really sure of it. Some days are diamonds, some days are dust.
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| Deleted User | Feb 24 2007, 11:47 PM Post #2284 |
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Hi Bill I'm not going to start quoting stuff and answering stuff about Yoko. I'll just say that plenty of stuff has been dealt with about Yoko. And besides, if the macca board gets accusing editing/deleting everything, it isn't possible that any thread is left to fly under the radar and escape With regards to Heather I do want to say I think it's only common sense that an official site that still has Heathers site linked to it officially, (for whatever reason it's up to the board owners what they link to) uses extreme caution. I don't even see it as being unreasonable to ask. The press, namely the Sun newspaper has been looking at the site for stuff to print. I read the article they did print I can understand that as Paul has expressed a wish for his private life to remain private, and having his fans on his official site ripping her apart would make a tasty snippet for newspapers such as the Sun to make a story out of. I know it's a bummer though as I'd like to say plenty but I also know that as a member of the site I'm happy to abide by anything that the board owners have requested if it supports the poor bloke at this terrible time and actually it's not being asked to do anything that I didn't agreed to when I joined the place anyway. Thanks for what you've said Bill Apparently I don't treat everyone like an adult though. A member once made a complaint against me that I'd spoken to them like they were a child and that I had been rude. I certainly never would speak to anyone like that intentionally and having read back what I sent, I still didn't think I'd been rude, etc but I apologised anyway as I am aware that the written word is open to so many different interpretations and who am I to judge what others find offensive, etc. So I'm rapidly going from Golden child to Golden devil Dotty, or anyone else, I'm not ignoring you.... but I am going now. I do feel awful and it's a good job that I can't spread my germs on here
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| Dorfliedot | Feb 24 2007, 11:50 PM Post #2285 |
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Sarah, I was kidding with you. You should know that after all these years.
:lol: Sarah, you were and have always been nice to me.
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| Deleted User | Feb 24 2007, 11:56 PM Post #2286 |
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I don't mean to be picky here It wasn't over your name that I posted to Beatnut and I never said it was at the time. :hmm: Although you did let me know you thought it was that and I explained that to you then that it wasn't. I don't judge comments made to others as offensive unless they express offense at it, (unless it's blindingly obvious verbal abuse). I never have done. It's one of the things I have always firmly believed in in all the time I was moderating. |
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| theonlyfab4fan | Feb 25 2007, 12:18 AM Post #2287 |
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I understand what you are saying Sarah but the truth of the matter was that he knew my last name and the remark he made was in direct reference to that because he had already said it to me in a phone convo which you were not privvy to , so you made your judgement based on the obvious but I knew that he was coming from a different place. It wasn`t a condemnation on your judgement based on what you had to work with, but based on the inside knowledge that Mike and I shared that you were not privvy to led you to act in the manner that you did. AS was your job. But this was a direct case of people not having all the facts before they rushed to judgement. It was certainly not an earth shattering life changing event, but it does illustrate a certain point that all of us , including you have been trying to make. There are so very many sides to any issue, and I will be the first to say that you should be given credit where creidt is due because you have always been willing to allow a two way dialogue among the mods and the posters but even you know that not all do that. |
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| BlueMolly2009 | Feb 25 2007, 12:31 AM Post #2288 |
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sarah, PM for you.
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| Deleted User | Feb 25 2007, 12:34 AM Post #2289 |
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With respect Betsy, as I've just said, the reason for my mod post at that time on that thread was not about your name or anything to do with your name. I don't mind my judgement being questioned, but I do take offense at being told I was posting about something that I wasn't. I had posted a general mod post asking for the members to be watchful of the content. It wasn't made based on your name or even your post, but it was based on how the thread was progressing at that time. |
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| Dorfliedot | Feb 25 2007, 12:34 AM Post #2290 |
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I am for a fact still the famous avator queen.
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| theonlyfab4fan | Feb 25 2007, 12:41 AM Post #2291 |
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I am not explaining myself well here. I am trying to say that at the time when you made the mod edit in the thread I was operating on the knowledge of why he had said what he said. Knowing that you didn`t know that, so I wasn`t coming from a place of what he said was offensive to me. I thought to begin with that you were jumping in for my sake. My whole reason for Pming and explaining to you was that I wasn`t offended. You then explained to me why you had acted. My whole point which I made poorly was based on this very comedy of errors. I was thinking one thing you were thinking another. I am not trying to say that you thought anything other than your final explanation. I am trying to say until we spoke to each other we came from different places. |
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| BlueMolly2009 | Feb 25 2007, 12:41 AM Post #2292 |
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I know I said I held a grudge over a mod and certain people over there, but I think I have a valid reason. I did complain to the mods about the "disaster" that was going on, but for some reason mine and other complaints from others seemed to gone by with deaf ears. It just seemed to me that the troublemakers who caused problems seemed to get rewarded at times but those who complained seemed to have gotten warnings about causing trouble when we were just doing what we were told to do and take our problems to the mods. |
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| Dorfliedot | Feb 25 2007, 12:45 AM Post #2293 |
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I should complain more. I get more attention. wait, I do I am top poster on that thread.
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| theonlyfab4fan | Feb 25 2007, 12:46 AM Post #2294 |
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You big old grouch!! |
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| Dorfliedot | Feb 25 2007, 12:49 AM Post #2295 |
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I know. shame on me...
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| Deleted User | Feb 25 2007, 12:53 AM Post #2296 |
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Apologies Betsy, my mistake. I misunderstood what you was saying. I thought you was saying that my post was made having judged a play on your name as having been offensive. I'm glad that's cleared up and thanks for having to spell it out for me
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| BEATNUT | Feb 25 2007, 02:27 AM Post #2297 |
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I don't know. Why do people always think i'm talking about them? Unless of course some people just happen to see themselves.
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| Deleted User | Feb 25 2007, 02:44 AM Post #2298 |
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Oh that was so long ago I'm sure I must have covered both by now, I mean that question was posted several pages ago ....
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| theonlyfab4fan | Feb 25 2007, 05:39 AM Post #2299 |
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Aww hon, more than glad to clear things up. And I`m glad I have. Never meant for there to be a msunderstanding but sometimes I suppose it is unavoidable on messege boards. I guess the beauty in all of this is that we were able to keep talking in a civilized fashion so we could begin to understand each other. I have never for a moment thought you you ever acted with anything but fairness once you had all the facts. Sometimes it requires more than one side to have all the facts to make things equitable. |
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| Dorfliedot | Feb 25 2007, 05:48 AM Post #2300 |
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what I see in me. a very beautiful person which is me.
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just saw that pic... No, he never did.









. Can't remember exactly but I think it happened. Sometimes it seems like people get a little ungracious about things like that, I mean when behavior is exhibited that just sort of rings of some sort of sense of weird or unreasonable expectation ... you know, instead of being appreciative of something there are some that don't say "thank you" but are a little fixated upon the whole "can I have a little more." Isn't that a line from the tail end of something ...
Yes you do..

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